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Taking Stock: Part IV

It's time for a late conclusion to our two-thirds of the way through the season informal survey of our players and what we've observed/learned so far.  Today we look at the low-rotation players.

One, overwhelming observation applies to all of these players:  they're not ready yet.  Each has talent and potential or they wouldn't be getting the minutes they are.  Each of them has had opportunities for bigger minutes at various times in the season.  But none of them have grown far enough nor performed consistently enough to think about occupying a higher spot in the rotation yet.  So far fatal flaws have kept tantalizing promise in check.  But every one of these players is young.  The final chapters haven't been written yet.  In some cases we're barely beyond the prologue.

Other than that, it's still hard to make solid predictions on these guys.  Their present depends on what goes on with the roster/rotation around them.  That makes their future harder to read.  There's no "what we need to see for the rest of the year" section with these guys because they're not likely to jump their fences at this point and make a sustained difference in a playoff run.  Basically for each it's, "Work on your weaknesses and go all-out whenever you get to play."

Nicolas Batum

Major Stats:  17.8 minutes per game, 50.4% eFG%, 35.1% 3-pt%

The surprise starter at small forward continues to offer glimpses of the skills that earned him that position.  He is so light on his feet he might as well be ice skating out there.  His lateral quickness and defensive willingness separate him from most of his teammates.  It's not so much that he's defensively smart, even, just quick and committed.  His long arms also help him deny passes and poke away balls.  When he gets a lane to penetrate on offense he's one of the prettiest drivers and finishers in the league.  It's not so much thunderous power as controlled lightning.  He's dunking before defenders have left the ground to stop him.  His early play has already drawn favorable comparisons to Tayshaun Prince and Scottie Pippen.  While those are lofty names, visions of Batum as an effective starter down the line seem prudent.  He's already contributing using only raw material.  The refined product could be scary.

Batum has shown two major shortcomings so far:

1.  His body isn't developed or strong enough to take full advantage of his other physical skills.  He can get bullied or shrugged aside, especially on the boards, and especially against mature small forwards.  Granted the aforementioned Prince is pretty much a stick figure, but he's a strong stick figure with a multitude of talents that Batum hasn't evidenced yet.

2.  His offense has been sporadic.  Part of this is his position, as Blazer small forwards tend to camp on the weak side and shoot threes.  This doesn't take full advantage of his skills.  But part of it is also inherent.  He doesn't look comfortable shooting.  There's no real rhythm to his stroke.  He doesn't push the boundaries of his offense enough either.  When he's on Batum can be devastating, but that doesn't happen often.  We see 1-6 or 2-5 nights far more often.

The physical pounding and lack of offense make it difficult for Nate to leave Batum on the floor.  This works to his detriment on the nights he's really contributing.  We're going to see more of Nic in the future but apparently not much more than 20 minutes and 6 shots max this year.

The team's defensive efficiency remains steady whether Batum is on or off the court but oddly enough the effective field goal percentage allowed goes up when he's in the game.  The Blazers' own effective field goal percentage and offensive efficiency go up when Batum is in the game as well, but this may have as much to do with who plays behind him as his own production.  He's not taking shots away from more efficient, productive offensive players the way his back-ups do.

Sergio Rodriguez

Major Stats:  16.6 minutes, 3.7 assists, 2.42 assist-to-turnover ratio, 33% 3pt%, 38.5% fg%

The best way to describe Sergio's role this season is that he's finally been given the keys to the car but he's still on his learner's permit.  His minutes and responsibility are bigger and steadier than they have been in years past but both are more sporadic than those of any other rotation player.  He has learned how to set the offense but he's still not at Steve Blake's level in the halfcourt game.  His shot and scoring have been as dicey as ever but the last couple of months he has shown a newfound aggression and confidence which have served him well.  He's now more dependable from three-point range and less predictable when he drives.  Both allow him more latitude to make moves and passes and allow the coach to keep him in the game even when offense is needed.  Sergio has done a fantastic job of eliminating the wince-inducing offensive mistakes that plagued his first two seasons.  You seldom if ever see a bad pass from him anymore.  When he does commit an error it's usually forgetting the shortcomings of the player he's giving the ball to (e.g. Przybilla on the move 12 feet from the hoop or Aldridge at the three-point line with the clock winding down) than displaying his own.  Though he's putting in more effort and doing a better job of staying in front of his man individually Sergio is still an eyesore in the team defensive scheme, particularly when dealing with screens.  Much like Nic Batum he just doesn't have the body for full-contact NBA defense.

Put this all together and what do you get?  A lot of this--but that.  Sergio is hard to pin down at this point.  He plays a pretty good game that can occasionally range into brilliant but then you always worry about the other shoe dropping.  He's better than he's ever been but he's still short of what we need.  But for a guy who hasn't gotten steady playing time before this season "better" might be good enough.  You just wish for a little bit more when you're staring down the barrel of a Denver or San Antonio knowing you need a win.

Portland's defensive efficiency and effective field goal percentage allowed are both better when Sergio is on the court than off it.  However our offensive efficiency takes a nose dive when he plays.  Even with the bench players contributing to the downfall that's not good for a guy whose calling card is setting other players up for great shots.

Jerryd Bayless

Major Stats:  14.1 minutes, 1.66 assists-to-turnover ratio, 38.2% fg%, 26.9% 3pt%, 83.5% FT%, 40.5% eFG%

Jerryd Bayless has shown that he can do about one and a half things very well so far in this league.  When he gets a head of steam he can finish like an NBA superstar.  When he's around the basket on the move he's scoring or getting fouled or getting his shot blocked.  There's no passivity there.  He's aggressive and he's brilliant.  He also uses his physique to bounce around screens and absorb blows that leave our other guards standing flat.  His build allows him to take fouls and still get a credible shot up, making him unique among our point guards.  His 85% free throw shooting comes in handy there.   He's not accomplished at setting the halfcourt offense and Brandon Roy often handles the ball when Bayless is in though Jerryd defends the opposing point guard.  He has gotten better in the last month at finding open men off of the drive.  His assist-to-turnover ratio isn't sterling and is by far the lowest among the three point guards.

Bayless still gets lost on defense even though his vision is far better than it was when he first started playing.  His jump shot, or any shot not at the rim really, is a complete crap shoot, a phrase which could accurately be taken in both the gaming and the literal sense.  When his jumper is on he becomes dangerous but most nights that's not an issue.

We haven't seen enough of Jerryd to grade much more than the raw material.  It's hard to predict what his true position and style will be other than saying if it doesn't involve plenty of hard-nosed trips to the basket he's going to be wasted.

The offensive-defensive stats remain in the same vicinity when Bayless plays or sits, although Portland's effective field goal percentage goes down when he's in.  He's not yet drawing enough fouls to justify the lack of a jumper.

Channing Frye

Major Stats:  11.9 minutes, 2.3 rebounds, 40.5% FG%. 42.6% eFG%

It's safe to say that Channing getting fewer minutes than either Sergio or Jerryd isn't making this one of his top ten seasons ever.  (And he's only played four including this one.)  His abhorrent shooting percentage comes from him taking jumpers almost exclusively.   He's been hitting them since he's gotten more playing time with Greg Oden out.  He's also been rebounding with more intensity.  Channing has always needed minutes in order to perform, though.  The lack of them this year has turned him into a shadow of himself.  His inside game on either end has gone from "questionable" to "non-existent".  At times he's simply been painful to watch.  Then he'll get a run going in a quarter and you'll remember he's Channing Frye and should probably have a bigger role than this.

To Channing's credit his attitude has stayed overwhelmingly positive and supportive, at least in public.  He's a near-perfect teammate, a positive influence, and a fine team representative.  He's just not firing on all cylinders as a power forward.

I'm not a huge fan of cocktail stats like the PER but Channing's is at 9.2 as a power forward and 12.0 as a center.  The league average is 15.

I'm not sure on-off court stats are indicative here because unlike the players mentioned so far, Channing's minutes have depended on injuries and foul trouble for other players more than a set spot in the rotation.  Without consistency it's hard to account for variables.  Most things are nondescript except for offensive efficiency, which goes way down when Channing is in.

What we know about Channing basically boils down to "not a good short-spurt player".  Anything else will have to wait until his role gets bigger.

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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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You have to be careful about using on court/off court numbers with Batum

When Batum is playing that means that there is a 90% chance that Aldridge is also on the court and over 80% chance that Roy is on the court. The reason why the Blazers do better when Batum is on the court is probably because Roy, Aldridge, and the other starters are also on the court. The starting unit as a whole is more efficient on offense and less efficient on defense (likely due to facing the opponent’s starters) than the 2nd unit.

by trk on Mar 3, 2009 1:45 AM PST reply actions  

I think Dave mentioned that
The Blazers’ own effective field goal percentage and offensive efficiency go up when Batum is in the game as well, but this may have as much to do with who plays behind him as his own production.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 3, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I think in this case the important factor is who Batum is playing with, not who is playing behind him

The main reason why the offense is less efficient without Batum isn’t because Travis Outlaw takes a lot of bad shots. Instead, I think the main reason why the offense is less efficient without Batum is because if Batum isn’t in the game that means there is a good chance that Roy (this also goes for Aldridge, Oden, and Blake) isn’t in the game either.

by trk on Mar 3, 2009 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Behind as in on court (with)

Not behind as in comes in after him. That’s what I’m assuming.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 3, 2009 2:07 AM PST up reply actions  

when i read that, my first thought was, wait,

broy, rudy, and travis play the 3 when batums not in, huh?

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Mar 3, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice summary of our exterior young'un's...

Things I know now, I didn’t know at the beginning of the year:

Nic Batum:
Tayshaun Prince is closer to the baseline for Batum and not the ceiling.
Better passer than given credit for. In general a fantastic team player, more than willing to defer.
Most fluid and natural athlete on the team… very disruptive defensively with his surprising speed and length.

Jerryd Bayless:
Has achieved significant improvement already in his willingness to defer and pass to open teammates.
Not nearly the shooter I expected to see right away.
He can defend better than expected (at least better than he displayed at Arizona) mostly due to his toughness.
This is more an extension than a difference – Can and does penetrate the lane as easily against NBA competition as he did in college and the summer league.

Sergio Rodriguez:
He has proven to play better than expected with Rudy (and that’s saying a lot) and the entirety of the second unit.
Defensively he gets up on his guy much better, and earlier than he did last year.
Much improved but still inconsistent shot. Improved finisher, although will never be good in this department.
Better decision maker, higher ast/to, while still making crazy ridiculous passes.

Channing Frye:
Most disappointing player of the season.
His jump shot is off… that was supposed to be where he made his living.
Nonexistent inside game.
Really bad defensively in every regard.

by as11osu on Mar 3, 2009 1:46 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with you on Frye being the dissapointment of the season

However, he might be picking up his game right now the same way he did at the end of the year last year.

There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.

by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 3, 2009 2:09 AM PST up reply actions  

channing is only dissapointing

because we already have a starter that is a bit better then him, but plays the exact same game.

whats the point in having two power forwards who shoot 20footers all the time.. especially when they are both on the court at the same time. any pg, roy, any sf, channing and LA in at 5 or channing 5 la4 while odens hurt, once roy gets the ball, everyone else just waits near the 3 point line… who plays the block?

by Obsidian on Mar 3, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

For me Channing hasn't been dissapointing because LMA is better at the perimeter game

Channing was absolutely terrible at the beginning of the season, I mean he should have been sent to the D-league to learn some fundamental terrible. Fry and LMA can play the block, no they are not as good as Pryz and Greg but they can do it.

If Channing rebounds like he did at the end of the year last year and can step it up on the defensive end he will be good for the Blazers down the stretch run.

There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.

by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 3, 2009 4:54 AM PST up reply actions  

ive spent more time

shaking my head about oden than channing

I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.

by DNP (CD) on Mar 3, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Dave

I was listening to Nate the other day and he called Channing a “shooter” many times. I think Nate called him that more than he called him a “big.” It caught me by surprise.

by Dragline on Mar 3, 2009 6:22 AM PST reply actions  

Citing "season" stats for Bayless is highly misleading.

Dave, I understand why you did it, consistency etc., but it is still highly misleading.

More than any other player on the roster, Bayless’ stats have improved over the course of the season. Citing season stats averages awful stats from Nov. and Dec., with much improved play over the past month.

To see what I mean go to Basketball Reference (thttp://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/psplit.cgi?player=bayleje01&year=2009) and look at his month by month totals. Here are a few stats of note:

Nov. - Dec.: FG% .300, 3Pt% .000, AST/Game 0.9, AST/TO 0.9

January: FG% .359. 3PT% .158, AST/Game 1.9, AST/TO 2.0

February: FG% .489, 3PT% .429, AST/Game 3.1, AST/TO 2.3

The rapid progression is even more dramatic if you take into account that Bayless’ February stats were depressed by dramatically reduced playing time for the last few games, after Blake came back into the lineup and Bayless was reduced to short stints. Over the past month, Bayless’ assist numbers and assist/turnover numbers are competitive with both Blake and Sergio, particularly when adjusted for minutes/game. In addition, when you combine his shooting percentage numbers for February, with his ability to get to the line, Bayless has quickly become the most efficient scorer of our three PGs.

The defensive end is, of course, harder to evaluate in any objective manner. I think Bayless is the best on-ball defender, and the only one who can actually pressure the opposing PG. He does get beat off the dribble occasionally when he crowds quick PGs too closely. He does get lost occasionally, and he is sometimes late in his rotations, but I see rapid improvement at this end as well.

I am not saying that Bayless is ready for huge minutes. Blake is clearly our most consistent PG. Blake’s outside shooting is key to spacing the floor, particularly with Martell out. However, I think Bayless’ rapid improvement suggests just how much promise and potential he has, and clearly suggests that he has earned more minutes.

It is a difficult situation, Sergio has also improved, and I can understand how his supporters believe that he has earned playing time. To my eye, Bayless has a clear edge as a defender and a scorer. Sergio has an edge as a distributor. To me, Bayless’ rapid improvement in assists and assists/turnovers suggests that this edge is shrinking, and that the fall-off is no longer the large difference it was early in the season.

Over the long term, I think Bayless has a much higher ceiling because of his physical gifts; he has superior strength, speed, and athleticism. If I am right. it is in the team’s interest to develop these skills as quickly as possible. In spite of Sergio’s improved play, I think there is a clear case for Bayless getting the back-up minutes.

I know others disagree, but at a minimum, I hope that they will stop citing season stats to make their case. In this situation, the old saying is surely true, “liars figure, and figures lie.”

by upper left corner on Mar 3, 2009 7:02 AM PST reply actions  

Sergio's 3PT% also misleading

Sergio has become a reliable 3-pt shooter, but his official percentage is badly skewed because he is usually the one to take a buzzer-beater half-court shot at the end of the 1st quarter (and sometimes the 3rd). Nobody else on the team takes so many of these shots.

by CatMan2 on Mar 3, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Orly?

Bayless played more minutes in January than February, and he played WAY more minutes in either of those months than Nov-Dec combined.

25 of his 152 shots came in Nov-Dec
78 of his 152 shots came in Jan
49 of his 152 shots came in Feb

Ignoring Nov-Jan is silly when that’s where 2/3 of his production comes from, but since you want to do that…

FTA Per Minute
Feb: 21/172 = .122 FT/M
Jan: 53/257 = .206 FT/M

Bayless has become much worse at getting to the line in Feb. If you’re going to cite his stats only using his final month, please don’t mention him as being a beast at getting to the line.

by Zaig on Mar 3, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless became more efficient

He passed more and his utilization rate dropped while his percentage from the field went up. He improved his shot selection, and he increased his assist rate. In other words. he started showing that he can learn to be a point guard. Isn’t that the point? Bayless’ critics claimed he was an undersized shooting guard. Bayless is just proving them wrong. He is a work in progress, but I think it is hard to deny that he is well on his way. Now, if Nate will let him play….

by upper left corner on Mar 3, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, his February numbers are artificially boosted

by the first two performances of the month against NO and Dallas. If you look at his numbers for the other 3 and a half weeks, he shot 30% from the field, which looks a lot more like his early season numbers than any significant progression. I’ve said it before, but what you’re essentially saying is, because of two good performances nearly a month ago he deserves to be playing over Sergio now?

Admittedly, his assists and A/TO have been way up over these 3 and half weeks, 21 assists to 9 TO. for a 2.33 A/TO, which is what Sergio’s at for the season. Assist numbers alone weren’t enough to make up for Sergio’s horrible shooting last year and so he sat behind Jack. I don’t see why it’s all of a sudden different now.

by Royster on Mar 3, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you are reverse "cherry picking" to try to make your point

In the six games before Blake returned and Bayless got “regular” minutes on the floor he shot 20-39 or just over 50%. Bayless best run was from late January through mid-February when Blake returned.

I can’t remember the exact date, but I looked up Bayless PER early after Blake left and it was miserable about a 5.0 by the time Blake returned it was over 11. In order to turn a 5 into an eleven in about a month, he had to be averaging over 15 for the last month Blake was out. My point is that the progression I cite is very real and backed by the stats. Are you seriously going to challenge the validity of my basic argument?

by upper left corner on Mar 4, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

it depends on what you're calling your basic argument

if it’s that he’s improved over his early season form, then you’re absolutely correct, and I completely agree. If it’s that he’s turned some corner and now is playing significantly better basketball than Sergio, then I’m disagreeing.

In the 6 games you’re citing, he played 2 good games (NO, Dallas), one pretty good game (OKC), and 3 horrible games. And since the return of Blake, he’s been pretty mediocre in his minutes when he’s gotten them.

I think the other 34/35 games that Bayless has played are far more indicative of his ability to contribute right now than the 3 games that he’s played extremely well in. If you look at any stretch of the season that doesn’t include those two games (including the more recent ones), Bayless hasn’t set the world on fire. And don’t forget, those games had a lot to do with getting to play against Daniels and a Terry-less Mavs, who can’t stop a quick PG to save their souls.

Objectively, you’d have to say he’s improved, but there was a massive guif between what he was originally contributing and what we were getting out of our 2nd string backcourt at the start of the season, and I don’t think he covered enough of that gap yet to say that he NEEDS to be taking more minutes from Sergio or Rudy yet.

by Royster on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Defense, defense, defense

The main reason I have been such an advocate for Bayless, is because I see PG defense as a huge problem for the team. Blake consistently struggles against quick PGs, Parker, Brooks, and last night against Ford, being only the most recent examples.

Sergio has improved his man-to man defense. Guys still blow by him with too much regularity, but not at the truly catastrophic rate that they did last year. However, against teams with uber-quick guards and teams that use a lot of picks, Sergio is really exposed. His 176 lbs. frame and lack of outstanding quickness just beg to be exploited, and teams are answering the call.

Bayless is not a great defender. He gets burned as well. But Bayless has the speed and strength to develop into a better defender than either Blake or Sergio. For me, this is the reason he should be on the floor; the sooner Bayless develops, the sooner we will close the gaping wound that is our PG defense.

My point about the offensive end is that Bayless’ improved play means that there is now less of a fall-off in the distributor roll when JB plays. He is not as good as Sergio, but the gap is now narrow enough that his relative strength as a defender outweighs any offensive fall-off. Bayless is making better decisions, fewer turnovers and better shot selection. He desperately needs to find his outside shot, but when he does he is going to be very tough to defend.

by upper left corner on Mar 5, 2009 6:47 AM PST up reply actions  

if playeers had actual stock, i would figure you for a majority share holder in bayless

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Mar 3, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

At least, I can make a coherent argument for my position.

Rather than spouting verbiage, it is nice to back up your position with actual numbers. If you disagree with my argument, why don’t you make your case?

by upper left corner on Mar 3, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

We get it

Bayless had 6 decent/good games while Blake was out.

by Zaig on Mar 4, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind disagreement.....

…… I do mind when people refuse to acknowledge the evidence that is right in front of them because it does not agree with their preconceived notions.

Are you really going to refuse to acknowledge the validity of my basic argument? Bayless’ play has improved significantly and quickly. Of course it has not been a straight linear progression, some games are better than others, some match-ups are tougher than others, but the month by month stats are crystal clear. Bayless went from a PER of 5.0 to over 11.2 in about 4 weeks which means that he was playing above 15.0 for the last month Blake was out.

Besides, the real issue is defense. The reason I have advocated for Bayless is because of the consistent defensive struggles of Blake and Sergio. Bayless isn’t there yet, but I believe he has the physical tools and attitude to play much better defense than the other two. This is obviously harder to document statistically.

Let’s have a good, honest, and respectful discussion about the player’s strengths and weaknesses. For me it is about what is best for the team. When you guys make good arguments, I may try to counter them, but I will also try to be honest enough to acknowledge when the facts on the floor don’t support my position.

by upper left corner on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I sure with I could edit a post....

so I don’t have to answer myself to get the point made (hitting the wrong key and all)…

I had high hopes for Frye at the beginning of the season based on the reporting of his shooting and workouts over the summer. So to see him rack up so many DNP-CDs….and rightfully so, was kind of disappointing.

However in the past couple of weeks (since Oden’s knee booboo) he has played better, and it appears he is turning in another late season performance similar to teh one that endeared him to many of us last season.

We need him to be moderately effective for the next couple of weeks.

by antediluvian on Mar 3, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

it was great to see him roll to the basket sunday after setting a pick rather than just popping out for a missed jumper

I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.

by DNP (CD) on Mar 3, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

and he got multiple hoops that way.

I like Frye, I want him on the team. – Elgin

Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards

by 22baylor on Mar 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Sergio's 3 assists last game...

Were all to Frye. Part of this is because Outlaw/Rudy couldn’t shoot last game, but the other part is that Frye rolled to the hoop and got 2 layups.

by Zaig on Mar 3, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Was this written before the last SA game?

Channing had some absolutely beautiful inside moves on Sunday.
Nate didn’t seem to notice them either. I hope Channing remembered how that felt, because they were a thing of beauty.

I think they were off of Sergio passes, so that always helps.

by Section323 on Mar 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

Jerryd Bayless is obviously in the process of altering his shot mechanics.

  I am curious why I have never seen a Bedge write-up about the changes to Jerryd Bayless’ jump-shot mechanics. Jerryd, as his BEdge nickname suggests, does not have the greatest length. His release has always been a bit of a shot-put motion, but in the past he has made up for this through sheer athleticism. In high school and college he simply rose up over defenders and was rarely at risk of having his shot blocked due to his 40’ vert.
  Now he is being defended by stronger, quicker, faster, bigger, better men, who can effectively alter his shot at will. I am not in the huddle, or behind the scenes, but I guarantee you that the first thing the coaching staff did over the summer was to work on quickening his shot motion and raising his release point.
  How many of you out there have ever gone through this process? It is akin to changing your golf swing, or suddenly deciding that you want to sign your name with your left hand (or right for you south-paws)… it just doesn’t feel right at first until you put in the reps. After 10 years of shooting a particular way, his muscle memory right now is completely confused. NBA games do not afford a player to think, they need to be able to simply react. When I see Jerryd shoot now I see a confusion in his release… as if part of him still wants to shot-put it up there as he always has.
  I suppose what I am trying to say is this is not the year to evaluate whether or not Jerryd “can shoot the ball”. He is getting mostly garbage time minutes and he is working on his mechanics. Bet on Bayless as a shooter in the future once he gets these issues worked out and gets some regular burn instead of random PT.
  Jerryd Bayless shot .407 in college on a team where he was one of only two effective outside shooters and was often the sole focus of opposing defenses. Give it a year or two for this shot-transformation to solidify and you will see marked improvements in his FG% on jump shots.

kid: "Hey Jerryd, what's it feel like to dunk on someone?"

Jerryd: "It feels good"

by cic on Mar 3, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

...

last paragraph, I left out a bit of detail, should have been: “Jerryd Bayless shot .407 from beyond the arc

kid: "Hey Jerryd, what's it feel like to dunk on someone?"

Jerryd: "It feels good"

by cic on Mar 3, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

cant compare

college 3 pt % to NBA. college shouldve moved the 3pt line back years ago

I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.

by DNP (CD) on Mar 3, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

And you already mentioned the defenders

In the NBA he will never be able to elevate over his defenders like Lebron does. This could work in college because players are slower/shorter/less athletic on average. Not as easy in the NBA, although it can be done.

by Zaig on Mar 3, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

  An quite obviously that is not what I was doing DNP. Read it again and then get back to me.

kid: "Hey Jerryd, what's it feel like to dunk on someone?"

Jerryd: "It feels good"

by cic on Mar 3, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry

let me clarify. What I mean is that I never said that Jerryd would be a great 3 point shooter. What I said is that his outside shot will become more and more reliable in time.

kid: "Hey Jerryd, what's it feel like to dunk on someone?"

Jerryd: "It feels good"

by cic on Mar 3, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless is improving.....

Note my comments above. Bayless shooting percentage has improved every month. Last month he shot .489. That is a better percentage than Roy or Blake. I’m just saying…..

by upper left corner on Mar 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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It's pretty clear that the season is over already ;)
Double rainbow of sadness:

1) JBay is getting shorter
2) We never got to see him with a mustache

I miss you tiny raptor man.

via The Basketball Jones http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/02/09/things-of-note-for-february-9-2012/#more-34561
Blazers Broadcasters Mike Barrett and Mike Rice re-enacted NBA referee Scott Foster's controversial goaltending call on Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, who was defending Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star forward Kevin Durant, during this week's edition of Blazers Courtside. Remarkably, no one was injured during the taping of this segment.

Original video of the play here. 
Quotes from the players and coaches here. 
The NBA admitting it got the call wrong here. 
Dave's  extended thoughts here. 
BlazersMakr's FanShot: Major Vegas action on OKC prior to tip here. 
Audio of Chad Doing of 750 AM The Game going HAM on Foster here.

OK, that should just about wrap up the goaltending discussion.

Courtside video via Blazers Broadcasting cameraman John Curry.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
In 2008 Tim Donaghy indicated that Scott Foster was a ref that also fixed games
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As seen on www.trailblazers.com
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