What is travelling???
So I thought I knew.
I played b-ball in 8th grade, and I sometimes play pickup with my friends.
I know what 3 in the key is.
I understand the difference between a charge and a block.
Backcourt violation, goaltending, jumpball...I understand all that.
I thought I knew. I really thought I did.
I mean you've got your pivot foot, and then you can move your other foot around so long as you have it planted.
When driving to the rim, travelling doesn't exist if you are an all-star, and even if your not you get 2 steps before you jump, and then you have to get rid of the ball before you come back down.
I even read an ESPN.com article last week about how technically, by the rulebook, you never get two steps, but that as far as the officials association is concerned you do.
I know if you shuffle both your feet before you dribble, thats a travel.
But I just don't get it, not any more at least.
Ah Denver.
This wasn't the first time I got confused, having a DVR allows me to watch and rewatch these so called travels dozens of times looking for the violation.
Mostly Rudy was the victim, I think Trout had one called on him too.
4 or 5 just against Denver were called.
But what is a travel? When Rudy keeps his left foot planted, takes a jab step with his right and then starts his dribble (ball leaves his hand then he picks up the left foot) and takes off....where was the travel? Over. and over. and over.
Now I know Rudy has often shuffled both his feet before dribbling, he has travelled, I won't lie here. But can you call a travel on someone when they don't travel, just because they have before? Is that a super special secret rule?
Tonight was a fun one. Rudy gets the ball on the move, (now, again I just read that ESPN article, it talked about catching the ball on the move) he catches the ball in stride, runs into the defender, loses the ball completely (no possession!) and then gets it back...boom, travel?? Offensive foul maybe, or blocking foul if you don't think he was set...but where was the travel?
Is there a Euro-travelling rule?
I have to imagine Rudy is continuously checking his Span-Eng dictionary to see what it is he is being called for because it isn't making any sense. How do you travel when you don't have the ball??? How do you travel when you are dribbling??
Someone, for the love of god, someone explain to me this "rule".
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YOU SUCK
how can you not understand such a basic rule.
You embarrass all other blazer fans.
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
TrueHoop just did a whole long series on the obscurity of the rule.
It’s a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
This
is the article I was referring to in the post.
It doesn’t seem to talk about the kind of calls Rudy keeps getting called on.
But yes, I understand traveling doesn’t really exist except in the minds of those who call it.
P.S.
Does it upset anyone else that the english language permits the use of either traveLing or traveLLing (and travelled and traveled)
Mindbogglingismness continues.
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
YES!!! This upsets me VERY much
Q: Do you feel the city of Portland still wants you?
A: I know this team does, the organization does. Everybody else, I don't worry about that. We worry about our family right here (in the locker room). I know I got their back and I know they're behind me.
I agree.
I was complaining about this a little diffrently…I see palming running rampant in the league and am shocked that stern would allow such a poor example of basic fundimentals of the game to the little kiddies of the world.
And yeah…I don’t understand how half of the league gets away with traveling meanwhile the rest of the league makes up for it by being called for it when they never really did it, just to keep the rule around….
RAT BALL….ball get’s touched by the bad guy…you get to dribble again or take another couple of steps ;)
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Well did you replay the Nene in the paint play where he took at least 4 steps…
when he finally did establish his pivot foot ( which I think was his left) he then took two more steps plain as day…oh wait we played in Denver, never mind – that was a good call.
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There is indeed a "Euro" = FIBA international traveling rule. It is much closer to the NCAA than the NBA rules
But while also allowing for two steps it is stricter in many cases. So if Rudy was still mostly playing like he learned it under FIBA rules, he should get less travel calls when everything is observed. He e.g. should bounce the ball first after receiving it with his feet planted (either one can be the pivot foot) before taking a step, while an NBA player would often take one or two steps first before bouncing it when crossing over/driving to the rim. Also double dribbles (when a player stops dribbling, holds the ball and then starts dribbling again) are strictly called by FIBA refs.
Problem is as Bayless insinuated in his interview video with ESPN TrueHoop: What do the refs really call? College refs are often bad, many NBA refs have a bad reputation too. Probably there are refs in every league that players don’t want to have.
Solutions? Maybe it would help if the NBA just assigned their top ref teams to the important games (those are pretty well known) and especially the playoffs. And was more open about rule violations, like it seems they start to be (e.g. TrueHoop had a lot of access to the refs this season). Why not have a “refs corner” on NBA TV each week, where some refs supervisor with a lot of experience publicly explains if that was the right call, what the underlying rule is, etc. I think that would clear a lot of things up and take away some distrust.
A better solution
would be to hire a fourth ref whose job would be to look exlcusively at travels, double dribbles, carries and other dribbler violations. If the rules are hard to call correctly, then obviosly more eyes are need for focused tasks. WE need moree jobs in these economic times anyway.
I have learned to accept travels
In Britain (and Europe) the calls are much, much stricter. You will not get away with any of it in the leagues here.
But what is a travel? When Rudy keeps his left foot planted, takes a jab step with his right and then starts his dribble (ball leaves his hand then he picks up the left foot) and takes off….where was the travel? Over. and over. and over.
That is a pretty common travel that doesn’t seem to be picked up, I see a lot of travels where players move from stationary to their dribble and poor footwork leads to a travel. They are so eager to get good position on the drive that footwork goes out of the window. And as was stated in Truehoop the referees don’t notice because they are looking for fouls in the upper body or blocking calls to do with the defenders footwork.
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so
is it technically a dribble if the ball leaves your hand before you pick up your pivot foot?
I don’t see how it possibly could be, but thats what has been getting called.
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
It's hard to explain
When you jab step with the right your left leg is your pivot. The ball has to hit the floor before you can lift that pivot foot or else you have effectively walked two steps from stationary without dribbling. The first being the jab step, second the left leg being lifted before the dribble is active.
Imagine yourself with a ball on the three point line, then taking two steps forward without dribbling.
Normally, you jab step with the right to shift the defender right, you then have to bring your right leg across the defender onto the opposite side, bouncing the ball on the floor as you plant your right foot then continuing with the driving emotion, lifting and bringing the left leg forward.
The first thing in this video demonstrates it perfectly, it’s quick so watch out. He puts the ball on the floor as his right foot goes down.
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by AbramAbrahamHam on Mar 8, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember the link silly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63O78qfHM1w
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by AbramAbrahamHam on Mar 8, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
okay
so your dribble does not start until the ball hits the ground? This is probably the key to what I am missing. Intuitively I would think a dribble starts when you no longer have the ball in your hand, but you know what they say about intuition, it costs a lot and leaves you in massive debt with a useless BA degree… and..the word ‘in’…
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
travelling is RE-PLANTING YOUR PIVOT FOOT AFTER IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED
How complicated is that? I just stated it in EIGHT WORDS. For the first several decades of the NBA, there was no mystery or controversy about this rule. Everyone—officials, players, media, and fans—agreed on what travelling was. (It was also referred to as the “1 1/2 step rule.”) Once you’d played & watched the game for awhile, travelling was easy to spot—even on fast-moving plays.
Then, for better or worse, Big Advertising entered the league, and suddenly the travelling violation wasn’t so simple. Fans like to see spectacular drives to the basket; why ruin the fun by calling “travelling” when guys take an extra step or two?
I first noticed the change at the end of Magic & Bird’s careers. Suddenly, these two aging stars were allowed to essentially tuck the ball under their arms like football or rugby players and run to the hoop with it. I called it, “the Bird/Magic Lifetime Achievement Award.” What was the harm? Those two guys had saved the league, right? Let them cash a few more paychecks before retirement.
But soon the cancer spread, and other stars—and eventually non-stars—were allowed to take extra steps on their way to the hoop. Significantly, the rule never changed for guys not headed to the basket. To this day, if you pick up your dribble beyond the 3-point line, you’re not allowed to replant your pivot foot without getting rid of the ball first. This fact shows the ridiculousness of claiming the travelling rule actually allows two steps or “beats”—regardless of what the rulebook currently states.
The travelling rule is the travelling rule, and it’s simply been relaxed in an attempt to make the game more fan-friendly. Big deal, right? But to long-time fans like myself, distorting how games are officiated—whether in order to encourage spectacular moves, to help home teams win more games, or to assure that star players don’t foul out—only makes the great NBA game start to resemble pro wrestling. At a certain point, a sport ceases to be athletic competition and simply becomes entertainment. Is this David Stern’s vision? It would certainly seem so.
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