The Next Big Controversy
by Dave on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM PDT
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PrintThe NBA has announced that Orlando center Dwight Howard has been suspended for Game 6 versus the Sixers because of an elbow thrown in Game 5 which made contact with Philadelphia center Samuel Delambert above the shoulders.
You think the Blazers and Rockets have officiating/league beefs, wait until you see what happens if the Sixers win Game 6 and go on to take the series. Even though the rules are clear that this should be a suspension, there will be a firestorm.
This appears to show that the league doesn't entirely have a bias towards superstars, eh?
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I still don't think it's that big a controversy.
Just cause a big name throws an elbow, it’s still illegal if it’s that blatant……
Unless that big name is Karl Malone.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
It will be because the Magic can't hold a lead
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 29, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If anything it shows superstar bias
The rules are clear that if a player throws a elbow and contacts a players head he shall be ejected. Howard threw the elbow early in the game and went on to get 24 pts 24 rebs. If Howard were ejected as he should of been Phili would have had a great chance at winning game 5 and then they would have had a chance to close out the series in game 6. Sure Phili gets a Dwightless Magic team in game 6 but they have to face Dwight in Orlando in game 7. I am not really a believer in conspiracy theories but I do believe in the super star bias in NBA officiating. The thing about the super star bias is that it is subtle and you are not suppose to speak of it. Not suspending Dwight would be too blatant. But if the NBA ref had ejected Dwight like he should of that would of been way bigger than the 1 game suspension for the game in Phili…. just saying.
by Escrote on Apr 29, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's the cowardice of today's refs...
No referee wants it on their concience that they were the one who ejected a superstar and in doing so possibly changed an entire series. They call a piddly little technical foul to make it look like they are “doing their job” and then get the luxury of hiding behind the league officials who get to make the tough call over the phone from their desk, far away from the booing fans and local media scrutiny.
Maybe basketball just isn't your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.
Exactly
The fact that Howard did not get tossed initially is a bigger story than the fact that he now got suspended after the fact.
Without Howard’s 24 and 24, the Magic probably lose at home and face an elimination game on the road. As it is, they’re still firmly in control of the series, with game 7 at home, regardless of what happens in game six.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Shoulda slapped on on Rondo.
watching the replay it was pretty nasty
don't blame the refs!
by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 29, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree. Rondo's hit was just as bad, if not worse, than Howard's elbow.
They just didn’t wanna show up the refs for their missed call. Compounding the problem doesn’t seem to bother the NBA.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
wrong
Rondo’s was done during game play and while it should have been a Flagrant 1, it wasn’t a punch, or shot done with the sole intent of harming Miller.
Howard threw a hard elbow after gameplay ended.
Very different.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 29, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight Howard's elbow on Samuel Dalembert was much worse than Rajon Rondo's accidental ...
fishhook on Brad Miller. Howard deserved to be suspended, while Rondo rightfully earned a mulligan.
But no flagrant on Rondo?
with or without suspension, Rondo’s hit and the lack of response seems to set a bad precedent. He made ZERO attempt for the ball, or even the arm for that matter. So headshots are okay if you don’t swing and follow through. I dunno
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Rondo was 5+ feet from the ball
Not to mention the photo below which shows his hand partially closed (as it is embedded in the side of Miller’s face).
No way in Hades that was an attempt on the ball. Should have been a Flagrant 1 if not a Flagrant 2. Either way the Bulls should have gotten free throws (with a shooter of their choosing) + possession.
by DonkeyShins on Apr 30, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
which is, just like escrote's analysis of the dwight foul, another example of star bias.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Yes.
An elbow to the back of the head when the guy doesn’t have the ball is much worse.
When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla
by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 30, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Accidental?
Rondo sort of admitted after the game that he did it on purpose, as did Doc Rivers. There was absolutely no shot in a million years of getting anywhere close to the ball, so he hit the only thing he could reach – Miller’s head. The “fishhook” might’ve been accidental, but the shot to the head was intentional. Should’ve certainly been a flagrant, but the NBA didn’t change it because they didn’t want to face a protest from the Bulls and possibly have to replay the final 3 seconds of a playoff game.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I concur
It reminded me of the Ariza foul..
Travis Outlaw is Mr. Clutch
by two buck chuck on Apr 29, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Ariza's foul was much cleaner than either of these
It had a more dangerous outcome, but it was at least an attempted play on the ball. Neither Rondo nor Hoawrd made any play on the ball but rather on an opponent’s head. That’s why they are defined as flagrant fouls.
Ariza didn't attempt to make a play on the ball
That’s hogwash.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Needs to be change
Don’t really know why they would do this, but the NBA has to stop suspending people, I realize that what rondo did was pretty dirty, so was howard’s, but as a fan I hate seeing a series decided by suspension, its one thing to fine them without pay in the regular season, but the suspensions in the playoffs, going back to the suns spurs series, are too much. I think this is a huge mental blow to the maigc, they’re done
I don’t want to see a series decided by something like a suspension either. But you can’t disregard the rules that are in place for law and order on the court, not to mention player safety. The only way to keep things like this from escalating are to nip it in the bud, with an even consistent hand. That said, Rondo should have been hit with a flagrant foul, with review for a suspension as well.
I don't want to see
a series decided by an injury caused by a “hard” foul. I’d rather see suspensions now and maybe even a team lose a few games because of missing a Howard or a Rondo rather than watching a team struggle because one of their players is out of action because he was injured. Let the punishment fit the crime – if a player is injured by a hard foul (intentional or not), the one guilty of the foul has to miss the same amount of games as the injured player.
" I think Roy hit, like, 2,395 game-winners this season. He's every bit the clutch franchise player that the elite of the elite are." - Vincent Thomas, nba.com
Here's a suggestion
Institute a penalty box like in hockey. You elbow somebody in the jaw and your team plays 4 against 5 for the next five minutes. Now that would be entertaining.
Rules are rules.
The league can’t just change it’s policies just because a playoff series is at stake. If anything the suspension policy should have served as reason number one for Howard not to do something so stupid and needless. Hopefully it will be a great learning opportunity for him, his teammates and maybe the whole league. Unfortunate that it had to come at such a crucial time but the blame falls squarely on Howard, not the league.
Maybe basketball just isn't your game. I know, let's have a spelling contest.
Maybe Howard shouldn't be throwing 'bows
and you’d be able to watch him.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
they should have thrown him from the game
right then, instead of after the fact, poor officiating, big surprise.
"The refs have caused a bird-pig flu pandemic"
He should have been ejected immeditately following the foul,
which would have most likely resulted in a loss on their home floor… I think taking a loss in game 6 @ Philadelphia will be much easier on team moral. Orlando got off easy if you ask me.
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
I know it would be not PC to comment
But I wonder what Rudy y Los Euros think about the NBA refs vs Euro refs
by southern oregon on Apr 29, 2009 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
I'm almost certain they think NBA refs are infinitely better
aren’t euro refs legendary for being incredibly awful?
Alternative theory
It could also show that, when the chips are down, the league doesn’t really consider Howard to be a superstar.
Let’s see what happens if Kobe or LeBron are facing this situation.
Amare and Diaw got suspended for defending Nash.
All three of whom are bigger stars than Robert Horry was at the time.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
This.
Stern’s more of a stickler for the rules than anything else. Howard threw an elbow above the shoulders and there was no way he was gonna let it slide. This has nothing to do with superstar treatment in the games. Kobe and Lebron would have gotten the same exact treatment. Howard is still a superstar.
sidenote: I didn’t know he had it in him. He’s always smiling and joking around with that wide grin of his. Seems like the happiest guy in the NBA. Didn’t know he had a mean streak but I think the Orlando Magic are happy to see some competitive fire within their franchise player.
by OneTrickPony on Apr 29, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Stickler for the rules?
This is why Kobe can take 3-4 steps on a dunk or why Yao can set a moving pick every possession?
Like I said earlier
any superstar bias occurs in the game. Once the game is over and the NBA is reviewing film there is no longer superstar bias… that would be too blatant. If a ref gives a superstar the call in a game the NBA can always fall back on “well the refs are human and they missed that one”… when it comes to reviewing tape they don’t have that luxury.
I shoulda read the comments
I posted almost the same thing below
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I love you."
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by 92wastheyear on Apr 29, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If the refs can stop the game to review Tyson Chandler karate chop Joel's injured wrist,
when the refs on the court only took to look once both men squared up to fight, why can’t they stop and review a play with the ref actually the original infraction? A rule is a rule, and if they can uphold the rule after the game, they can do it during the game also.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
*need edit function. Let me fix this*
If the refs can stop the game to review Tyson Chandler karate chop Joel’s injured wrist,
when the refs on the court only turned to look once both men squared up to fight, why can’t they stop and review a play in which the ref actually witnessed the original infraction? A rule is a rule, and if they can uphold the rule after the game, they can do it during the game also.
Diet. Dr. Pepper.
It doesn't seem like the refs are so good at upholding the rules
for even one game. Consistency with the rule book from different crews over an entire series might be too much to ask for.
The replay shows Howard's foul is so egregious that the NBA had no choice.
They would have had zero credibility if they had let it go.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Howard had to be suspended, but why no flagrant on Rondo?
It was totally obvious that Rondo just flat out hit Miller in the mouth and the refs wussed out because it was in Boston. That clearly should have been a flagrant-Rondo made no attempt to make a play on the ball (couldn’t of, unless his arms were 3 feet longer). May not have changed the outcome of the game, but would have been the right call.
absolutely right
It had a pretty good chance of changing the outcome of the game, since Ben Gordonn would have shot the FTs. Also, it was really pretty reckless — could go as far as to say it was a Flagrant 2.
That's only if its a Flagrant 2, right?
You’re thinking that on a flagrant foul, Miller could have begged off shooting the FTs, and Del Negro could have Gordon shoot instead? I think that’s true for a Flagrant 2, but on a Flagrant 1, Rivers could have picked any stiff from the Bulls’ bench to shoot them in Miller couldn’t.
the other part of that though
is that the Bulls get the ball after the FTA. So even if they only make 1 of 2, they get the ball with a chance to win.
by DrivetheLane on Apr 30, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the 76ers still got jobbed
I mean, you’ve got to think they were favored to win Game 6 at home anyway. This makes that pretty certain, but now they’ve gotta steal one in Orlando with Howard (when they could have won game 5 without him). As to superstar reffing, the worrying thing to me is that the refs must have been so under Howard’s spell at the time of the incident, they couldn’t get it right, despite seeing the elbow. That doesn’t speak to highly of the refs’ judgment on the court.
by atomiccafe on Apr 29, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They should have suspended him for a home game.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Agreed
With how the rule is worded, the refs shouldn’t have had the option of not kicking Howard out of the game. Any elbow above the shoulders resulting in a technical or flagrant is an automatic ejection from that game. There would have been an even bigger uproar if the NBA had let him play in game 6. Philly should protest and try to get game 5 replayed from after the elbow was thrown, Shaq at ATL style. Without Howards monster 24-24 game, there is no way Orlando wins.
That's a little harsh I think
It should have just been called properly in the first place. Maybe there should be a ref in a booth overseeing and reviewing everything in real time NCAA football style.
Yet if it had been called correctly in the first place...
it could have effectively been a 2 game suspension. He should have been tossed immediately (still in the first quarter) and most likely still would have received a suspension. That’s not for certain, but somewhat likely. It was a clear blow to the head.
by antediluvian on Apr 30, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You call this controversy?
Suns fans laugh.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Whatever!!!! WHAT ABOUT RONDO!
I watched the Bulls/Celtics game & that was the most blatant Flagrant EVER! Of course they don’t suspend him, even though he whacked Brad Miller so hard, his teeth bit through his lip enough to require multiple stitches. You think the league would ever actually dole out a fair punishment to the “reigning” champs that would further push them towards a first round elimination against a team that – for the most part of the season – was a laughingstock?
Horse sh!t ! I love the Blazers, and I love basketball, but I can hardly watch the officiating / suspension dealing at all. At what point does Stern sack up and admit that it’s more orchestrated than Beethoven’s 9th Symphony.
"This appears to show that the league doesn't entirely have a bias towards superstars, eh?"
Or ….it shows that Dwight Howard isn’t as big of a star as he thinks he is
Substitute Flobe for D-How and does he get suspended? I don’t think so
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
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I think this was superstar treatment
It would have been better for Philly if Howard would have gotten kicked out of last game in Orlando, not suspended for the upcoming one at Philly. Think of it this way, if you could have chosen for Yao to not play either game 2 or game 3 of this series, you would have said game 3, as Portland would have been expected to win at home in game 2 either way, but with Yao not playing in game 3 the Blazers would have had an advantage on the road for game 3 also.
Do you think refereeing would improve
If they had each crew stay together throughout the season? That way they could get used to each other, know where each one will be watching, where the other refs will be, etc. NBA refs aren’t like those for baseball or football (to a certain extent) in that they aren’t always going to be in the same position for each play. There have been times where it seems like refs aren’t sure whose call it is, they’re making calls from obscured positions/anticipating/not even seeing the play, not trusting other refs to make a call, all of which I think could be improved if the refs knew the other refs better.
On a side note it really makes me angry when they make a mistake from these professional refs that you wouldn’t see in a high school game, like not keeping all the players in between them, only focusing on the ball, or a ref not watching the shooter until he hits the ground. There’s three refs on the court!!!! Call only what you see and trust the other refs to do their jobs properly.
Yes
The rotations of crews is ridiculous. It would be SO MUCH EASIER to track how good the refs are doing if the crews stayed consistent. They could also be trained to catch things that they missed too often.
-Crew A called 25% less travels than the second lowest Crew in the NBA, we should probably look into this.
This doesn't show lack of superstar bias.
Dwight Howard was allowed to finish the game, after all. He should be suspended for two games, and if his name was Samuel Dalembert, he would be.
Dave, about star bias
Ask yourself a question: do you think the league would have suspended Kobe or Lebron? The league is clearly geared towards the big match-up.
Even if Orlando looses, that just makes it easier for Cleveland to get to the finals. Orlando is a small market team. Suspending Howard makes the league look good with very low cost. I certainly don’t take this as evidence against the type of large market bias I hypothesized in my fanpost earlier today http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/29/858890/whistles-and-wins-cause-and-effect
by upper left corner on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
I wrote about that in yesterday's JD
I included a link to his “Blow Away Diet” too. :)
But enough about that, we’re getting waaaaay off topic. Too easy to do when talking about this though!
But I'll go back - no idea he died
that man saved me from ever considering an experiment with peroxide
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Howard made a huge mistake.
There is no controversy here. Watch the replay. Blatant elbow throw has always equaled suspension as far as I know (or expect).
this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"
The NBA isn't going to eject Howard and suspend him for a game
Philly should have to beat Orlando fair and square without any help from outside sources.
Yeah, let’s take a team that’s already without Nelson, has Lewis and Turkoglu hobbled, and suspend their big man for the final two games of the series. Why don’t you just give Philly the series?
The elbow wasn’t THAT vicious. If Howard wanted to hurt Dalembert, he easily could have.
Hello.
"This appears to show that the league doesn't entirely have a bias towards superstars, eh?"
I think the league favors big-markets like Philly and Houston…
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
What?
This is not a controversy whatsoever. This is an automatic suspension. There is absolutely zero chance of a firestorm.
The controversey will be that the refs should have thrown Howard out at the beginning of the game
Then again that means Garnet whould have been thrown out 4 or 5 times during the game in Portland earlier this year.
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions
Rondo mistakes Miller's albino head for a basketball
A closed fist as an added bonus.
“We felt Rondo was making a basketball play and going for the ball after a blown defensive assignment by the Celtics team,” Jackson said. “In terms of criteria we use to evaluate a flagrant foul penalty 1, generally we like to consider whether or not there was a wind-up, an appropriate level of impact, and a follow through. And on this foul, we did not see a wind-up, nor did he follow through, so for that reason we’re not going to upgrade this foul to a flagrant foul penalty 1. The initial play, in our mind, was on the ball — an effort to try and make an attempt on the ball and take a foul that would prohibit a game-tying basket.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4112697
Life is not by chance. Basketball is life.
No doubt
Here’s the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6JpEx_CqOc&feature=haxa_popt11us10
Rondo got all face. Not even close to making a play on the ball. Blazers and Rockets can gripe about calls one way or another, but there are a couple series where calls or no-calls will really be making a difference.
see how Miller's head is just rocked by Rondo's fist
Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus
It really is
Stu Jackson needed to say less. His play breakdown does nothing to illuminate their decision and only makes it seem like they are trying to convince everyone they are not seeing something that everyone can see.
Had spirited discussion on CelticsBlog today, running amongst the Bulls and Celtics fans. Got pretty cheeky. I wasn’t banned (feather in my cap)!
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely...
and it may have the consequence of re-introducing head-hunting on layups. The league just told the remaining teams in teh playoffs just how hard you can foul and just how far off the ball you can be, and still only have it be a 2 shot foul.
by antediluvian on Apr 30, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Intention to hit the ball does not exclude the possibility of a flagrant foul or suspension
Stu Jackson should study his own rules. And really, the chance that Rondo would be able to get to that ball were minimal.
Amazing that Wade was called for a flagrant last nite
defending break away dunk, when he got mostly ball. And was not called for one later when he undercut Al Horford from behind. The rules are out of wack
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 30, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
so bloodying a guys mouth
and causing him to receive stitches isn’t an “appropriate level of impact” to warrant a flagrant foul? And missing the ball by an arm length on a 6’10 guy’s arm is a play on the ball? yeah, that makes sense.
by DrivetheLane on Apr 30, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Wendell Maxey
“Love how conspiracy theories about NBA officials are the new black.”
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Brother Wendel!
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
by Maximus Blaze on Apr 30, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't know Samuel Dalembert
was from Haiti. You learn something new everyday!
I am just wondering why the AP thought it was necessary information to include in the picture caption.
I think it is info from the NBA - they alway mention foreign-born players birth country
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 29, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably tripled Haiti's gross income....
sad but probably true.
To everyone saying they hate seeing playoff series affected by things like this
Dwight could have just not elbowed someone in the head. But he did, and the rules have to be followed, it is his own stupid fault for doing it during the playoffs. You say you hate to see series decided by things like this, I personally hate to see the playoffs lead to different rules and regulations “because its more important”. The playoffs should make players more careful, not make refs and penalties more lenient.
- Sam
by RipCitySam on Apr 30, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I completely agree.
Rules are rules. I truly hope the Magic or anyone else doesn’t come out and start to complain about it if they do end up losing. You can’t blame anyone but yourself for not following the rules and instead deciding to elbow someone in the noggin. Just don’t do it and this wouldn’t even be an issue.
this is BS
this shouldn’t be a suspension. its a travesty.
ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGH!!!!!!!!- Sabonis getting fouled.
I love this
As a person whose second favorite team is the phoenix suns, watching the league continue with their letter-of-the-law enforcement is sweet (see Suns-Spurs ‘07 if you don’t know what I’m talking about). Dude broke the rule, and is getting his punishment; I’m all for it.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
I agree with upholding the rule, and from what I’ve read the reason he wasn’t ejected is because the refs missed the contact, which seems understandable given the position. I think the Howard situation is what it is.
I definitely disagree with Rondo not getting suspended. Switch the roles around and imagine if Brad did that to Rondo, people might be talking about MORE than a 1 game suspension. The only reason Rondo didn’t get a flagrant 2 is because Brad was big enough to absorb the blow. If the exact same play was committed on Rondo, he would have gone splat, and crumpled on the ground. Brad would have been ejected in a heartbeat. I guess the question is should the outcome, or the act, determine the call?
I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.
Philly is alot bigger market then Orlando
Just saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
His stare became blank. It was apparent he was back in that place, on the Rose Garden's logo, picking up Aaron Brooks as the crowd nervously roared.
I mentioned it above, but the Wade flagrant in last nite's game was interesting
he mostly blocks Evans’ dunk attempt. They crash afterward. To complain about consistency is beating a dead horse, but still…
All flagrants go to the league office for review, don’t they? Interesting to hear what Stu Jackson says about this one
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
lol... I love the letter you got.
I’ll bet someones full time job is to send the same generic letter in response to anyone that complains about the officiating. But the “NBA Cares”.
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