Playoff Seeding Explained
There's a decent chance that by this time next week the Portland Trail Blazers will officially (i.e. mathematically) be able to move past the playoff question and start narrowing down seeding options. In preparation for that event we should look at the seeding system. It's changed a couple times since the last Portland playoff appearance, so 21 straight years of knowing what's up won't do you as much good as it once did. Here's the skinny.
Seeding the Top 8 in Each Conference
The best way to think of the new playoff seeding system is to divide the Top 8 teams into two tiers of four.
- The upper tier is comprised of the three division winners plus the team with the best record besides those three.
- The lower tier is comprised of the teams with the next four best records.
- Each tier is seeded separately, by record, regardless of who won what division.
In other words the 1 and 2 seeds could both be from the same division if those were the two best teams in the conference by record. Winning your division does not guarantee you a top three seed. It does guarantee you'll be in the top tier though, and thus be seeded no lower than fourth.
EXAMPLE: Consider this completely fictional finish.
Pacific: L*kers 60-22, Kings 55-27, Warriors 50-32
Southwest: Spurs 59-23, Rockets 54-28
Northwest: Blazers 53-29, Nuggets 52-30, Jazz 51-31
The top four seeds would be the L*kers (60 wins), Spurs (59), and Blazers (53) as division winners plus the Kings (55 wins), as Sacramento had the best record of the remaining teams. The seeding among those four would be by record, which would mean the L*kers would be #1, the Spurs #2, the Kings #3, and the Blazers #4. The remaining teams would fall in line by record for the 5-8 seeds: Rockets (54 wins) #5, Nuggets (52) #6, Jazz (51) #7, Warriors (50) #8.
The New Rule: Seeds Determine Matchups But Not Homecourt
This is important because people assume that if the Blazers manage to win the division they will also get homecourt advantage. This is not necessarily true. Homecourt advantage in a given series is determined solely by the records of the two teams involved.
In the example we just used the Blazers were seeded #4 by virtue of winning the division. The Rockets were seeded #5 and would face Portland. However Houston had 54 wins and Portland only 53, so the Rockets would have homecourt advantage in the series with Portland despite being the lower seed.
Tiebreaker Rules
This is where it gets hairy in the West. Follow closely, because there are a couple twists.
If two teams have identical records, these tiebreakers apply, in order. As soon as the tie is broken by one of them the rest don't matter.
1. Head-to-Head Record
If either team has an advantage over the other in the regular season the tie is broken right there.
Here's how the Blazers have fared against the teams close to them in the standings:
- vs. San Antonio 2-1 (1 remaining)
- vs. Denver 1-2 (1 remaining)
- vs. Houston 1-1 (1 remaining)
- vs. Utah 1-2 (1 remaining)
- vs. New Orleans 2-2
- vs. Dallas 0-3
As you can see, the only positive possibilities for Portland are San Antonio and Houston. We've either lost or pushed this tiebreaker against all of the other teams. And with the remaining Houston and San Antonio games being on the road, things aren't looking cheery there either.
2. Division Record (applies only if the teams in question are in the same division)
The second tie breaker only comes into play while measuring two teams in the same division. In that case records against the division are measured. Here's how things look against the Nuggets and Jazz.
- Denver 9-3 (4 remaining: vs. Utah, @Minnesota, vs. OKC, @Portland)
- Utah 10-3 (3 remaining: @Portland, @Denver, vs. Minnesota)
- Portland 7-5 (4 remaining: vs. Utah, @OKC, vs. OKC, vs. Denver)
As you can see, each team plays the other two with some Thunder and/or 'Wolves thrown in. The Blazers have a legitimate chance to sweep the remaining division games and go 11-5 for the season. Utah's most likely outcome would be 1-2 for 11-5. Denver's 3-1 for 12-4.
Having spotted two games to the competition already, every remaining division game is essential to the Blazers if they have any hope of winning this tie-breaker against either team. They need the Jazz to lose all of theirs in the meantime or Denver to go 1-3. Neither of those eventualities seem likely.
Somewhat more likely would be a tie, which would lead to...
3. Conference Record
The next tiebreaker compares records against teams from the same conference. Here are the standings so far among teams that the Blazers could still be tied with at this level:
- San Antonio 31-14
- Denver 30-15
- Houston 31-14
- Utah 31-12
- Portland 24-19
- New Orleans 27-16
As you can see, the Blazers have little or no chance of catching the teams ahead of them in the standings right now. If those teams did lose enough conference games to fall to Portland's level the Blazers would pass them in the overall standings anyway, thus alleviating the need for any tie-breaker at all.
The Blazers and Hornets are close, but with Portland having no non-conference games left and New Orleans having only one, I don't see any way in which the teams could switch positions on this scale and still remain tied in overall record. The teams are separated by ½ game in the overall standings but the Hornets would have to lose 3 more games than Portland to tie in conference record. (My math gets fuzzy at 1 a.m. and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.)
In any case, the end result here is another tiebreaker that doesn't favor the Blazers.
4. Record vs. Playoff Teams, Own Conference
5. Record vs. Playoff Teams, Other Conference
6. Net Points in All Games
These three tiebreakers are academic at this point. They won't be invoked for the Blazers this year.
Tiebreaker Summation
Long story short, unless any of the following happen...
- A road win against the Rockets on April 5th
- A road win against the Spurs on April 8th
- The Jazz losing all three of their remaining divisional games while the Blazers win all four of theirs
- The Nuggets losing three of their four remaining divisional games while the Blazers win all of theirs
...the Blazers are going to have to finish ahead of any given team in the conference to get a higher seed than that team. Absent those eventualities, all ties will go to the opposition.
Hope that brings some clarity to the situation.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Spot on in every point
Expanding your concluding points:
1. “A road win against the Rockets on April 5th” — this one could matter in the four/five battle.
2. “A road win against the Spurs on April 8th” — unlikely that we catch the Spurs, but doing this might give us a chance.
3. “The Jazz losing all three of their remaining divisional games while the Blazers win all four of theirs” — if this happens, we will almost certainly finish at least 2 games ahead of the Jazz, anyway. So it is irrelevant — a tiebreaker isn’t going to help us against them.
4. “The Nuggets losing three of their four remaining divisional games while the Blazers win all of theirs” — same as the Jazz, if this happens we finish ahead of the Nuggets anyway, so we won’t have tiebreaker help against them.
The only real possibility of a tiebreaker helping us is if we win in either Houston or S.A. The only one that is at all likely is a win in Houston — very doubtful that even a win in S.A. would let us catch them.
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The second most likely
would probably be a Minnesota upset in Utah with the Blazers winning out in their division games. But the chances of that happening and the Blazers and Jazz still remaining tied are small.
—Dave
Yeah
If we win out our division games, that means we are at least 3-1 at home and get at least one (OKC) on the road — 50 wins, even if we lose all the rest. Your scenario would mean the Jazz lose their next 3, and then get 4 of the last 6 to tie us — their last six include games at L.A., S.A., N.O., and Dallas. Pretty brutal.
I just can’t see us losing in Memphis. Even if we did, I can’t see them getting four of those last six. And I expect us to get at least one of the games against L.A. or Houston.
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i am dying, as im sure u all are, to see Oden assert himself with a huge game against a good/great team. even after this second weird injury, i feel like he has been light on his feet of late.
one thing i dont want to happen tonight is seeing him roam the perimeter with that idiot Okur. recipe for disaster. hey, other blazers, dont let ur boy get taken outside the lane and play some tight d out there.
im praying tonight is gona be one of those nights where he just goes off. with the Jazz lack of a big man in the middle, maybe itll happen
Can they make this more complicated somehow?
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I have the best idea!
JUST WIN ALL OF THE GAMES LEFT !
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Complicated stuff nicely explained. This little site also gives you the rules, and does the heavy lifting of calculating for you :)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/matchups?season=2009
In a second round series, homecourt advantage would also be determined by record and not by seeding.
the league has made it too confusing
why don’t they jusnt stack rank by number of wins all the teams in the west & have the top 4 records get home court advantage & the bottom 4 not have home court. ….(& then obviously have tiebreaker rules).
Seemls like it it much more complicated than it used to be.
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Seeding and homecourt are 2 different things
1. Seeding: The three division winners plus the team with the best record (including tiebreakers) of the remaining playoff teams are seeded 1 thru 4 based on record (including tie breakers). The remaining 4 team are seeded solely by record 5 thru 8
2. After the teams have been seeded, whoever has best record (including tiebreakers) in the matchup gets homecourt
The benefit to the division winner is that you are garrantied to get into the top half of the bracket and get an easier team to play (in theory) ….but it just doesn’t extend to getting the homecourt advantage….if you are a division winner and the team you are matchup against has a better record than you …then they get home court …..not you.
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by 92wastheyear on Mar 31, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice clear examples explain everything. To continue extrapolating ...
I imagine that no very arcane tie-breaking rules need come into play once the the Blazers reach the finals, since, of their possible opponents, only Atlanta has even a remote chance of being tied with them, and the Blazers won 2 out of 3 against the Hawks.
You're right. The other game was a Blazers win in the pre-season.
So I guess we do have to look closely at tie-breaking rules if the Hawks advance to the finals. But, let’s be realistic here! It’s much more likely that the Blazers will face Cleveland, Boston, or Orlando. Personally, I’d prefer to see a series with the Celts. Two reasons: (a) Blazers get to knock off the reigning champs, and (b) I’m starting to really dislike LeBron, and I’d like to see him choke as much as possible.
I already thought of this and it doesn't make sense to me
So this is only the case with the 4/5 seed match up. You win your division and you get the 4 seed it buys you nothing if the 5 seed has a better record so they might as well just rank the teams by record because it doesn’t make a difference.
- Neil
thats my point
4 and 5 are going to play each other no matter what order the two team are in so put the one with the best record in 4th. Just doesn’t make any sense to be in 4th if you don’t get home court.
- Neil
by Blazin'aTrail on Mar 31, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Not if your division is sooooo bad
that by record you would be sixth (or something) …then there would be a clear benefit to being a division winner
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by 92wastheyear on Mar 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you are mistaken on the Home Court.
I heard on ESPN that they changed the rule this year. I was under the belief that a division win rewarded you home court in the 1st round no matter what. Then in the second round, they went based purely on record for home court. I heard this on TNT too. Anybody else heard this?
Not me ...see post above
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by 92wastheyear on Mar 31, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, I see how it works...
and thanks for the detailed explanation. What I still don’t understand is why it works that way.
What is the point of seeding at all if it doesn’t translate into some kind of advantage? For instance, if Portland wins the division, gets the #4 seed, but ends up facing Houston and Houston has a better record and therefore gets home court advantage, then really, isn’t Portland only #4 in name only? How does Portland benefit by being the higher seed?
by LicketyBrindle on Mar 31, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
the only possible benefit
of giving the division winner 4th seed would be if they would fall all the way to 6th if going off of straight won-loss. The system ensures a division winner can play no better than a 5 seed. Without that provision, a division winner can end up as a 6 seed and have to then play the #3 seed in the first round.
It’s all kind of silly really. As it is now, you really don’t play your division rivals (4 each), than you do other conference teams (2/3 4x each, 1/3 3 times each), which makes the whole point of divisions kind of moot. The NBA either needs to:
A) decide to make winning the division meaningful by giving it a more tangible reward (guaranteed home court), but which would also necessitate playing more intra-division games.
B) get rid of divisions all together, and just have a 15-team conference. The scheduling is pretty much there already, as is the playoff seeding (other than the bizarre scenario where a division winner finishes 6th or lower).
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
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This creates a situation in which LOSING your final game or two can be beneficial.
Consider this unlike and bizarre but possible scenario:
1Portland 80 wins
2Denver 65 wins
3Memphis 51 wins
4 Clippers 50 wins
5 Utah 60 wins
6 GS – 49 wins
7 Sacramento 48 wins
8 San Antonio 47 wins
Portland, Memphis, and the Clips are the division winners, but Denver and Utah are excellent teams.
On the last day of the season, the Clips and Golden State are tied for the Pacific Division title with 49 wins. The loser gets sixth seeding, and draws Memphis (51 wins – one win more than they) in the first round. The winner gets the honor of hanging that Division banner in their stadium, and then gets to be trounced by the #5, 60-win Jazz. Who have home court advantage.
That would be an interesting game to watch. And to bet on.
by LicketyBrindle on Mar 31, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, that is the doomsday scenario of the present system
which is why I"m in favor of just doing away with divisions altogether. they mean nothing right now, so why artificially inflate someone’s seeding and setup a potential scenario like the one listed above?
Either that, or play a much more division-centric schedule and say (like the NFL and MLB do) that winning the division gives you benefits above and beyond your overall record
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Get rid of divisions
& balance the conference schedule. The current setup is absurd. Rivalries exist no matter how many times teams face each other. Heck, I’m even down for eliminating conferences if they could figure out how to balance the schedule and make it practical travel-wise.
I think the idea behind this
Is to prevent 2 division champs from playing each other in round 1. Why they want to prevent this is beyond me though, since the actual divisions mean nothing these days.
I continue to let others do the work of updating the matchups daily. But please call them out if they screw up :)
I'm glad
Because I was going to call you on a few things. I’m pretty sure some of those dates and team records are wrong. I just have no way of verifying it right now.
in that case . . .
wait a second. this doesn’t make sense. Portland has the same record as San Antonio, but has the better head-to-head record. Why aren’t we the 3 seed?

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