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Worst-case Playoff Scenario

Now that we've clinched our first playoff berth since 2003, I figure now is as good a time as any to throw my own playoff positioning analysis angle into the fanposts here.  It's like the opposite of blazer91's "Taking Care of Business" thread: what happens if everything goes wrong for the rest of the regular season?  What feasible possibilities are there?

To calculate this, I assume that the Blazers will finish the season 3-3 leaving us with a record of 51-31 (losses to Denver, LA and San Antonio).  Then I assumed that all of our other Western rivals win all games against everyone except one another.  I left those games as question marks to establish a range of possibility for each of our rivals in the homestretch.  This is what I got:

PDX:

@MEM W
@SA L
vs LAL L
@ LAC W
vs OKC W
vs DEN L

Record: 51-31

SA:

@ OKC W
vs PDX W
vs UTH ?
@ SAC W
@ GSW W
vs. NO ?

53-29 to 55-27

NO:

@ MIA W
vs. PHX W
@ DAL ?
vs. DAL ?
@ HOU ?
@ SA ?

49-33 to 53-29

HOU:

vs ORL W
@ SAC W
@ GSW W
vs NO ?
@ DAL ?

52-30 to 54-28

DAL:

vs. UTH ?
vs. NO ?
@ NO ?
vs. MIN W
vs. HOU ?

47-35 to 51-31

UTH:

@ DAL ?
@ SA ?
vs. GSW W
vs. LAC W
@ LAL W

50-32 to 52-30

DEN:

vs. OKC W
@ LAL W
vs SAC W
@ PDX W

56-26

If we do indeed finish 51-31, then ANY of the Western Conference contenders could pass us.  However, there is only ONE way that this is possible (hence it is incredibly unlikely):

Assuming Dallas wins ALL of its remaining games, they would finish 51-31 and beat us for the tiebreaker.  That means New Orleans takes two more losses to their maximum win number, having them finish 51-31 as well and also beating us in the tiebreaker.  Utah and Houston also take a hit, and Utah will also finish 51-31 as their maximum (and take the tiebreaker due to division record).  San Antonio finishes with their minimum win possibility at 53-29 and Houston finishes right behind at 52-30.

Worst-case scenario final standings:

LAL 64-18

DEN 56-26

SA 53-29

HOU 52-30

TIE: NO, DAL, UTH, POR at 51-31 (POR ends as 8 seed, someone else would have to sort out how the other ones would end up in this scenario)

That horribly complicated scenario would be the worst for us, because it is the ONLY possible way right now that we can end up with the 8th seed facing LA in the first round.  As fun as that would be, we would totally get creamed.  However, this is especially unlikely because in this scenario Denver would have the 2 seed locked up and would probably rest their starters for the final game against us.

In other words, if you don't want to see LA in the first round, ANYTHING that happens BESIDES the above scenario will keep us out of the 8th seed.  If we drop one of our "gimme" games to close out the season, it becomes much more feasible that we could end up with the 8th seed.

I hope that we all learned something from this exercise.  I think what I learned is that April 15 can't come quickly enough!!!!

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You have us losing to Denver...

but you have it listed as a road game. We are playing them at home. Does that change the outcome in your eyes?

by HeffBlazer on Apr 5, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

changed

I kept it as a loss, because it’s a worst case scenario. I think it’s pretty likely that we can go 4-2 to finish the season at least.

by kickbrass on Apr 6, 2009 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worst case playoff scenario averted tonight:

Portland 2 seed, Dallas 7 seed.

Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...

by timbo on Apr 5, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, would rather play LA than Dallas

Losing to LA would be a learning experience, losing to Dallas would be a set back

by diskord on Apr 5, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your fear of Dallas is idiotic

They are the worst team in the Western playoffs!

by jksnake99 on Apr 6, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They swept us

Two victories in Portland. If they are the worst team, what does that say about us?

http://saboner.mybrute.com

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta agree with Snake here.

I don’t think Dallas matches up against us as well as it seems. They got the better of us this regular season, but both home games were more of Blazers playing bad than Dallas playing great. They were both reasonably competitive despite that.

Blazers playing with playoff motivation and adrenaline >> Mavericks. Plus with the way Aldridge has been playing as of late, if he can keep that up and nullify Dirk about 70-80% and Outlaw/Rudy outplay Terry then I think we would really destroy them.

I would not mind Dallas in the first round.

by Bskey on Apr 6, 2009 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it says we played two of our worst home games of the season against them

don’t make judgments from 3 close games. The larger sample size (ie the whole season) says we are a much better team.

by jksnake99 on Apr 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I agree with ya...

…but matchups matter more than a team’s win loss record against the rest of the league.

I think we can beat Dallas and we just happened to beat ourselves in those games at home.

BUT, I mean, look no further than the infamous Warriors/Mavs upset. The Mavs won 67 games or so, one of the best season by anyone EVER, but could never play well against the Warriors during the regular season— a team that barely squeaked into it’s first playoffs in over a decade. There was just something about their style, whether it’s the swarming lil’ guys bothering Dirk, Nelly knowing how to counter most of his former player’s game, or whatever… it was a HORRIBLE matchup for Dallas.

If Dallas didn’t draw Golden State, they likely get to the WCF, and probably the Finals. They were built to beat the Spurs, and other good teams. Golden State was something they weren’t built to beat.

The overall regular season record didn’t matter, because they could never handle that team successfully.

Match ups and how you have played an individual team matters in the playoffs MUCH more then point differential and regular season record— except for how you did against that team during the regular season. And Dallas has certainly given us trouble, even though we have proven to be the better team overall.

I think we can beat them, so it isn’t a Golden State/Mavs situation (which is moot anyways since it’s nearly impossible we’d face them in the playoffs). But just because our regular season record and point differential on a whole outclasses them, the only thing that matters is how we do against THAT specific team.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 6, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that Golden State/Dallas thing wasn't as much about matchups as you think

Golden State was just absolutely on fire. That was a very scary team the whole 2nd half of the year. They were not a typical 8 seed.

Matchups are highly overrated. You are totally wrong in saying that matchups matter more than how good a team is (as indicated by point differential).

Data from big sample sizes trumps data from small sample sizes. Season point differentials trump any info from 3-4 game season series.

by jksnake99 on Apr 6, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck yes it changes the outcome (sorry to interject)

Turdman Birdman can’t feed off the creepy Denver energy when he’s in the Rose Garden.

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.

by Love on Apr 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Worst case playoff scenario

Houston 4 Portland 5

http://saboner.mybrute.com

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 5, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty much the summary

This game was just game 1 of that playoff series, as far I’m concerned.

by rmcdougall on Apr 5, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed - I really don't want Houston

I’d try my chances again with Dallas first, Utah, even LA.

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Apr 5, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not Dallas.

Another terrible matchup for us.

Give the man his "M"!!!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 5, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

I have no idea why there are so many people that think we match up well with Houston. I wouldn’t like that series even if we had homecourt.

Houston has our number. They can shut down our two main threats. They can minimize our contributors. They can get us in foul trouble. They our a bad matchup for us.

I’d prefer anyone over them and Dallas.

Give the man his "M"!!!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 5, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me agree

I hate us playing Houston like I hate listening to Clyde Drexler talk.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 6, 2009 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's up with

Drexler’s talking ?
Is it ironic or have I missed something ?

by Blenzer on Apr 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is the announcer for the Rockets

And to me it seems like he doesn’t do any research, know anything about his team or the Blazers (or any other team), and just rambles like an idiot, saying half truths or suddenly made up stuff about the players, the team, the game, etc.

He was always my favorite, so I’d rather remember him as the greatest Blazer, and not an idiotic announcer.

He was really bad…

It bummed me out.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 6, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beat the Spurs

And we can grab the 4 against their 5. If Houston wins the division, we’d then have the tie breaker over the Spurs.

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

would rather play SA, NO, or utah then LA, houston, dallas or denver

I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.

by DNP (CD) on Apr 5, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The sky isn't falling

Houston will probably win 52 games. If we take care of business, losing in SA, we’ll win 53 and get home court.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Apr 5, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would want to play

NO or Utah > SA, LA or Denver > Dallas or Houston

Houston just has too many people that match up well with our guys, especially once Carl Landry comes back

by KitIsh on Apr 5, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That looks about right

http://saboner.mybrute.com

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 5, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason I'd want to play Houston

is that they have that first round block still. But, let’s be honest, the last away game we’ve played against any of these teams, we’ve been embarrassed (can’t remember the Denver one, though).

I really don’t count that NO win since without that CP injury, we were probably set for a 25+ point loss.

by Royster on Apr 5, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First round block is out the window with Artest added and Mcgrady sitting

Artest is a tough matchup but it is the toughness he instills in his teammates that has ben the difference in the Houston team.

by FlyinSouth on Apr 6, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just T-Mac

Yao, Battier, Scola, Brooks, Chuck Hayes all haven’t been out of the first round. Maybe it’s not as pronounced as it was with T-Mac, but it’s still far more of an issue than with any other WC playoff team.

by Royster on Apr 6, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be a'feared

That we’d help Yao and Co. end that dubious streak.

I do not like how we look against them, and I’ve been whining about that possible matchup for months. MONTHS, I tell thee!

Great defenders taking Roy out of the game, no answer for Yao while Oden is not Oden yet, LMA doing better than ever but not likely consistent enough to compensate for Battier and Artest doubling Roy nonstop…

Ugh. Don’t wanna see Houston.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Apr 6, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

like I said, that’d be the ONLY reason I’d want to see Houston.

by Royster on Apr 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Denver wopped us but not Phoenix

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Apr 6, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does Phoenix have to do with anything?

They’re an afterthought at this point. Outside of the NO fluke, we’ve only had one game where we’ve been at all competitive against any of these 7 teams on the road in the last three months(Houston on the last trip), and even in that one we were down nearly 20 at one point.

blazerwizard is right below; any matchup with us as the 4 seed is infinitely preferable to any matchup with us as a lower seed.

by Royster on Apr 6, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to say Utah

it was late

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Apr 6, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

spot on.

Couldn’t agree more, in fact.

Give the man his "M"!!!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 6, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad summary

it absolutely baffles me when anyone says they want to see SA.

Quick stat for BEdgers:

  1. of times SA has failed to make it past the first round in a postseason that Duncan has played in: 0.

And it’s only been a decade so far.

by Royster on Apr 6, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to see SA or Houston

I’d rather play anyone else (other than the Lakers).

by jksnake99 on Apr 6, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, formatting

“1.” should be “#”

by Royster on Apr 6, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good

I want to see the Spurs to break that streak. We shall end the era of the Spurs by beginning our own.

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any scenario that leaves us 5 through 8 is now a "Worst Case" scenario

With only one fluke win for the entire year on the road against a Western Conference playoff team (the Hornets, who were clobbering us until Paul went down with a quarter to play) we have no track record whatsoever for winning a series without a home-court advantage. It will be a wing and a prayer unless we get to 4th seed. That will probably require a 4-2 or 5-1 record the rest of the way.

by blazerwizard on Apr 6, 2009 6:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

even at 5-1

we may not get the 4th seed. 4-2 will only get us there if we beat SA for the tiebreaker and they underperform to close out the regular season.

by kickbrass on Apr 6, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

5-1 with a win at SA yields a Very high probability of 4th or better

We’re even with Houston in the loss column and would be the same with a win at San Antonio; then we simply have to out-win either of the two the rest of the way; easier said than done, but doable.

by blazerwizard on Apr 6, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5-1 with a win at SA

means that we are even with SA int he loss column, but then we lose another one, so we are no longer even. Means SA has to lose twice more or lose once more and lose the division so the tiebreaker with Portland matters

Kermit on the inbounds play, inbounds....BATES at the horn, HE SCORES!! HE SCORES!!!! And they are all over Billy Ray Bates! My, oh my!!!

by blazer91 on Apr 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blah blah blah

They haven’t yet, doesn’t mean they can’t. OKC started 3-23, did they couldn’t win more than 10 or 11 games this year? Of course not.

Utah can’t win on the road against playoff teams… oh wait, they just beat NO by 14 didn’t they? Weird how that works.

Portland won’t go 0-3 or 0-4 on the road in a playoff series.

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utah also had the same problem the other year when they made the WCF

Couldn’t beat anyone on the road, but beat Houston in Houston in game 7.

Beat the Warriors in the Oracle.

It is troubling we haven’t done well at all on the road, but everything starts over in the playoffs.

Morty

by Mortimer on Apr 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strange...so did we.
Utah can’t win on the road against playoff teams… oh wait, they just beat NO by 14 didn’t they?

Both teams still can’t win on the road.

http://saboner.mybrute.com

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Did you actually just ignore a reality that occured last night?

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay

1. You don’t speak for everyone on this site
2. I didn’t even bring up our victory against CP3less NO.
3. Utah beating NO is NOTHING like us beating them. Chandler != CP3.

Let me try and spell this out.

You seem to think that Portland will go 0-infinity on the road in playoff games because of the regular season.

Utah was getting crap for not winning road games vs WC playoff teams.

Utah just crushed NO at NO, and unlike our win, they did it against CP3. Sure, Chandler was gone, but he doesn’t make up a 22 point difference in the first quarter.

In other words, a team that has had trouble on the road can come back and do better at a later date. For example, our 50 point turnaround against OKC.

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boston, a team that was 31-10 on the road, got swept on the road in two series last season

What makes you think the Blazers can win a road game?

http://saboner.mybrute.com

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 6, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you being serious?

By your logic, no team with a road record worse than 31-10 should ever win a road playoff game? Is that what you’re saying?

And you completely ignored my question. Are you gonna bet on Boston going 0-3 on the road in round 1 this year?

by Zaig on Apr 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making it is what counts! Didn't win yet on the road does not mean we won't.

Playoffs will be great! If we keep playing well it seems that we have a date with SA or Houston with us in 4th, 5th or 6th place. Who knows what will happen? If we don’t keep playing well of course the series will be that much tougher.

Even if we win at SA we probably are considered underdogs so I just hope the team keeps growing and hopefully we can pull out that first series and go from there… regardless we get closer to being contenders with each step from herein.

by QuebecBlzrFan on Apr 6, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

April 15th

“I think what I learned is that April 15 can’t come quickly enough!!!!”

. . unless you’re like me and haven’t finished your taxes yet.

by unblindloyalty on Apr 6, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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