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One of the best things about seeing the Blazers beat the Nuggets Wednesday night (besides the actual drubbing, that is) was that it was finally the end of the 82-game season and more particularly the end of the lengthy seeding run-downs.  The seeds were determined.  Finally I could avoid the hours-in-the-writing, meticulously-crafted, detailed explanations intended to alleviate (or at least mitigate) all of the confusion.  It was clear!  It was finished!  It was there in black and white for everyone to see!  End of story.

Or so I thought.

I take one day driving home from Seattle and what do I arrive to?  A mailbox crammed with thirty-two variations of, "The league made a mistake!  The Blazers should be third!"

After the first one I was like, "Huh."

After the third one I was all, "Huh?"

After number twenty-eight I'm losing what remains of my hair.  Canzano and Jaynes are soon to have company if this keeps up.

I'm not trying to slam anyone who is still confused.  The rules are poorly publicized, seldom invoked, and somewhat befuddling when read.  Here is the best explanation I can give you of what went down in its entirety, plus the exact mistakes I see people making when they say something went wrong.  This includes important information about stuff you may have read elsewhere.  If you're confused or upset still, please read carefully.  If you're not, please read carefully anyway so you can talk your friends who are baffled off of the ledge.

The records 1-5 in the West finished thus:

  • L.A. L*kers  65-17
  • Denver, San Antonio, and Portland tied at 54-28
  • Houston  53-29

The obvious problem here is that Denver, San Antonio, and Portland are tied.  Since there are three teams involved, to resolve this tie we look at multi-team tiebreaking criteria.  Here they are:

  • 1.  Division Winner
  • 2.  Best Head-to-Head Record Among All Three Teams
  • 3.  Best Record in Division (if teams are in same division)
  • 4.  Best Record in Conference
  • Etc...

Error #1:  Some people are getting faulty information.  Much of it is coming from NBA.com itself.  If you've been relying on this article your information is two years old.  Forget it.  Division Winner has since been added as the #1 tiebreaker in both two-team and multi-team ties.  Before this week that was the newest information you could find on NBA.com.  That doesn't make it right.  The same website has made a similar gaffe on this page.  Right below the matchups they list Division Winner as the #1 way a tie can be resolved.  But further down they omit the criterion both of their tiebreaker lists.  I've tried and tried to see what they're doing and it's going to take a better man than I to figure it out, other than to say it's just a mistake.  I, myself, did not know about this rule change until it was brought to my attention by some people farther inside than I.  I don't know why it wasn't published (or at least reaffirmed) officially.  But it's there and it's active, as you can see by the results.  Check ESPN.com, CBS Sportsline, YahooSports...they'll have it correct, as does this site.

So then, Tiebreaker #1 is Division Winner.  San Antonio is clearly one.  File that away for later use.  But who won the Northwest Division since Portland and Denver finished tied at the top of it?  This Portland-Denver tie has to be resolved before we can know who fulfills the first criterion of the multi-team tiebreaker.  Put aside the original question of how the three teams sort out.  We don't know the answer to that until we know who won the Northwest.

Unlike the big tie we're trying to resolve, this one is NOT between multiple teams.  This is a TWO-TEAM TIE to be resolved solely between Denver and Portland and solely for the purposes of determining a division winner.  Forget any question but that.

Here are the two-team criteria:

  • 1. Division Winner
  • 2. Head-to-Head Record
  • 3. Division Record (if teams are in the same division)
  • 4. Conference Record
  • Etc.

We don't know the division winner, as that is the issue we're trying to resolve here.  So the first criterion is a wash.  Portland and Denver went 2-2 against each other.  The second criterion is also a tie.  Denver's division record is 12-4.  Portland's is 11-5.  Denver comes out ahead.  So we STOP NOW.  The first tiebreaker that favors one team over the other stops the process and determines the winner.  Denver has won the division.

Error #2:  The Blazers were announced as "co-division champions" after they beat Denver on Wednesday night.  This is correct in an honorary sense.  The Blazers finished with the same record as the Nuggets.  Portland will be able to hang a banner to that effect if they wish.  However nice it sounds, though, there can't be co-seed holders.  You can't both play the Hornets at the same time.  One team or another must get the edge.  The edge went to Denver by winning the tiebreaker we just ran.  No matter what nice things you want to say about the Blazers, the Nuggets are the sole division champions for seeding and tiebreaker purposes.

So now we know that San Antonio and Denver are division winners.  Now we can return to the multi-team tiebreaker.

You will recall the first criterion is division winner.  Denver and San Antonio are.  Portland is not.  Therefore both Denver and San Antonio hold the edge over Portland.  And again, we STOP THERE.  Portland is out of the tie, finishing third among the three by virtue of being eliminated by the first tiebreaker.

We are now left with an unresolved tie between the two division winners, Denver and San Antonio.  Once again, this has become a two-team tie, as Portland is now out of the process.  The two-team rules are invoked.  The first criterion is division winner, which both are.  That's a wash.  The second criterion is head-to-head record against each other.  Denver won the series with San Antonio 2-1.  Therefore Denver wins the head-to-head tie with San Antonio.

Errors #3 and #4:  The second tiebreaker in the multi-team rules is head-to-head record among the multiple teams.  Some people are trying to invoke this, as Portland has a better head-to-head record among all three teams than either of the others.  This actually involves two simultaneous errors.  First the people forget to STOP THERE once Portland is eliminated from the tie by the first criterion.  They want to charge on to the second criterion when the first already says Portland has lost.  The tiebreakers go in order.  The ones on top trump the ones below.  Once any criterion resolves the tie, it's done.  The Blazers could have an 8-0 record versus San Antonio and Denver.  If the Blazers didn't win the division it doesn't mean squat in this context.  Second, when they continue they want to keep the tie as a three-way when it's now just two teams, Denver and San Antonio.  They don't properly switch to the two-team rules when the tie gets down to two teams.  In essence they're trying to allow the Blazers a backdoor.  The first mutli-team criterion says Portland is out of the tie, below the other two.  But if you can just...get...to...the...second multi-team criterion the Blazers come out ahead!  But that second criterion is never invoked in this situation.  It's meaningless.  The process never gets there.  The tie is multi-team only until Portland gets factored out.  Then it becomes a two-team tie and Portland isn't either of those teams.

So now our tie is resolved.  Both Denver and San Antonio finish ahead of Portland by virtue of having won the division (via the first criterion under multi-team rules).  Denver finishes ahead of San Antonio by winning the head-to-head battle (via the second criterion under two-team rules).

We are now ready to figure out the actual seedings.

The NBA rule says that the top four seeds in a conference will be the three division winners plus the one team that finishes with the best record among non-division winners.  Here are the records again, this time with division winners starred:

  • Los Angeles  65-17*
  • Denver 54-28*
  • San Antonio 54-28*
  • Portland  54-28
  • Houston  53-29

The three division winners are clear.  Portland has the best record of non-division-winners, edging out Houston.  So your top four seeds will be L.A., Denver, San Antonio, and Portland.  But not necessarily in that order!

After the top four seeds are determined, they are ordered by regular season record.  Being a division winner doesn't matter here!  If a team had 60 wins in this field but wasn't the division winner (maybe because they were in the same division as L.A.) that team would get the #2 seed even though they didn't win their division and two other teams behind them did.

But guess what?  In this case Portland, Denver, and San Antonio finished with identical records.  How do you determine who's ahead?  The same tiebreaker system you just went through.  What does that tiebreaker system say?  The same thing it said before.  The order of finish is Denver-San Antonio-Portland.

Note again that the division winner status does not outright give a team advantage in the top four seeding order.  It's done by regular season record.  But in the case of a tie between two or more teams division winner is STILL the #1 CRITERION in the TIEBREAKER.  Because there is a tie AND ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS A TIE, being the division winner gives the Nuggets and Spurs the advantage over Portland.  That's not a seeding rule, it's a tiebreaker rule.  And it just so happened that this year's seeding process involved tiebreakers.

Error #5:  Some people are doing some weird mumbo-jumbo where they try to invoke the "no division winner advantage in top-four seeding" rule to show why the Blazers should finish ahead of San Antonio or Denver.  That's no good.  Even though there's no advantage to division winners in determining the order of the top four seeds there is still an advantage to division winners when determining who finishes ahead in a tie.

Yes, the Blazers finished with a 3-1 advantage against San Antonio in their season series.  But that's still the second criterion in the tiebreaking process.  The first is still division winner.  And San Antonio still wins via that criterion.  The tiebreaking process didn't magically change just because it's being used in this context. 

Again:  The seeding rule says there's no outright advantage to division winners in determining seeds.  That doesn't eliminate division winner as the first criterion in any tiebreaker!  The seeding rule doesn't change or affect the tiebreaking rules at all.  If there's a tie, the tiebreaking process still gives the division winner an advantage.

Another way to look at it is this:  This year the tiebreaker system was needed to answer the question that the seeding system asks, namely, "Who finished with the superior record?"  According to the tiebreakers Denver finished with a superior 54 wins to San Antonio and both of them finished with a superior 54 wins to Portland.  

So...Denver wins all overall ties for purposes of determining record, San Antonio finishes behind Denver but ahead of Portland, Portland finishes behind both others.  Thus the final standings look like this:

  • 1.  Los Angeles
  • 2.  Denver
  • 3.  San Antonio
  • 4.  Portland
  • 5.  Houston

No mistakes, no sleight-of-hand, just some semi-complicated rules being invoked in a straightforward manner.

Now please, for the love of God, let me get through at least another few weeks without having to type the word "criterion" again.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Thank you Dave.

You definitely spoil us with your hard work and knowledge.

Go Blazers!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooooot Wooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!

by broyposse on Apr 16, 2009 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Great but...

…aren’t we 54-28?

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Bah!

A technicality! (C=

Fixed.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 16, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've been busy.

It happens.

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least I had the right teams tied

No “Utah” in there this time!

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 16, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has been the a strange year.

I’ve seen some tight races before but this one has all kinds of criss-crossing tie-breakers. Tom Penn should study those rules for a year. We’d always end up on top — somehow…

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"

by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want it

let Denver hang their banner, claim their division title, and go get themselves knocked out in the 1st or 2nd round. Heck, maybe they will even get drubbed in the WCF. I care not.

I rest easy knowing two things:
1) It will be the last division title they claim for a few seasons or so, unless the NBA realligns and gives them the good fortune of not being in our division any more
2) We have our eventual sights set MUCH higher than a division title.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh....

I sure as hell want it. I was a season ticket holder this year. When I go to games in the future I want to look at something to remind me of that.

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 16, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

you need a banner to remind you of this season?

I don’t think I’ll ever forget it.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not just for us.

But for future fans who should be aware of this team. Of course, a banner alone won’t do that and isn’t required to — but still.

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy Howdy!

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by bforsythe on Apr 17, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think we should

we are co division champs either way you split it…just not for the purpose of seeding.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Apr 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it looks small-time

and a bit desperate. Like we think “hey, we better really stretch the definition here, who knows when we may get another chance to hang one of these awesome and NW Division Champs banners”

Act like you’ve been there before, and like you plan to go back again and again and again. That’s what I say.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may have a point...

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, we tied for the best record.

And lost the tiebreaker which has been put in place to, well, break ties.

Saying we are co-champs and ignoring the tiebreaker would be like saying we were co-winners of the game in Cleveland, because we tied, ignoring the extra period.

by TimG on Apr 17, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not at all

The tiebreaker is only for seeding in the playoffs. You can’t both be the 3rd seed and play the 6th seed. Division winner has nothing to do with tiebreakers and everything to do with overall record and head to head records.

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 17, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know where this idea came from.

Where does it ever say “tiebreaker is only for the purpose of seeding in the playoffs”?

First time I have ever heard of this idea. The first tiebreaker this year is, after all, “division winner” which is Denver, not “division winner unless there are two in which case go through the two team tiebreakers in order to determine a winner but BOTH teams are really winners we are just deciding this for playoff seeding.”

Nope. It is simply “division winner.” That’s how it should be. I don’t like ties.

by TimG on Apr 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

lollllllllllllllllll

No you don’t, you lost the division. Better luck next year!

by BeefySwats on Apr 17, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

look at college football

had OSU won in the civil war this year…they would have shared the pac 10 title with USC..but won the tie breaker and would have gone to the rosebowl.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Apr 16, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

this isn't college football

the NBA plays 82 games, 16 division games, and 4 games against each division rival. not 9 games total. tying in a 9-game schedule is vastly different than tying in 82 games. For one, it’s MUCH more likely to occur, and there are many less opportunites to break the tie.

and I never liked that co-champions garbage. Think USC would have felt like the “co champs”?. Back in the early 2000s, Washington, Oregon, and OSU all tied as pac 10 co-champs. UW got the Rose, OSU the Fiesta and I think Oregon ended up in San Diego. Think they felt like “co champs”. It’s a silly invention so people who come up just short can somehow try to convince themselves they didn’t.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

who cares what sport it is

whichever team has the best winning % is the division/conference/league or whatever champs. sure they scenarios you mentioned may have favored some teams over others in the post season, but it doesnt take away from the fact that in the regular season, they all shared the best record.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Apr 16, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with you here.

Denver won the Division. We did not.

by TimG on Apr 17, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's very small time.

The Celts ONLY hang championship banners, they don’t even hang conference title banners. I’m pretty sure the Lakers do the same thing. The Blazers already look like a joke with all those retired numbers, no need to hang more superfluous banners.

by erastus25 on Apr 17, 2009 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 1987 Colorado Rockies squeaked-into the playoffs

as a wild card. They proudly displayed a pennant that read: “1987 Wild Card Champions.”

by MiledAnimal on Apr 17, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I get it, but my head still hurts after reading this post.

by lethaldose on Apr 16, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh-heh.

this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at Least a Couple of Seasons"

by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need to show this to the many dumb people

who make their facebook status: “blazers got screwed!!!” “we are really the 3rd seed
and other mumbo-jumbo.

I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.

by Claire on Apr 16, 2009 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

everyone is a conspiracy theorist these days

Stern is out to get us.
Bush mastermined 911.
Lee Harvey Oswald was not the lone gunman.
Oil companys are gouging.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Apr 16, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of lame conspiracy theorist would blame 9/11 on George W. Bush?

A knowledgable conspiracy theorist would pinpoint 9/11 on the New World Order.

by AK1984 on Apr 17, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's not

get into this line of discussion.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 17, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not huge on conspiracy theories, but there are some that have more substance than ...

others; hence, the intellect of those who believe in the lame-brained ones versus the relatively more well-thought-out ones is a fair assertion. Of course, that line of thinking could be applied to nearly any subject matter — such as something more innocuous like, oh, whether or not the outcome of Super Bowl XL was rigged by the NFL — but that’s neither here nor there.

by AK1984 on Apr 17, 2009 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you ever notice all conspiracy theorists are men?

I think that’s because men think more. Alone. While women instantly discuss their ideas with their girlfriends. And then quickly realize “girl what a dumb idea”. I believe in all your theories btw.

Greg Oden = Robert Parish (HOF, 4x NBA champion, 9x NBA All-Star). The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946.

by Norsktroll on Apr 17, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

its all about twitter now

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Apr 16, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you take the test

to find out what Blazer you are?

I’m BROY:
You are an All-Star. You are cool under pressure, well-balanced and a true performer. You save the best for last. When things look bleak, you refuse to let it hold you back. Yet for all that, you might still be a little under-appreciated. Don’t worry; you’re a winner.

by levelhed on Apr 16, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Good stuff.

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions  

whoops

…meant as a response to levelhed right above me there.

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by bforsythe on Apr 16, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

NBA.com standings by conference page

it seems their programmers never got around to recoding the standings logic to include the new to this season without being announced division winner tiebreaker – we are showing up 3rd in the West, likely due to the fact that we beat the Spurs 3-1, which was the previous to this season first tiebreaker.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Also, don't try to say it isn't fair.

It’s a tie. Any way you decide it is fair, because all the teams have equally good records. The tie breaking rules are arbitrary, but that’s the best they can be.

by pualo on Apr 16, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

yep

the rules are what they are. We had plenty of opportunities to own more tie breakers, we came up just short.

personally, im in favor of doing away with NBA divisions altogether since we already play a balanced conference schedule they serve no purpose at all other than as a meaningless device. Just rank each conference 1-15, and the tiebreakers will be head to head, then conference record, then whatever comes after that now.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stern's a lawyer

and he should know that when a rule says playoff positions are determined by using the criteria BELOW, that you don’t use the criteria listed ABOVE, which is what they have done. But, it depends on what the exact official language says. Is the division winner phrase official? Who knows if the websites – even the nba’s own sites – are right, compared to some book somewhere.

by crosley57 on Apr 16, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

this is the bottom line

poor communication of the true tie breaker rules and outdated web content.

I have little doubt that all the team officials knew EXACTLY what the situation was

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still have home court in WCF?

IF WE meet the Spurs they don’t get home court because of division right?

"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein

by Garden of ODEN on Apr 16, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

There is no re-seeding in the playoffs

We only get home court vs the hornets, jazz, mavs, rockets.

by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 16, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't get homecourt because they won the division

Homecourt is determined by record only.

However they DO get homecourt because their record is better than ours, as determined by a tiebreaker, the first criterion of which says (in essence) “Division winners win ties.”

That is my understanding anyway and I have yet to see anything that contradticts it. The reason we’re behind the Spurs right now is only and solely the outcome of a tiebreaker. The outcome of that tiebreaker is not going to change no matter how far the two teams advance.

They do NOT get homecourt because they’re a division winner and we’re not and that’s how homecourt is determined. They DO get homecourt because they’re a division winner and we’re not and that’s how ties are broken. Had we beaten them by one game and/or won our own division with the 54 wins we achieved we would have homecourt and not the Spurs.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 17, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you Dave,
what an amazing work you do!!! If there’s still someone who don’t understand this … it won’t be your fault!

by Manu on Apr 17, 2009 3:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I'll add one more - Thanks Dave!

One quick question:
In the unlikely event that SA and Portland meet in the conference finals who will have homecourt advantage? Do the seeding tiebreakers also apply to homecourt advantage tie-breakers? I only ask because I know that seeds are ignored in favor of records in playoff matchups (e.g. a 5 seed with a better record than a 4 seed will get homecourt).

by erastus25 on Apr 17, 2009 5:01 AM PDT reply actions  

To the best of my knowledge

Tiebreakers will not change for any reason. If a tie goes in the Spurs’ favor it will always go in the Spurs’ favor. There aren’t two sets of tiebreaking rules covering the same tie. There’s the two-team tie rules and the multi-team tie rules, each applied properly, and that’s it. And both sets of tie rules say San Antonio beats Portland this year.

I could be wrong about that, as we’ve not seen this situation and the league plays things close to the vest, but I don’t think I am. You won’t see things overturned. In the case of a tie the team that’s ahead stays ahead every time you’d need to break a tie.

People are getting SO CONFUSED about this division winner thing and how it affects the homecourt advantage and seeding in the top four. The answer is that beyond determining who the top four seeds will be it does not affect either top four order or homecourt advantage at all EXCEPT that it’s the first criterion used to break ties. This year you have to break ties for almost everything involving the Blazers in the playoffs. So this year it’s playing a huge role. That’s not because of any intrinsic power the division win has, rather it’s because of all of the tiebreakers necessary.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 17, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Dave!

That’s what I figured, but you never know…

by erastus25 on Apr 17, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but this is not that confusing.

The rules here are pretty cut and dry, and no, I’ve never been to law school.

All I can say is Thank You Dave for being smarter than all those sites you linked, nba.com, and a good number of “analysts” I’ve heard talk about this issue.

I really do think that my head will explode if people keep bringing this issue up.

by Zaig on Apr 17, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Now please, for the love of God, let me get through at least another few weeks without having to type the word “criterion” again.

I guess this means you won’t be ordering any Kurosawa or Truffaut or Bergman or Fellini Director’s Cut DVDs for a while…

(sorry, obscure movie geek reference here)

by DonkeyShins on Apr 17, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope the Blazers have more wins than anyone

in the West next year so Dave can move-on to bigger and better things, like moderating thank-you fanposts.

by MiledAnimal on Apr 17, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank you Miled

Tonight felt like the day you open the mail and receive an acceptance letter to your dream school: the University of Playoffs. - Ben Golliver, Apr 15 2009

by 22baylor on Apr 17, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I propose this change....

The 1st tie breaker should go to the richest owner.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Apr 17, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Blazer/Spur HCA

Dave you’re mistaken in the way you are interpreting the instructions.

Your quote about tie breaking refers to seeding and the sorts of ties possible within seeding determinations. I suspect Dallas to win that series though so we will not find out.

DIV Title alone can not confer an advantage to another team from another division with an equal record because schedules vary from division to division. Also, the way you have to skip past the first alternative in the algorithm reflects this indirectly.

Portland wins HCA over Spurs based on head to head. Do not apply seeding tie break rules to the HCA rule. It does not change.

by OllieTheFrog on Apr 18, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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Greg Oden Suffers Life-Ending Injury; Gets 3-Year Extension

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It's pretty clear that the season is over already ;)
Double rainbow of sadness:

1) JBay is getting shorter
2) We never got to see him with a mustache

I miss you tiny raptor man.

via The Basketball Jones http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/02/09/things-of-note-for-february-9-2012/#more-34561
Blazers Broadcasters Mike Barrett and Mike Rice re-enacted NBA referee Scott Foster's controversial goaltending call on Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, who was defending Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star forward Kevin Durant, during this week's edition of Blazers Courtside. Remarkably, no one was injured during the taping of this segment.

Original video of the play here. 
Quotes from the players and coaches here. 
The NBA admitting it got the call wrong here. 
Dave's  extended thoughts here. 
BlazersMakr's FanShot: Major Vegas action on OKC prior to tip here. 
Audio of Chad Doing of 750 AM The Game going HAM on Foster here.

OK, that should just about wrap up the goaltending discussion.

Courtside video via Blazers Broadcasting cameraman John Curry.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
In 2008 Tim Donaghy indicated that Scott Foster was a ref that also fixed games
Blazers Owner Paul Allen Ranked No. 3 American Philanthropist In 2011

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