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"Kirk Hinrich: Played so well on both ends that I'm now moving him into that Jason Terry/Mo Williams "We got overpaid and teams were afraid to trade for us, and maybe we let it affect us a little, but we remained talented, and as soon as our situations turned a little and our teams improved, we made a comeback; now everyone feels absolutely stupid for not trading for us when they could have had us for 40 cents on the dollar" group. Hinrich makes $10 million this season and $26.5 million total over the next three. That's not a fair price? How could the Blazers not make a run at him when they're trotting out that hideous combo of Steve Blake and Sergio Rodriguez? This bugs me."

Ugh, Simmons' ignorance infuriates me.

Steve Blake's post season:
-averaging 11.4 points on 51% shooting (and 10-22 from beyond the arc)
-6.4 assists on 1.0 turnovers during this post season.

Kirk Hinrich's post season:
-averaging 12.2 on 51% shooting (10-21 from beyond the arc)
-2.2 assists on 1.2 turnovers.

The argument/difference maker here could be Steve's horrible defense. We all know Brooks had an extraordinary first game. However, when looking at games 2-5, Brooks' stat line looks like this:

-averaging 13 points on 39% shooting (6-17 from beyond the arc)
-4.2 assists on 1 turnover.

So really, how can Hinrich be the difference maker? Commiting more than $26M for comparable stats seems ridiculous.

6 months ago Christmas_tiny Arby 36 comments 2 recs  | 

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defense, that is all

Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin

by Zaron5551 on Apr 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This summer

do it

don't blame the refs!

by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 29, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Brooks is the worst PG in the Western playoffs

Against any other matchup, Steve’s D would be an issue.

by jksnake99 on Apr 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said it a million times:

Steve Blake should be on our team as the best backup PG in the league. He has the smarts, grittiness, toughness, discipline, and the experience (he’s been the starting pg on teams that have won a championship at the HS and NCAA level) to be an EXTREMELY valuable asset and leader off the bench. He just doesn’t have the lateral quickness, speed, and defensive instinct to LEAD a championship NBA team, in my opinion – of course.

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"

by bforsythe on Apr 29, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like to engage in absolutes

so I would never say never as far as Blake starting for a title team (ie if he was on MJ’s team…). However, for this team, upgrades are needed and defense at the PG position is a clear area where an upgrade could be used. I’m with you that Blake could be an excellent backup.

by jksnake99 on Apr 29, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arby dont be so pithy,

Captain Kirk is a much better all around player the Blake, especailly on D. Numbers also lie since Blake is our starting PG while Kirk is forced to play 2 Guard becasue of Rose, so its no surrpise Blakes numbers are better.

Should we have traded for Kirk, I dont know, maybe, depends on what we would have to give up since he does cost a lot more. I really think we could use his D and size in this series though. Maybe this offseason we go after him, but for some reason I would perfer Andre Miller.

by ggassen85 on Apr 29, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve Blake’s post season:
-averaging 11.4 points on 51% shooting (and 10-22 from beyond the arc)
-6.4 assists on 1.0 turnovers during this post season.

Kirk Hinrich’s post season:
-averaging 12.2 on 51% shooting (10-21 from beyond the arc)
-2.2 assists on 1.2 turnovers.

One player has Derrick Rose as a teammate – the other does not. Please discuss how this affects their numbers. – Elgin

Brandon Roy: Strengths-remarkably efficient player who appears to effortlessly score and facilitate. Weakness-he’s just a figment of your imagination. - Canis Hoopus

by 22baylor on May 1, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raw stats

don’t take into account Hinrich playing the 2 (lowering his assists) and the fact that he has played fantastic defense.

draft dejuan blair

Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."

Pelton: "Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does."

by Cablinasian on Apr 29, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, remember that in game one..

Brooks owned garbage time. I hope Brooks takes over that team. Too he’s playing against us. I don’t like rooting against “Home” guys.

Traaaviiiis Outlaw!=Leerooooy JENKINS of basketball.

by DaNoose on Apr 29, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No, he's way too expensive for what he's worth.

If we picked him up, he’d be our highest paid player with the exception of Steve Francis and Raef LaFrentz.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Apr 29, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If, by an act of god, or the spirits of Lewis and Clark, or even just by excellent Blazer basketball,

we make it into the second round of the Playoffs we are going to seriously wish we had a point guard who could play a lick of defense.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Apr 29, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you been watching the last few games?

Blake’s done a pretty solid job against Brooks. Look at his shooting after game 1.

by Benjamanic on Apr 30, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you watched the NBA this season?

Brooks is the easiest PG in the Western Conference to defend.

Blake gets smoked by 90% of the starting PGs in the NBA.

If you would like to make a legitimate argument that Blake is a good defender, I would love to hear it, but I am not going to give any credibility to an argument that playing Aaron Brooks well means a thing.

I heart taxes.

by everett on Apr 30, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Bill Simmons

Shut up.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Apr 29, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Bill Simmons, but he's right on the button here.

I’ts mind-boggling to me that some people still don’t seeem to understand what Kirk Hinrich would bring to the Portland Trail Blazers with regards to his marvelous perimeter defense.

My honest belief is that those of whom who’ve yet to grasp Hinrich’s greatness don’t pay a lot of attention to anything regarding the NBA that doesn’t specifically involve the Trail Blazers.

I, by the way, abhor those type of homeristic basketball fans with a passion.

by AK1984 on Apr 29, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Need to resign

BRoy, LMA, Greg, Rudy, Trout, Bayless, Batum, Blake in 2 years

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 29, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Will have Bird rights enabling us to go over the cap for:

BRoy, LMA, Greg, Rudy, Trout, Bayless, Batum. Blake not 100% sure, but at least early Bird to offer him MLE level money.

by Norsktroll on Apr 30, 2009 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich often plays SG on offense

because they have Rose playing 46 minutes a game. That explain the assist numbers.

by rmcdougall on Apr 29, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What exactly is your point?

Are you implying that because Blake scores 11.4 points as a PG and Hinrich scores 12.2 points as an SG, that Blake is the better scorer?

Hinrich scores his points in 11 fewer minutes.

by rmcdougall on Apr 29, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk Hinrich averages 13.5 points per 36 minutes, while Steve Blake averages 12.5 points per 36 ...

minutes; regardless, this debate isn’t even about offense — since both players are pretty much equal in that facet of the game — but rather defense. Oh, and by the way, the gap between Hinrich and Blake on defense is figuratively as large as the Grand Canyon.

by AK1984 on Apr 29, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I look forward to his entire column about the Blazers

It should be a sonnet about how Greg Oden “walks old.”

by robrun2 on Apr 29, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So sick of that dude

Hinrich is better than blake, on D, but blake’s 3 point shooting makes him perfect for our team. Hinrich gets payed way too much, and would mess up our cap structure. I like when national media talks about the blazers but I’m getting tired of Simmons, people from the northeast are whack

by StocktonNEP on Apr 29, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich shoots just about as well as Blake does.

draft dejuan blair

Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."

Pelton: "Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does."

by Cablinasian on Apr 29, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

Hinrich has about the same career 3pp as Blake. It’s actually higher in the playoffs. Not to mention the fact that Blake gets WIDE open looks all the time because teams concentrate on Roy so much. I doubt Hinrich is seeing the same sort of shots when he’s playing next to Gordon.

When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla

by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 30, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*s surrounding words causes bolding

And what is it you’re ignorant of?

by rmcdougall on Apr 29, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had you in my signature.

I love me some Hinrich.

draft dejuan blair

Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."

Pelton: "Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does."

by Cablinasian on Apr 29, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinrich=Defense machine

I love the way he can guard a sf (Paul Pierce)

Maybe I’m just saying this because I hate Paul Pierce and I love to see him get shut down by a smaller man. Hinrich is going to be a good pick up if we do get him this summer. :)

Less goo to ween de playofffs!!!! -Rudy Fernandez, BRally was amazing.

by J_Lee on Apr 29, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For once, I actually agree with Bill Simmons.

If Kirk Hinrich had been dealt to the Portland Trail Blazers, this team would’ve been a #2 seed and faced the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals this season.

Anybody who doesn’t grasp the immense boost that Hinrich would’ve brought the Trial Blazers defensively — while not missing a beat on offense with Steve Blake going to the bench — is a blinded homer wearing rose-colored glasses and/or someone who can’t recognize the importance of defense in the game of basketball.

by AK1984 on Apr 29, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like kirk hinrich this off season

but now Simmons said it, i dont know. He stole that idea from be

by svlittle on Apr 30, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And in principle he is right (in my opinion)

At the deadline it would have been somewhat of a risk to touch a running system and with Hinrich returning from ligament surgery in his hand not yet back at full power. So not changing horses was the safe way, not the bold one. But he would still fit well to this team.

The main critique is people don’t like his contract (like Simmons says in the somewhat overpaid but valuable category). The big question is: Which other point guard is available that would be an upgrade? Young promising guys like Sessions and Conley would be hard to get and will need time to adapt and grow. Anyone you consider a real “star” point guard is not available unless you break the bank. Veteran guys like Bibby (I don’t really like him) and Miller (I like him, but no outside shot so a bit difficult to play with Roy) also cost you $10 million per year and are older than Hinrich, who would fit our window well until Bayless or Sergio or whoever else has taken the next step. Also don’t forget that Blake’s contract ends in 2010 and he will want some money too, so then the difference between contracts isn’t that big anymore since Hinrich’s declines.

Hinrich essentially is Steve Blake in terms of character, passing, ball handling, free throw and outside shooting, only a year younger and with the athletic ability to defend 2 (3) positions. Imagine we had him in this series. He could check everyone short of Ron Artest. Put him on Battier to prevent so many open outside shots, or on Wafer, or on Brooks who he couldn’t completely shut down but contain.

Some people will say he is not enough of an upgrade over Blake. My question would be who is the better available upgrade. If we could have had him for Raef and change at the deadline like it once was rumored, that would have been great. Now in the off-season, I assume it would cost us Blake and maybe a resigned player and picks to make him available which is a steeper price. It’s still possible, since the Bulls want to not pay luxury tax and if possible re-sign Gordon. We will see what steps KP takes.

by Norsktroll on Apr 30, 2009 3:00 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

Spot on.

When I came here (in 2004), guys like Nick (Van Exel) and Damon, they were a breath of fresh air for me,'' Przybilla

by Nick Van Excellent on Apr 30, 2009 3:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

It would be a bad contract to take on without much of an upgrade, maybe not at all.

I hope Paul Allen learned his lesson about that sort of thing.

by Benjamanic on Apr 30, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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