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Playoff Seeding Update: Danny Crawford's Crew Blows Call, Costs Kings and Possibly Blazers

The big news in the standings race tonight was that San Antonio nearly lost to a surprisingly fiery team in Sacramento.  Without Tim Duncan the Spurs had a hard time matching the Kings' intensity.  Sacramento led most of the game but San Antonio caught up at the end.  With the scored tied at 92 the Spurs had what looked to be the final possession.  Tony Parker dribbled the clock down and got it to Michael Finley on the right wing for a three.  Finley's shot went in but it was clearly released after the 24-second clock had expired, perhaps by a half second or so.  None of the officiating crew made the call and the bucket stood.  By rule the play was not reviewable despite a Kings' timeout immediately following giving ample opportunity to do so.  Instead of having the ball with the game tied and 3 seconds or so to work with Sacramento was down 3 with 1.3 seconds left.  The tying shot fell far short and the Spurs walked away with a win.

Of course there's no telling if the Kings would have made that final shot had the game been tied so we can't say definitively that the error cost them the game, but it still should not have been made.

The upshot of this is that the Spurs are now tied with the Rockets and Blazers instead of potentially being down a game.

In other news the Hornets beat the Mavericks today.  The standings now look like this:

  • 2.  Denver 53-27 (Sacramento, @Portland)
  • 3.  San Antonio 52-28 (@Golden State, New Orleans)
  • 4.  Houston 52-28  (New Orleans, @Dallas)
  • 5.  Portland 52-28 (Oklahoma City, Denver)
  • 6.  New Orleans 49-31  (@Houston, @San Antonio)
  • 7.  Dallas 48-32 (Minnesota, Houston)
  • 8.  Utah  47-33 (Clippers, @L*kers)

Note that at this point the Blazers' demotion to 5th place is a technicality, though it may not remain so.

As we explained earlier in the week, the resolution of a three-way tie falls out like this:

If the Spurs win the division:  San Antonio, Houston, Portland

If the Rockets win the division:  Houston, Portland, San Antonio

The Rockets and Spurs have tied head-to-head this year.  The next tiebreaker between them is division record.  San Antonio has played one more game against the division so far than has Houston.  The Spurs stand at 9-6, the Rockets 8-6.  That's why San Antonio is 3rd right now and Portland 5th.   Since both teams have 6 losses, however, the Spurs aren't really ahead until Houston loses another divsion game.  If they both finish with 6 division losses Houston would actually win the resultant tie because of a later tiebreaker.  So the Spurs are actually behind Houston until Houston loses, no matter what the standings say right now.

The main thing for the Blazers to concentrate on right now is winning out.  As long as the Blazers do that there's no way in which they can finish behind the Spurs.  In order to match Portland's record and invoke a tiebreaker both Houston and San Antonio would have to win out as well.  If that happens Houston would take the division, leaving Portland and San Antonio to duke it out in a tiebreaker...a fight which Portland wins by virtue of its head-to-head success against the Spurs.

The Potential Four-Way Tie

Many of you have been wondering what happens if there is a four-way tie between Denver, Houston, San Antonio, and Portland for the 2-5 spots.  There are a couple of different possibilities.  We're only going to deal with the most likely one tonight, which is everybody winning out except for Denver's one loss in Portland.  The other involves everybody else losing one while Denver loses two, which is not only unlikely, the potential outcome changes depending on which games Houston and San Antonio would lose.  We're not going to deal with that until it happens.

Here is my understanding of what happens if all four teams tie with a 54-28 record.  Keep in mind that this situation is unprecedented and the league doesn't do a very good job of sharing its policies, so there's always a chance for error.  But I'm pretty confident on this.

In a four-way tie the rules for multi-team tiebreakers are invoked.  These are:

  • 1.  Division winners finish on top.
  • 2.  Best head-to-head record among the teams involved.
  • 3.  Highest winning percentage in division IF the teams are in the same division.
  • 4.  Highest winning percentage in the conference.
  • 5.  Highest winning percentage against conference playoff teams.
  • 6.  Highest point differential.

Keep in mind that the top-most difference ends the process.  If the tie is broken at Step 2 then Step 6 is never invoked.

Here's another key concept:  Division winners are determined before any other tiebreaking criteria are applied. 

And yet one more:  If a multi-team tie gets reduced to a two-team tie at any point because of these criteria, the two-team tiebreakers are invoked instead.

This is important, because after the division winners are determined it's no longer a true four-team race, but rather two races of two teams:  division winners versus each other, non-division winners versus each other. 

The criteria for resolving a tie between two potential division winners fall under the two-team rules.  They are:

  • 1.  Division Winner
  • 2.  Head-to-Head record.
  • 3.  Higher winning percentage in division (if in same division)
  • 4.  Higher winning percentage in conference
  • 5.  Higher winning percentage against playoff teams in conference.
  • Etc. (won't be invoked)

Thus in the event of a four-way tie Portland and Denver would go head-to-head under these criteria to determine the Northwest Division winner, Houston and San Antonio the Southwest.

Portland vs. Denver

Obviously the division winner criterion wouldn't apply, as that's what we're determining.  In the case of a 54-win tie Portland would have beaten Denver in the final game of the season and thus the two teams would be tied head-to-head.  Denver, however, would have finished 12-4 versus the Northwest Division while the Blazers would have finished 11-5.  (Drat that first Thunder loss!)  Therefore Denver would win the division by virtue of taking the 3rd tiebreaker.

Houston vs. San Antonio

The Spurs and Rockets would finish with identical records head-to-head, against the division, and against the conference.  However Houston would have finished with a 15-12 record against Western Playoff teams while San Antonio ended up with a paltry 12-13.  Therefore Houston would win the division by virtue of taking the 5th tiebreaker.

Next the two division winners go head-to-head while the non-division winners do the same. 

Denver vs. Houston

The two teams are both division winners, so the first tiebreaker is a wash.  Houston owns a 3-1 regular season advantage over Denver, so Houston would win this tiebreaker and the 2nd seed in the West while Denver got the 3rd.

Portland vs. San Antonio

The first tiebreaker is a wash here as well.  Portland owns a 3-1 regular season advantage over San Antonio, so Portland would win the second tiebreaker and claim the 4th seed, San Antonio the 5th.

Final Seeding Results of a Four-Way Tie at 54 Wins: 

  • 2.  Houston
  • 3.  Denver
  • 4.  Portland
  • 5.  San Antonio

Again the take-away point for the Blazers is to win their remaining games.  As long as they do that they cannot lose homecourt advantage in the first round.  The bad call against Sacramento won't matter.  Nothing any other team does can make their position worse.  Right now the Blazers control their own destiny, at least as far as getting a top four seed.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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We're not the only ones who get hosed by the refs on occasion....

Clearly, San Antonio has most favored nation status with Stern’s crew of monkeys…at least over Sac.

It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 12, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

yup portland never gets ref benefit of the doubt

not like we ever had 6 people on the court for a posession

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Apr 13, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching this live, it was ridiculous.

Not even close to getting the shot off before the buzzer went off. It was very strange that they counted it. You would think after the big scandal, they would make everything possible reviewable.

Why wouldn’t a shot clock violation not be subject to review? It makes absolutely no sense.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Apr 13, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just want a Blazers/Spurs series...

Blazers v Spurs w/ Blazers w/ HCA, and it is a 5 game series at most. If the Spurs end up w/ HCA, it’s a 6-7 game series, but Rip City prevails…

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix

by philly420pdxhilo on Apr 13, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank You Dave!!!!

There is so much confusion and misinformation on what happens in the event of the three way tie and you have done an awesome job (as usual) of clarifying it all! You have also lowered by blood pressure considerably about the hose job endured by our neighbors in Sacramento! I still feel very bad for the Kings and their fans, they were robbed of an opportunity to put a nice memory at the end of a tough season. The NBA desperately needs to look at this situation and allow for shot clock violations to be reviewed in the final 2 minutes of a game!!!

by krollb on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks, I have been trying to figure this out since we beat the spurs

Sounds like we control our own destiny, we just got to win and it will fall in place for us. Pretty much the theme of the season

by svlittle on Apr 13, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions  

how likely is it that Sac will avenge its loss tonight by beating Denver tomorrow?

I know the chances are slim, but I still haven’t give up the hope of NW division title…

"...Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

by Teri on Apr 13, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I would actually have felt better

if the Kings had played poorly tonight. I figure like a moth diving into a flame, they had one brilliant flash left. I think they just used it up.

There’s always hope though.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 13, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of the benefits of Sacramento losing that game...

Is that they locked up the worst record in the league. No matter what happens now, they are guaranteed the most ping pong balls in the draft lottery. While the saying normally goes, “Playing like they have nothing to lose” For the Kings, they no longer have anything win from playing to lose

For Kings fans, every loss up until now has been bitter-sweet. You hate to see the team lose, but each loss puts them in a potentially better position for the future. Now, each loss is just bitter. We could see a ferocity this Kings team hasn’t shown in a long time.

by Salem Stephen on Apr 13, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm

I could see them being angry and making it a game
but I could also see them being emotionally wrecked after losing on a technicality and get blown out

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Apr 13, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Kings are also dumbfounded - and looking forward to the draft lottery

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/4/12/832410/its-magic

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by Norsktroll on Apr 13, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it's amazing that none of the three refs caught the shot clock violation

I’ve seen refs with laser eyes call a ticky-tack foul in traffic when it seems like their view would be obstructed.

It seems like 3 pairs of eyes and ears (shot clock buzzer) should have been enough. It was only a half second difference, but it was fairly clear. I won’t be too hard on the refs though. It was a split second thing at the end of a close game and calling it the other way and being wrong is a lot worse than letting it go. I don’t think the refs were being negligent or were doing a poor job, you either catch it or you don’t. I’m just surprised none of them caught it.

I do think the league should consider reviewing the play and potentially have the teams replay the final 3 seconds and OT if necessary. It was a game changing play with clear video evidence. Well, it was MORE than a game changing play as this could have a major effect on playoff seeding, including a division championship.

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Apr 13, 2009 2:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Use The Technology

In this technology filled world we are still depending on a referee to make such a critical call. I agree with Magnum that these laser eyed refs can spot a touch foul under the basket from mid court, but none of then saw how late this shot was.
Instead of reviewing every 24 sec call only those in the last 2 minutes of the quarter can be reviewed. Along with this let’s lose the buzzer (True Old School) since the back board lights turn red/orange at the end of each quarter why not wire a set of blue lights to signify a 24 shot violation. I know that may scare people like Zach R. and Charles Barkley, but this would make it easy to review.

This kind of call only reinforces my feelings that refs are effecting the game in negative ways…are you listening Mr. Stern?

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

by NOWINE on Apr 13, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe the refs will feel bad

and give the Kings a break today.

What does a Blazer do? He blazes! Where? Up the trail. Why? Portland dunks the ball! Believe RubiOden will happen.

by by on Apr 13, 2009 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

wow

thank you Dave for explaining this confusing situation! Its crazy to think that after 82 games there STILL might be a tie.

I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.

by Claire on Apr 13, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Question

What is the seeding if the following happens:

Denver 54-28 (beat Sac; lose to Ptl)
SA 54-28 (beat GS and NO)
Ptl 54-28 (beat OKC and Den)
Hou 53-29 (beat NO, lose to Dallas, or vice versa)

SA will win the SW division. I keep hearing that SA will get the 3rd seed because winning the division trumps head-to-head tie breaker. Is this true?

by Turnout on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

2. Denver
3. San Antonio
4. Portland
5. Houston

by colinmarsh on Apr 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Division beats head-to-head so Spurs and Nuggets over Blazers. Since both are division winners Nuggets beat Spurs by virtue of head-to-head.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 13, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

My head is spinning. I'm glad someone understands all the ramifications. Thank you Dave.

"Aneurysm".

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by annthefan on Apr 13, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Playoff Seedings

First time contributor here,

Blazers will finish 3rd in West if Portland wins out and Hou/SA lose one game. The NBA doesn’t give division winners the nod over a better record team in the top 4 anymore. This change was instituted in 2006.

We need to root for NO and Dallas now!

Bonus if Sacramento can pull off the amazing upset.

by Blazerfan 75 on Apr 13, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

That is true

We only dealt with tie scenarios in this post.

Basically we want Portland to win and everybody else to lose as much as they can.

—Dave

by Dave on Apr 13, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

seems like it is good to me

The game clock has a decimal, the shot clock doesn’t. So, when the shot clock goes from 1 to 0, there is still 0.9 seconds left.

Follow the game clock above the shot clock.
The shot clock changes from 2 to 1 when the game clock changes from 4.4 to 4.2.
Then the shot clock changes from 1 to 0 when the game clock changes from 3.4 to 3.2.
So, the shot clock should expire (go from 0 to end) when the game clock goes from 2.4 to 2.2.
The ball is out of his hands at 2.9… shot good, excellent job of officiating. No?

by ItsMrHarris2u on Apr 13, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

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