Another Link and Some 70-Game Milepost Housekeeping
by Dave on Mar 20, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
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PrintFirst of all, I don't know how I missed this but thanks to PrezofDeath for highlighting it in the Fanpost section. Jason Quick had an extensive look into the Blazers' locker during their day in Indiana. If you haven't read it the link is here. Apologies to Jason for not getting such a comprehensive piece linked sooner. Great stuff.
Edit: Corvid gives us the link to the Cleveland edition.
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Second, we're approaching our 70th game of the season. To mark this milepost we're going to re-emphasize our philosophy around here on certain things, some of which have been slipping a little lately. This is the heart of the playoff run, to be followed by the team's first playoff series in five years. It's time to focus on that together. To that end...
1. The moratorium of trade talk will extend to the end of the season. Draft talk is fine, however, as the NCAA's bring up a lot of it. Just as long as it doesn't get too overwhelming. Make sure you check the sidebar for other draft threads before making your own. And let's not have a separate Fanpost for every single player who has a good game in the tournament. If you're going to write a draft Fanpost at this point make it more of an umbrella post.
2. We need to acknowledge that for this last stretch run the back-up point guard "controversy" is not the most significant issue on the table. Whoever you like, whoever you back, supposedly we're fans of the team. It's time to put the team first. When the Blazers make the playoffs, both Sergio and Jerryd will also. If they don't neither will.
After that Indiana recap thread I was seriously considering putting a moratorium on all backup point guard talk. Some sense has returned, I see, so I won't go that far at this point. Rather I will put a strong advisory up that any tension in conversation involving that issue is misplaced at this point in the season and needs to be defused through silence or letting go until the off-season. Escalation will be frowned upon. I would further suggest that unless one or the other of the principals in the issue has a significant outing (double digits in a stat, 15+ minutes, that kind of thing) we just let it be what it is and not bother. I didn't cover Jerryd Bayless' 5 minutes nor Sergio's 4 in the game recap last night and the world did not fall apart. I like both guys. Both have talent. It's not in the cards right now for either to make huge contributions. We'll talk about the seasons of both extensively after our run is over. That's pretty much it.
3. I want to re-emphasize that the use of the word "YOU" in comments is almost always unwelcome around here. Right now I have the accounts of half a dozen people open in separate windows in my browser. I am reluctant to ban folks at the most exciting part of the season but some of you are getting close. "You didn't watch this game" or "You are a [fill in blank]" or other such slights are not appropriate here. Talk about points, NOT other people. If you're a chronic "you" person, even when you get riled up take a moment to re-read your comment without the "you" sentence and see if it doesn't come across just as clearly...including and especially the parts that disagree. Everybody loves to read intelligent, passionate debate. Reasonable people are starting to roll their eyes at the back and forth sniping. It makes everybody look like fools and that's bad for the site as well as the people involved.
The idea is lots of discussion, lots of debate, tons of passion, but at the end of the day everybody's together. Thirteen games to go. It's time to buckle down and do this thing.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Thanks!
And you bring up one I forgot! No more “firsts” in anything but the Gameday Threads. And don’t bother racking up people who make the mistake of forgetting that because I’m just going to delete those out of place “firsts” from now on.
You are the man for your non-firsty comment!
And before anybody cracks wise…“seconds” and “thirds” are not immune either.
—Dave
If one picture is worth 1,000 words
then I’m easily the most loquacious BEdger of all time.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
ugh, 13 minutes ago "sergios numbers are superior"
LOL some people won’t learn. I dont know if Soci didnt read this post or just disregarded it, but funny stuff just the same. but also kind of lame.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Mar 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions
Can I ask a dumb new guy question? Not too much of a tangent, I hope-
Occasionally I see comments that are highlighted in green, with a snazzy asterisk….what is the significance of this? Have those posters contributed financially to Ben and/or Dave? Haha. Are other colors available? I was saving this for a junk drawer, but anyway…
BTW—I am getting seriously addicted to BE—thanks for all the hard work.
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Sorry, felt obliged to give a joke answer before anybody could give the real answer
Those comments are lit up when they get over a certain number of recommendations from other readers. I think the level is set to 7 right now.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
do you think we'll see an increase in the rec minimums at some point?
The seven rec rule has really helped… you mentioned at the time possibly raising the limit to ten recs.
draft dejuan blair
For comments, probably not
I think the right amount of green comments are showing up…common enough that you see it, rare enough that it’s a special accomplishment. I haven’t been keeping track of the fanpost flow now that things have gotten busier. I’ll look at it more after the season ends, I think. If we need to go to 10 I’m fine with that.
—Dave
jscot is hogging the recommended post...make his go to 15 recs.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
definitely
getting a comment five recs is rare enough that it’s satisfying.
i think the seven rec rule has really helped the “rec’d” section have pretty quality material, but there are still a few that sneak through the cracks. Definitely something to consider, increasing the limit.
draft dejuan blair
I am absolutely preased and plowed
to make your comment Green Mr. RenoBlazerFan. – Elgin
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
Woohoo!
I am numb all over
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Those, my friend
are comments that have received the most recommendations from people. The “actions” link under each comment opens up a menu that lets you recommend a comment as excellent. If five people do this for your comment it turns green so everyone can pay attention to it. There’s also a “flag” option in that menu for comments that are inappropriate or violate site policy. Every once in a while you’ll see a red comment. It’s going to get deleted soon.
—Dave
by Dave on Mar 20, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure what's in there
as the Gameday Threads move slowly for me. But I just hid the whole post to be safe.
You’ve not seen red comments because they happen infrequently and are deleted as quickly as I find them.
—Dave
I'm curious about this too
I’ve never seen one either. What makes a comment turn red? Multiple flags?
Yup
Although to be fair things usually don’t get that far. Even a couple flags gets you looked at and almost always deleted. If your comment went red it probably means you got banned instantly the moment it was deleted.
And by the way, this brings up something I should have said above. I might in the future. Please use the flagging system appropriately. Half the time the problem is that somebody said something inappropriate and only one person flagged it. But just as great of a problem is that people will flag as a joke or because they just disagree with something that was said. It actually takes time for me to go through these and I hate chasing flagged comments that were perfectly fine.
—Dave
You're still cool if we self-moderate in gameday threads?
We try to remind newer folks about language and pictures instead of flagging on first offense.
Yeah
As long as the person is responsive. Self-moderation is the ideal for a community…it’s certainly my ideal for this one. If the first F-bomb somebody drops ever on the site is followed (once they are told by somebody) by an apology and an admission that they didn’t know I actually consider that incredibly positive. I may delete their comment but I don’t say anything else to them. However if there are multiple ones or they talk smack when you remind them then they get tossed out the door.
—Dave
Hmm
So there’s an unwritten Freebie F-bomb I can hold in reserve. Excellent.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
On gameday threads, probably only 1 out of 10 isn't apologetic
And for that one person, after two or three bad comments, there’s always one or two replies of just “flag”.
So cool, that sounds like a “mod-approved” method. :)
As long as you actually flag
and don’t just type “flag”, yeah. That system sounds perfect to me. And I appreciate you guys.
—Dave
do you actually read the message in the flag?
Or should we just click flag and leave the box empty?
draft dejuan blair
Oh I do that
I was flagging the heck out of a guy. Each time I saw that guy I flagged him hard and fast. I flagged him every way I could. I flagged him left handed, I flagged him right handed, I flagged him with a mouse, and I flagged him with a touchpad. Nothing happened so I thought flagging didn’t work and just started flagging lame comments.
I think I flagged you once or twice as a joke. Apologies to you and Dave for the additional work
I thought he only gets notified about posts that get multiple flags anyway.
It all depends on the situation
If you’re the onlly one flagging him it might not work as well. I do try to read all flagged comments but some nights I only bother with the ones with 2 or more flags. Also sometimes while I understand the flag I don’t view it as a deletable comment. This could happen for several reasons. Sometimes the flagger is just having a bad day or appears to have a beef with somebody. Sometimes the comment is borderline acceptable but it has many decent comments in the reply thread following which would be erased also if I deleted the original comment. It all depends. Flagging isn’t automatic authority to banish stuff, it just brings it to my attention.
—Dave
I know it's evil
But I really have a desire to flag Dave’s comment. I’m resisting the urge. But just barely.
un-reccing
there should seriously be something between flag and rec, where maybe the person isn’t cursing or violating the sprit of the site, but maybe they say “pryzbilla looks like a red-aff today” or something like that. I don’t know. There’s this site called Reddit where you can up or downvote comments, then the cream rises based on how people vote. That’s the best forum technology in my opinion.
Anyhow, keep up the great work as always Dave and Ben!!!
Aaah: light bulb...
thanks everyone
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I have now decided that 3 more of you need to rec my original question-
C’mon—wouldn’t it carry more weight if my question about green comments was actually green?
And is it crass to nakedly pander for recs?
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
-1 for requesting recs!!!!
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
by broyposse on Mar 20, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Yeah…there’s a whole culture that’s grown up around those green comments. Begging for recs is considered quite crass. I didn’t make that up myself, either. It just happened.
—Dave
What is your phone number??
My lawyer needs to call you
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The way to get a comment or fanpost rec'd
is to demand that no one rec it. Tough to do when it’s your own comment or fanpost. It helps if you have a couple of aliases. You could go with RenoBlazerFaninRehab and Dragqueen.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 20, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
very sneaky
how many posters have more than one screen name, do you suppose?
This very popular blog could really just be 7 schizophrenics…
It's spelled "PRZYBILLA."
vanillathrillagorillaprzybilla
by RenoBlazerFan on Mar 20, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's easy to know if you are rec'ing yourslef by looking at the profile
you’ll get called out i’m sure if that happens…but give it a shot so we can flag it!!!
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I know of two commentors with aliaseseses
DraftTylerHansbrough has 2 other identies
bdizzleistheshizle also has an alter ego.
a few open threads back
both bdizzle and CaptainObvious appeared, both aliases of a BE poster.
draft dejuan blair
captain obvious and bdizzle have different owners
just to clarify ;-)
Bedge or go home -- Sabonis4Ever
A newer Quick link
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/03/behind_the_blazers_locker_room_1.html
This time, from the Cleveland locker room. Absolutely wonderful stuff, especially about LaMarcus.
by Corvid on Mar 20, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
that's funny
I’ve had a concussion and yeah… I was happy to just be okay. I understand LaMarcus being excited and relieved.
draft dejuan blair
LOL!
Craig Sager from TNT sashayed his way into the locker room in his light blue shoes
i can’t picture him getting around any other way…
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
by SabonisBonus on Mar 20, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m desperately trying to picture him wearing more than just the light blue shoes…
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
by pxilpooshr on Mar 20, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
by SabonisBonus on Mar 20, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I luuub our Blazers and lub this site. It makes me want to sing!!!!!!!!!!!
[Dave, Ben, Fatty]
We go together like rama lama lamake ding a de dinga a dong
remembered for ever like
shoo bop shoo wadda wadda yipitty boom de boom
[Edgers!!!]
Chang chang chang-it-ty changshoo-bop
That’s the way it should be
Wha oooh yeah!
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I love my delete button ;)
…. I’m trying dave I realllllly reallllllly am. :)
delete to post ratio is still like…….15 :1
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
You, sir
have been one of our success stories. One of the things I talk about with other bloggers sometimes is the importance of tough moderation but the equal importance of second chances and grace amidst that toughness. You prove the point. And thank you.
—Dave
I've been impressed
I used to roll my eyes at certain posters, and wondered why you let them stay around, but it seems that even polarizing posters, such as AK1984 (self-admittedly one of strong opinions), really do better and better as they stay longer.
Kudos to you on the self-control.
draft dejuan blair
he was the original
you can’t dump the original
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
by SabonisBonus on Mar 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Simple
He stays around because his unbearably good looks attract all the girls to the blog. You didn’t think it was our writing, did you?
—Dave
I've always said
I visit Blazers Edge for the chicks.
by tominhawaii on Mar 20, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
:)
honor’d I am dave to be in somewhat of gooooood graces again….
I’ve had people brush me the wrong way before, and have had the hardest time exercising the lessons you’ve taught me as far as giving benefits of doubt, and second chances…
thanks dave…
you too ben, this is really the best blog by far that I’ve ever participated in :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
If the backup point guard is our major controversy . . .
. . . things can’t be that bad. Nobody is arguing over:
- Will LaMarcus live up to expectations?
- Who should start, Oden or Przybilla?
- Do you think we’ll make the playoffs?
- Dump Blake!
- Fire Nate!
There hasn’t even been any Travis-hating in a long time. And the amount of moaning after losses has been pretty mild too. I think it’s a great time to be a Blazer.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
I love the Travis appreciation
finally…
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
by SabonisBonus on Mar 20, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
just as I foretold
they have mostly come around. Mostly, – Elgin
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
Thanks Dave
For maintaning a great and civil site… The Blazers deserve a site like this one, and you do a tremendous job as Blazer ambassador to the blog nation.
"Look at you,'' the coach said. "You're lookin' like a player, like a warrior. Ice bags, bandages ... that's how a player is supposed to look.''
Seconded
I thanks Dave privately earlier (he deleted a thread that I’d helped escalate, which I’d felt bad about).
Modding always seems smooth here, and nobody gets angry with any mod decisions (publicly at least). Which means the mods do great work and don’t get recognized much.
Good work guys.
Dave,
I’m definitely one of the people in your window. And I apologize. It was definitely a frustrating day yesterday, and you know how the turning friends into Blazer fans is hard? Turning them into soccer fans is impossible. Once they go to a game, they love it but the nay-saying, can get extremely frustrating.
That is no excuse for me lashing out in the MLS thread, and I am sorry.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
by TheOdenator on Mar 20, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
WHAT???
You mentioned SOCCER on this site? You’re going to get banned for that, dude.
Imagine the nerve!
—Dave
Though the way the scoring went
in the first quarter last night I did wonder if the Blazers were trying to emulate the Timbers.
—Dave
by Dave on Mar 20, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
ouch
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
From the back of Greg Oden's Franz card: Nickname: Jaws. Has an insatiable desire to tear rims apart while cruising the open court, and was once interested in using head-gear for his profession.
Dave hates it when people don't call it football
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 20, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep wanting to get banned somehow without cussing
I even created a user name similar to Toms (because I know you secretly hate him) in an effort to get banned. It just hasn’t worked. Why do you give people so many chances???
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That guy is lame. I can't stand him.
I can see how it could confuse you. I get you confused with pslakerfan.
No "rehab" ain't me
mine was TominHawiian (which I thought was funnier)
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think so now
wait til you see this
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was already the villain
in your evil little fairy tale…..so what? Is it on-er
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah...so it was compliment
how could I miss that?
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually I wanted to be offended
but it was one of the funniest bits you have done in a long time ….especially the part about the sequel …I was bummed I came in late that day (stupid work) and didn’t see it until you already had 150 comments or so….alll good comebacks were taken…I had to just do a re-tread of my Grinch post
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm working on an epic post
I’m going to talk about Oden and Durant, also how we should contract every team in the NBA and then I’m going to call out every single SB Nation blog. I’ll get like 2.45 million compliments.
You should do that
When I wrote that last song I truely intending to post it on Canus Hoopus …then decided it just would prove the point S&P was making by calling us Blazer Fans out to begin with (or maybe I just chickened out…I haven’t decided yet).
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe so
but I have been loved in this life…many times….but I have never been truely hated before….it would be unique
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is
If I called out every blog, I would only get one ore two folks from each blog when it would be just as easy to get Timbo riled up so that he starts replying to himself.
by tominhawaii on Mar 21, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm.....nice plan
Minimum effort for maximum results…I like it
"You're welcome friend
I love you."
- Tom "Dragline" inHawaii
by 92wastheyear on Mar 21, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
two for one
so much more convenient that way. Kind of like one-stop shopping. – Elgin
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
You got mad in a soccer thread on a basketball blog?
And you had people that actually argued with you?
That’s just crazy. I don’t live in Portland so I didn’t pay attention to it. That blows my mind though. I was wondering why it had so many comments.
YOU, BE & TNT
have it !
Thanks to KGW & TNT, or else it’s radio, radio & radio.
Well I suppose more work gets done while listening !
P.S. – Note to GO. Keep it up and don’t listen to the naysayers,
critics and pundits. Just read & live the tag line !!
It's GO time !
Huh ???
Internet abbrieviation thesaurus required ???
The field, court, diamond, classroom and other’s are
my domain, but . . .
It's GO time !
You can't watch the games right?
Here is a video highlight recap. Go to his youtube channel for a bunch more.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 20, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks !
I’ve learned to accept the circumstances and be
content in radio, BE and a few KGW games off my rabbit ears !
It was very comfortable for many years, when I could watch most of
the games from the comfort of my own couch, but thanks to
the deal with COINCAST, those days are gone ! I’m not really
interested in watching JTV, etc, but 30+ years as a Blazermaniac
are hard to quickly drop !
GO Blazers !!
It's GO time !
Dave, are you ever watching.....?
Great posting.. when do we get a moratorium on Oden is a bust talk?
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Oden's taking care of that himself
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
by 22baylor on Mar 20, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
great answer and as it should be
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Thanks Dave
That needed saying,an average of 2000[?] coments per gameday thread must be a handfull for “you” to keep up with.
by southern oregon on Mar 20, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
Honestly, I think gameday threads are often quiet these days
There are a lot of regulars there, we self-moderate when possible, and we actually don’t get that many trolls.
(Unless they get deleted before I see it, but it’s a real-time update!)
I sometimes look at the other teams gameday thread
And 100 comments is a busy nite
by southern oregon on Mar 20, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, it's totally nuts here
Dave and I were talking earlier about how the busy nights bog down the browser.
SBN is aware of it, and is prepping for possible Blazer playoff games (as per Dave). I wonder if we’ll break 3000.
The good news is that, during regular old gameday threads, everyone is pretty well behaved. Everyone lets the occasional negative or off-the-cuff comment go as “heat of the moment”, and we rarely get serious offenders. At least, that’s based on watching in real-time (they may deal with more behind the scenes like DOS attacks or something)
I guarantee we'll break 3000 on a road game
we kind of did on opening night already, including the pregame thread.
draft dejuan blair
I would appreciate regular posts on Bedge best practices
I’m a little new to this whole online-community-thingey and I keep wondering if I’m doing it right or what unwritten rule I don’t know that I should have known I’m breaking now. Besides writing weirdly. Writing in a weird manner. Maybe a monthly state of the Blazers Edge.
Sorry mom.
It won’t happen again. I’ll go clean my room too. (sarcasm)
I didn’t realize we had to give up some rights to post here.
No trade talk.
No comparing and contrasting back up point guards.
No “you” posts.
Chill out Dave. This is a SPORTS fan web site. Talk about taking yourself (does that count as a “you”?) too serious.
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
It's Dave's site.
If someone comes into your house, you reserve the right to set the rules and determine behavior.
Same concept here. It’s Dave’s house, and we are all minding the house’s rules.
draft dejuan blair
Bingo!
This isn’t some kind of free-speech zone. Dave’s pretty relaxed about the rules, and simply expects a base level of decorum.
If this is unacceptable to you, that’s cool. But it means you’re probably at the wrong site then.
If you stay within the (fairly easy-to-follow) rules, you’ll probably enjoy the conversation here.
Base level of decorum?
I’m not advocating vulgar laguage or personal attacks, but some of the “rules” are rediculous. Let people speak there mind on the topics they want. Thats all im saying.
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
NOW I get it!
Babar1 (not going to say the “Y” word) is stirring it up in a string meant to minimize this kind of behaviour. That’s really cute!
seriously
why does everyone misspell ridiculous on this blog? I missed an in joke somewhere, book it.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
Banning “You” statements is relaxed?
I love this site, but relaxed it is not. taking topics off the board because it leads to passionate disagreements seems a tad bit anal. I dont think argument is outside the fairly easy to follow rules.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
I believe that he said that comments that using the word "YOU"
too much indicates one may have a higher likelihood of being argumentative or attacking. The word isn’t banned, he’s suggesting being cognizant of one’s use of the word as a gauge of the propriety of what’s being written.
Its not the disagreements
it is the manner in which they are voiced. Differences of opinion are welcome, but they need to be civilized. No name calling, no obscenities. We like to have discussions here, not arguments. There are plenty of places to argue, but BE isn’t one of them. We say things like “I don’t agree with that” rather than “only an idiot would think that”.
by jorga on Mar 20, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
As long as
it isnt a debate about Bayless being better than Serg. . .. .
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
I shall rec thee as well Jorga
The difference between a good debate and senseless bickering is often a matter of tone. I have a huge amount of respect for posters who are able to disagree but do it respectfully — it’s one of the highlights of this place.
i don't think he's stopping you from posting it elsewhere...
like Oregonlive…or outerspace
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
That's a very Bushian reply.
“If you don’t like it, get out.” Wow.
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
not meant to be G dubs there...just trying to be light-hearted
apologies if i offended you. i’m not sure if i used the sentence “if you dont like it, get out.”
anyhow, you know what i mean…everyone has the freedom to participate on any site they are welcomed…as long as the members who join do so in agreement to the rules set by the owners…
i just hated myself for being serious there.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I told your mother you are sorry
She says she forgives you.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 20, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The point is that there has been trade talk (which was a very appropriate discussion topic before the deadline, but right now there is nothing we can do to even virtually improve the team) and comparing of backup point guards and such. At infinitum. Problem is, the arguments one can make are limited and it gets repetitive fast – and faster than someone not posting so frequently might realize who just thought this post was a good original idea. Regarding the “you” posts, that just helps to keep stupid comments and personal attacks low.
Just my opinion
But it seems as though YOU (dave) are taking this censorship thing a little too far. Banning the use of the word ’YOU"? Seriously?
Im not sure where you grew up talking sports (probably int the Portland area like most of us) but colorful banter back and forth over players on our favorite team is part of the reason sports is so great. I realize that the Sergio v Bayless thing gets a little heated, but it is something that people want to talk about and make their points heard. I certainly think Bayless should be the starter, but I love reading posts from people who back Sergio and the argument for either side is fun.
I love this site, but at this rate the only things left to talk about will be non-controversial topics like “on a scale of 1-10, how awesome is Brandon Roy?”.
Sergio v Bayless
Trade Martell?
What to do with Batum?
Who should we trade for?
These are the topics that get fans fired up and are the most fun to discuss. As long as no-swear words or openly violent threats are used, what is the problem? This site is the best place for Blazer fans, but in your attempt to fuel only “reasonable & intelligent debate” you are dumbing down the material we are “allowed” to discuss which will do nothing but create a homogenous mass of people all saying the same thing because arguing and passionate disagreement are now frowned upon and any topic that leads to such things will be banned.
I will still continue to visit, but I think YOU are taking this a little too serious.
Derftron
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
by Derftron on Mar 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the point is
maybe Poster A says, “I like Bayless. He is a better point guard and passer than Sergio.”
Poster B: “You are stupid. Sergio’s passing is better.”
The problem is that the argument should deal with Sergio, not the person making the counterpoint.
draft dejuan blair
ok
That would fall under a “personal attack” type of thing.
But saying something like….
“you must not be watching the same game” or
“you cant be serious with that opinion” or
“you really think Serg is a good defender? I dont think you are looking at what I am”
…..should not be monitored. Open name calling and cussing should be discouraged, but colorful banter should not be.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
"Watching the game" is a good example. It's safe to assume about everyone posting here watches many Blazers and NBA games, only their perception might be different
It’s a moot point to make, the other personal will almost definitely feel attacked, and one can make the same argument without that snide remark. “You can’t be serious” is something I would consider appropriate
There in lies the problem
Turning a place to discuss sports and the Blazers into a place where every comment is picked through with a fine toothed comb and analyzed for “hurtfulness”. No personal attacks and no swear words are good enough rules, we dont need to start banning topics and phrases that question someone else’s reasoning. I dont think spirited debate is over the line, its a part of most peoples everyday life (business, politics, sports, etc.)
Saying “are you even watching the game” is a little snide but it creates some emotion in the argument. It would be a little thin skinned of someone to really get hurt over that kind of comment
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Ok who just wants to argue about something today?
A request for good behavior is just that. A request for good behavior. It is not an attempt to drain your soul of all unique characteristics. No one is an island. What we say effects everyone. It helps to have a set of rules we can all adhere to to avoid conflict. We can all, if necessary take a moment to scream into a pillow if need be, but it’s best if in the meantime we remain mindful of others.
Also I think a major point of this post is a plea that people remain well mannered because Dave doesn’t enjoy “going through posts with a fine tooth comb”. He enjoys analyzing and rooting for the Blazers.
So then… back to that.
Go Blazers!
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
It's not outright hurtful, but the other person immediately gets defensive
I highly doubt Dave or Ben would ban someone just for a remark like that, that indeed would be overly sensitive. It’s just not the best way to start a debate, spirited or not. From that point on things easily escalate when you feel like attacking the poster and not the argument. I fall into these traps from time to time myself, but while I have learned to observe myself and usually walk away in time, some people maybe don’t and then it gets to the point stuff gets deleted and people get banned. It’s not necessary.
Points taken
And I wasnt implying that it was an “attempt to drain my soul of all unique characteristics”, and by the new set of rules, you exagerating my comment to misrepresent what I said could hurt my feelings and lead to an escalation of the argument. Because I actually have a backbone, that does not bother me (nor should it), but thats where I dont want it to go, where every little jab is frowned upon.
If I come on here to vent about the blazers (good or bad), I like the fact that somebody might REALLY disagree with me and question what I am thinking. And if somebody cant control themself and takes it too far, then they should feel the wrath of Dave or Ben.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
really derftron
are you even paying attention to the same board?!?
heheh
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
My Two Cents
I think I understand where you are coming from. The difference for me lies in the company. Watching the game with some friends, you bet your ass I’m going to tatoo my point on their forehead and ridicule them until they concede that I am all knowing. At the same time I know them, I know their temperaments, I also know their current mood.
While there are many here that know each other personally, or at the least each others’ writing styles, sense of humor, tolerance levels and such, there are plenty that don’t. Humor, especially sarcasm, and that’s assuming that the comment is even intended as such, can easily be misconstrued, especially over the interwebs. Who’s to blame, the person who didn’t like the remark and flew off the handle back, or the one who assumed they wouldn’t be offended in the first place? What one thought was an “all in good fun” snide remark, becomes a not so good fun personal attack back, the cat fight ensues, soon enough Sergio and Bayless fans are burning crosses on each others’ screen savers.
I read Dave’s post not so much as a Gestapo edict, but more as a “come on guys…really?” There are snide remarks and ribbing all over these boards. I don’t think that will change. I view this as a friendly reminder to be smart about it, know your crowd, be sensitive to people’s thresholds, act accordingly. All in order to maintain a civil atmosphere for the diverse group that we are. While some have disagreed with Dave’s prose, it seems most agree with the message. Nobody wants the boards full of negative comments, personal attacks and otherwise useless drivel.
Except me. I would like more drivel.
*This is my impression of Dave’s post. Dave please forgive me, and correct me if my interpretation is incorrect, and I’ve just added more drivel to the boards…which leaves me conflicted…I love drivel…loathe being wrong.
***I think most have pretty much gotten my point across by just saying “police yourself.” I admire their brevity. I apologize for the length of this post. I am lonely, and enjoy the irony of apologizing for the length of my post, while making it longer.
I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.
You aren't seeing the big picture
with the playoffs coming up there will be plenty of things for Blazers fans to discuss. Certain topics have been run into the ground. Because of some of the limits inherent in the design of the SBNation sites it’s for the best to limit repeat topic postings.
As for the you thing. Just in general it creates a more enjoyable community atmosphere to reduce the ad hominem arguments. The easiest way to do this is to, as a rule of thumb, avoid over using the pronoun you. It helps you keep things about the topics at hand and not personal attacks.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
Certain topics have been run into the ground?
How about for new posters or people who can’t log on every day? Are we supposed to guess at what’s already been discussed or go back and read every comment on every thread form the last week to make sure we dont rehash something?
How about, if I’m not attacking you or being vulgar, don’t censor me. If you (whoops) dont want participate in ANOTHER discusion about a previously discussed topic, then dont.
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
Is it an imposition to read the previously posted threads?
Your spirit of righteous freedom of expression is admirable, but slightly misplaced.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
I dont think so.
By the way, is mocking someone because they mispelled a word a personal attack?
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
Seriously that word gets misspelled here ten times a day
and I thought it was on purpose.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
That's funny.
I shall go forth and spell check every post you’ve made and find the proof that your intelligence is to be questioned and mock you for that mis-step on line, in front of thousands of people I don’t know, sitting being their key boards!
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
I spell horribly
there is no need to spend the time on that I admit my faults redily. You can go through my posts and find previous comments where I’ve asked if rediculous was a purposeful spelling. You’ll find a few. I intended nothing personal in the question. I thought I was missing something.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
You can go through my posts and find previous comments where I’ve asked if rediculous was a purposeful spelling.
I can vouch for that. It wasn’t a personal shot. I’ve seen him ask it before with other posters.
(Pxil, as an aside, I always thought it was a sign of the reduction of spelling ability overall, plus the lack of use of Firefox, where you can right-click and correct misspelled words)
I wouldn't bother.
I was jsut kidding anyways. Slow day at work, you know what I mean?
Man standing on toilet is high on pot.
You don't have to guess what has been popular (read: good or controversial), SBN provides a helpful overview
http://www.blazersedge.com/fanposts/popular/day
http://www.blazersedge.com/fanposts/popular/week
You can get that view by clicking on the fanposts navigation tab at the top. Yes we can!
I just think
that regulating and discouraging topics just because people argue about it is a bit much.
And, no, I didnt miss the big picture. I realize that people want to keep this the happiest, friendliest, gosh darn snuggly sports blog around, but I just think that strips away an important piece of what makes sports so fun which is the opinions that are generated and the emotions that back those opinions up. Personal attacks are lame and thats not what I am arguing for. I just dont want a great place to discuss the Blazers to turn into Superfan blog #1 where only 200% positive comments about every player and person in the organization is allowed and nothing can be argued passionately without it getting “banned”
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
It's a perfectly reasonable request that people attempt to avoid stated behavior
put forth by the person who runs the site. I find that there is plenty of leeway and plenty of colorful comments and banter and rarely if ever a deserved banning let alone a gestapo like undeserved one. I take this post of Dave’s above as a gentle reminder and nothing more.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
To see the end result of no-holds-barred, look at the comments section beneath every Jason Quick article on O-Live.
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
or if you really want to see comments get out of hand. Check youtube.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
And it is perfectly reasonable for me to disagree
I believe the originial rules have created a good environment for debate and general fandom of the Blazers and I think that taking those rules even further would take away from part of what makes this site and sports talk in general, fun.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Argument and disagreement is nothig to be scared of.
As long as the language rule is adhered to and nothing gets super personal.
This place is nothing like O-Live, ESPN, or most other blogs, and it has been kept that way with a few simple rules. Expanding on those is unnecessary IMO.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
We agree on this.
I don’t read this as an expansion of anything. Dave was slogging through some egregious comments and posted this as a plea that we police ourselves.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
thats fine
Stating a plea for people to keep the quality of their posts up is A-ok with me.
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Yourony
er, rather, irony. I wrote that mindful of the topic, and as an attempt at lighthearted diffusion.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
It would also be nice
that instead of a comment saying only “+1” (and a six line signature) that you rec the comment you like and forget about making one of your own.
by jorga on Mar 20, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
That's a toughie
The “+1” is a classic internet-ism now. I can understand why people do it… it’s one thing to hit rec, but a +1 is meant to mean something stronger. It’s a person’s way of being identified by name as saying “I couldn’t have said it better myself” but shortening it to a symbol and number. It’s like co-signing a statement.
For the record, I agree it’s kinda lame. I’m more of an “I agree, and…” with one or two sentences. That way I feel like some content was added. But I’ve grudgingly come to accept the “+1” culture over many years now.
by Timmay! on Mar 20, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
splffffft
OK, I understand. Just seems like a waste of bandwidth.
For me rec’ing something is “exactly what I was thinking”. I’ll rec it instead of saying same.
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by 92wastheyear on Mar 20, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
if you say rec
people know who agrees with them, if you just give them a rec they might not check their comment and know it got supported.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 20, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
drinking haterade jorga!!!! double props are the best form of flattery
you are lucky i didn’t stay around to drink and unrec you in person @ b.e.n.
+1!!!
rec
woot woot
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
everything Andy was saying that night...i said "unrec or rec"
then gave a one finger…
you would have really hated me.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I try to help the Sergio/Bayless debate issue...
by maintaining a very high and keenly honed level of ignorance.
Facts, in my hands, would simply be like a box of fireworks to a redneck.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
Yoo hoo !!!
Sorry to shout. Also, sorry to post an entirely new comment thread when I’m really just wanting to respond to some of what is said above. Problem is that I wasn’t sure where the best place might be, and I also didn’t want this comment to get lost in a digression. Because it’s so VERY important, seeing as how it’s MINE.
Plenty of good stuff here today. My point is a simple one: the limitations of this blog format are part of what is driving the policy. Not all, certainly, but part. The space in the sidebar is quite limited, even if you are displaying up to 50 Fanposts, as I am. Without some reasonable guidelines, a few hot-button topics would quickly overwhelm everything else.
We’ve been pretty creative on BE: the Junk Drawer, for example, helps to channel some stuff that probably shouldn’t appear in more basketball-centric Fanposts. Nevertheless, there is a fundamental problem with the blog format, which is that you can’t have permanent or semi-permanent areas for posting particular kinds of things. Examples of what might be useful have been suggested previously. Ideally, there could be a place for Fanposts covering the point guard issues, and all the other cyclical kinds of topics that come and go here. I don’t know why the SB Nation blogs are so lacking in function. But, that’s the way it is for now.
Obviously I am not speaking for Dave, but I have a feeling he might be more amenable to welcoming some of the more contentious and repetitive conversations if there were some way to restrict them to a specific area of the blog.
It’s good to have this discussion every once in a while.
What is your policy about enforcing BE rules on other sites ;-)
Just a thought I had when posting on Mavs Moneyball (or Blobabull) where there is more swearing (though usually only during gameday threads in the heat of the moment). Some states enforce their laws even in other lands, e.g. I would face the same prosecution no matter if I bribe a European/US company or an African one.
LOL! When in Rome...
There’s no judgment here on how people conduct themselves elsewhere really. That would be unfair, I think.
There are two small exceptions:
1. If another site has guidelines and you’re visiting from here and people know it and you’re violating the heck out of their community and generally being a donkey’s rear, that kind of does reflect on the site. We actually get some good comments from visitors from other teams. You wouldn’t get banned here for being a troll elsewhere but it’s not really appreciated.
2. We do have a log of all of your warnings and bans across SBN. Sometimes when I’m trying to make a tough decision about whether to warn or ban somebody I look at the log. First I look at how many times we’ve had to delete comments or warn you. That weighs the most heavily. Some people have been banned not so much for a single incident but because I have eight deleted comments and twelve flags registered for them in five days. But if I’m on the edge about you I will also consider what other bloggers have thought of you. If they’re banning you and deleting a ton of your stuff it helps me make a decision about whether you’re going to be a productive member or not.
However if I have no reason to look at your stuff on Blazersedge all the bans in the world elsewhere wouldn’t really affect you. I probably wouldn’t even know it happened.
—Dave
GUYS! Dont worry!!!!!!
I have made plenty of questionable remarks and Dave has deleted and suspended me a100 billion times in the last season. Just be nice and respectful and understanding and if you have a prob. w his rules make ur own blog! HA!
Nah, Dave u r the best. This community is wonderful. Best.Blog.Ever
Anyway, <3
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Dave, just want to thanks for keeping us "civilized"
It does make all the difference, for without the enforcement of the guidelines, there is a natural deterioration to the belligerent havoc that we see in so many internet chat rooms. And, even beyond the “language” issues, which are relatively basic, your awareness of relevance and sensitivity to redundancy are certainly helpful. Actually, simply blocking profanity does in fact force people to more effectively articulate their thoughts and thereby actually communicate. Anyway, thank you, you are appreciated.
Incidentally, I have NO problem with you and Ben making some money off this site, if the opportunity presents itsself. We know you motivation is not profit, but there is nothing wrong with getting some monetary compenstation for your time. You obviously have a significant time committment to writing all your game reports, moderating, creating other content. You deserve any cash that may be available from advertising (aside for prizes for our contests, of course :-)… Please go for it if the opportuinty arises. You deserve it.
Thanks!
In general money is overrated. Reading Fanposts like “If a Blazer Was a Beer/Song” and getting the chance to chuckle at TiH’s antics are an amazing reward for doing this. Seriously, when I met Tom in person I almost got mushy all over him just because of the number of times he’s made me laugh on otherwise dreary days.
—Dave
Great Job Ben and Dave!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree some subjects are well worn as BUSH jokes. It is great to see such participation. Checking other team blogs some of the posts are so old that they are molding.
In regards to sportsmanship I can not let the volume as well as the comments and sound effects made by the Cav’s PA as classless, laughing sound effects when a free-throw is missed. LBJ antics like the fake team photo and the powder toss are so immature. LBJ needs to stop and look around and see how the great names in basketball conducted themselves, and ask himself what do I want to be remembered for: a basketball version of WWE act, or a talented superstar?
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Criticism and Self-Criticism
Thanks Dave for the effort you put into allowing free expression while trying to maintain basic civility. This is a great site, and you do a great job. Long live this benign dictatorship!
As one of the chief participants in the scrum of a back-up point guard discussion the other night, I have been thinking about this topic for the past couple of days. I was even thinking of writing a fanpost on this topic.
On one hand, the exchanges the other night left me feeling a bit sore. I felt that I was subjected to a fair amount of disdain, ridicule, and basic disrespect. IMHO, other posters repeatedly misrepresented my positions; erecting “strawman” arguments they could then dismiss.
On the other hand, I have pondered whether or not I have become part of the problem. I grew up greatly valuing civility. I have endlessly lectured my kids (now young adults) on the importance of the Golden Rule. Empathy for others is the foundation of ethics and civilization. I want to live up to my own values. The other night, I felt “pulled down”. I suspect that we have all been there, sucked into a downward spiral of defensiveness, sarcasm, and trash talking.
Looking back, Dave’s comments about “you” statements seems spot on. As I look at the titles of my own comments, more and more “you” comments appear. Mea culpa. I will try to do better.
I don’t want Blazer’s Edge to devolve into a Jim Romesque smack-down. I want to share my enthusiasm and my point of view. I want to learn more about the game to enrich my experience as a fan. I hope for a bit of “community” in a culture that is often isolating and overly individualistic. Again, thanks Dave, for reminding me why I come here. Go Blazers.
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