On all this complaining about the refereeing.
by Blazin' on Apr 19, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
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PrintLook. Let me put aside the fundamental fact that complaining about the refereeing is not very helpful. I pray that the Blazers are not wasting their energy right now doing so.
Here's the thing. The referees reward advantage. It is the job of the offense to create advantage over the defense. To get the defense off balance, rotating, or recovering. To find mismatches. To break them down. To create an open lane to the basket. When this has happened, the ref will blow the whistle whether or not an actual hack has been made. They can't see everything as it happens, and this is how the game is called.
It is why I don't understand all the complaining. Because we did not, by and large, create that advantage. Sure, its frustrating, and venting is understandable, but you could put ten different referee crews out there, and they would call the game the same way.
Seeing it as the refs being decisive is failing to see something way more essential: we failed to solve Houston's defense last night. And until we find some way to create that advantage, we are going to lose.
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The refs cerainly weren't fair
But we need to play through it! stay aggressive .. and not just one or two guys but as a team.
bingo
There were a lot of questionable calls, but nothing the Blazers couldn’t play through. I think we saw a “deer in the headlights” look from the Blazers. I’ve always been one of those people that say the refs don’t beat you, you beat yourself.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree
i have only one beef with the refs and that was when Roy was on the floor injured. Play should have stopped at the change in possession off the rebound. Other than that we did nothing, except for Greg, to force the officials to give us some calls.
Oden is the key to getting back into this. get him the ball, lossen up the coverage on aldridge, if he starts hitting it opens up lanes for the gaurds.
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Unfortunately, we had the ball when he got injured...
and we already had used an extra timeout, so Nate did not want to call another. You can’t penalize the other team when they get the ball by stopping the action. They had a 5 on 4 and we had to foul to stop play.
I disagree
Imploring people to not complain about bad calls is the most useless activity.
Fact: there are a lot of bad calls in the NBA
Fact: fans will complain about those calls
It’s extremely frustrating for Blazer fans right now because the team is just arriving as a top level team and need to play highly efficient to compete. Bad calls, while they happen to every team, are harder to overcome for a team like the Blazers.
The good news is, as the team continues to improve, being the recipient of bad calls will decrease as will the magnitude of their effect on the team’s play.
lol
Imploring people to not complain about bad calls is the most useless activity.
this makes a lot of sense…
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, not really a complaint, but
How do you explain the 20-3 free throw shooting advantage in the first half? Brandon was getting ZERO calls at the start of the game.
Yes, playoff experience is one thing, and the Blazers were NOT the aggressors, except for Brandon. Roy started off the game going hard to the rim, and getting layed out on his back with no call. You could tell when he got frustrated because he just started putting up longer and longer jumpers.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
see the assertion:
“refs reward advantage.” That is the main point of the post.
Why didnt you name your post after the main point then?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
pretentious writerly tendencies
and belligerence! :)
So BRoy creates an advantage, and they don't call it BRoy's way.
So LMA creates an advantage, and he gets 0 calls.
So we freaking breathe on a Rocket, and bingo they are at the line.
So we start to get Yao in foul trouble, and overwork him, and he picks up one foul in a quarter with us attacking him the whole time.
Rename your post, and state your “rule” this way: When the Rockets create an advantage, they get calls, but they Blazers do not under those same conditions.
And conclude: Out of the ten playoff referee crews, only one of them would have called the game so incredibly lopsided.
Yeah
Your title is pretty inflamatory after a game like that.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Explain this to me then...
We beat them in points in the paint, in both halves. Isn’t that being aggressive? We had a ton of offensive rebound in the first half and NO ONE got fouled on any of the putback attempts?
Now, I didn’t partake in the “These refs suck” chant because we were down by 30 and they didn’t cost us the game. But they really did suck and who knows, maybe if we were down 5-10 at halftime like we should have, we’d have come ready to play in the second half.
Joel’s third foul was one of the single worst off the ball fouls I have ever seen called. When he had to come out, Frye came in, and we all know how that goes.
Meanwhile Blake gets hit on a 3 and no foul. Battier just falls down without being touched, and Roy gets the call. It was pretty awful.
That said, we also played awful, so the refs alone didn’t cost us the game.
by Zaig on Apr 19, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
THANK YOU
“We beat them in points in the paint, in both halves. Isn’t that being aggressive? We had a ton of offensive rebound in the first half and NO ONE got fouled on any of the put back attempts?”
People always use the same excuse when fans complain about foul calls, and that is that the aggressive team gets the calls. However if the aggressive team isn’t getting the calls they don’t change their stance on why because the only other excuse is that the referees are not consistent.
If the game was called equally from the beginning it probably would not have been a 30 point game. All that a game needs, to be even a little bit rigged is opportune calls at the right moments. If team A gets some momentum, they get a bad call to ruin it. If team A is driving the lane and not getting the calls, then team A will probably stop driving the lane. If team A is not allowed to play tough defense but team B is allowed team B will look more aggressive and team A will look soft.
The way the referees called this game in a way still hurts Houston if they do end up beating us. Because there is no way they will get away with the same type of play in LA. Because the games are not called equally.
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by Blazermaniac77 on Apr 19, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
points in the paint
i’ve noticed that too, but i’m thinking it might be fools gold…whenever they were in the paint, they were fouled and sent to the line. so they didn’t score the basket, but made their FTs. a majority of their fts came from the offensive player being in the paint.
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 19, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So how was there defense so great in the paint if we could score more on the inside they did on us?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Cuz everybody says its thetheir defense that lost the game for us not the refs.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Either they play defense and we cant score inside, or they hack, grab jersey and get away with it.
its both in my opinion. But Blazers were also scared and that might of been one of the biggest reasons we lost.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
BC we would foul them when they were in the paint
which artificially deflated their numbers.
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 19, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
So then when we body them up we get called for a foul, cuz of our reputation of being soft and being young.
And when they hit Roy in the head, hack Blake on a 3, and pull jerseys its not a foul, cuz they have a reputation of being good defensively, even though we could score on them inside?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
i wish more calls went our way too
but they didnt…the refs did a poor job, but in the end we would have lost anyways. our players look tired, and lost partway thru the first quarter. you could see it in their body language. its 1 game and its not going to change my opinion of how well the team did all season. i know we will bounce back. we need to get over this Ref thing or else it’ll just continue to eat at us.
remember the old brandon that used to play thru it and not complain? thats the one i want to see tuesday.
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by Philthyanimal on Apr 19, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I hope that they come out stronger too.
But I cant say that refs in no way affected the game.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Apr 19, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See Blazers even when they did not get the calls still were fighting cuz they were within 7 points in the 2 quarter with 4 minutes left.
But they called some bads call on Thrilla and Oden thats why they were down 20 at the half cuz Frye came in with 4 minutes left and they got all rebound and could score on us with out a true center.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Plus Outlaw almost never has enough rebounds when he plays power forward.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I thought about that
But they didn’t beat us by quite enough at the FT line to counter that. Also, they had at least 4 +1s that I can recall, which means they got FTs AND PiP together.
The Houston Rockets were aggressive on offense, which wasn't true for the Portland Trail Blazers.
Also, with regards to Brandon Roy, he shouldn’t’ve stopped attacking the rim due to a couple of no-calls that didn’t go his way. On the contrary, he should’ve gotten up, went back on defense, and tried the same thing again on the next isolation play called for him. It’s called bucking up and rising to the challenge.
I agree that Blazers should have steped up to the challange, but
if your blaming Roy for not doing it, then all other Blazers besides Oden should get their behinds kick by you, cuz they did not show up at all. At least Roy and Oden did.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
What "advantage" did Derek Rose and the Bulls have over the Celtics?
The refs put Derek Rose on the line many more times than these refs put Broy.
RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!
I didn't see the Celtics game.
But I did see the Portland game! And I believe the main point of the post to be valid in this case.
there was inequity
in the calls. Roy deserved to go to the line ALOT more than he did.
by Odenrising on Apr 19, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put another way:
It is a consequence of getting your butt kicked.
i do not disgree
th thing Roy did not do was to keep driving all the way down. he did not get a call everytime down early on, but once he started pulling up he had no chance to get any others either…
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Rose forced the action
By and large, when Roy drove the lane, the Rockets were playing terrible defense on him early and there was little to no contact.
Seriously, I expect more from Blazers fans. Be upset about officiating, but coming away from that game and thinking the calls were even in the top 20 of things that went wrong for you guys is just silly sour apples. You guys are better than this
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Now let's not group everyone too much here.
So far, I don’t really see too many people on this particular post completely blaming the refs. As Blazin says it is not even the main point of this post.
we failed to solve Houston’s defense last night. And until we find some way to create that advantage, we are going to lose.
Not blaming refs.
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yup can’t disagree
I think the refs calls changed the ways the Blazers played the rest of the game and that does suck. If the disparity was that great, then we should have had a couple of guys foul out but they really got up on their heels and didn’t understand how to match the intensity.
And, just as important, as bad as the refs were last night, they were pretty bad on both sides of the floor. It almost felt random (more so than even usual) when they would decide something was a block versus a no-call. That annoys me as a fan of the game even more than as a fan of the Blazers.
The Blazers got taken out of their game. Every team has this happen. The great ones come back. Game on.
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Enough all ready.
I’m a Portland fan, but Houston came out, played aggressive, and and punked Portland,
Its silly to blame the refs.
First of all Yao played out of his mind, and that was really big thing for the Rockets.
I think that Blazers came out paranoid except B-Roy. That made Blazers hurry on the offensive end, and be stagnant and tentative on the defense. There were some bad calls that only added to the effect. The Blazers better learn if the dont want be the next Rockets who exit 1 round 6 straight years.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I think greg showed up
we just do not get him the ball near often enough
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I don't blame the refs for this loss- we were terrible
however, I was stunned that Scola’s first foul didn’t come until garbage time against Ruffin. He must have grabbed Aldridge’s uniform at least 5 times during the game- never a call. Sure he uses his body instead of hacking, but he was still smacking our players all game. At once point he smashed himself into Outlaw (or possibly that was Artest who did that). In any case, Outlaw was moved about 3 feet to the side and missed a shot- nothing.
It was also nice when Artest bounced Brandon’s head off the floor, where he lay for a full minute. Hey, no foul!
i agree
scola’s hand were wrapped with Blazer jersey all night. This is where the blazers need to channel kevin mchale and curse very loudly when you try to move…
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Scola, was playing great defense
I though he bodyied LMA and forced him outside.
Once he got in LMA head, it was all over.
Thats just good defense.
If the refs had slow motion cameras in their heads
they might be able to call the game clinically, which is what the irate fan wants.
Instead, in the NBA, officials respond to the tone of the contact. In other words, if a player is out of control, he won’t get the call even if he is fouled. Or, if, as Portland was doing last night, we are plunging towards the basket where 4 Rockets are comfortably established, we will not get the call. That’s the way the game is played. You have to create advantage and opportunity to benefit from the referee’s whistle. I don’t see any other way to do it at the speed the game is played.
If I were to pissed at the refs, it would be in a game that was not so one-sided and where a single call was decisive. Last night’s game strikes me as an example of when the refs simply did not matter.
Ofcourse Rockets were comfortable cuz they knew they were going to get called for a foul, cuz of their reputation.
Dude every game Roy had at least 1 out of control play, and he would get bailed out by the refs, just not in this game. I see it both ways. The Blazers came out like rats running on LSD, and Rockets looked to them like monsters. The refs looked like they were in with the monsters to not get ripped by them. I dont know what came first the Blazers lack of execution or the refs. It might of been a cursed circle. You say the glass of water is half full, I say the glass is half empty. What came first the half empty, or half full glass, I don’t know. To me it looks like Blazers were scared from the start, and the refs did not help. Yeah maybe Blazers were out of control, but if they got fouled the refs should call it. If im driving over the speed limit, and the cop see that Im in control and not drunk will he let it go? No.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Ofcourse Rockets were comfortable cuz they knew they were "NOT" going to get called for a foul, cuz of their reputation.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Which plays? I can't think of a single time Roy's played out of control, but maybe I'm wrong...
Dude every game Roy had at least 1 out of control play, and he would get bailed out by the refs, just not in this game.
Roy has some of the best Body Control in the league. I think I can count the number of Charges he got called for this year on one hand. OK, maybe two.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes he would loose the ball or stummble and get bailed out by a foul.
You know the super star treatment.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Hold on.
Roy does have a habit of driving to the hoop and throwing up a prayer, hoping to get the call.
But he’s just a little to obvious to get the call.
I’m a blazer fan, and I really didn’t see that many plays were the refs missed call against the blazers,
I 100 percent agree with original post, and refes should give the advantage to the aggressor, and last night it was Houston.
The Rockets were comfortable
Because their offense was scorching, and we never really tested their defense. On another night when their offense is more typical, we have to be ready to challenge their defense.
Dude did you read that we had more points in the paint then them in both halfs? cant ingnore that.
But yeah Yao and Brooks just went off on us.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I agree 100%.
I’m a blazer fan, and portland just go punked plain and simple!
We were aggressive throughout the first half.
we had more points in the paint than Houston, yet the free throw advantage was grossly in their favor.
I can’t remember if I have ever seen a game where the refs demoralized one team more than last night. You could tell the exact moment when B-Roy threw in the towel after not getting a call driving against Yao. After that, the Rockets knew they couldn’t be stopped and proceeded to F the Blazers in the A.
Now if the Blazers can learn from this they should be able to bounce back.
The Good news is that Brandon proved he could get to the rim any time he wanted. Artest couldn’t stop him.
I must have been watching another game.
I saw roy take on 4 rockets with good position, single handily several times, and came out on the short end of stick.
Portland has come a long way, but I’m sure good teams know they can punk the blazers.
Houston certainly does.
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One thing I learned last night. Experience doesn’t make you any faster or stronger, and I don’t believe that it will make you a better shooter. Experience means you know how to manipulate officiating. Houston was perfect at that last night.
that's the point here
if you do not play competitively, manipulating the officials is a non-starter.
I don't think they manipulated it as much as they
were able to adjust to it.
I think the blazers:
-Missed a lot of shots they normally make.
-didn’t get any loose balls
-stood around on Def and Def Rebounding.
-it seemd like Roy was trying too hard to overcompensate for everyone else not showing up
They cut it down to 7 with a few minutes before the half. The rest of that half was Rockets manipulating the blazers.
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Man, this thread is the biggest bunch of homers...
I’m a blazer fan, but Houston was the better, tougher, more experienced, poised, better prepared, confident team. I could go on, but the refes had absolutely nothing to do with the game.
The blazer better man up, or its going to be a very shot series.
Zero fouls
for Ron Artest…Zero. Shane Battier 1 personal foul.
Rockets played amazing, Yao was out of this world, Brooks looked all world. That said the reffing was flipping atrocious in the first half. Blazers wouldn’t have won but give me a break.
Let me say it again. Ron Artest ZERO FOULS ZERO ZERO FOULS!!!!
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Poor offiiciating and Houston's defense are two different issues
and just together doesn’t mean nor is it implied that a causative relationship exists between the two. One isn’t necessarily dependent on the other so both can happen during the course of a game. Also just because a causative relationship may not exist, that doesn’t preclude a qualitative relationship from happening.
Viewing this only as a defensive issue or an officiating issue really gets you nowhere. Refusing to see the bigger picture makes both sides guilty of the dogma they are accusing the other side of.
There’s a reason why teams fight for homecourt advantage and it’s due to the home team getting the better of calls made by the refs. It’s probably the whole point of having homecourt in the first place. That’s why the regular season race is such an important thing, because that is the deciding factor in how you’re seated.
The simple fact of the matter is Houston has a number of strengths that make them a bad match up for the Blazers. With homecourt, specifically getting the advantage from the refs, Portland at least has a chance to make it competitive against Houston, without it Portland doesn’t have a chance.
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Apr 19, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
Good points
That’s all true.
The Blazers were going to lose that game no matter what officials were out there, even perfect robot officials. But with such a young team, and the randomness of the ref’s calls both ways. There were some headscratching no-calls the Blazers got away with, as well as the Rockets. But, because the Rockets have been to this dance before, they were able to ignore the officiating. The Blazers looked like a team that had never been in the postseason too. Which is kinda sad and frustrating given the way they closed the season.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
strange comment
Poor officiating and Houston’s defense are two different issues. and just together doesn’t mean nor is it implied that a causative relationship exists between the two.
But that is exactly what I am saying is that a causative relationship exists between the two. What are you giving a cryptic recap? If you want to refute, then refute, but summarizing and saying the contrary is a little strange.
Viewing this only as a defensive issue or an officiating issue really gets you nowhere.
Exactly why I wrote the post. To explain the connection between the two. But in your earlier comment you said there needn’t be. And now you are saying that gets you nowhere? A little strange.
There’s a reason why teams fight for homecourt advantage
And now you conclude, without ever having addressed the post, that the real causality is between homecourt and officiating, not good defense/ineffective offense and officiating as I was saying.
Kind of a strange comment, don’t you think? :)
Honestly, that was some of the most insane, idiotic junk I've ever heard spewed forth by a crowd at a ...
professional sporting event with the whole “you refs suck” chant. Y’know, it was as if those folks at the Rose Garden were plucked from some high school stuck in the hinterlands and thrown right on the biggest stage in theif lives. Next time, I suggest booing the home team — which deserved the disdain, particularly the soft LaMarcus Aldridge and the defensively overmatched Steve Blake — and lay off of the hard-working officials.
Yet another gem from AK1984
wow.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I apologize for not sugarcoating things in a sweet, homeristic fashion that's easily digestable for ...
some folks’ sensitive taste buds and easily upset stomachs. That just isn’t my style, nor will it ever be at any point. If you don’t like it, though, then that’s your perogative. According to the old adage, diversity is delightful.
Why apologize it's not like you actually mean it.
People can have a difference in opinion, it’s just sports, and I understand people get passionate about things. And there are times where I’ve said things in the heat of the moment that I later regret. But what you’re doing isn’t about sports.
This justification you give yourself by not “sugarcoating” things? That isn’t a license to be a jerk to others. Style isn’t about talking down or being condescending. Listen I get it, you consider yourself morally and intellectually superior to everyone else. That’s completely self evident from the tone of your posts.
You can say whatever you want, I don’t really care. But don’t sit there and try to justify what you’re doing by some need to be transparent with others.
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Apr 19, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I'm an amoral human being in several aspects of life. I don't deny that whatsoever.
Snarkiness aside, though, I’ve always prided myself on trying to not interject homerism into my analysis. Yes, I can sometimes be a jerk to some folks, but I mean neither harm nor any hard feelings by my brash, boorish attitude. Indeed, it’s nothing personal; rather, that’s just my style.
Now, with regards to transparency, I’m just a naturally blunt guy. Whether or not I’m justified in my poor attitude is subjective — since my nihilistic ways clearly shine through concerning the harsh, supposedly "condescending" manner in which I sometimes communicate with people online — and, as a result, up for debate.
Anyway, my main point here is to state openly that I’m not "morally superior" to nearly everyone — although there are exceptions (e.g., muderers, rapists, et al.) — however, I occasionally act in a snide, arrogant manner regarding my own inflated sense of intelligence over other people and whatnot. Now, while I’ll try a lot harder to keep my supersized ego in check, I can’t promise y’all anything.
I think AK likes big words
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXPIALIDOCIOUS!!!!
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Gesundheit.
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by haildablazer on Apr 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Never ever boo the home team
I don’t care how bad they are playing. You are there to support your team, booing them is ridiculous.
The “these refs suck” chant was also ridiculous, but if I had to choose between that and booing our team, I’d definitely choose that one. (Although I did not partake in it.)
The refs did not help themsleves
at the end of halftime when they came out and lined up evenly spaced out at the half court line facing the blazers warming up with their backs to the rockets, sort of symbolic for how the game seemed to go…
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"referees reward advantage"
I’ve never heard that phrase before, but I think it’s 100% correct. For example, if you get a step on your defender and he flails at you (making no contact) and you miss the shot, there’s probably going to be a whistle. But if you make that same drive and DON’T have a step on the defender, then even if he actually hits you, you’re unlikely to get the call.
As you say, the refs don’t actually see much of what happens. The play is moving too fast, the players are too big, and the refs are often out of position to see exactly what happened.
So they basically guess a lot. If you’ve gained an advantage and miss (or hit the shot while screaming like you’ve been shot), you’re likely to get the call. And of course, as we all know, it helps if you’re an all-star.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
So if that is true, how come Blazers had more points inside than the Rockets?
I assume its cuz they got the advantage going inside, and still the refs did not reward them with free throws?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
hmm
I think MJ popularized this one.
(or hit the shot while screaming like you’ve been shot),
also, that’s pretty amusing. Nice.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin McHale
was the best at that. We is one of the few people who got away with yelling F*ck on national TV unbleeped, he was loud when he was trying to draw a foul…
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From a Rocket fan myself, I can’t help but notice that he is the only one coming in here and talking smack, so please don’t assume all Houston fans can’t be gracious in victory due to one loud one.
Nothin’ but respect to the Blazers. We both hate the Jizz, I mean Jazz, and the L*kers. That’s enough to call you friends from my end.
Whats up man.
It all good he just elevated my mood.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
No worries from me
I’ve been spending some time over at the Dream Shake, and it’s all been pretty fair. Even the trolling commenters are pretty tame.
Of all the matchups for the Blazers, the Rockets had to be the worst, I see that now. But at the same time I think that for the Blazers overall growth in the next few years, this might be the best thing that could happen to them.
Intense, playoff basketball, against a team that is veteran, but not old (aka, spurs). If the Blazers can learn their lessons from this series if it’s a loss, they’ll be better in the future by leaps and bounds.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Your right about that its the best learning experiance for the Blazers, cuz Rockets are a bad match up for the Blazers.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
But without the bad blood.
Can you imagine Joel and Chandler for even four games straight?
Or the L*kers and Ariza?
Or the Nuggets?
(shudders)
This is an awful matchup for the Blazers because it negates out biggest regular-season advantage (Center) and expoits our biggest weakness (point guard D)
But I like the lessons the Blazers learned last night. I didn’t like the class, but the content was important.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh sure. Look at Hornets last year, they got to the second round, cuz the match ups were favorable to them.
So this year they did not learn and wanted to get rid of Tyson.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Good point
though there must be something the Hornet’s brass doesn’t like about Tyson “Kung-Fu Master” Chandler for them to want to get rid of a guy who plays like that.
I mean… Really, headcase or not, a 7 footer with that skillset is going to be desired. Especially the way he plays with Paul.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
same for yao.He is 7’’6 320+ but cant use it cause players flop and they get the call.Its not the same anymore.Yao has had to adjust taking away his advantages because of the refs.The differnece last night they didnt call the flops against yao
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Fatty?
Is that you?
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Man that guy just made some contradicting statements in that paragraph.
And he has the guts to call some one idiot. Man thats just funny.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Re: AK1984
Never.
Never, never, never.
Next time, I suggest booing the home team — which deserved the disdain, particularly the soft LaMarcus Aldridge and the defensively overmatched Steve Blake — and lay off of the hard-working officials.
Not even during the Jailblazer’s era did I boo the home team.
I will never boo the Blazers.
You keep talking here, constantly reminding us “how smart I am.” (you actually said just that. I’m not talking about the big words, I use big words, you use big words, your mom’s dog uses big words) I don’t sugarcoat my analysis. Am I biased towards the Blazers? Heck yeah. I’m an optimist. I always look at the upside, even when I’m down. But I don’t come on wildly proclaiming my superiority and making myself look like a jack-jerk.
Well, not much anyway.
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Boo the home team indeed.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We just won 54 games man!!!!!
Yeah, last night was a turd… but COME ON.
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by haildablazer on Apr 19, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, its playoff time
And Portland games doesn’t transfer that well to the playoffs, and those 54 wins mean nothing;
especially now that home court is gone.
In your opinion Blazers should of done what?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
So...
That’s your excuse for why we boo now?
A team expected to have to fight and claw for the 8th seed gets homecourt in the first round, and you’re going to boo them for it?
I’ll boo fair-weather fans before the Blazers.
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by haildablazer on Apr 20, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Nonsense.
Most of the games in the last month have been called in a tighter manner by the officials and Portland has been dominating.
What doesn’t transfer well is Yao around the basketball court.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Truthfully, the last time I actually booed somebody at a sporting event was Bret Boone around five ...
years ago or something. To be fair, though, I couldn’t stand that guy with a passion — for I referred to him as the “Vanilla Midget” back in the day — so it wasn’t like my frustration was directed toward the team.
Regarding the topic at hand, however, my main point is that Rose Garden fans booing the referees came off to me as them unfairly displacing their anger. Rather than take out their angst on the officiating crew of all people, they should’ve just kept quiet or properly directed their boos toward the players who failed that night in an epic fashion.
How can you boo such a nice group of people?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I can understand booing Shweed.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Like I said, the likelihood of me actually booing had I attended the game would've been next ...
to nil. Besides, my modus operandi in that situation would be to complain to my friends about the team’s poor performance and swear up a storm. Indeed, spewing vulgarities is a great way to let off steam.
See you would just swear up a storm cuz you see it more as our team sucked.
But some fans think that refs had to do with their loss too.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I think the Blazers sucked big time last night.
Especially I wanted to smack LMA, Outlaw, and sometimes at Blake and Sergio that they could not get the ball inside to Oden. He and Roy were the only bright spots. But refs sucked too so I have natural anger at them too. Why should I reserve my anger towards bad refs.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
When you were five? That's a lot of hate for someone so young.
Gooood… GOOOD…. Release your Anger!
Let the power of the Dark Side flow through you!
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by haildablazer on Apr 20, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The refs rewarded the team that was ready to play like MEN in the playoffs. We were not that team.
Houston was banging, being aggressive, cutting, boxing out, driving, dishing, swishing, and dominating. We were shellshocked and reacting. The calls usually goes the direction of the aggressor, and that’s exactly what happened. The problem is that the tone was set so early, we never had a chance to get back into the game. When we tried to match their physicality, the calls went against us, I think because the refs were just expecting us to be at fault. They’ve never seen us in the playoffs before. If we can come out Tuesday and look them in the eye and be aggressive, I don’t think the calls will be so one-sided.
That's cuz the Blazers ARE kids, really
Houston is a veteran team. Not old like the Spurs, and not inconsistent like the Hornets. They pretty much play the game the same every single time.
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by haildablazer on Apr 20, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
To me the refs rewarded the team they expected to perform better period.
In the first few minutes of the game they were trying to play. They were forcing things inside when they probably shouldn’t have, but as guys were getting hacked by 6 or more arms that was the Houston defense in the middle, the refs did nothing.
I’d love to know what the percentage of shots the Blazers take near the basket usually don’t even hit the rim when they aren’t being held or wacked at, because most of those didn’t get close, and some never made it to the level of the basket at all.
Apparently that’s just Brandon’s and LaMarcus’ new style!
Brandon should have signed his son’s loaded diaper and handed it to the lead official after the game. “You seem to enjoy it so much, I thought I’d contribute.”
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I agree, mostly
But I don’t think that 10 different ref crews would have called it the same way. I DO feel we that THIS crew had their agenda on one thing…Blazers need to lose,(the NBA is seeing dollar signs from a Bryant vs. James final). If the Blazers win this series, it is so very possible, and likely, that they could take the series from LA in, I’d say, 6. We came into these playoffs as the hottest team in the league, except for maybe Dallas. (I almost wish we had lost to Denver. Wouldn’t we have gotten San Antonio at home? I’ll take that chance.) Anyhow, Lakers are worried about meeting us. All we would need is one win in LA, which would so happen. But back to reality. We didn’t lose by 30 because of the refs. We lost because we so, so, sucked. Who were these strangers on the court? No one I had seen before. Nobody stepped up. Brandon did what he could, but even he was lack luster. I cried last night, but have faith that Nate is doing his thing and Tuesday will be a completely different story. I, also, blame myself. Didn’t wear my lucky shirt to the game. The one that hasnt lost a game since I bought it a month ago. This will never happen again, so we are good! And as a final note, what I want to say is, ’play Battum!". He is our future. (him and Rudy). Mark my words.
This is dillusional...
if you honestly think that Stern and the rest of the NBA has some sort of collusion going on with the refs to get Portland out in the first round because the Lakers are “worried about meeting us” then you might want to get your head checked.
I understand that you admit that the Blazers played poorly and all that but I would be more willing to hear some sort of argument against crooked officiated for the purposes of gambling (which has already happened recently) than some crackpot theory.
Also, playing Batum more in this series is probably the last thing McMillan is going to do. He is way to weak to guard Artest (as Tayshaun Prince can tell you) and if he’s not guarding Artest he would be matched up against Battier who is a very not exactly known for his offensive skills.
Basically, the only reason Batum should be on the court for extended periods of time (at this point in his career) is to guard wing scorers (the Kobes, Ben Gordons, or Ray Allen’s of the world.) Other than that, his offensive skills are very limited and the team is at a much better advantage giving Outlaw more minutes.
given that the Rocket's Troller has posted here 9 straight times
I’m going to call this thread at 8:09 pm
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