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I agree the OKC is going to be good but,
that article is very biased. I like the comment that OKC’s big three has better chemistry than Portland’s. Or the comment that good playoff teams have a superstar and a point guard, and that Portland doesn’t have either.
I think OKC will be good, and could be very good if they draft well this year. They really need to pick up a good big man or 3 if they’re going to be better than Portland is though. You have to go back to the Bulls to find a team that did well without a good inside presence, and even they had one of the best defensive PFs in Rodman, and a decent center as well.
Blake Griffin could be that player for them
I don’t think he will be a superstar, but if he gets to the level of a Boozer that’s better than keeping Chandler.
of course it's biased!
The secret is out. Edge bloggers out-post and out-read everyone in the world! If you want your article to get a lot of online hits, write something controversial about the Blazers. The Blazers have been featured more and more on most sporting websites and I honestly don’t think this has to do entirely with their success on the court.
The article plays loose with the facts
there’s no point in comparing our “rebuilding records” to OKC’s before 2006/07, since we were rebuilding around Z-Bo and Miles before then. There are simply no parallels to be drawn between the two teams until that season, so basically the trajectories to compare should be starting with Brandon Roy’s career here, and Kevin Durant’s career there, which paints a much less rosy picture for them (admittedly KD’s age works in their favor).
But you’re looking instead at something like us: 32-50, 41-41, 47-27(so far)
them: 20-62, 21-53 (so far)
I do like how the article just completely neglects to mention last year for us, though.
What I find amazing is how Bucher completely ignores
how Roy makes his team mates so much better. As you point out with the record comparisons, it doesn’t look like Durant has that same effect on his team mates.
How bout how he says Roy isn’t a superstar player?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
To be fair
Only the NBA coaches seem to get that, which is why he’s been selected by THEM, not the fans, to the ASG two times in a row…
Proud member of Duck nation!
The media is catching up to how good and important Roy really is. Being the #3 or #4 guard in the West behind CP3 and Kobe is no shame
The fans will catch up too, even though Roy might be less fun to watch for a general audience.
Should Portland be able to win a Playoff series...
I think we’d start seeing a little more Roy coverage.
Kind of depends who they get in the ‘09 draft. If they get Griffin, I’d say a core of Griffin, Durant, Green, and Westbrook is pretty dang impressive.
too bad for them they aren't the worst team in the league this year
there are 5 teams with a worse record, so unless OKC wins the draft lottery from the sixth spot (sounds kind of familiar, huh), there’s no way Griffin falls that far, if he even drops at all!
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I like how at the end of the artical
Ric Bucher admits that he likes the Thunder’s future better than the Blazers just to be contrary because “everyone is on the Portland bandwagon.” That’s like how in High School even though I really liked a lot of Greenday’s music I would hate on them because the were “Trendy.” Way to take it back old school Ric. Nothing against KD, but to suggest that he’s a legit superstar and Brandon Roy is not, is ridiculous..
Good theory
Funny how the Thunder with two 2nd year players and a rookie as their core will have probably 21-25 wins this year. The Blazers, with two 2nd year players as their core – without their high draft pick rookie – put together 41 wins last year.
Durant is a monster player and he’ll be an all-star for years to come. Green and Westbrook are good, solid players now and will get better in the future. But unless the Thunder want to play GSW style for the rest of their careers, they’re going to need some help in the middle.
Presti has put the team potentially in a position to add to the team with cap space and draft picks, no doubt about that. Sure they ‘might’ get Griffin. But to say definitively that the Thunder have a brighter future than the Blazers? I’m not sure Bucher will get many ‘experts’ to agree with him on that.
My impression was that Bucher wanted to go against conventional wisdom
and in so doing, went against wisdom. – Elgin
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by 22baylor on Apr 3, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
What if they had decided to keep Chandler
would that have accelerated their future “brightness”
Presti will make them a force to be dealt with, it will take a dominant Oden and good coaching from Nate to beat them in playoff series in years to come
(Oh, and a better point guard than Blake, as well…hopefully Bayless will morph like Porter did in his second season)
Griffin might be able to do them more good than Chandler
Although that creates the follow-up question: What to do with Green. Their roster is far from balanced out.
If Bayless develops into a guard like Westbrook which is entirely possible, would Bucher still have the same opinion?
Banking on Griffin to:
a) land with the Thunder and b) pan out are two total unknowns.
We might as well be theorizing that the next great hyped center in high school will end up with Wade and LeBron on the Knicks.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 3, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the whole problem with Bucher’s argument.
He is basing this theory on all of these things happening, on being able to sign FA’s and getting good draft picks. Then he compares that to a team that is already doing really well in the Western Conf.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Roy is clearly a better player than Durant right now
Durant’s 4 years younger though, and he definitely has more upside. I agree its crazy to suggest that KD is a legit superstar (though he’s likely to become one) and Roy is not (when he’s already the 7th best player int he league).
Journalistic integrity
Since the Oklahoman newspaper (and newsok.com) is owned by Clay Bennetts’ wife’s family, you have to know they use selective quotes to push the positives of the Thunder.
The Thunder does (does? do?) have a bright future, but this article smacks of propaganda. I’ve read many articles about the Thunder this season on newsok, and I can’t remember any that weren’t “blow sunshine up the butts of the readers” type.
I can’t remember ANY that were critical of the Thunder, Bennett or anyone associate with the team and it’s “bright future”
What he fails to mention
Is that Durant would be so eager to leave the “Down Under” by the end of his rookie contract, that he would even sign with the Blazers for the mid-level exception to be Batum’s backup for a while if that’s what it took.
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- Mortimer
by Clevelander among roses on Apr 3, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions
both teams have very bright futures
To me, it really all depends on Oden. If Oden becomes a top 2-3 C in the league, I like our team better. If he’s just average, they’ve got a shot to be better in a couple years.
Portland will be a dominant franchise for the next five years (at least) even if Oden is only a top 5 or top 10 center.
At this point, OKC simply has potential, nothing more. I remember a few years ago when everyone was proclaiming the Bulls to be the team of the future.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Apr 3, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if Oden is just top 5 to 10, Portland will be an excellent team for the next 10 years
However, I don’t forsee us ever being “dominant.” I think we’d need some luck to win a title under that scenario.
You are definitely right that OKC just has potential at this point, whereas Portland has served notice that it is a team to be reckoned with… but with their young talent coupled with their stockpiled assets, it’s a TON of potential.
Even if Oden's not dominate
We dominate if:
Oden stays healthy enough and contributes as he has for 30+ mins per game and any one of the following happens:
Roy’s game continues to develop and he becomes a top-3 player in the league
or
LaMarcus steps up to become a Garnett like defensive presense to go with his offense
or
Batum becomes the next great defensive small-forward
or
Rudy develops into a Ginobli like presence off the bench
or
Trout develops into a Ginobli like presence off the bench
or
Bayless develops into a point-guard in the Parker mold
or
Rodriguez’s develops into a point-guard in the Nash mold
by boppitywop on Apr 3, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of the above.
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy+Bayless=Dynasty. Believe
Roy
Is already a top 6 or 7, which is really all you need, you don’t even need him to be a top 3 player.
LMA is on his way, if he plays like he has the past 15 or so games he is going be a real force,
Batum is playing such good defense already.
Rudy and Trout have shown good ability just need to be more consistent.
I think we just need a PG.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
the Rudy one is the only thing on that list that looks at all likely at this point
and that would help a lot, but not enough for us to dominate— maybe enough to win a title with some luck, but not enough to dominate. We need Oden.
if Bayless develops into "Monta Harris"
Monta on offense and Harris on defense, then Porltand will dominate
Did everyone suddenly forget how to spell "dominant"?
If Oden dominates, then the team will be dominant. Dominate is a verb, dominant is an adjective.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Nice Picture
I assume that was a foul on Oden for hitting Wilcox’s hand with his face.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Apr 3, 2009 8:04 AM PDT reply actions
Not Financially
Their owners have been bleeding money and couldn’t have picked a worse time to buy a team, lose money operating it, then pay to move and finally pay off an entire city to let them move.
Durant = Max deal after next season (unless he wiggles free)
Green’s contract will be up then too, and it will be interesting to see what he costs.
Odds are they’ll be like NOH, good starters but NO depth. In a couple years Paul Allen may be buying their pick, you just watch!
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
Like what I did there?
New Orleans depth = NO depth ;)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
Obviously most of us won't agree with this article
and I also agree that it really smacks of propaganda for Thunder fans, maybe to try and sell more season tickets or something.
One part that really made me think Rick hasn’t been paying much attention to Portland’s games was this,
"Kevin can dominate his position to command a double team to try and stop him," Bucher said. "As good as Brandon Roy is, there are certain matchups you don’t have to double him hard.
Maybe in his second year there were some players in the NBA who could guard Roy one on one, but this year that is not the case. Artest, Bowen, etc… have all been abused by Roy and needed help defensively. Right now Durant can be guarded by one lock down defender by a few top defenders in the league, but he is growing rapidly, and maybe as soon as next year that won’t be possible.
I didn't care for Bucher's take either
BRoy deserves more credit than to be dismissed offhandedly as someone who doesn’t need to be double teamed. The guy is having a great season and should be considered a top 10 player in the league. If you compare his advanced stats to K*be’s it’s hard to distinguish the two players. link
by trailblazersfan on Apr 3, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
NO TEAM should double B-Roy again, under any circumstances!!!
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Apr 3, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bucher must not believe in any of the newer hoops metrics
or he’s understand just how much of a superstar Roy is.
But no matter what Bucher says, opposing coaches KNOW Roy is a superstar.
I think it's pretty alright...
as long as you remember that cap space is the main reason he takes OKC over Portland.
Salary cap flexibility is the primary reason ESPN the Magazine writer Ric Bucher sides with Oklahoma City over Portland a few seasons from now.
Add a top pick and a max free agent and they just might be the best young team in the league. They already have three great defenders in Westbrook, Green, and Sefolosha. If they get a good defensive center then maybe it won’t matter that Durant is the worst defensive wing in the NBA.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions
If they get Blake Griffin then I'd agree that they might be the best young team in the league but otherwise...
the draft probably won’t help them that much, I don’t see them drafting Rubio and this years draft doesn’t have too many great players. Signing the wrong max free agent could also be a disaster. This offseason there aren’t too many guys worth going after and in 2010 there will be a lot more attractive destinations other than OKC.
by trailblazersfan on Apr 3, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Hasheem Thabeet?
Who couldn’t use a 7’3 giant who can run the floor and block shots? At the very least he will always be a defensive presence based purely on the fact that he’s huge and mobile.
If the Thunder get a top three pick and a good free agent I’m going to be worried.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Thabeet is an upgrade over Nenad Kristic
If Thabeet was in last years draft he wouldn’t have been picked in the lottery. I’m not convinced Thabeet is better than Javelle McGee or Roy Hibbert and he definitely is not as good as Brooke Lopez. Draft express has best case Samuel Dalembert and worst case as Desagna Diop.
by trailblazersfan on Apr 3, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I take that back I think Thabeet will be better than Krstic
by trailblazersfan on Apr 3, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
He's still 7'3.
And not exactly slow.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Thabeet is better offensively than Diop and better defensively than Dalembert.
No reason to think he won’t be serviceable, maybe even really good.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
The next Sam Dalembert
If they are unlucky, the next Kwame Brown. Good defender, but not an assertive player, bad hands. An upgrade over Kristic, but if they have the chance they should definitely go with Griffin and think about potentially moving Green for a center upgrade.
A 7'3 Kwame Brown would still be pretty darn effective.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
im not sold on the thunder or that article
buchers main point was salary cap space, but the blazers have the best owner with the deepest pockets. Also the thunder is fine now, but how much are they really willing to spend on durant and westbrook when its time for a payrise? and do they even want to stay in OKC?
the thunder have a dodgy ownership with a dubious history, plus we dont even know how much of that article was edited for local OKC fans.
Deep pockets alone won’t get you free agents. The Thunder can sign a max player, the Blazers can not.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
that is most definately true
but deep pockets give your team a chance to stay together longer, instead of losing important role players ala james posey
The Blazers are lightning
Thunder comes second
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by hobobob on Apr 3, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
...but what you lack in votes
you apparently make up for in Chicago politics-style influence!
by MiledAnimal on Apr 3, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bucher was on Courtside saying Broy is "the most under-rated super star in the NBA"
so he’s just playing to his audience
I want the Blazers to win a title...and help the children
I'd agree with you, but...
Bucher specifically states that Portland doesn’t have that Superstar level player yet. I can’t argue that Durrant will be a great player, but as of now his is not a Superstar. He scores points at an amazing clip, but he still hasn’t made an all-star game. Roy got there in his second year, and is now has had a repeat trip. I have no doubt that Durrant is there soon, likely next year; however any superstar in this league has made the ASG (regardless of whether ASG appearances actually go to the most deserving players in a given year).
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
Durant was the superstar of the all-star "Horse game"
he can win in any venue that doesn’t require defense.
As for best core, I’d take any bets that Sam Presti would trade Durant, Green, and Westbrook straight up for Roy, LMa and Oden. And I love Bucher’s hypothesis that you have to have an allstar PG. Two words: Derek Fisher.
It all depends if they can land a good free agent.
What happens if Utah doesn’t match their offer sheet for Milsap? I think we’ll pretty much know where OKC stands after next year. This summer is going to be huge.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
oh man, if millsap ends up in okc that would be huge!
he’ll get to foul out of almost every game in a different state!
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Would you trade
Roy and LMA for Westbrook, Durant and their draft pick?
If so you can agree with Bucher, if not (and i wouldn’t) then i don’t see how you can say the thunder have a bigger upside.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Here's the thing
Thunder coveted talent:
Westbrook
Durant
Green
Blazer coveted talent:
Roy
Oden
Aldridge
Przybilla
Rudy
Bayless
Webster
Outlaw
Batum
draft dejuan blair
The current draft is not so deep that they will get three assets out of it
One starter, one rotation player maybe. Then they still have cap space for one good free agent.
Aside from Durant
Those draft picks are the real things that could make them elite.
It also means “who knows” as to how good they could be (or bad), because no one knows how any of the draft picks will turn out (or where they’ll be, etc). It’s way early to be worried about the Thunder (not that you’re worried about them), since the players they DO have aren’t good enough to make us worry so we’re just talking about what ifs.
Of course, Durant could make a jump that is as relatively big as Roy has made, but their playing styles are different so I dunno if it’s feasible to suddenly expect Durant to be a passer. Just to get betterer at what he is good at. Other high scoring wings (McGrady, Kobe, Carter, etc) came in with much better playmaking ability, and even with their faults could create for others with their offense. Durant really has to develop that to help his teammates more if the ball is gonna be in his hands so much (and, it should be in his hands, since he can score so easily).
Their GM has set them up nicely where pretty much anything can happen, and they are in a position to strike if sumthin’ good comes up, either in free agency, trades, or obviously the draft. After all that, then maybe one can be worried about ’em. And, their GM seems like a smart guy, so he could be prepared to use those assets intelligently.
Durant is playing amazing offensively, Green has improved like he should, Westbrook is one of the best rookies, and it equals… not much. 20-sumthin’ wins. Something is missing, and I dunno who is in the draft (even if they get #1) that would really “fix” things.
The DEFINITELY got the pieces to make a move, the draft picks to get more high potential youth, and cap space. They’re set up to be a challenger in a few years… but it’ll take someone or something I’m not thinking of (or knowing about, more realistically) to catch up to our group of youth and our ability to keep everyone here.
I will happily be worried about them after all that, and they’ve gotten players to make us worry. We still gotta have an Oden who is Oden before I have enough worrying free time left to worry about some other team ;-)
Mortimer
Best players on title teams
(Same as I posted in other thread.)
In the last 30ish years, men at these positions were the best player on their titles team.
Center 4, PG 3, SG 2, PF 2, SF 1.
Second and third best players on their team.
SG 5, Center 4, SF 3, PG 2, PF 2.
PF 6, SG 4, SF 4, Center 3, PG 2.
So the best leaders in the NBA have been Centers. The best 2nd guys have been SGs, The best 3rd options have been Power Forwards. Interestingly enough, we have Oden/Roy/LMA. (Granted, Roy might be the leader on this team over Oden, even in a couple years.)
Overall, Centers and Shooting guards have been a top 3 player on a title team 11 times. Power forwards have been a top 3 10 times. Small forwards 8 and Point guards 7.
I’ll stick with what we got, thanks sir.
Bucher is a Kobe fanboy who survives by getting "leaks" planted by agents to further agendas
He isn’t a very good analyst, nor have any special expertise or past work we can point to and say “oh, he knows what he is talking about”.
He’s just a guy with a national stage who isn’t really anything more special than the average sports reporter— and the average sports reporter is an idiot.
Of COURSE Roy is a superstar now, and the only time he isn’t doubled is when Blake and LMA are hitting their jumpers. You put last year’s Roy on that OKC team, and they win more than 20+ games… he is a very special player whose worth goes beyond stats, and only now are the stats catching up to his overall impact on a game.
It stems from his versatile attack and PLAYMAKING ability. KD is an incredibly diverse scorer, but is still a main ballhandler who has more turnovers than assists. THAT (aside from defense) is what holds KD back from a Roy level of impact— his points almost exist in a vacuum, helping no one else on the team.
The best part for Bucher is that his prediction will take years to be proven dumb and by then everyone except for us losers will have forgotten it.
In short, we shouldn’t worry about a guy known for being a tool for agents and executives to get their message out to a national audience. He’s not where he is because he is smarter at NBA basketball than anyone else, so don’t worry about his own opinion.
Mortimer
I should add
OKC likely has a bright future, but it reeeeaaaaalllly depends on who they get in the next TWO drafts and KD becoming more than just a scorer.
And they aren’t the worst team anymore, so it isn’t really mathematically likely they’ll get the Beasley with a Good Attitude, Blake Griffin (and what to do with Green after that? He’s their PF of the future).
They shouldn’t suck for much longer, but it’s not as if Green and Durant have done much of anything yet. Hell, they could win a title in 5 years, what do I know— but there hasn’t been anything to suggest they’ll be anywhere close to a playoff team by Durant’s 4th year, except IFs. IF Durant becomes more than a scorer, IF Green and Westbrook develop into their eventual positions further, and the big IF, IF they get someone good in the next two drafts.
They could land someone in a trade, which is more likely than signing an impact free agent. Who wants their big contract to be in OKC?
I am not skeptical about the Thunder being a lot better than they are now someday soon, but they got a helluva lot more to do before they get a future as bright as ours. First, real playmakers. Then, better scoring. Next, inside play on both ends. Then, just like we do, they gotta figure out defense.
People said the same thing about us when we’d pimp our chances of being good sometime soon… “yuck yuck yuck I’ll wait for them to make the playoffs wocka wocka wocka”, etc. But we were a .500 team at that point, without their #1 pick center. To go from a 20-sumthin’ team to a .500 team is a big jump, one that took us getting a ROY to get to.
Mortimer
And if KD should opt to leave them in 2011 to play for [insert nicer market here], all else is academic
I agree with the rest. Griffin would be great for them (local boy, good talent), but that creates more roster imbalances with who plays PF or moving Durant back to shooting guard which is demonstrably not his position. Thabo was a nice addition, but is levels and levels below Roy. They got next to nothing out of Wilcox and Smith since their owners didn’t want to take the flyer on Chandler with his bigger contract and turf toe. Leaving them without a franchise center. And Bayless can be on just the same level of “good combo guard” as Westbrook in the future.
As for their assets, they are good but not that amazing:
- Enough cap space for one max. free agent and a bit more (about $38 million in committed salary), which might be their most valuable asset. But who is out there: Boozer? AI? Marion? Hedo makes no sense on a team with Durant and Green.
- Might trade Earl Watson if Livingston is healthy again
- 2009 first round draft pick from San Antonio (top 15 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 10 protected in 2010, top 5 protected in 2011, top 3 protected in 2012, and unprotected in the 2013 Draft).
- 2009 first round draft pick from Denver (top 20 protected in the 2009 Draft, top 15 protected in 2010, top 10 protected in 2011, top 5 protected in 2012, top 3 protected in 2013, top 1 protected in 2014 and unprotected in the 2015 Draft).
- 2010 first round draft pick from Phoenix
The OWE one 2009 first round pick to Chicago for the Sefolosha trade. Likely it will be the San Antonio one. The also owe their own 2009 second round pick to Denver.
I see them as a playoff team, but their question marks are bigger than ours.
You should write a book.
Seriously, I mean I’m glad your here, but how long would it take you to write a serious piece of literature? You should take a couple weeks off from Blazer edge and write a book, I’m sure it would be enjoyable. If you can make a thousand words on Bucher and OKC interesting then I’m sure you can make anything worth reading.
Go on now. Get to work.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 3, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really....WHO CARES!
Let’s take care of business tonight and then focus on beating out Denver and Utah for the division title. We’ll worry about 2013 when it rolls around.
Which team will dominate dominantly this decade?
I crunched the numbers in Excel… Ton of work… Required two Cray supercomputers to process the data… Numbers don’t lie… here’s the result:
by MiledAnimal on Apr 3, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
good ol' reliable factual data...
I love it.
the numbers don’t lie.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Apr 3, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If Durant is more dominant than Roy, not by much. There is no way Westbrook and Jeff Green
have the same impact as Greg Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge. Thunder will be a really good team down the road but they will always be getting dominated by Portland.
If that’s his opinion then that’s fine. Not everyone believes in the Blazers. It doesn’t really matter.
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