Would Baron Davis have helped?
by homerandflanders on Apr 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT
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I hope this is a civil discussion, no need for insults.
I was very strongly in favor of trading Raef and Jerryd for Baron Davis early in the year. As the trade deadline loomed, we could probably have gotten BD for nothing more than Raef and a 1st round pick. Every time I made the suggestion, people were disgusted. I received nothing but negativity for the suggestion. I was laughed at, ridiculed, and told that I was smoking too much crack.
However, now the playoffs are here, and we are getting murdered at the PG position. I LOVE STEVE BLAKE. I root for him so hard. But he just can't cut it.
There is no way Baron Davis lets Aaron Brooks school him like that. Baron DAvis was the story in the NBA two years ago when he knocked off the Dallas MAvericks. The passion and intensity he played with were Jordanesque. He was fat, lazy and selfish this year. But there is no doubt in my mind that the opportunity of a deep playoff push would have motivated Baron to play out of his mind.
My question is, taking everything into consideration, BD's hefty contract, Darius Miles coming back on the books, the Blazers not having a single good expiring contract to trade this summer, and Aaron Brook's absolute anihalation of the Blazers in games 1 and 2, does anyone else regret NOT trading for Baron Davis back in February?
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BD sucks now.
and he’s a prima donna.
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.
by HurraKane212 on Apr 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BD to Blazers = short-term pain, long-term pain.
It puzzles me that anyone could think bringing-in BD or anyone like him would help the team, but these kinds of ideas keep popping-up like weeds in a rose garden.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis
Provides nothing that we need at the point position, and would not help in the slightest in this particular series.
by zaruga on Apr 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
um, no.
Before we drafted Brandon Roy, I was really hoping the Blazers would go after Davis.
I am soooo glad it didn’t happen now. He’s a great player and a fun guy to watch, but not a winner or a leader.
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice
"Let's go to win the playoffs!!!" -Rudy Fernandez
by koyote on Apr 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um cant say he is not a winner. At least they beat Dallas in the playoffs, and they were 8 and Dallas 1.
But how many leaders do you need on this team, if we have 1 like Roy?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Apr 23, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will give you this much:
BD is a better idea for Portland than Nate Robinson.
But I have a multitude of reasons why I wouldn’t want to see this happen, chief among them Baron’s bloated contract.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Apr 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis is my winner for Least Valuable Player this season.
Elton Brand is a close runner-up for the dishonorable award, although Davis gets the nod for his horrendous play the entire season with the Los Angeles Clippers. Without question, Davis’ craptastic play overall was a disgrace considering the huge contract he received this off-season.
Oh, and by the way, Mike Dunleavy, Sr. also earned dishonorable award, with his being the 2008-2009 NBA Worst Executive of the Year.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Tomas and McHale gone
Dunleavy had no competion whereas BD had Z-BO and along list of other over paid underacheving losers battling it out for the LVP
by southern oregon on Apr 23, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't quite a no contest battle, since Golden State Warriors President Robert Rowell did a ...
horrible job neutering Chris Mullin and letting Don Nelson run roughshod over the organization drunk with power and laziness. While Mullin isn’t the brightest basketball operations department head in all of the NBA, he still isn’t as out of it as Nelson.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis doesn't care anymore.
He is getting his big fat paycheck and that seems to be enough for him. It is too bad because he has a boatload of talent. All you need to do is look at some of his Youtube clips to see that. Plus he NEEDS run and gun offense to be effective and with Portland’s turtle pace, he just would not fit in. Nate is a hands on coach, not unlike Dunleavy which is why it isn’t working in LA (amongst other reasons).
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Mike Dunleavy, Sr. was fired and Donald Sterling hired me to replace him, then my first task would ...
be to dump Baron Davis at all costs. Even if all I could conjure up for Davis was a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves for the expiring contracts of Brian “The Janitor” Cardinal and Mark “Mad Dog” Madsen, my mind would be at ease with just having managed to cut bait with him. My second task after Sterling had already fired Dunleavy, Sr. the general manager would be for me to fire Dunleavy, Sr. the head coach.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 23, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd then deal Chris Kaman to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Earl Watson and Chucky Atkins ...
— whose contracts next season are expiring and a partially guaranteed, respectively — with Atkins being waived immediately after the trade.
During the 2009 NBA Draft, I’d hope to win the lottery be able to nab Blake Griffin with the 1st pick or Ricky Rubio with the 2nd pick. Yet, if it didn’t work out that way, then I’d settle with Jordan Hill in the 3 to 6 range.
Next, once the new fiscal year begins on 7/1/2009 and the moratorium is lifted the following week, my main objective would be to ship out that overpaid black hole in Zach Randolph. The Chicago Bulls — which could desperately use a low-post scoring threat to include in its frontline rotation of Joakim Noah, Brad Miller, and Tyrus Thomas — might be a possible destination for Randolph.
I, therefore, would offer John Paxson a trade of Randolph and a future first-round draft pick (via the Minnesota Timberwolves) — which is top-ten protected in 2010 and 2011, as well as unprotected come 2012 — for the Jerome James’ carcass and nomad Tim Thomas, who’ve both got expiring contracts.
Afterward, I’d look to hire a young rookie head coach — such as San Antonio Spurs lead assistant Mike Budenholzer — to take over the reigns for a team at the start of a massive rebuilding project.
by AK1984 on Apr 24, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Davis has some more in the tank, but he is a shoot first inefficient PG who shoots a low percentage
I loved watching him play in GS, but he’s not the kind of point guard we are looking for and when you consider his age/injury proned season and huge salary the move would be an extremely high risk move. Our style of play also doesn’t fit his game either, it would probably be a chemistry nightmare. If we go after a PG it will be someone who can distribute, shoot and play defense.
by trailblazersfan on Apr 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis was awful this season
Its an open question as to whether he would have cared/tried if he had been in Portland. A focused, in prime Davis would be awesome here, but that player doesn’t appear to exist any more.
by jksnake99 on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis is unstoppable
In 10 out of the 34 games he decides to play every year.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Apr 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<**laughing and ridiculing**>
this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"
by bforsythe on Apr 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, so what do we do about the PG position?
We have no tradable contracts (unless we trade Przybilla, but the city will riot if that happens).
Raef was the perfect trading chip. Now, its Jerryd or bust.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a good starting point guard?
by homerandflanders on Apr 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Sixers might possibly be willing to give up Andre Miller,
but I can’t imagine they wouldn’t demand some serious talent in return. Like Bayless, for example.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Apr 23, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a FA
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tradeable contracts
Raef (sign and trade – insta-expiring deal)
Travis
Sergio
Blake
Virtually everybody on the roster’s tradeable, it’s just a question of whether you WANT to trade them.
The deal I would love to see? Sign-and-trade Raef, Sergio, cap space, Travis, and/or Martel for Hinrich + Deng. Not sure how the numbers work out, but THAT would be a sick team next year:
Hinrich/Blake/Bayless
Roy/Rudy/
Deng/Nic/possibly Webster
LMA/Freeland (or rookie, preferrably Blair)
Oden/Przy
Probably too much money for the Blazers to take on, but that would be a championship contender, IMO. Deng and Hinrich couldn’t get it done as stars, but as role players, they’re GOLDEN.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if I want Hinrich for Outlaw.
Blazers Only have Roy, LMA, and Outlaw who can create their own shot. Blake shoots as good as Hinrich. Look if Outlaw steps up in this series with Rockets we can win the series. We saw how hard it is to win, even when Roy and LMA play out of their mind. But if Outlaw breaks out Rockets are done. I dont really know About Deng he is injured kind off.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Apr 23, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense defense defense
a Hinrich for Outlaw swap improves our D by leaps and bounds.
by jksnake99 on Apr 23, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do nothing because it's the smartest thing to do.
There’s no one out there who is a significant enough upgrade over Blake:
- Worth taking-on a big contract.
- Worth the loss of one of our potentially great young players.
- Worth sacrificing some wins next season while he and the team learn to play with each other.
- Who is actually available.
- Who won’t require at least two seasons to learn how to play point guard in the NBA.
- Who is worth the risk to team chemistry.
I wouldn’t be shocked if KP found someone, but I think we will see Blake, Sergio, and Jerryd again next season, and maybe for a long time.
by MiledAnimal on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Blazer scouts were asked about portland trading for Baron
I can;t find the story right now, but they basically laughed off the suggestion.
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.
by HurraKane212 on Apr 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember an article on ESPN even mentioned Tom Penn and KP saying it wouldn't work, since Baron needs to handle the ball a lot - and Roy too
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who do you constantly
dislike all the current Blazers? You think Oden was the wrong choice, Roy cant pass the ball, Bayless sucks, and you pulled I love Steve Blake, BUT, and dislike LMA and Travis as well.
The only posts you write on here are things that you dislike about the team and it seems to me that it is more trolling than anything else.
You just throw stuff out there and have no stats to back it up as well. Brooks is not going to hit 5-8 3pters every game, and over half of his points last game came in the last minute of the game after it was pretty much salted away.
You would want us to not have one of the best C prospects, and to have the Z-Bo of PGs, and to trade Joel to the Heat and LMA for Amare with little to no regard for chemistry and continuity of the team.
You must be Bob Whitsett cause you do not have a degree in chemistry, thank god that KP is in charge and not you as the team would be like an NBA Live 09 team, only that stuff does not work in real life.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
recced
I got 6 years of playoff blue balls going on, and I'm ready to release. GO BLAZERS. ~Mortimer
by Philthyanimal on Apr 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KAPOW!
rec
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 23, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, this series is tied 1-1
How about we see how it plays out before lamenting might have beens and didn’t dos?
I swear, it seems like our 5 year absense from the playoffs have left far too many Blazer fans unable to know how to act this time of year.
Guys and gals – there will be PLENTY of time to analyze the roster once our playoff run is done. How about we enjoy the ride while it lasts?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Agreed
Couldn’t help myself above, but let’s keep our eye on the ball.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Apr 23, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
not on the dancers.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Apr 24, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crazy talk!!!!
Crazy talk Doug!
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Apr 24, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
without reading the post
the answer is no
UDOKA!
by CLRNCE. on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Normally it annoys me when people comment without reading a post
But in this case it is 100% justified.
by Zaig on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post was just a joke. (You weren’t supposed to take it seriously)
Goodbye Deke. The NBA will miss Mt. Mutombo.
by prezofdeath on Apr 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baron would not have helped
Baron is not team-oriented, pounds the rock which would force Roy to change his game completely, is not a good fit in the locker room.
No thanks Baron – good luck with those Clippers, dude. I hope it works out better for you than it did for me. – Elgin
Tonight felt like the day you open the mail and receive an acceptance letter to your dream school: the University of Playoffs. - Ben Golliver, Apr 15 2009
by 22baylor on Apr 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he a shut down defender?
Well then, no.
by BlazerBen on Apr 23, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BD just seems like one of those guys whose stats are padded beyond their actual value to the team
Somehow it’s appropriate that BD and Zach are on the same team. There should always be one team that accumulates all the overinflated egos. I wish guys like Kenyon Martin and Tyrus Thomas would end up on the Clippers too.
The only good things happening on Wall Street are the dogs that piss on it daily.
by vavoom on Apr 23, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Apr 23, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gong.
I was very strongly in favor of trading Raef and Jerryd for Baron Davis early in the year.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Apr 23, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The guy who left golden state
for the clippers?
No thanks. I prefer players that rise and cREATE the occasion, not ones that feel they have to go find it.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Apr 24, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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