Magic Numbers (UPDATED 3/20)
3/20 Update:
It's been nearly a week since the last Magic Numbers update; nowadays the Big O is publishing the Blazers magic number in the paper. Since we lost last night and Phoenix was idle, we're still at 9. It's probably also useful to note our magic number with respect to the Mavs--any combination of Blazer wins and Dallas losses adding to 12 would clinch us a playoff berth.
It's also worth noting the magic numbers (to clinch) of the other Western teams whose playoff fate is not yet known. SA and Houston (45 wins) both have magic numbers of 7, Denver is at 8, we're at 9, Utah and New Orleans are at 10, and Dallas has a magic number of 11.
Tonight in the NBA: We're idle, as is Phoenix, and the other six teams in the WC playoff hunt (excluding the Lakers who have clinched) are playing. Four of them, unfortunately, have what look to be gimmes tonight.
Dallas visits the Pacers. May Jarrett Jack not step on the line too many times.
Memphis sails down the Mississippi to play the Hornets.
Utah visits the Thunder.
Minnesota visits the Rockets.
In the game of the night, Boston visits the Spurs.
And Denver gets paid a visit by the Wizards.
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While it's still a bit early for any Blazer-related magic numbers to be worth discussing much, lets discuss them anyway.
The Blazers magic number to clinch a playoff berth is: 20. That can be computed by adding our wins (37) with the losses of Phoenix, the current #9 seed (26), and subtracting the result from 83 (82 games + 1 extra to break ties).
83 - (37 + 26) = 20.
Any combination of Blazer wins and Phoenix losses that add up to 20, and we're in.
OTOH, the magic number for the Blazers to be eliminated is computed by using our losses and Phoenix's wins--that number is 83 - (22 + 34) = 27. Any combination of losses by the Blazers, and wins by Phoenix (or whoever is #9) puts us out of the playoffs.
The good thing is that the first number is less than the second number--and also less than our number of games remaining (23), meaning that we control our own destiny.
The Sacramento Kings are the first team in the West to be eliminated from the playoffs; as they are below the line their magic number is computed with respect to the current #8 seed, Dallas. The Mavs have 36 wins, the Kings have 48 losses, which adds up to 84. Doh. The Clippers have a magic number of one--they could tie Dallas if they won every remaining game and the Mavs lost--but other than that, they're out. OKC's magic number is 2; Memphis has some breathing room at 4, and the T-Wolves have a magic number of 5. Golden State has a magic number of eight.
I believe the standing on CNNSI are up-to-date with tonight's action; Phoenix lost. If not, then our magic number to make the playoffs is 19 and not 20.
UPDATE (3/4): A few other numbers, since folks asked:
1) Blazers magic number to clinch a top 4 seed, and homecourt in the first round. Right now that number is 24 (83 - 37 PDX wins - 22 Houston losses). That assumes we stay ahead of New Orleans, who we are tied with for 5th.
2) Blazers magic number to win the NW Division. Same--24. Denver has a 39-22 record, just like Houston.
3) Blazers magic number to win the Western Conference. 34 (83 - 37 PDX wins - 12 Laker losses). Probably won't happen.
Tonight's games involving WC playoff contenders: Phoenix is @Miami, San Antonio is @Dallas, Indiana @Portland, and Houston @Utah. Lakers, Nuggets, and Hornets are idle.
If Dallas wins OR the Clippers (hosting Memphis) lose, the Clippers are out of the playoffs. If Dallas wins AND the Thunder (hosting the Wizards) lose, the Thunder are gone.
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Portland would still make the playoffs
They would have 41 wins and Golden State would have to win all but 2 of their remaining games to reach 41.
by trk on Mar 3, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I have to admit I was too lazy to look at the standings
and didn’t realize that GS was so far behind. Still, my point stands, which is that there are scenarios where neither the Blazers nor and Suns get to the playoffs. Unlikely, yes. I’ll text Hollinger to get the odds.
The most wins G.S. can get is 43
They do own the tiebreaker against us, though, which bolsters your argument not at all. :)
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Okay, next time I'll work out a better example
My point could be summarized as: the fate of the Blazers and the Suns may not, and probably does not, rest solely on the other team.
Furthermore
there are scenarios in which BOTH Phoenix and Portland make it. This must be fairly likely, I’m guessing, probability > 0.1?
Based on Hollinger's playoff odds
there is a 62.3% chance of both Portland and Phoenix making the playoffs.
Based on my subjective opinion
I think there is less than a 50% chance of Phoenix making it.
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by jscot on Mar 3, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Utah is too strong, now, for Phoenix to catch them.
And Phoenix faces three more brutal road games.
The only reasons Shaq helps Phoenix:
1. When Nash is sitting or out, Phoenix is forced into the halfcourt.
2. Shaq can dominate some opposing bigs, with the help of his little, striped friends.
coolstandings gives them a 51.9% chance to make it (updated after tonight's games)
next most likely to miss out is Dallas- 67.3 % chance to make it
all the other Western 9 have playoff odds over 90%.
Also of interest, here are the current coolstandings NW Division title odds: Denver 51.9, Portland 37.0, Utah 11.1
Boomshakalaka
Yes
Very, very difficult for them to win the division. But they are opening a gap on Phoenix that I don’t think the Suns can make up, even with that schedule.
I would put NW odds right now at Denver 65, Portland 25, Utah 10%.
Scenario 1: We lose to Denver and they lose to Utah. This is expected, and would not change the odds at all.
Scenario 2: Denver sweeps. Denver 80, Portland 15, Utah 5%. (Denver does what is expected at home, but then steals a win, breaks Utah’s momentum, and re-opens a gap. With their easy schedule ahead, they almost certainly wouldn’t be caught.)
Scenario 3: Denver splits the other way (losing to us, winning at Utah). Denver 50, Portland 45, Utah 5%. (Denver loses their advantage but then regains it with a tough and surprising win at Utah).
Scenario 4: Denver loses both. Portland 50, Denver 40, Utah 10%. (Denver loses their advantage against us and can’t claw it back in Utah. Edge to Portland and probably the tie-breaker goes to Portland as well. Still a long way to go.)
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Do they adjust
for things like Amare’s injury?
Dallas has no major injuries.
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Dallas
I thought Josh Howard was having some bone spur issues with both ankles that could shelve him fo some games?
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Could be
I should have said I was unaware of any. I’m not following them real closely, to be honest. They are going to finish somewhere 7-9 (probably 8th seed). They are extremely unlikely to catch us in the seedings battle, and we are extremely unlikely to face them in the first round (we would have to finish first or second seed), so I haven’t been paying close attention.
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Per Hollinger
There’s only a 14.4 percent chance that somebody besides Dallas or Phoenix finishes ninth in the West, with Portland (4.7 percent) having the greatest shot.
by The Thinker on Mar 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
strange
Hollinger’s own playoff odds, as well as the coolstandings and Justin Kubatko odds, give NO, Utah and Denver better chances to miss the playoffs than the Blazers. Not sure what Hollinger was looking at in writing that.
Hollinger gives us a 97.8% shot at the playoffs (4th highest in the West after LA/SA/Hou) and projects us to finish in a 4 way tie with Denver, Utah and New Orleans at 51 wins. Unfortunately, with our tiebreaker situation, that would probobly give us the 7 seed. Sure would be interesting though.
7th seed would be the WORST
as I think San Antonio is the toughest draw that would could get for a first round matchup… not that SA is better than the Lakers, per se, but after last night’s game I am so confident that the Blazers will be fired up to play the Lakers that I’d rather end up with the 8 seed than the 7 right now…
I'm confused....
Not by what you guys are saying, but by two of Hollinger’s numbers. I saw that he has the Blazers with a 4.7% chance of being the 9th seed and out of the playoffs. He also has them as having a 97.8% chance of making the playoffs.
Since those two positions are an either-or situation, shouldn’t the percentages add up to 100%?
by antediluvian on Mar 11, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
the 4.7% chance at missing the playoffs was from the previous day's (ie March 9th) projections
the 97.8% chance was from yesterday.
Today, the 11th, Hollinger gives us a 97.7% chance to make it and a 2.3% chance to finish 9th.
If we lose 15 more games
we would be 45-37.
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Magic numbers are a great
band, Give them a listen.
Its too early to be talking magic numbers but
the 15 losses in a row scenario described above is absolutely correct.
The magic number is calculated as G + 1 − WA − LB, where
* G is the total number of games in the season
* WA is the number of wins that Team A has in the season
* LB is the number of losses that Team B has in the season
* PA Popovich Arguments
with multiple teams it gets a little more complicated, but we have only one team to beat and that is Pheonix..
and this one
O+G+A+A+T = ‘One Game at a Time’
18 to 23 wins... One Game at a time...
The good news is that Portland hasn’t gotten on a long streak yet this season… That is threatening the league to get on a streak and be the “Hottest” team going into the playoffs.
One Game at a Time!
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 5, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
We will make the playoffs. Why?
Because that’s what Nate said the plan was at the beginning of the season.
Karma
yeh, where the rip did that thing go?
I was gonna ask him about it the other day. He must have thought it would be bad karma or something to leave it up…
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
More importantly
we will make the playoffs because I said we would.
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don't like numbers but found this useful...for the time being.
rec.
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Since you're talking scenarios so far from the end of the season, here's one...
If Phoenix wins their next four, and we lose our next four …. you won’t be discussing magic numbers for awhile.
Haha, yea but that's highly unlikely.
at Heat
at Rockets
at Spurs
vs Mavs
vs Cavs
They’ll be lucky to win two of those games
Agreed,
and that’s why the real question is not the magic number of reaching the playoffs, but two others: (1) finishing in the top 7 and not having to face the Lakers in the playoffs, and (2) finishing in the top 4 and getting home-court advantage in round one.
E=MC squared
cause it will take a nuclear explosion to make that happen
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The Laker's magic number to clinch
is eight. (83 – 49 Laker wins – 26 Phx losses).
The Laker’s number to be eliminated is 37 (83 – 12 – 34).
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 4, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
We’ve got to do everything we can to finish 3rd in the conference.
It’s not out of reach.
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honestly, would rather face the lakers in rd 1
as opposed to the spurs. blazers are going to be full of p & v every time they play the purple & gold from here on out.
the Lakers are much, much better than the Spurs
if the Blazers can’t get up for a playoff series, then they don’t have a pulse. SA is a much better matchup.
tought night
I have to root for both the Spurs and Rockets. Ugh.
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That didn't go so well for you
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Can't claim credit for that one...
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I'm assuming you mean the magic number of clinching a better record then them.
That would be 83 – (our wins + Spurs losses) = 83 – (38 + 20) = 25.
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 5, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
I mean, “Aye!”
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 10, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And a nerd, too.
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 10, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The Thunder are playing some really good basketballl right now
They are definitely no walk in the part
Shh. I'm trying to curse the Nuggets.
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 11, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry,
but I think that Carmelo’s team will kick the crud out of Chauncey’s team.
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by EngineerScotty on Mar 11, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as Durant doesn't play. With him, they are a lottery team
Without him, a dominant force of nature
by hoopsdreams on Mar 13, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
cleveland is beating phoenix
i don’t like clev that much but i started rooting for them seeing shaq get special treatment from the refs on both ends of the court. he knocked varejao down as varejao went up for a close-in hook (no foul, varejao on floor), then soonafter did his lower-the-shoulder slam into ilgauskas knocking him backwards and scored close in (a charge, uncalled).
he can’t leave the league soon enough for me.
ignacio
Kind of funny
That the GS tragic number is at 1 and they host Dallas tonight. They can assure themselves life for one more day with a victory! Go, Warriors!
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Good job Warriors..
and good job blazers..
thanks for the update, EScotty
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Yeah
4 reasonably winnable games. I include Atlanta in that because they are at the start of the trip, and not at the end when we are tired. We’ve got injuries to some key players, though, it would really help to have Greg beasting on Horford like in the NCAA final, and if Rudy is out that hurts pretty badly, too. But it is still winnable.
But every game on the trip is dangerous — Milwaukee is good at home (ask Utah, Dallas, and Houston), so is Indiana (ask everyone), and Houston lost at Memphis when they were on a back to back, like we will be.
2-3 would be a decent trip, 3-2 would be excellent, and 4-1 would be phenomenal.
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DWade!
Utah at Miami. Hope D-Wade goes for 60.
Is 50 good enough?
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Mar 14, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I guess I'll take it.
At least for tonight, the Blazers are in first!
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
by EngineerScotty on Mar 14, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Utah is hurting
They will be so tired in Orlando tomorrow, and that will probably make three tough losses in a row.
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