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The view from Europe: A dark shadow over the Euroleague Final Four?

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While we wait for the playoff positions to shake out and the next exciting phase in the development of this Blazers team to begin, how about a short European roadtrip: In about two weeks on the weekend of May 1-3, the Euroleague, the most prestigious team tournament among the top European basketball leagues, will see its Final Four to be held in the recently completed state-of-the-art O2 World arena in Berlin seating 16,000+ fans.

It could become a great event, with 4 former championship teams fighting it out. CSKA Moscow is the defending champ that qualified again fairly easily. A team that features solid players like naturalized point guard J.R. Holden (European national champion with Russia beating Rudy, Pau & Co. with a huge three in the final seconds), last year's MVP Trajan Langdon (formerly with the Cavs), Sasha Kaun (2008 NCAA champ with Kansas), former NBA combo guard Zoran Planinic (Nets), Erazem Lorbek, and even an old Blazers friend: Viktor Khryapa.

Then there will be the two best teams from Greece, local rivals Panathinaikos (JasikeviciusBatiste, Greek stars Spanoulis and Diamantidis, etc.) and Olympiacos Athens (recent NBA players Josh Childress - who has a good but not outstanding season both at home and in the Euroleage - and Jannero Pargo, but also veteran Lynn Greer and Greek standouts Papaloukas and Printezis - could play for the Raptors one day - and Sofoklis "Baby Shaq" Shortsanitis off the bench). They eliminated Italian club Montepaschi and Real Madrid in the semi-finals best of five series. And to close things out, Spanish powerhouse Regal FC Barcelona (J.C. NavarroFran Vazquez who Orlando is still hoping to see one day, Ersan IlyasovaJaka Lakovic) joins them after eliminating their countrymen from Tau Ceramica.

Pretty good players, huh? In parallel there will also be a stacked Nike International Junior Tournament with top European clubs. Will I be there to watch the games? According to my current travel plans I will be in the region, but rather unlikely I will actually attend it live (and I didn't buy tickets yet). Maybe some other Blazer's Edge reader will. Watching it on TV sounds good to me since I'm not a particular fan of any of the qualified teams and in general follow European basketball about as much as the NCAA - interested but not so that I have to see every good game. And then there is a dark shadow looming over the tournament that has nothing to do with basketball - or shouldn't.

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Unfortunately, you can expect something with a pretty high certainty that is all but unknown in the NBA and NCAA: Hooliganism. Violent clashes between fans in the stands and streets, not just mocking each other on some Internet forum, booing opposing fans and players, or in what could already be considered extreme behavior throwing food and plastic cups after a player. It is swapping over from soccer into other sports of the clubs.

It was not very fortunate to select holding this tournament in Berlin on this weekend to begin with, and with those teams several factors come together to form what could turn out to be a "perfect storm" in a negative sense:

On the long weekend of May 1st, you can expect riots in one or two certain districts in Berlin (and other cities) anyway between the police, disillusioned locals and a few hundred members of mostly left-wing groups, protesting for and against everything from capitalism to neo-nationalism to free booze and party for everyone. There are regular peaceful demonstrations during the day organized by unions and NGOs (like also in many US cities on that day), yet especially at night it comes to clashes almost every year in varying severity. It's a very small but violent minority, often masked hoping to avoid identification (black bloc). Think WTO protests in Seattle, only with some people just out there to build barricades and have a "good fight" with police forces and not so much to protest for a good cause.

(Note: Before someone makes stupid comments about Nazism, Germany does not allow the use of military within its own borders unless there is a natural disaster, and the police forces while wearing "riot gear" when trying to dissolve violent demonstrations are only very lightly armed and mostly relying on water throwers and in dangerous situations tear gas and rubber bullets. In the overwhelming majority the police is not the agressor in these fights, but their large presence can also cause escalations. And you can see similar events in several European cities at various times of the year.)

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Riots in Berlin with barricades put on fire from 2005. DPA via www.spiegel.de. Similar scenes in Hamburg May 1st 2008, via www.welt.de

Then you potentially add some angry basketball fans to this after their team has lost. While of course most are peaceful and just want a great athmosphere, a significant number of fans of the two Greek teams Panathinaikos (green colors, arena image, myspace of a fan) and Olympiacos (red colors, arena during semi-finals) hate each other despite being from the same city! Really. Not just "Boo L*kers", it's almost religious. There have been violent clashes in Athens between militant wings of those clubs.

Add the Russian fans of CSKA Moscow to the mix, some of whom are also not known to be the most friendly guys. And Barcelona, a huge club with many fans who at least in soccer are also infamous for having some "ultras" in their rows that the police is watching closely around games. If all those guys go on a field trip to Berlin with the intention of mashing up some opposing fans, watch out. It could get ugly.

The organizers of course want to downplay it and have implemented strict security controls entering the arena, but the police in Berlin is concerned. See this article on BallinEurope.com citing/translating from an article in a Berlin newspaper (a new affiliate of the TrueHoop Network, still a small blog compared to BE but looks very nice so far, and their writers are very experienced). 

While Russian fans of CSKA Moscow are a cause for alarm for the German police, the biggest concern for police is Olympiacos facing fierce rivals Panathinaikos in the semifinals on May 1. Panathinaikos was fined 14,500 euros last weekend after fans lit flares inside the arena, used laser pointers and threw objects onto the court. Tagesspiegel noted that supporters of the opposing teams have not been allowed into the arenas of the rivals for security reasons for years, and that a fan died during a game between the two clubs’ women’s volleyball teams in 2007.

(Note: Apparently the fan was killed away from the game in a pre-arranged fight between "fan" groups. But still it is disturbing that things like that happen around a sporting event.)

It's a form of fanatic escalation we don't really know in the NBA (or even the NHL where fights between players are common). Fear of fights in the stands and streets between fans of the Clippers and Lakers? The Nets and Knicks? The Mavs, Spurs and Rockets? East and West coast teams? Or formerly the Blazers and Sonics not allowed into the opposing arena? Unheard of. David Stern would panic that visitors would keep their families away first, and then stay away themselves. The Malice in the Palace is probably the closest thing I can think of in the NBA. You might want to keep those extreme forms of fandom in mind when speaking about "hating" an opposing team. Or when especially Rudy but also Sergio and Nic talk about "European atmosphere". NBA fans are not nearly that rabid, and regarding those extreme forms that is a good thing.

I'll try to keep you updated about how the tournament went, and if there happened to be any violent clashes. I really hope those dark clouds go away, and there are maybe just the usual yearly skirmishes between police and some guys out for trouble away from the games. While the real fans of the different teams celebrate a big peaceful multi-national basketball party, as Berlin and many other cities in Germany saw them on a large scale during the soccer World Championships 2006 (I think Ben attended a game and can attest to that). This event featuring many great basketball players would deserve to be in the news for the right reasons.

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Berlin 2008 and Frankfurt am Main 2006

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great perspective

nice work

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by Jiggamant on Apr 12, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the greeks are going to go nuts

Magneto was right

MEMO TO KP-GET BIRDZILLA!

by WhiteRabbit on Apr 12, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The content of your sig scares me

prolly cuz it’s true…thanks for the nightmare material…I guess…

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Apr 13, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ack! That supposed to be response to Jiggamant....

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Apr 13, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

when do you sleep? So many great posts, you must be robo-man….

Here is my Playoff mode signature, that I thought up myself: "Just Do It".

by johnv59 on Apr 12, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for this Norsk.

interesting read. Go Barcelona!

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by RoodiePhirnandizz on Apr 12, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like to thow batteries at other team's players

It’s kind of like recycling, because I know the folks at the Rose Garden will dispose of the batteries properly. (jk)

Great work again, Norsktroll.

by tominhawaii on Apr 13, 2009 5:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you know...

that Panathinaikos and Olympiakos fans aren’t allowed on each other’s arenas?

Greek fans are nuts.

On the basketball side, I’ll watch it and support Barcelona as Joventut is out :’(

About the riots… there have been many all around europe during the last couple of months, some because of the financial crisis, and others because of a new plan for college students which features unbelievable stuff (at least in europe) such as making colleges look for funding on private companies (what can potentially hurt the neutrality of the classes and do big financial harm to certain careers such as philosophy or anything art-related) and change the plans into less exams and more homework, which besides quite dumb would hurt students time to work part-time jobs and pay for their schooling.

I’m quite involved because I live in Barcelona, and we’ve had some riots here, most started by the police attacking people during peaceful demonstrations, even attacking kids and press staff, which led to the firing of some police chiefs.

There are a lot of pissed people, and 1st of May can be dangerous on many big cities streets.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

by DaniBCN on Apr 13, 2009 5:24 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for providing this commentary DaniBCN

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Apr 13, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your perspective from Spain/Barcelona where I know less about the situation and how politics and the police behave

I didn’t want to give the impression that the situation in Europe is really dangerous with a large number of fans out for violence (even among the more renowned Greek clubs). Or that most protesters don’t have very good reasons for these demonstrations and most of these end peacefully with police just standing on the side. It is their constitutional right, after all. Only that there are some concerns, and a minority of people who (mis-)use demonstrations with the intention of starting a fight with the police. Sometimes they try to hide in the masses, making it harder to distinguish peaceful from violent protesters. Also there have been critiques in Germany after the G8 summit (where they built a fence around the main area) that the large presence of police forces and preemptive filming and dissolution of groups contributes to potential escalation.

Hooliganism is on the retreat in Germany and most of Europe (after a violent phase some years back) as police in the meantime have a pretty good idea who the vocal leaders are and try to keep them from even entering the area of big events (stop them at train stations to send them back, etc.). As far as I know it is pretty much unheard of among basketball fans in Germany, also because the clubs are mostly small and not affiliated with the soccer clubs like in other countries. Even in soccer, clashes in the upper leagues are rare apart from the occasional drunken guy punching someone, but can happen in the lower leagues in some regions where the teams and city can’t regularly afford such a high level of security so the guys who want to cause trouble switch there.

After all, the huge majority of fans just wants to watch the game – and maybe boo the opposing team :)
It may all turn out to be hype, but on such a day like May 1st in Berlin several things could come together to make things ugly and overshadow an event that should be fun.

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by Norsktroll on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although I find this state of affairs extremely dis-heartening

I gotta give props to Norsktroll for reporting on it. A million thank yous.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Apr 13, 2009 7:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great piece

The crowd picture reminds me of the Love Parade — we were there for that a few years ago. Berlin was simply amazing. Everybody we ran into was extremely nice and polite to us.

by CatMan2 on Apr 13, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Another thorough and terrific piece from you Norsktroll.

Thank you for enlightening me of the situation over there. Puts things in perspective (I thought the fans booing Darius Miles waslousy).

You really should be paid for what you write you know, and if you ever start your own blog, yours will be the second one I visit daily.

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by TwoDeep on Apr 13, 2009 8:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great piece norsk
While the real fans of the different teams celebrate a big peaceful multi-national basketball party, as Berlin and many other cities in Germany saw them on a large scale during the soccer World Championships 2006 (I think Ben attended a game and can attest to that).

berlin was awesome in 2006. after germany beat argentina we walked a few miles through the city to get back to our hotel and felt shell-shocked by how overwhelming the reaction was— especially compared to what happens in american cities. people were sitting on the tops of moving cars, waving flags, tilting subway cars back and forth, shouting, screaming, waving flags, throwing bottles off of 3rd floor windows into the street, sharing liquor with random strangers on the street, etc…

at no time did i feel danger though, not as described above in more recent events… there were some deaths in berlin in 2006 but only very, very few. once we finally made it back to the hotel and had dinner we were watching the tv and the commentators were going on about how great the win was and how wonderfully in control the celebrations were. we just looked at each other thinking “we’re not in america anymore”… great experience…

norsk back in the 1990s there were small-scale riots in chicago when the bulls won the title but not really team vs. team fights… that’s the worst america has seen.

by Ben. on Apr 13, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Ben

As stated above to DaniBCN, you usually shouldn’t be in any danger attending sports events in Germany or Europe. The soccer championships in 2006 and 2008 where a great peaceful party on the streets of many cities all over the continent, with very few incidents apart from some drunken guys fighting. And I think the deaths in Berlin were caused by someone running amok with a knife near the main station which had little to do with the real event. Hooliganism is on retreat, and not present in basketball there. Only on this weekend some things caused by politics and sports could come together and escalate. Hopefully not.

Greg Oden = Robert Parish (HOF, 4x NBA champion, 9x NBA All-Star). The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946.

by Norsktroll on Apr 13, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget LA

they love a good riot down there, too.

My heart yearns for a celebration such as what you describe to be thrown on the streets of Portland.

by T$ 225 on Apr 13, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work Norstroll...

I am always amazed at how sports fans turn into hooligans who turn into riots in Europe and South America. Crazy.

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by RenoBlazerFan on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgive me if you've relayed this before, but could you clarify...

If you ever compete? My guess is that you “did”. It’s usually easy to discern posters that didn’t….or if they did they weren’t very good….you did and you were. My guess.

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Apr 13, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In basketball only in high school and some college intramurals

But intensively in track and field until I couldn’t put in more training to compete with doped athletes and “naturally doped” Africans anymore when time for college came :)

Greg Oden = Robert Parish (HOF, 4x NBA champion, 9x NBA All-Star). The only other rookie with more than 500 points, 400 rebounds, and 65 blocks in under 1400 minutes played. Since 1946.

by Norsktroll on Apr 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Norsk, DaniBCN, and Ben

for your interesting perspectives. This should be an interesting tournament and it should be fun for all hoops fans. I hope it gets some coverage in the US and that people follow the teams, the players, and the results. – Elgin

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by 22baylor on Apr 13, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Amazing stuff as usual, Norsk. I imagine you as someone who can and

will do anything you set your mind to. You must have a stable of clones of yourself in order to accomplish all you seem to do.

"Aneurysm".

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by annthefan on Apr 13, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s fine with me if nobody tips over my car or kills someone. Otherwise, it’s called being a fan. You also shouldn’t attack someone if you have a large numbers advantage. You have to fight with honor, so don’t attack someone who doesn’t want to fight or with a group of people against one man. It’s also best if you don’t kick your enemies when they’re down (literally).

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by L-TrainFTW! on Apr 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

please honor is for losers

a wise man once said, just win baby

Magneto was right

MEMO TO KP-GET BIRDZILLA!

by WhiteRabbit on Apr 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude your post sucked Norsk

(not really but im sure all this praise is jacking up your ego, had to bring it down a bit)

good read tho

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Apr 13, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome read!

I also like the pic of the jumbotron on the river! Man, what a party that would be! Picture that on the waterfront! I’d be there (as long as it was Blazers) with my grill and cooler, for sure!

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by mjsmith3 on Apr 13, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone should do a similar study regarding SB Nation blogs

One time I saw on a blog where fans were going to visit another blog and it was pretty much like a soccer riot.

by tominhawaii on Apr 14, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's cute Tom

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by pookeyguru on May 2, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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