Here's an open thread for today's NBA games.
by AK1984 on Apr 26, 2009 12:04 PM PDT
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PrintThe Boston Celtics @ Chicago Bulls game is getting testy right now, with the crowd chanting "bull****" -- which forced ABC to censor the auido for a moment -- after Brad Miller and Glen "Big Baby" Davis had a battle down in the paint.
This, folks, is playoff basketball!
Oh, and by the way, "Captain" Kirk Hinrich has been the man thus far for the Bulls in this fourth quarter, with three-point shooting, breakaway lay-ups on steals, and forcing Paul Pierce into a 24-second shot violation.
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yeah
such a fun game.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
Why do people keep saying the Bulls are young?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Hinrich is great defending everything from 1 to 3
Just asked Kevin Pelton if he can say something about him.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I wish we had gotten Rose
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
I still can't fathom that tons of folks here thought Jerryd Bayless would be better than Derrick Rose.
Of course, that’s just another form of what I call complete and utter ineptitude through blinded homerism.
I would like to see Bayless on the Clippers or Wolves and see what he can do.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
he'd be a 20 point per game player, no question.
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
by prezofdeath on Apr 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
13 for 15 from the line
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not very good right now,
but he would certainly be better with substantial playing time.
http://janean.mybrute.com/
by Screen Name on Apr 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to start a league pass streaming sucks chant
ABC games always seem to be the ones that don’t work well and look too unsharp in general.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I love
Derrick Rose.. is there anyway to get him next year? Lol. Rondo is playing well too… I wouldn’t mind having either one of them in our PG spot next year, with JB being 2nd string.
Less goo to ween de playofffs!!!! -Rudy Fernandez, BRally was amazing.
None. We missed out by one lotto number. On the other hand, KP would die of boredom and leave to the Wolves
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
One player I'm not sad we don't have is Noah
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
How about Hollins?
He has turned out into a Noah-ish player.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Hollins?
More athletic, but bad fundamentals. Might be an option.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I was asking how do you like him?
He has been a factor in the Spurs Mavs series. Kind of a surprise.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I like him, but he is rail thin and sometimes can pick up fouls in a hurry when he misses his rotation
I suppose the Blazers would rather be interested in Bass, but of course Hollins would be cheaper.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Yeah
I don’t like him, but he is fun to watch when going crazy like Noah does.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Rose reminds me of Broy lite
minus the turnovers
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
well people call B-Roy Lebron-lite
so is Rose Lebron-lite-lite?
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
by prezofdeath on Apr 26, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Because KP wanted Deng in a cheap package :)
But I really have good hopes for the summer. Package Blake and Frye (S&T) and give them back their #2 pick or something.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I'm cutting KP some slack re: the midseason deals
Until I see what’s up this Summer. It’s so hard to say if Chi was trying to lowball KP too.
It's such a big "if" though
It’s like people saying we could have had Devin Harris if we’d have given up Outlaw. There’s no real proof either way.
i'd say us having the four seed with 54 wins is an A no matter which way you look at it
and here’s hoping we score something big with our capspace we’re gonna’ get this offseason
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
by prezofdeath on Apr 26, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
its about opportunity
if Pritchard had the chance to make us title contenders this year, and didn’t, then I’m hard pressed to give him an A.
I'd rather keep Raef LaFrentz's bird rights, the mid-level exception, and the bi-annual ...
exception than renounce those things in order to get nothing more than a paltry amount of salary cap space.
Oh, and by the way, I'd use a package of Raef LaFrentz in a sign-and-trade combined with Jerryd ...
Bayless to intice the Chicago Bulls to part ways with Kirk Hinrich.
The quandry with signing-and-trading Channing Frye is that he’ll be a base-year compensation player in any such deal, which’ll make it extremely hard to complete the transaction under the NBA collective bargaining agreement rules.
Plus, if you tender Channing Frye his one-year qualifying offer rather than renounce the team’s rights to him, he might just sign the damn thing and screw over the team.
Jerryd Bayless will still be here next November
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I would almost say "book it" reading KP's latest interviews. Unless New Orleans goes bankrupt and offers CP3 or something of that magnitude
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Oh, I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if Jerryd Bayless is still around next season.
At the same time, though, my opinion of Kevin Pritchard is getting worse and worse by the day.
Y'know, AK, I don't think I've ever thanked you for taking all the pressure off me that accumulated when I was Supreme Grump of the Bedge...
…………………………………….. Now I’m Mr. Warm Fuzzy Llama Wool compared to some of your posts…
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
I like him too,
he’s fearless in his delivery, but open to reproof. Rare combo.
http://janean.mybrute.com/
Its true, Timbo
you’re becoming like a late career Ric Flair
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Brian Scalabrine the worst player to finish games in these playoffs?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Tony Allen
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate to say this
but Blake is in there for his poor play on Friday.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
oh my, the editing gods did you a favor
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Apr 26, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon
Gonna get a FAT payday.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
NICE!
Chicago playing U2’s where the streets have no name is awesome!!
such a good pump up for that situation.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
Wow Tyrus
Pass the freaking ball.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
I'm still glad we have LMA
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
ooooh!
cmon Bulls! DRose gotta clutch it up noW!
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
RAY ALLEN!!!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
That is why you pass the ball to a good free throw shooter
Ray Allen with the 3. Stupid Thomas.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Was he the best shooter standing around there? I doubt it
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
he prob should have passed to Rose (for ball handling) but their FT% is basically the same
I didn’t see Gordon coming to get the ball.
Blog A Bull loving TT
or so I would guess…
by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Rose. That's it.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
OT Baby!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
Man, the refs are letting them mug each other in this game
Not talking about the last possession, but the whole 4th q.
Good. Since I'm really not interested in watching Detroit - Cleveland
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
particularly given
how critical other games are today
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hahahaha
just what i was saying to my bro.
this game is fun entertaining and relevant.
Detroit – Cleveland is already decided.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
Yay, thats my bicycle ridin' time
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 26, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
KP2's brief Hinrich assessment
“Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does.”
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
yeah. he's full ginger.
he doesn’t have a soul.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
aww sick! gross!
we’ve all seen them on the playground. they creep us out.
I’m talking of course, about ginger kids.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
i was still making fun of gingers.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
Just realized that he is also starting to wear a headband. Who does he think he is, Birdman?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
The celtics whine on every call.
you’d think popovich was their coach.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
I thought our D is bad
Ray Allen is open wherever he goes.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
he's like 45 years old, how he's getting so open is beyond me
Hinrich is locking up Pierce and nobody can check Allen. Crazy.
Quickest release EVAH!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
IN AND OUT!
no basket for u pierce!
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
M Miller has hung in there w/5 PF's forever!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
Miller fouls out with a head hammer to Big Baby
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 26, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon just threw away 500k for his next contract
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
hahah
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
by prezofdeath on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
clear path
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this guys is even more similar to blake than we thought
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course that's a clear path foul. What else you moron, you were the last man
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I only have the box to look at...
is it true, in an OT game have the Bulls really only played 7 guys all game long?
I CANT BELIEVE THEY DONT PLAY TIM THOMAS
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither can Matt on Blogabull, but VDN never ceases to amaze
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
agreed.
wanting Kirk is part of being a diehard BEdger.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
A three-year, $26.5 million price tag is more than worth it for Kirk Hinrich.
Oh, and with regards to John Hollinger, he doesn’t know how to statistically evaulate defense.
for next years 29 year old Kirk Hinrich u bet your bottom dollar it is
don’t touch it with a ten foot pole
would you agree that D from the PG position is a major weakness for the Blazers?
would you agree that Hinrich is playing excellent D in this series?
i haven't watched heinrich much, but i know we need defense at the PG position, period.
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
havent seen hinrich guard Rondo,if he can shut Rondo down I'd be much more interested
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats pretty much what I'm saying...
I haven’t seen Hinrich shut down or even mildly contain the elite PG’s. He’s going to be 29 years old… just isn’t worth the investment for a 2 maybe 3 years tops return.
Bibby or Miller or Kidd or Nash also cost you 10 million.
Every vet does, and Kirk is a young vet.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
hollinger thinks hinrich to pdx isnt a good move as well
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I stupidly replied to two posts in one comment above here.
I, too, want to see a link about John Hollinger’s remarks apropos of Kirk Hinrich.
If that’s true, though, then my thought is that Hollinger’s doesn’t evaluate defense properly.
here you go
Zach (Vancouver, WA): John, would Kirk Hinrich be a good fit in Portland? It seems like he does every that Steve Blake does, but at a higher level, and is able to play off the ball in the fourth quarter, when Roy takes over.
SportsNation John Hollinger: Hinrich would be a nice fit, but I’m not sure there’s a lot of motivation to bring him in when Blake played nearly as well for half the money. If Portland does something at the point, it will be for a clear, obvious upgrade. Incidentally, I would think they’d keep Blake and use him as the backup, as he’d be perfect in that role.
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad Hollinger can't say who that mythical upgrade would be
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
John Hollinger doesn't know how to evaluate defense, pure and simple.
From this point forward, I don’t want anybody calling me strictly a stat guy.
can Hinrich shut down ultra-quick pgs like Tony Parker and Rondo?
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
nobody can shut those guys down 1v1
but Kirk would do a heck of a lot better than Blake, that’s for certain.
I don't how much better he will be on Parker, Rondo, Devin Harris or those lightning fast guys
He matches up really well with Pierce, and I think he would guard Kidd well, but those guys will give him trouble just as they give Blake trouble
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I strongly disagree
Hinrich would be a major upgrade even against those quick players.
What people are missing, though, is just how good a Hinrich/Blake platoon would be. We’d never have to watch Sergio and Rex’s brick-fests again.
If I was GM in Chicago, I would demand Blake in the package
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Then we have no deal
See how easy it can go nowhere :)
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I would probobly still do the deal even if he demanded Blake in return, incidentally
There are worse backup PGs than Sergio.
The sooner Sergio Rodriguez and Jerryd Bayless are booted ...
out of the Rose City the better for me.
One quick case study shows marginal differnce
If you don’t want to look the numbers don’t show a huge difference
I’m definitely not convinced HInrich will be a huge defensive upgrade on quick pgs.
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What I really like about Hinrichs defense over Blake is that he gives more versatility
Hinrich is big and strong enough to guard SGs, but I think quick pgs would still cause problems
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I see a fairly significant difference in Parker's FG%
Against Kirk, he’s shot a lower overall FG% despite an unsustainable .429 clip from beyond the arc whereas against Blake, he’s shooting a healthy .542 overall despite a mediocre .333 from beyond the arc.
That quick case study doesn’t change my opinion in the least.
No one can guard Tony Parker/Devin Harris one-on-one
It’s absolute BS to say one PG can stop some of these ultra-quick points in the league. Defense is a team concept, which requires upgrades at every position. I don’t know how Portland becomes a better defensive team with Blake at the point because Roy is not a good defender at all. If Roy was an above-average defender, it would be so much easier to mask Blake.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Roy can be fundamentally sound on defense
but he runs the offense and pretty much saves energy on the defensive end. It is what it is.
draft dejuan blair
Hinrich is quicker and more athletic than Blake. It's still likely not enough to shut down those 1:1
We would need at least Rubio for that, who gambles more on steals.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
with respect to that comment, my guess is that Hollinger is going by PER
In this case, PER does a nice job showing that they are near equals on offense, but epically fails to indicate Hinrich’s vast superiority on defense.
HAHA are you seeing him this series? His D on Pierce is flat out unreal.
He’s Steve Blake’s offense with elite defense.
we don't need a guy that can defend 2's and 3's...
we need a dude that can defend elitely athletic PG’s. 29 year old Kirk Hinrich just isn’t that guy.
Kirk Hinrich just forced Rajon Rondo into shooting a jump shot.
Hinrich can defend point guards as good as anyone else in the NBA.
norsktroll....please post a clutch/unclutch discussion post for kirk
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
yeah, that was so obvious...
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
by mannyfresh1 on Apr 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Ben Gordon will take a three
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
'nother 500k
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Big Baby is one of the most uncontrolled players
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
he will not be able to get out of bed after that
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to his credit, that look almost as bad as when rudy bit it
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
yep
only diff is he fell square, rudy was twisted up a bit
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Okay, put the 500k back on
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
wow
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YESSSS!!
Ben Gordon! cmon 2 OT!
i don’t wanna watch detroit!
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
That's my best guess at the moment too
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Sam Presti is too smart for that I think
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
BeeGee's tie Baby
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
NICE! Chi putting up the good music again!
they have some classics!
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
Ray Allen
Book it
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
OT !!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
That was not perfect D by Hinrich on Rondo, but good enough
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
me neither
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Rondo got a good look.
He should leave those shots to Pierce or Ray Allen.
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
Yeah, Steve Blake has certainly shown that ability
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I ment forcing a bad shot from the defense end,
not chucking up a bad shot on offense, which Blake will now be remembered for.
http://janean.mybrute.com/
It was sarcasm because that guy spends more time defending Blake
Than all of BaB spends on Tyrus Thomas (slight exaggeration).
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, fair enough...
…but somebody has to, else there would be no convo. So tell me, are you guys like TT yet, I’ve heard good things about him this year, and even want to say I was impressed when watching him play, but I can’t be to sure as a watch way more games then is good for me.
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Mike Breen jinxed it
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Cavs Pistons at Half Time yet?
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
Did you know both Gordon and Hinrich have more made threes than Jordan already?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
The GOAT was not exactly deadly from behind the line
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
And Rudy has more then all of them combined
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Kirk was wide freaking open
And had to watch Gordon jack up a bad shot while double teamed.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
I would bench gordon for about 30 seconds
he is not jordan
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5 PFs on Ragin'
Attrition Factor in play now.
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
that was sweet
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shoulda' ooped it
i guess we got the points, that’s all that matters!
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
however it looks like Boston eats a lot more….
by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 26, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
that's how you run a fast break
we need to learn that stuff
Or, perhaps, we could acquire the man who led it.
The day Kirk Hinrich is a Trail Blazer is the day I buy a jersey.
Chicago you suck at boxing out. But luck prevailed
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
sad but true
the griping about reffing in the last game made me leave the thread for the first time this season.
by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You are either a hardcore NBA fan or a clueless NBA fan if you watch that
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
because no matter what happens today
we all know it is a meaningless game
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When VDN is your coach, just take a win lol
by NateMcMillan's Suit on Apr 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
See Bulls
Passing is fun and it works.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
That's why he qualified his comment with the word "primarily," which is ...
the absolute truth. Derrick Rose is always a point guard, while Brandon Roy is most frequently used as a shooting guard.
Good point,
my bad. With Rose, Blake likely handles the rock much more then Kirk, regardless of the 4th quarter.
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The Portland Trail Blazers already have Brandon Roy.
Who cares which defender Kirk Hinrich would draw?
The important thing is who Hinrich would defend himself.
the two players are roughly equivalent on offense, with Kirk bringing slightly more to the table
Its on D where the vast difference becomes apparent.
On the season, here's Kirk Hinrich and Steve Blake's respective assist rates.
Blake (30.6) > Hinrich (26.6).
http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2009/jh_ALL_AST.htm
That, however, isn’t a big enough difference in assist rate to negate the inarguably gigantic gap between Hinrich and Blake on the defensive end.
agreed
wheres the contract gap come in… and the fact we’d be using assets on a 29 year guy that is losing his quicks?
If you want Portland to win a championship, it's more than worth it.
Besides, I just advocate signing-and-trading Raef LaFrentz — which is a way more financially sound move than renouncing the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions to get under the salary cap next season — in conjuction with Jerryd Bayless to acquire Kirk Hinrich.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/4/21/848330/game-five-tickets-go-on-sale#14551171
It’d be worth it, especially the part about using LaFrentz in a manner similar to how the Dallas Mavericks used Keith Van Horn to acquire Jason Kidd.
I like Hinrich more than Blake but I want to spend the money on a better move
something like Gerald Wallace comes to mind
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
thats not the part he's arguing
we had a chip that just vanished when Raef wasn’t traded.
In that case you have to convince me that 29 year old Kirk Hinrich can bring as much as say… 23 year old Brandon Bass or 21 year old Mike Conley Jr. Both great young players that could be have for what we have now, plus they fit our window… the whole window.
our window can start next year if we make the right moves
Conley would be a good get, but with Lowry no longer in Memphis and OJ Mayo better suited to the 2 position, I don’t think he’s available any longer.
I'd still rather have Kirk Hinrich than Mike Conley, Jr., ...
which is due to the wide gap defensively between them.
there is more to it than that
one is 8 years younger than the other, and would help lift GO’s game instantly. The younger one is better offensively, as he is much better penetrating and at the young age of 21 already has shot 41% over a full season from three. What might that become on this team? 45%? The sky is the limit. He’s also a decent defender that can stay with opposing point guards, something you can’t say for certain of Hinrich once he reaches that 30 year old threshold. The team was better with him on it defensively as he was the only starter with an even decent +/- #. Also, unlike Hinrich who had the benefit of coming in with the 2nd unit, Conley Jr played against starters in the Western Conference, of which the point guards are by far the best.
All of this is too late now, but I think its pretty clear why a person would want Mike Conley Jr over Kirk Hinrich, both in terms of salary and in terms of the long term view (GO and MC Jr would probably keep each other here on top of that which is an added bonus).
Raef LaFrentz can still be used in a sign-and-trade deal, so long as ...
the team doesn’t renounce his cap hold and lose the Bird rights to him.
Portland is terrific on offense, and will only get better
and has good defensive players in Oden and Batum for the future. All we need is a defensive point guard who hits the three. Hinrich is the kind of piece that would really help.
draft dejuan blair
Hienrich would be nice for sure,
I’ve watched him play, and he’s certainly an upgrade on defense, but to say that an upgrade at the point is “necessary” is forgetting that this team in it’s current incarnation, has never really shown us nothing but flashes of their potential. We are potentially a contender as is. Upgrades are simply that. I’m suspect of their value at this point as I don’t really know what this team is yet, still in the oven and all.
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almost all of our players have the capacity to prove
but Steve is 29 and doesn’t have good lateral agility. One of the easiest ways to improve the team would be to upgrade at the PG.
draft dejuan blair
I dont't disagree,
but I don’t think it would be necessary as others in this thread have inferred. But of course we can’t forget that Steve has shown marked improvement this year. Though with age comes degradation, but to assume as much is to invite the common and trite “assumption” saying that employers are so fond of now days, simply because he’s proven that he can still wrest improvement beyond expectations from his career. Obviously, he’s more likely to trend to the common then otherwise, and I’m fine with changing him out, I just real at the contention that a move for a new starting point is “necessary”
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I would love to see a backcourt of Hienrich and Blake,
I just think we have the luxury of having quite a bit of room for contention as is.
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Steve Blake is who he'll always be by this point.
An upgrade on defense is a necessity for the Portland Trail Blazers, for without it the ballclub won’t be championship contenders.
A part of the need for a first-rate defender in the backcourt is partially due to Brandon Roy being a subpar, oftentimes lax player on that end of the court.
With two poor defenders back there, Roy and Blake, the Trail Blazes will have that weakness constantly exposed by opponents.
That weakness also gets Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla into big foul trouble when Blake and Roy let opponents drive right by them, which causes major problems inside.
I would agree with you..
..if I believed that no further growth or improvement could or should be expected from our (snicker) Big Three, or from the team as a whole, but since I don’t, I don’t. I would expect YOU to be conscious of Potlands potential for improvement, specifically our young cornerstones when discussing anything as lofty as “future championships”.
I would have to suggest that Brandon still has room on the defensive to improve and widen his swath. Few of the greats started out as defensive monsters, and Roy is still young.
I’m really only playing Devils advocate insofar and Blake is concerned. I hold no expectations for further athletic improvement from his old ass, but he can of course attain a deeper grasp and expression of the various nuances of the game. Again, I don’t “expect” anything more from Blake, I just don’t think we can say that it can’t happen. Really that’s just a point of syntax. But…
Saying that Portland cannot be a real contender without some sort of defensive improvement form the point is simply… well… I can’t think of a nice way to put it… It’s a great idea, but calling it necessary would seem shortsighted to say the least.
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First and foremost, Greg Oden's development in the next ...
few years will be the main factor regarding whether or not the Portland Trail Blazers can become a title contender.
Beyond Oden, though, the next biggest things are LaMarcus Aldridge becoming a more efficient shooter — which I have my doubts about — Brandon Roy picking up his intensity on defense, and Kevin Pritchard bringing in role players who fill certain voids.
One of those massive voids currently is the team’s need for a defensive-minded point guard, which Kirk Hinrich would patch up in spades. The acquisition of Hinrich would kill two birds with one stone, too, for it’d allow Steve Blake to move to the bench and clean up the huge mess that is the ballclub’s backup point guard spot.
still don't like him
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Noah is pooped
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by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 26, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Rose needs to work on his left hand
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
he could'a passed right there
too much shake bake fadeaway
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Noah looks awesome against the Celtic midgets
Remember who he is playing against.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
exactly. he ain't goin up against true centers.
if he was up against KG, he’d make him look silly.
I miss Martell. Come back soon!
KG makes the whole league look silly
It’s not like Perkins/Davis are mopes. They are physical brutes who get away with a ton of dirty play. Noah is doing an incredible job considering how much weight he’s losing in that battle.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont think Oden would last to double OT with the horrendous officiating he gets
The NBA: Where Amazingly Bad Officiating Happens.
i don't like him
but i gotta give this to him, he fights hard out there
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Did anybody see when Houston played the Bulls?
It was embarrassing.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
I remember the Blazers playing the Bulls
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I wish we had the Bulls in the playoffs
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Noah can't block out, then gives up the AND1
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
The Bulls are a "young team" again. Someone do the math if the Celtics are really that much older with this rotation
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I always ask why people call the Bulls young?
Why do people keep saying the Bulls are young?
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Foul before the inbounds?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Why would Doc call the final timeout now?
They should have had their next offensive possession set, planning on a four point deficit.
I heart taxes.
that's why
well designed
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Nice replay of the picks at the end of regulation
Celts basically grabbing the Bulls and holding to get Allen free.
Wow
Lucky bounce for Pierce, and this might be heading towards triple OT…
It will for me by 6:30 PDT
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by Lizzy Lowblow on Apr 26, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, it was meant to be a knock on the NBA commissioner wanting the celtics to advance.
thus influencing the non-call on the obvious travel.
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JVG has run out of talking points
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what a game
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Timbo now would say "we could have had Miller and Salmons, and Casey is an idiot"
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Celtics still have home court.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
Doesn't seem very relevant in these playoffs
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Poll Question:
How long until the Travis apologists come crawling back to the Bedge?
Will they be here to defend him in the weeks leading up to the draft?
This playoff series has been a humbling experience for them, and I wonder what course of action they will take for the next couple of months.
We're all Blazer fans
Any “us” vs “them” is entirely fictional.
by Timmay! on Apr 26, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
The Outlaw Homers made it Us vs. Them when they responded to any bit of criticism with Outlaw with a “#25”.
That’s not arguing, that’s blind homerism.
It's pearls to swine when discussing Outlaws obvious atributes with an Outlaw "hater".
Impatience and self importance seem a theme amongst the the more ferocious anti-trouts. I highly suspect that even the smallest percentages of them would qualify to coach grade school lunch time basket ball.
This statement is a fine example
The Outlaw Homers made it Us vs. Them when they responded to any bit of criticism with Outlaw with a "#25".
That’s not arguing, that’s blind homerism.
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he jersey # is not an "obvious attribute"
Impatience? He’s been on our team for 6 years! I’m going to be dead by the time he finally develops. Get real.
He's 24 years old, and is not expected to be a superstar,
simply a role player. and for the role he has routinely preformed for us, he’s a bargain at that. I would be curious as to the price tag on the other 24 “6th” men Outlaw beat out in the voting for the award this year. Outlaw has showed continued growth in his tenure, all that can (IMO) rightly be expected of him, and comes equipt with all the necessary athletesism to sustain further growth.
When the majority of Outlaw posts consist of some variation of “OMGZ!!!11 OUTLAW SUZ SOOOOOO BAD!!!! I CANT BELEIVE HE MISST THAT SHOT< HE LOST US (”us" in particular is funny to me when carried in this context) THE GAME!!!! OH NOOEZ1111" there is not a lot of room for intelligible debate, hence the appearance of the now infamous #25 response you’ve grown so fond of.
Impatience alludes to the assumption that the Blazers should be killing the league, when if we step back, a one and done should make our eyes water with gratitude. That’s real.
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series isn't over yet, though its not hard to imagine that Outlaw may be playing for his Blazer future in these next couple games
Aldridge ought not to be getting a pass though, since he’s put up 2 dreadful efforts in 3 games.
true enough
luckily it’s only his 3rd year and his Game 2 performance was dominant. We only need to win 4 games in this series to advance— LMA can play crappy for 3 games and it won’t cost us (of course, he’s already used 2 of those).
I really don't think KP is actively looking to trade small forwards this offseason
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I don't think he's trying to trade for SFs
but if he could get a good backup PF or PG, I don’t think he’d hold too closely onto Travis…. especially if Martell rehabs nicely and looks good.
get off it
trout has won a lot of games for us these past two seasons…
whether or not pritchard keeps him i am more than satisfied with his contribution to this team
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not ready to judge that as we are still in it
this talk should be shelved until we see how it plays out. Here is how I view Trout so far in the series:
Game 1 no one played well.
Game 2 Trout still struggling with his normal good outside shot (as he has since his pinky dislocation), hit a clutch bucket in the last minutes to help secure the win.
Game 3 ubad performance all the around for trout, still not hitting outside shot, poor decisions down the stretch.
still up to 4 games left in this series, that is what our energy should be spent on right now, not tearing down the guys who got us to where we are at now…we will have plenty of time for that later if you are so inclined
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If the Travis Outlaw apologists are true Portland Trail Blazer fans, then they'll take his getting dealt ...
elsewhere — which I personally hope will happen this off-season — in stride.
I know you're a Hinrich homer, but what other PG would you take for Outlaw?
What did you think of the purported Outlaw for Mike Conley trade?
#25!
He’s wearing out colors, man
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by Honka Playboy on Apr 26, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
that is what happens when you don't have your best player along for the ride....
The Celts have to force things….
jksnake to AK1984 for the SLAM!
and the Hinrich mafia strikes again
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh My God, a call didnt go Lebrons way
I dont think ive ever seen that before
"Crab Dribble"
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Vote Bustabucket
http://petemarasmitch.com/2009/04/bhp-finals-vote-for-the-best-basketblog-header.html
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
ok, ok, i'm a fail at asking poll questions
i’ll never do it again
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I like watching LeBron play but I don't really like LeBron and I really dislike Detroit
I just want this series to be over so I’m cheering for Cleveland
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Something about LeBron’s persona puts me off. Incredible to watch but just can’t root for the guy.
His persona drives my wife nuts too
Everything from the “king” wristband to the chalk thing.
I think I’m one of the few people who have no strong feelings either way about him.
Yeah I knew it was bound to come to a crashing halt.
I was just hoping it would be later than sooner
meanwhile, Adam Jones continues to excel in Baltimore
Thankfully, at least Eric Bedard is healthy and pitching well now.
I think Tyrus Thomas has less BBIQ than Outlaw
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
Yeah, Tyrus Thomas actually has some value.
Travis Outlaw, on the other hand, is a detriment on both ends of the court.
Outlaw makes clutch shots
Don’t take that away from him.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
I still rather have Outlaw take those shots behind Roy.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
you really like kicking a guy when he is down don't you
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but that's fools gold
the playoffs require stellar play on both ends of the floor… when Outlaw shoots 2 for 11 and doesn’t know how to play defense, he’s going to cost you games.
that's what separates good teams from championship teams
we need to discard Travis and replace him with more consistent players and better defenders in the coming years
Yeah, thats probably true.
But its the playoffs right now. If Travis has a great game tonight you’ll be cheering his name and you’ll be happy he’s a Blazer, if only for that game.
KP will probably be replacing him sometime very soon, but nothing can be done about it now. Lets just hope he has a good game while he’s here. It doesnt seem to be of any use to continually insist upon the fact we need to “discard” Travis.
I hope Travis scores 25 points tonight!
If he does, we’ll probably win (and it won’t hurt his trade value either :)
Travis Outlaw has cost the team more games with his inefficient shooting and ...
abysmal defense than anything.
Then again, my ideal backup at power forward would be Jeff Foster, who’s a tough, hard-nosed stud with sound fundamentals at boxing out and the work ethic to play stout one-on-one interior defense.
your ideal backup power forward is suspiciously similar to a center
and would really look horrible next to Przy on the 2nd unit. REALLY REALLY horrible.
Well, I'd happily employ a banger like DeJuan Blair in that spot.
You and I can obviously compromise in that regard.
draft dejuan blair.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Apr 26, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I'm with you 100% on drafting DeJuan Blair.
By “compromise,” I meant it’s something we agree on here.
i know what you meant...
I heart Blair more than any college player I can remember. He’s the cats pajamas. Get him and Rubio at nearly any cost and I’ll be happy.
well, in Ak's defense
beyond lamarcus nobody we have plays post up from the power forward position…we need some more of that in a series like we are in now…
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Nah...he's more active...but I don't consider it better defense
They are both terrible.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
Tyrus Thomas is a mediocre man-to-man defender, but he's still outstanding on help defense.
Now, Thomas is nowhere near Marcus Camby, Chris “The Birdman” Andersen, or Andris Biedrins in that regard, but he puts Travis Outlaw to shame in that aspect of the game.
Regardless, I wouldn’t want Thomas on my favorite team; that’s due to his unrefined offense and less than stellar low-post defense in one-on-one matchups.
Due to Thomas' low BBIQ his defense suffers
Leaves his feet constantly, fouls jumpshooters, goaltends, and generally is out of position for rebounds.
Outlaw isn’t good either, but Tyrus is bad in different ways.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
He tries to do too much, but he's a net positive on defense APM wise
Him and Noah complement each other very well on defense.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I really, really like them defensively
but I’m not sure a team (non-Jordan era) can contend without a legit post presence at the 4 or 5.
draft dejuan blair
They really need Channing
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Channing for Hinrich.
Done deal.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
LOL. It would be more like Blake and Channing and a pick
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WHY HAS THIS NOT HAPPENED?!
draft dejuan blair
Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."
Mo Williams puts himself on the list of Five Clutch Shooters. ROFL
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I kind of like that confidence he has in himself
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
haha i loved that
i was surprised at who he put on there…paul pierce AND ray allen.
I wanna’ see Reggie Miller. Or how about Jerry west? Mr. Clutch, wasn’t he called?
epic fail.
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Note the absence of Kobe and LeBron
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Mo Williams' Fave 5 Clutch Shooters
Includes himself.. that’s a new level of egotism.
Can't blame you.
It seems people are using anything as an excuse to rehash the same arguments about Blake and Outlaw. Both positive and negative.
We’ve heard ‘em 20 times before. Nothing’s going to change anyone’s mind at this point.
the conversation should be about Aldridge and Roy not Blake and Outlaw
They are the team leaders while Blake and Outlaw are roll players
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree to some extent
but Portland’s success this season has been built on balanced scoring and team depth. When they decide to double team Roy and LMA and the role players can’t hit a shot, then Roy and LMA are going to have a tough time.
Portland has used it’s depth all season long. Now Outlaw has bowed out for playoffs and left Roy and LMA on their own. They can’t beat Houston by themselves (Game 2 being the exception). They need more help from Outlaw if they want to win 4 games here.
the Blake arguments are unfounded
He’s played a solid 3 games for us. Nothing spectacular, but nothing below his what we expect from him.
Travis, on the other has been terrible. If anything good can come from something bad, hopefully KP uses his playoff evaluation of Travis to finally decide to discard him.
I can’t to see KP work his draft day magic! It’s a great time to be a Blazers fan!
You express happiness
in a very bitter way
to finally decide to discard him.
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I'm trying to find a silver lining in Travis' crappy performance
I’m an unabashed optimist… forgive me for trying to look on the bright side.
would not have picked unabashed optimist
from reading your comments…I mean, you are spending a lot of energy why we have lost two games and very little how we can win 3 more…optimists tend to dwell on the positive and the future, pessismists tend to dwell on the negatives and tear people down…generally speaking anyways…
i posted this above, lost in the fast moving comments here:
Here is how I view Trout so far in the series:
Game 1 no one played well.
Game 2 Trout still struggling with his normal good outside shot (as he has since his pinky dislocation), hit a clutch bucket in the last minutes to help secure the win.
Game 3 ubad performance all the around for trout, still not hitting outside shot, poor decisions down the stretch.
For him to contribute today and in further games in the series, he needs to drive the hoop more and rely less on his jump shot….
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hahahahaha
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ESPN's new headline is "ReBull Yell". Huh?
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I saw that
a bit of a stretch
and now they are playing Bulls on Parade in the highlights,
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe if Chicago was in South Carolina it would be OK
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis Outlaw > John Salmons
I have watched every game in the Celtics v. Bulls series and it is pretty clear to me that I have a lot more faith and confidence in Travis Outlaws game over John Salmons. Both are primarily offensive players and decent scorers at the NBA level.
Travis has proved much much much better defense and a better ability to create his own shot, mainly due to his sick hops. I used to like the thought of Salmons coming to P-town in that SF role, but with Webster, Batum and Outlaw, I wouldn’t touch Salmons with a 10-foot pole.
by Portland Dynasty on Apr 26, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions
Salmons was playing a lot better before his groin injury
They both have the same problems with holding the ball too long. Salmons is a decent playmaker at the SF. I think his penetration and ball handling would help tremendously against Houston.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
Outlaw is a sieve on defense
He’s as bad as Nocioni in his constant ability to not do anything right on that end. Salmons is a decent defender, but incredibly, incredibly selfish on offense.
That Steve Nash is exactly the same as Kirk Hinrich, but worse.
by NBA Observer on Apr 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 26, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if ESPN can talk about how LeBron James is the best thing ever
for the whole second half, I think they can do it
LeBron will go down as one of the two greatest players in the history of the NBA
which one will probably be determined on if he can get an elusive title before he’s 26.
I just get so sick of having him shoved down my throat
and I’m a bit jealous I am not 6-8, 260 and the fastest guy on the court
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
In ESPN's defense
(did I just type that title)
I guess I did, in ESPN’s defense, if they don’t worship him and he equals or even surpasses the likes of Jordan and Oscar they might look a little silly…
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I remember watching a Cavs - Pistons game
a few years back where a ball got tipped into the backcourt on a detroit possession and james was calmly gliding down the court after the ball with 3 detroit players furiously running after him not closing the gap, James actually put some more distance between him and them, looking all casual like with his long stride…
I mean the detroit players were pounding hard to catch up and James looked effortless…
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Watching Kirk Heinrich... I like him even more...
Heinrich has shown a ton to me during this series against Boston because of his ability to match-up with SO MANY different players. Heinrich is a 6’4"-ish point guard by trade, but he is able to defend against the One’s, Two’s and Three’s in this league. He did a great job manning up on Paul Pierce, who is darn right crafty, and he did a solid job on his minutes against Rando, Allen and Allen. He was so sneaky when defending against a player on a curl and weaving through players and getting to the point of the pass.
I wouldn’t mind bringing in Heinrich to our club.
by Portland Dynasty on Apr 26, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
Ok
I’ve been tooting the Hinrich horn for months. Acquire Kirk Hinrich. He and Brandon would be an incredible combo… Steve would be a terrific backup…
acquire kirk hinrich.
draft dejuan blair
You might as well air your feelings on Outlaw while you're at it\
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
actually
I’m not a huge anti-Outlaw person.
draft dejuan blair
Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."
That would be a pretty perfect summer
Here is a problem: Bulls draft on 16. Unless their GM committee can’t decide who they want.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Haha soon enough everyone on this site will be brainwashed
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay Hinrich mafia tell me why we should get Hinrich over Gerald Wallace
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
Is Wallace available without giving up Nic?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I guess most people value Nic more than I do. I would've done that deal in a heartbeat
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to have a young backup for each "veteran" we acquire on any position
And I’m not convinced Martell is that one for us on the SF position. I too like Wallace, and would have given up Outlaw plus spares and pick for him.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
PG position is much more important than the SF position
Much easier to find a serviceable SF than a quality PG.
I fear for the day Paul Allen is no longer the owner of the Blazers.
He needs to reproduce soon so we have an heir in succession.
alright
it’s about the simple fact that Portland is a tremendous offensive team. Leading the league in offensive efficiency, we don’t need more scoring, obviously. We need perimeter defense, which both Wallace and Hinrich bring in spades.
Here’s the rub, though: we have room to grow defensively at the small forward position. Batum already harasses Kobe and Melo, and will add muscle. He’s quick enough to defend most anyone at the 3. Blake has lateral mobility issues that aren’t just going to get better. It makes sense to upgrade at the position that we have the least defensive potential.
draft dejuan blair
Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."
There's several reasons why acquiring Gerald Wallace isn't a practical proposition.
1. Wallace would probably come at the cost of Nicolas Batum.
2. Point guard is a harder position to fill than small forward.
3. Wallace is prone to injury.
4. Wallace probably wouldn’t mesh well within Nate McMillan’s offense.
5. Kirk Hinrich is a more versatile man-to-man defender than Wallace.
Norsk
thanks for the new signature.
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Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."
Here is another one, in case you missed it above
Kevin Pelton: " Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does."
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
ooh.
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Yao Ming: "Over time, [Oden] can even go beyond the Magic’s Howard."
Pelton: "Always love Hinrich’s D. Nobody on the Blazers (or most teams) gets into people like he does."
Where are the Outlaw homers (AnnTheFan, etc.) today?
I want to engage in a civil discussion with them…
I'm probably an Outlaw homer, but I'm also a realist about him (whatever that means)
by trailblazersfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He is what he is. Maybe one day he wins 6th man, but that's about his ceiling
Still, you can bet that a lot of teams would like to call KP and take him as their 6th man.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I think his ceiling is a little higher
He has developed really slowly through his years in the NBA but he has continually developed, so I am holding my breath that he develops into a solid defender.
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He always develops at the end of seasons. I think a problem is that he doesn't really add something over the offseason back home
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
you aren't a school teacher, you shouldn't just be taking the summer off
you are a professional athlete, pretty much every little boys dream
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know if it's more potent, he just takes that shot much more
He has about doubled his three attempts (+100) while keeping his percentages stable (-2%), but takes fewer twos (-100) year on year.
What I mean is, you don’t really think “wow Travis has really added new post moves” or “he really boxes out better” or something like that. The best guys do something like this, e.g. Kobe added new mid-range moves and LeBron added a focus on defense this year.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Something that I think Travis has improved over the season is his ball handling with his off-hand
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
His "occational" drive to the bucket is nice,
but even if it’s just outlaw making sure that he’s behind the line when he shoots, and people hated that last year, that’s still a marked improvement not to be swept aside.
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i'll be an outlaw homer
now why would you want to trade dear travis? i need reasons and i need a fair trade proposal
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
why would you want to trade dear travis?
I have no idea. There are no good reasons really…
Outlaw for Mike Conley? Oh wait, we let that one slip by us (the now we face Kyle Lowry from Memphis’ eventual trade).
Conley went like 0-11 last time we played them
including that key turnover at the end of the game
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, so now we have bayless, sergio, blake, and conley
and no backup SF/PF
now what?
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
Congratulations Nate, you have just become Don Nelson only with point guards instead of shooting guards :)
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Outlaw and Blake Sergio for Hinrich
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 26, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The most epically wrong trade suggestion still goes to Bill Simmons (Feb 2008!)
TRADE 1A: Portland trades Raef LaFrentz, LaMarcus Aldridge, the rights to Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a 2008 No. 1 (top-3 protected) to Memphis for Mike Conley Jr., Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and a 2008 No. 2.
…
Why Portland does it: I like Aldridge, but you have to admit that (A) he’s probably one of those 17-and-8 guys who won’t ever make an All-Star team, and (B) Oden makes him completely and totally expendable next season. Besides, you have to give up something to get something, right? With Fernandez, the Blazers would be selling high on a good prospect who hasn’t played against superior competition yet. Meanwhile, Mike Miller gives them an elite shooter and a second option at crunch time, and by reuniting Conley and Oden, they’d be set for the next 12 years. Imagine a foundation of Oden, Conley, Miller and Brandon Roy? Now THAT would be interesting. I love this trade for Portland.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20080220
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
To be clear: WE would have no Aldridge, Rudy, Bayless, $3 million in cash and Raef's cap space
Instead our starting PF would be Channing Frye or Brian Cardinal
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Yeah that's the best thing to paste when someone takes Bill seriously.
It’ll stop anyone in their tracks.
that's very ugly--
Of course, in Feb 08, Rudy hadn’t played a minute, LMA hadn’t moved up another gear and Channing looks better on paper.
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Rule #1, never listen to Simmons
He’s still bitter about not getting Oden…
Proud member of Duck nation!
maybe we'll see that this off season
but it would have sucked to pull that move before martell gets better…then you’d be stuck without a Batum backup all year
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
Cleveland's gonna have a nice rest before round 2
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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good point
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
you can't stop lebron james
heck, you can’t even hope to contain him! if you are not on his team, you are just completely and utterly hosed.
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
i wonder what it feels like to be a Piston fan right now
after years of dominating and having a shot at a championship to officially put a nail in the coffin in that team
with 2 minutes in Lebron is still killin 'em (nice turnaround at the top of the key...)
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Does any team have a chance of coming out the East over Cleveland? Orlando?
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
Not unless LBJ or someone else gets hurt
CLE is clearly #1 in the East. Although they are not the best road team, so if someone could steal one in CLE, you never know…
Proud member of Duck nation!
He is NOT going to let the Cavs lose
He is so much like Jordan in that way…
Proud member of Duck nation!
Last game as a Pistons player - likely
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Bird flu just got traded for swine flu
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
I'm still waiting for my mad cow disease. Was all the rage back when I lived in the UK
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Prognostication Contest
End of 1st quarter score
closest guess wins a point
Portland 22 Houston 28
another slow start
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahahahaha
http://twitpic.com/42eus Billups vs. Iverson. Wow that’s a mean graphic :)
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Iverson is injured...seems like a harsh dig on AI?
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
or he quit because he refused to come off the bench
by Peteyhasnohead on Apr 26, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I assumed they did the dig because Iverson could be playing
But Dumars sat his whining butt down and told him where to go.
He will tear up the Euroleague ;-)
Just kidding. I have no idea who will take him. Charlotte when Felton is gone?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
A few dark horses
- LA Clippers (of course)
- Golden State (Dave guessed that during the open thread)
- OKC (they have money and he draws people in… though maybe not in OK)
- NYC (use the mid-level and entertain the fans during the “lost season”)
Golden State would be mindblowing. You can never have too many shooting guards masquerading as point guards under Nelson :)
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
BOS could make it from a ring to the lottery in 2 years flat
If they keep Starberry and sign AI
by southern oregon on Apr 26, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither the Los Angeles Clippers nor the Oklahoma City Thunder make sense, while ...
the Golden State Warriors are already stockpiled to the hilt at guard with Monta Ellis, Jamal Crawford, Anthony Morrow, and Marco Belinelli. C.J. Watson is a restricted free-agent, too, although I fully expect him to re-sign with the Warriors.
Regardless of the Warriors insane amount of guards — as well as Stephen Jackson doing his best Paul Pressey imitation as the team’s point forward — I can still envision Don Nelson having team president Robert Rowell use the franchise’s first-round pick on Jeff Teague, who’s an undersized shooting guard in the Ellis mold.
If the Warriors took Teague with the 7th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, it’d be similar to how Al Davis took speedy, yet unskilled wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey with the 7th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. Heck, the parallels between the two Bay Area professional sports teams would be pure hilarity.
The New York Knicks should use its mid-level exception on him for one year, which'd be ...
a more saavy, fiscally prudent move than re-signing Nate Robinson. If the Knicks manage to somehow acquire Ricky Rubio, too, I’d enjoy watching those two clashing styles try to mesh with each other in a Mike D’Antoni backcourt special.
Sheed had a really bad last game for the Pistons
Rasheed Wallace was scoreless, missing all seven of his shots, in what was probably his last game with the Pistons unless they make a stunning move and re-sign him as a free agent. Wallace’s and Allen Iverson’s contracts will come off the Pistons’ books this summer, making them potentially a major player in the offseason.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Surprised? He showed up in name only.
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 26, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Just had an idea for a crazy new stat post. After the playoffs (or at least after the series) ;-)
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
Andre Miller posts up a lot for a point guard
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
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