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Sophia will be here to kick some people in 5...4....3...
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
You called it.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have my sources
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
strait offensive
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is that offensive?
I’m confused
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a blog that is supposedly about the trail blazers is featuring updates on the slutty outfits of the blazerdancers
and the blazerdancers are nothing but sexy bodies put on display for a man’s enjoyment.
that is offensive.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue
that the Portland Trail-Blazers as a team are for our enjoyment as well. Also they’re not wearing much more than the Blazer dancers. We’re seeing bodies of both genders that are on the most “fit” end of the spectrum you can get.
However, I see your point. I was particularly annoyed by the dancer’s decision to wear strips of the flag at our playoff game on Tuesday night. Sure, step up your game for the playoffs, but keep it centered around our team or it is even more pointless as you are suggesting.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK my only argument on this...
This:

Is a lot more covering than this:

RE:
Also they’re not wearing much more than the Blazer dancers. Yeah right.
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by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
Nice pic!
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They stole my pose
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They look like they are made of wax.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh please, only half of the blazer dancers are "fit"
maybe I have higher standards for professional dancers but this is just my opinion.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
by your point here. Are you suggesting that these ladies are actually a more realistic model of women than I was?
Your reply seems to strength my point, but your tone seems to disagree with it. I’m unsure of what you’re trying to get at.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said that they were on the most "fit" end of the spectrum
and I was disagreeing with you.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
But couldn’t that mean that the portrayal of men we see during Blazer games (players) may be less realistic of actual men, then the portrayal of women we see dancing?
That seems to strengthen my point and suggest that it happens with both genders at Blazer games.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't disagreeing with you about the players.
I agree that most men are not that tall or that muscular. I was just saying that for dancers, the blazer dancers would be considered even fat if they walked into my ballet studio. No joke.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my experience playing pit orchestra for ballet
ballet dancers are often dangerously skinny.
dangerously skinny =/= fit….
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
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by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe my brain thinks that dangerously skinny
is fit. But ballet dancers just have longer and leaner muscles than other kinds of dancers because of the way we are trained to use them.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mhm, endurance athletes are good ballet dancers? That doesn't sound right
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more myself to be honest.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 23, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's offensive
Most of them have spent half a lifetime+ to be able to dance at that level to be called “nothing but sexy bodies put on display for a man’s enjoyment.”
The Blazerdancers are part of the organization and have a place at this forum…..so do their new outfits….woo hoo!
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't call what they do
“Dancing” or say that it is a high level of talent. Please.
I’m sorry, but I could do everything they do on the floor.
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by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That asinine comment would be like me walking up to Rudy Fernandez and claiming I ...
could beat him in a game of one-on-one to twenty-one points. It’d be an epic fail, without a doubt.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You?
You saying that something someone says is “asinine”?
I just seriously LOL’d.
The stunt team cheerleaders? No way could I do that. The shaking of hips moves the “dancers” do? Anyone could do that.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Having seen a whole bunch of pretty awful halftime dancers (some of whom were high school aged and apparently won national competitions), I think that the Blazer Dancers are actually reasonably talented dancers. I don’t love the idea of scantily clad women at all sports events, but I can’t really say I hate the Blazer Dancers either.
by Section323 on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Those halftime and pre game dances are awful, mainly because of the music they play with it.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I might've been a bit hasty there in my assumption. Still, I wouldn't bet ...
even a single penny on either you outperforming a Blazer dance team member or me scoring one point against Rudy Fernandez in a pickup game.
I, however, bet that Mike Miller would school Fernandez in a one-on-one matchup.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deal.
I couldn’t do everything they do, but again, I wouldn’t want to wear those outfits and shake my ass in front of 20,000 people.
I would however challenge Rudy to one-on-one. Just to hang out with him of course :)
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at you challenging Rudy
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on not wanting to wear those outfits or shake my ass, ...
although I’m also sure that most people wouldn’t want to see me do that.
A 6’4" tall, thin white guy who looks like a skater/stoner/grunge hybrid won’t appeal to too many people. Even with my long hair, I certainly can’t compete.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would love to post him up wouldnt you?
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 23, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller would get TOASTED
Miller’s not nearly quick enough or talented enough to match up one on one with Rudy. His only chance would be backing Rudy down in the post and trying to use his strength advantage. Rudy’s faster, quicker, has a quicker release, and may literally jump three times as high.
Your boy would be humiliated.
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by KP Corleone on Apr 24, 2009 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Miller, however, would be body up Rudy Fernandez on defense in ...
light of his sizable strength advantage, which’d force Fernandez into taking bad jump shots. Miller would use his height and strength advantage to his benefit on offense, too, since he’d dribble over to the corner three-point line, start to back the weaker Fernandez down along the baseline, and spin by him about 12 feet away from the basket and drive in for an easy lay-up.
by AK1984 on Apr 24, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to step in here as an expert on dancing.
What they do is nothing more than flipping their hair around and shaking their butts. Any person can do that. It takes absolutely NO TALENT whatsoever. I doubt those girls ever get blisters on their feet from dancing all day or dance with tendonitis. I don’t think they really fit in the dance world at all. In fact I know they don’t. Technically they are cheerleaders.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
many of the Blazer dancers are dance instructors suring the day. It seems like this is very harsh and undeserved criticism. Maybe what they do at Blazer games is “low end dancing,” but I would bet they are very practiced and indeed talented.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, maybe the jazz vs ballet war is what's on my mind.
Ballet dancers cannot stand jazz dancers (which is kind of what the blazer dancers are).
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand the Jazz players either :)
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Utah sucks.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is
what they do is not ‘dancing’. They are uber sexy routines… that is meant to be .. well sexy.
Regardless of their day job, the blazer dancers, when performing at the rose garden, aren’t dancing.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES. That is what I am trying to say.
Count the times in a blazer dancers routine where the flip their hair compared to the times where they do a pirouette (turn). Its a very unbalanced ratio.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh by the way claire
ballet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jazz dancing…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sophia knows what's up.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What market is there for ballet in contemporary American society?
That’s not a knock on the intrinsic talent and honed skills needed to be an amazing performer in the field of ballet, but rather how much money is their to be made in the profession.
I know that may seem like a harsh way to view ballet, but it’s a pragmatic stance nonetheless.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are evidently several things you dont know
anything about.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm asking the question.
How much money is there to be made in ballet nowadays?
It’s a simple, direct question. I’m sincerely curious to find out the answer to it, too, although my assumption is next to nil like most performing arts that don’t garner a wide audience.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well im saying it
has a very distinct and certain niche in our society.. in response to your assertion that performing arts no longer have a place in our society.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a classically-trained professional member of the performing arts
it’s crazy to believe that classical music, opera, and ballet are not slowly going by the wayside. it’s straight business.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not that much in classical ballet, but most musical dancers or even dancers you see on MTV have some classical training
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'm certain that there's many professional dancers who ...
work professionally, but like you said they probably have to cross over into different genres within the field; otherwise, they won’t be able to earn a sustainable living.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right about that.
I can guarantee you that those dancers started with ballet and then were forced into other types of dancing because they couldn’t fit the ballet body type (number 1 reason for not being able to get a job in a ballet company BTW) or they needed to make some rent money fast. Musicals are a more steady gig than ballet shows because more people go to see a musical so therefore you have a job for at least a year.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those girls don't make hardly any money,
and most of them are extensively trained dancers.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Apr 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're right.
Ballet is a dying art form. I cannot think of many people who would want to go see a ballet. There is basically no money to be made by being a professional ballet dancer. You don’t do it for the money, thats for sure. Personally, I think ballet is cool. But thats because I do ballet. I don’t know many other people my age who share the same views.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously??
i work with 2 people that have season tix
:(
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to Oregon Ballet Theatre?
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to watch ballet
at the highest level. I like most things humans do at their peak (exception: MMA). Watching lower levels of it is frustrating. I feel the same way about basketball though. I wouldn’t want to go to a high school game.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBT is doing a show this weekend....
we could always use more audience members!
shameless plug, I know.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there hot half naked chicks dancing during the timeouts?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there an article comparing opera and Blazer games in the Oregonian this year?
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Occasionally I wanted to boo in the opera or concert hall :)
But there are no refs.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would boo Claire
Just to toughen her up.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am tough.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it was a canzano
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 23, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly no.
usually during the “timeouts” as you call it. You can go get refreshments, stand in line for the restroom or comment on the impeccable performance to those around you.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to assume that hard alcohol isn't an ...
available “refreshment” there during intermission.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong about that actually.
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by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All right, that basically verifies my presumptions about ballet.
At any rate, though, I can definitely see how it’s unfortunate when something you love is unable to provide you with a stable career and livelihood. However, that’s why there’s a difference between passionate hobbies and pain in the ass jobs.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
got it
So is this your main point? Do you wish they did actual dancing (by your definition as I’m sure they would disagree).
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with you.
It gives men unrealistic expectations of what women look like, and promotes a culture where sex is both taboo and the most glorified of objects. It trains men to look for perfection, rather than seeing the absolute beauty that is found in imperfection. As a result of that, women, in turn must hide their imperfections in order to stay “in the competition” as it were. Relationships become based in fantasy. And dissolve the instant reality can even be sniffed. We are only hurting ourselves!
That said, I don’t know if there is anything that can be done about it. These Blazer dancers are doing this of their free volition. No one is forcing them to do this. Incentive, sure. But every last one of them can say no at any point. To stop it, you have to convince them, and anyone else who thinks that it’s kinda fun to show themselves off in front of a crowd for money.
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by T Darkstar on Apr 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point
I would say porn is a bigger problem. If you want the girls to be wrapped up in cloth, move to Saudi Arabia. All of these girls are still doing something somewhat respectable. They arent naked, doing lewd acts. Cheerleaders will never dissapear from sports.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazer Dancers are not cheerleaders though.
The stunt team girls are. Leave them, they make sense.
The Blazer Dancers are strictly there for the (mens) eyes.
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~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet there's a few women in the crowd who enjoy them
I can picture them now………but only the cute ones.
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by iDea on Apr 23, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well true to a point
all NBA teams have dancers…i think we are in the minority that have cheerleaders. our cheerleaders are great, but in the traditional sense, they dont exactly lead cheers at the RG like “true” cheerleaders do.
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 23, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to disagree
Because this clearly happens in our culture, but why do you think this doesn’t happen with guys as well.
Male pro athletes are monstrous, rich, and cut (some of their bodies just as artificial as women’s). Movie stars are handsome, rich, and often cut. On top of that, they are portrayed to be romantic and smooth which very few of us are. Why is it that female self-esteem takes such a hit from popular culture, while male self-esteem is goes largely unaffected (often completely undeserved)?
Also, ladies: The reason dancers and cheerleaders are typically women, is that both genders agree that women are more pleasant to look at. Why isn’t that more of a compliment?
Specifically Sophia and twiggs, how would you change what goes on? No dancers in sports? No cheerleaders? I’m just curious.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no problem
With the actual cheerleaders (stunt team). Those girls have mad talent, and for a sporting event it makes sense (going back to high school days). Or leave the Blazer dancers, fine. The point of our arguments is, regardless of how much “talent” the Blazer dancers have, they are only there for men to see. Sure, the women have the Blazers to look at. Luckily though, we have an extremely attractive team (unlike the Jazz for instance). But, we are there to actually watch the GAME. Most men are too. In fact, most guys actually look bored when the dancers go out there.
Which in a long way around, proves my point. The spectators have changed, you have women, family men, children. Not everyone cares about the dancers, and the mood of the crowd descends when they step on the floor. They aren’t “cheering” anyone up or pumping us up. All they do is make 60 year old men grab their binoculars to google at their bodies. To me, that is a waste of everyone’s time and the Blazer organizations money. I’d rather watch “Baby Races” during timeouts.
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by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanted to maket this point because I don't think it has been made
Your arbitrary approval of cheerleaders is ridiculous. They are there to entertain just like the dance team. Your point that ‘makes sense going back to high school days’: my high school and college had dance teams that performed during basketball games. There are also state competitions for dance in high school. Seeing what they do as a ‘stripper routine’ is ugly.
The older lady who sits next to me at Blazer games loves the Blazer dancers and heartedly claps when they perform, she was a cheerleader back in her day, and she absolutely enjoys their performance. Just because you only see them as “there for men to see” does not mean that is what everyone sees.
You may be a great dancer for all I know, but its not like these girls have not done dance for a long time. My family is a ballet family and my cousins have danced for both Glencoe and Westview’s dance team, I wouldn’t call what they did disrespecting to women, and one of my cousin’s is now dancing with OBT. Saying that you could do what they did is ridiculous. And I mean absolutely ridiculous. And yet because they make it look effortless, all of a sudden its worthless?
I’m not saying that the dance team is especially skilled, or on the level with a theatre. But they do have skill, and accepting the cheerleaders because of their more obvious skill, but ignoring the dancer’s is missing the point.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
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by TheOdenator on Apr 23, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I said on the other thread...
There is a difference between the Blazer Dancers entertaining the crowd because of their skilled dancing, and a difference between the Blazer Dancers entertaining the crowd because of what they are wearing. I often see people praising or critiquing the outfits or physical attributes of the BD, but I rarely, if ever, hear analysis on their level of dancing skill. This makes me feel like the emphasis is not on the dancing.
And, as Sofia points out, the routines the BD currently do rarely, if ever, approach competitive dance teams do. Again: the emphasis is on the sexual, not the dancing.
I would personally LOVE it if we could have a highly skilled, competent dance team that did AMAZING dance routines. We’re not getting it from the current BlazerDancers.
by brycie on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same idea, same time posted :)
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that like some online version of jinx?
Does this mean I owe you a Coke because you noticed the jinx before I did?
by brycie on Apr 23, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay and the cheerleading team
is definitely at the peak of their performance? No. They do the most simple stunts. And yet Twiggs is impressed! They are both dumbed down versions of something that is difficult, and are meant to entertain. And yet praising one group for doing it, and then knocking another group for doing exactly the same thing is ridiculous.
Dance is sexual.
The Waltz-sexual, the tango-dear lord, the freaking charleston was considered incredibly scandalous for its time. These aren’t simulated sex acts or something like that.
From Twiggs:
Maybe if they just wore what dance teams in high school wore, they wouldn’t be looked at like strippers.
The cheerleaders wear similarly sexualized outfits, if you are going to criticize one at least criticize the other for the same thing. Or you know don’t criticize either.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
by TheOdenator on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the cheerleaders
Don’t gyrate, flip their hair and ooze sexuality when they preform their stunts. Regardless of how difficult their moves are. And in fact, I never, ever once said I was impressed by them. I just am not disgusted by them. So get your quoting right.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I am not going to sway your opinion at all.
But your reasoning has been the way they dress and that their dancing doesn’t require skill? Correct? And you are not disgusted by Cheerleaders because what they do takes skill right?
I was pointing out that Cheerleaders dress in a similar way. They don’t do anything more impressive to their respective disciplines than the dancers do. You have an arbitrary basis for judgment.
You don’t like that there is sexiness in the dance moves, or rather that the focus is on sexiness. The same could be said of many many other types of dance. This is not unique to “dance teams” or the fact that this is a loosely based in jazz style of dance. Obviously more hip-hop style but it clearly isn’t ballet, Not that ballet can’t be sexy (see Center Stage).
So your problem is that their is some sort of sexiness going on during a basketball game. And that we shouldn’t be subjected to that. But we are subjected to it all the time advertisements, music, movies. Singling out the Blazer Dancers for a crusade like this is ridiculous.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
by TheOdenator on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know much about cheerleading...
But to be honest, I don’t like cheerleading uniforms much either. I do know that the outfits have to be short and not bulky so that they can do their stunts, but I don’t think they need to have bare midriffs.
Anyway, anecdotally, I can tell you that the reactions I’ve witnessed for a stunt team performance is much different than the reactions I’ve witnessed for a Blazer Dancer performance.
When the stunt team performs, I often hear “Wow, look at what they did!” or applause for a stunt. It’s apparent they are being appreciated for their skill.
When the dance team performs, I almost never hear “Wow, look at what they did!” I hear “Wow, look at her!” (followed by either appreciation or critique of the dancer’s physical attributes).
I WISH the BlazerDancers could be appreciated for their talents. But in order for that to happen I think they’ve gotta 1) get rid oof the outfits, which are obviously in the way of the dancing 2) perform dance routines which are skillful, entertaining, and more than a couple steps away from what you’d see in a “gentleman’s club”. Right now they’re just not there.
by brycie on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I am sure that a lot of people wish the dances were more difficult
they would both raise the profile of the dancers and dance in general.
If they did something spectacular would the RG audience even notice? I mean I watch the Hip Hop group perform, and people pay about as much attention to them, and their talents are definitely more readily apparent.
1) Half the time and especially these new outfits, are practically leotards with less. Why do dancers where leotards? Because you want the least amount of clothing to get in the way.
2) I agree they could definitely be better, but most people’s points seem to be we need to get rid of them instead of improve upon them. I am 100% completely all for them doing more complicated routines. But getting rid of them and pushing even this sort of dance do the waste side seems ridiculous.
And claiming that what they do anyone can do is also ridiculous. They aren’t out their just stripping. What they do does take choreography, blocking etc. They do practice, by writing them off as strippers with clothing is disrespectful.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
by TheOdenator on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
Your arbitrary approval of cheerleaders is ridiculous. They are there to entertain just like the dance team.
Right. But they at least show off their talent.
my high school and college had dance teams that performed during basketball games. There are also state competitions for dance in high school. Seeing what they do as a ‘stripper routine’ is ugly.
Then maybe they should do actual dance routines. Which, if they bust out a good move from time to time goes by unnoticed by most people because we are too distracted by their slutty outfits. Maybe if they just wore what dance teams in high school wore, they wouldn’t be looked at like strippers.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
I dont think many people care if they do an “actual dance routine.” If they happen to bust out a good move, i am not going to see it. Not because I was distracted by the “slutty outfits”, its because I have no idea of what a good move is supposed to look like.
by BlazerBen on Apr 23, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second paragraph you wrote is in-depth analysis that details a pragmatic outlook on ...
this oddly contentious issue. In a relatively free-market society — yet not laissez-faire enough to satisfy my minarchist desires — supply and demand have a way of taking care of things in a practical way.
Case in point, there’s a market for NFL and NBA franchises to employ dance teams. Whether or not one agrees with the practice, however, is a moot point — unless you wish to fight back by boycotting companies that partake in it, which might cause a slight financial dent — yet, in all likelihood, that’d be to no avail.
I, therefore, suggest that anyone who objects to the Blazer dance team should follow the old idiomatic adage of “grin and bear it.” It’d be less stressful and easier on the heart that way.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the blazer dancers give
unrealistic expectations of what women look like. Let’s face it, this isn’t Pamela Anderson (circa mid 90s) we’re talking about here.
by DrivetheLane on Apr 23, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when
did girls shaking their slutty behinds become offensive?
by Escrote on Apr 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Liberals and conservatives do agree on this one issue, albeit via laughably different platforms.
I’m glad to be a libertarian, however, for I respect one’s freedom of choice to partake in any activity — even if an uptight liberal finds it to be degrading or a prudish conservative finds it to be indecent and whatnot — so long as they’re a willing participant.
Yes, I’m sure I come off as an enormous jerk with my response here. That, however, is just due to my blunt, straightforward nature. Heck, a much-needed dose of brutal honesty hasn’t hurt anyone.
On a side note, I’m apathetic toward cheerleaders at professional sporting events. Although they serve what I’d call a more tangible purpose at college and high school sporting events — with that being school spirit and all that rah-rah tripe — it seems a bit pointless to me at this level.
Yet, NFL and NBA franchises must’ve done studies to show that dance teams are a marketable source of revenue, so my position on that issue is more power to them. Of course, that’s just my assessment in this case.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from you... who gawks at Batum....
I understand how it feels to have the opposite sex come on to you when it’s most undesirable. It’s really uncomfortable, but I can’t bring myself to say they haven’t the right. Girls get away with WAY more than guys do with this subject.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Apr 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Sophia
like we don’t ever read your comments about what you think of Batum…you are such a sexist
C*mcast sucks!
by Blazermaniac77 on Apr 23, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooh
smack.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Apr 23, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
norsktroll, you are amazing.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Apr 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marissa looks like she is a 10 year old
All dressed up to be in a beauty pageant.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dis-gus-ting
good point tho :)
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As you don't talk bad about her lovely sister
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
enough with the complaining
They are an integral part of the organization which has one purpose, TO ENTERTAIN. For someone on a message board to say that they have no talent is absolutely ridiculous. Professional dancers work just as many hours and years as anyone in any profession. Oh and don’t forget that they do this in front of hundreds of thousands of people yet all you can do is tear them down.
Jealousy is a funny thing.
by kellex-BoL on Apr 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Sophia?
That’s the last thing it is. She is 10x prettier than any of the dancers.
Jealousy is a funny thing.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh man, “jealous”… that is hilarious.
The point is, if i want to see naked women shaking their ass, I can go to a strip club.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
but it is nice when you dont have to….ahahahah!
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Apr 23, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, uh, let me be the first to contend that there's a huge difference between a dance squad ...
performing at a professional sporting event versus strippers doing their thing at a gentleman’s club.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, gentleman's club,
great euphemism. That isn’t supposed to be sarcastic, I actually thought it was funny fyi.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the blazer dancers are stripping
the only difference is … they aren’t taking their clothes all the way off.
…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I posted this on the other thread already.
I think it would be insulting to the Blazer dancers to call them strippers. Only occasionally do they have a routine where they are taking clothes off during the dance, and I’ve seen female fans at the games showing nearly as much skin on their upper bodies.
by MavetheGreat on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah some women at games really glam up and strip down
not my cup of tea and completely irrelevant.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really annoys me too.
I mean, everyone has their right to dress however they want but in my opinion high-heels and low cut top is not appropriate attire for a sporting event.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, bugs me too.
It’s not a freaking club. Go to Berbatis if you want to wear that clothing!
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
by twiggs on Apr 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is would you insult the dancers if they were stunningly attractive male bodybuilders (not that that the real Blazer dancers are attractive)?
The BEdger previously known as BR7formvp.
by L-TrainFTW! on Apr 23, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, probably.
I just think its a little weird to have any kind of sexual dancing going on at a basketball game. I don’t necessarily have any problems with the dance teams, I just wished they would tone down the sex appeal and actually dance.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
by Claire on Apr 24, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a very, very tangible difference, which isn't up for debate.
Of course, I was making that point by posing the question to you originally.
Then again, my feeling on strip clubs is that they’re just a run-of-the-mill vice for some people.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as you have proved so astutely
EVERYTHING is up for debate.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a part of what makes life enjoyable, for if we all agreed on everything stuff ...
would become boring, lame, and monotonous. Indeed, the one thing we can ironically agree upon is that we can’t agree on everything.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am soo tempted to say I dont agree
but then I would be deliberatly obtuse… lol
well said and very true.
sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, we've managed to establish a decent rapport and no longer bicker ...
like siblings. It took some time, but finally that middle ground has been found.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is a nice way to say
our online bloggin relationship is boring…
lol :)
just kidding
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is the male reaction to Blazer Dancers
any different than your reaction to Nicolas Batum. I don’t know if you’ve met him or not, but you surely don’t know him personally. Yet you spend hours over the season obsessing (or maybe joke obsessing i don’t know) over him.
It’s a ridiculous double standard.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's like the family member you don't see except during the holidays ...
and other special gatherings, but when you cross paths there’s always something pointless, yet entertaining to argue about back and forth for a few minutes. Once that’s over, though, it’s back to living life until the next time you run into each other a few months or so down the line.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is absurd...
The Blazer Dancers are no where near strippers and that is disgraceful to call them that.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't naked.
They’re probably wearing about as much clothing as the women I see when I go to the beach. Actually, they’re probably wearing more clothing.
I dont think its right to single out the BD for something you can see every time you walk outside or turn on the TV.
by BlazerBen on Apr 23, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
It’s spring term here at Oregon State and I see more skin walking around campus than I do in a blazerdancer routine.
Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.
by sixth on Apr 23, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that is not necessarily a bad thing
not at all
by cloudydays on Apr 23, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not trying to raise a counterpoint or anything like that, I just merely want to ask
how do you, Sophia, feel about professional dancers who also are dressed in revealing outfits for their performances? Do you consider that way of dressing, even for a professional, degrading to women and provide an unrealistic expectation of women?
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 23, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure what is funny?
It is was a legitimate question.
Can I get a headband? One for my peeps, one for the fans in the really cheap seats, one for my momma, one for the mayor, and if you wanna get down with the players, YOU GOTTA GET A HEADBAND!
by peseme16 on Apr 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOPHIA...
Do you think that you are possibly being slightly hypocritical by saying that the Blazer dancers are bad when you react in the same way to Batum that we react to the Blazer Dancers. I guarantee you would not complain if Nicolas Batum took his jersey off after the game.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Apr 23, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly what i said!
any different than your reaction to Nicolas Batum. I don’t know if you’ve met him or not, but you surely don’t know him personally. Yet you spend hours over the season obsessing (or maybe joke obsessing i don’t know) over him.
It’s a ridiculous double standard.
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it is pretty different to me.
She is saying that it is the Blazers dancers job to be sexy and that that is degrading.
She isn’t saying that sexy people, or thinking people are sexy is degrading.
At least that is my read.
by staylost on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's no surprise you both
are like, 20 years old.
In regards to Nic Batum. It is a great little joke of Twiggs, AnnetheFan, and I to latch onto one player and post on and on about how hot he is.
Nic Batum is hot. However, he isn’t ON THE TEAM because he is hot. He is there to play defense, particularly perimiter defense. It just so happens to be that I find him extremely attractive.
Blazer Dancers are there TO BE SEXY. The point isn’t to be dancers that HAPPEN to be cute, rather oversexed women used specifically to entice men.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
commence slow clap
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always wanted to do that
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you're 24?
Men watching a bunch of other men sweat profusely is kind of homoerotic… gotta objectify women to prove their virility. This is degrading and perpetuating debauchery and not something I want to be a part of.
direct quote. from your blog.
and yet i stand by the fact that you objectify “tall light skinned black men” another quote from you.
so maybe it’s in jest; but i won’t stand for it. it’s degrading and perpetuating hypocrisy and not something I want to be part of
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you are really completely missing the point
If you want to pretend the concept of dancers during nba games as they are today , is not sexist, i will not stop you.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no u miss the point
i don’t think many are attractive, and it’s highly sexist.
they really don’t add anything to the game experience either.
but i disagree with your hypocrisy.
i really dislike feminists who hold sexist views of men. it’s worse than men being openly sexist. especially when they then try to take moral high ground.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOLOLOL
right. Ok, well there you go. Feminists shouldn’t work for women’s rights and equality.
You have no clue what the hell you are even talking about.
Sorry FAIL
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, i say there is nothing wrong with feminism
there is something wrong with hyposcrisy.
make an argument against them based on something other than feeling they are objectified because you objectify men exactly the same way.
and professional sports teams are there for entertainment, they are the pinnacle of athleticism. so obsessing over one is no different. they are paid to look the way they do.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for commenting
the end
they are paid to look the way they do
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
same way you objectify Nicolas Batum – whom among other things – is paid to look the way he does
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mean he gets paid to be in shape?
That would be true. Yet there are enough NBA players that look…um…pretty sub-par in terms of facial features, and they make more than many good looking ones.
One of my favorite soccer players is ugly as can be due to an accident as a child leaving his face heavily scarred an being unemployed when the time to fix his teeth would have been. Still awesome to watch him play.
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One name
Chistiano Ronaldo
I swear the liga lets him score goals just because of his looks.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
by TheOdenator on Apr 23, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ribery?
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they are paid to look sexy. And...?
Who is that degrading to? You? Just because some women love to dance in a suggestive fashion, does that offend you or make you look bad as a fellow women?
by BlazerBen on Apr 23, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't bother arguing
she doesn’t use reason or logic. instead she sadly uses 2nd wave feminist double standards.
its ok for her to objectify men, but not for men to objectify women
and that misses the point. Sports dance teams just looking trashy. they’re clearly there to be sexually attractive, and should have some class. but they don’t.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"she doesn't use reason or logic"
Yeah, we men are the only ones who use reason or logic. It is impossible for a woman to use such things. Plus, they are not degraded. If only they could think like rational men instead of like emotional women, they would understand that they are treated equally.
by TimG on Apr 23, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are u kidding me
more Ad Hominem attacks? i am specifically referring to her double standard.
not women in general.
it’s offensive for u to make that statement.
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was not an ad hominem
It was satire. Seriously, it wasn’t an attack, I apologize if it came across that way, but what you said is something that is constantly something said about women that is degrading. Using a statement like that is probably bound to be seen in the wider context of the discussion we’re in, which is about the degradation of women.
Peace, man, and I’m not on her side or something, that statement just struck a chord, especially in the context of this discussion.
by TimG on Apr 24, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think many are attractive, and it’sprofessional “dance teams” are highly sexist.
correction
OH! IT'S A LOB TO RUDY!! And he Jams it!
From Sergio; the Spanish Armada hooks up again!
by Portland89 on Apr 23, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the topic of feminism, there's a disconnect between some of the different schools ...
of thought. Despite being in just her mid-20s, Sophia’s view on sexuality associates more with the antiquated second-wave movement than either third-wave or, more appropriately, modern-day post-feminism.
As a human being, I’ve always appreciated the post-feminist mantra of women are people — as no matter our biological gender differences we are all human beings — rather than the underlying misandry that existed heavily in the more primitive, unrefined forms of the feminist movement of yesteryear.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bwahahaha
“misandrist” is um, your fav. word…
lol
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Apr 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the term, there are valid arguments 'bout how second-wave feminism ...
is rooted heavily in reverse sexism. Second-wave feminism fizzled away soon after the ERA movement failed, but there are still ardent supporters of it who clash with third-wave and post-feminists.
Second-wave feminism created tension within members of the female gender, too, as those of whom who were ultraconservative about sexuality clashed with women who believed in sexual liberation. That, of course, has a lot to do with this topic, as I’d be inclined to check out a debate between Sophia and some Blazer Dance team member. It’d be an interesting, perhaps informative discussion.
Anyhow, first-wave feminism — which dealt heavily with women’s suffrage and the 19th Amendment to the United States Constitution — deserves the most respect of the eras; that’s ’cause it was a necessary step in the evolution of gender equality in America. Heck, we can all agree on that.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and apropos of the word "misandry," I'll switch from using it to gynocentric.
You made a great point about how I used it as a crutch earlier in this whole debate.
by AK1984 on Apr 24, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, take 5 and watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8IrZ4sKLQw
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats wrong with sexuality
You use the word oversexed. who says anything is over sexed. we are all so concerned with anything even remotely to do with our sexuality.
by shteveo on Apr 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb...
First off how do you know how old I am? You are only assuming my age. Second, I still can’t get over the fact that you compared them to strippers, that is ridiculous. Third, the Blazer Dancer’s job is to entertain and yes, there is some sexiness to that, but that isn’t all of what they do. Even if you think it is crappy dancing, they do dance and the dances aren’t meant to turn men on. Look if you don’t agree with the idea of the Blazer Dancers then don’t watch them.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Apr 23, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"used specifically to entice men" to what?
what are they supposed to entice me to do? buy tickets? buy food? enjoy the timeout? fantasize?
I think you might be overestimating the role of the dancers. I don’t necessarily disagree that there routines may be somewhat inappropriate, but I’m not sure they qualify as sexist. But “sexist” is a fairly relative term also. Your opinion that they are sexist doesn’t make them sexist; no more than my opinion that Steve Blake is as good a point guard as there is outside the top 5 PGs means he’s actually that good.
by DrivetheLane on Apr 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to break it to y'all, but ...
Mike Miller is more attractive than Nicolas Batum, Rudy Fernandez, and Travis Outlaw.
There’s no doubt about it whatsoever.
by AK1984 on Apr 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder
That stop and go by Roy is straight sick. I'm calling him "The Flu" from now on. - Wendell Maxey
by Norsktroll on Apr 23, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 23, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would still watch basketball if the Blazer dancers disappeared. That said
if a bunch of grown women choose to shake their tushies for the enjoyment of the crowd, so freakin what?
And if it’s more about sex than dancing, again, so freakin what?
The Blazer dancers are old enough to decide for themselves what they want to do and the rest of us are old enough to decide if we want to watch or go use the pisser while they are on the court.
by raoulduke on Apr 23, 2009 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole crusade is silly
and it certainly doesn’t need two threads. One soapbox is enough.
by ucatchtrout on Apr 24, 2009 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really do know better
But I find this is a topic I can’t stop myself mentioning something, mostly because I find it fascinating. Apologies to everyone. I’ll keep it brief.
I find beauty both in “unattainable ideals” and in “imperfection”. I enjoy looking at Michelangelo’s David just as much as Bosch’s “Garden of Earthly Delights”.
Most discomfort with, AND pursuit of said ideals are born of insecurities. We all have ‘em. I’ve caught myself on several occasions disparaging boy bands or pretty boy actors for the same reason.
Being attractive doesn’t disqualify you from having insecurities. Sometimes it intensifies them (I’m ABSOLUTELY not making a judgment call on Sophia here, I’m just pointing out a truism).
Offensiveness is quite often in the eye of the beholder, and influenced by an enormity of outside forces. For example, where sex was the ultimate source of taboo back in the 80’s, now racism is, and the pursuit of the latter has led to an age of over sensitivity towards things that in other decades would be quite innocuous.
My wife loves the Blazer dancers (quite a bit more than I do) and is particularly fond of Ione, after hearing her national anthem performance. She also enjoys strippers.
I find it kind of funny that even people defending the dancers and their right to entertain in a venue where their style is appreciated are offended by comparisons to strippers, who have just as much right in their venue too. (total sidenote: Beaverton has the highest strip club per capita in the country. Newberg the highest church rate per capita. I’ve always found it hilarious they sit right next to each other).
Aesthetic appreciation does not necessarily equate to sex. Although, the two are also not necessarily mutually exclusive either. I can enjoy looking at a “fit” woman gyrating and not want to jump her bones, so to speak. I can’t make the same claim for anyone else. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with appreciating someone solely for their looks, so long as said appreciation doesn’t also equate every time with some sort of degradation of the individual on another level. A good example here would be people who go off on how hot Harlowe is, and every time smear her skills as a reporter, and insinuate she’s sleeping with various members of the team for the job. That’s not to say you shouldn’t be critical of someone’s performance if you think their good looking, but I find the points, when put together, kind of offensive. But then, as I said, offensiveness is subjective.
Nuance, or quality of dance, is also subjective. As in other realms of talent, a technically proficient individual will judge a performance completely different from a lay person. My wife isn’t the former at all. Her credentials are solely liking dance, and being a fan of shows like “So You Think You Can Dance” and “Dancing With the Stars”. She’s not afraid to call out what from her perspective a lame performance. Again, all subjective. But I mention it just to provide a counter point (from a woman) to the argument that skill=suck + looks=hot =offensive.
My wife is crazy hot. This isn’t a point, but rather, a statement of opinion, for no reason at all. ;)
I lied when I said this would be brief.
by zaruga on Apr 24, 2009 4:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can figure is that the dudes who love the Blazer Dancers are too young to get into a strip club
But hey just another reason why I’m getting a better deal watching the game on TV than the schmuck blowing $300.00 on tickets to go to the circus ERRRR I mean the Blazer game.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Apr 24, 2009 7:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am ashamed to see
so many men absolutely not get what Sophia is saying. I mean…the level of general cluelessness is pretty damning.
by antediluvian on Apr 24, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who Cares?
I’ve read in this post that Ballet dancers are good, Blazers dancers bad. Someone said Blazers dancers are fat, I think. But I’ve also read that Blazer dancers are bad body image models for women. Isn’t the Ballet body type way more unattainable than the “fat” Blazer dancers?
Regardless, it’s all just a part of freedom. Girls want to be Blazers dancers, fine. Guys want to watch their stupid dance, fine. If it wasn’t for these things the Blazer dancers wouldn’t exist. I used to look down on people who did things I thought were low class (perhaps how Ballet dancers look at Jazz dancers?) but that makes a person into an elitist. If someone wants to do something that I wouldn’t do, that’s their choice and I am glad they have it. I can’t look into their minds and see the reasons they do it, the life they have lived to make them who they are. You can respect the things a Ballet dancer does, hard work, dedication, training, but that does not make them a better person than a stripper. Perhaps if you really knew both you might respect the stripper for taking a hard life and trying to make something better the only way they can. Perhaps the ballet dancer is just a spoiled elitist. Those are both sterotypes though, and the truth could be the exact opposite.
People also have the freedom to try and convince others that their point of view is better. That’s whats fun about this stuff I guess.
I am going to wish I didn’t click post on this gibberish.
by twggyy on Apr 24, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna go out on a limb here
Playing devils advocate here but would it be crazy to think that many women find watching certain blazers play a somewhat sexual vice…the (I love Rudy club) ect, I know I have been around many women who think certain Blazers were (Hot) and after reading a few post comparing Jazz, Ballet and Blazers Dance it would seem that it comes down to taste equal to that of Mozart to Metallica. I feel lucky to say I land firmly in the middle of either discussion. So maybe some guys come to watch girls, and some girls come to watch guys,as long as we all end up supporting the team I’m good.
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