Greg Oden Injury Update
This release just came in from the team...
Greg Oden (left knee) was evaluated today and will be sidelined an additional 7-10 days at which point he'll be re-evaluated.
Greg has missed the last 7 Blazers games. Given this timeline, Greg will miss at least 4 more games: Wednesday's game against Indiana, Thursday's game at Denver, Saturday's game against Minnesota and next Monday's game against the Los Angeles Lakers.
If he is out the full 10 days, he will miss next Wednesday's game against Dallas.
At that point he would have one chance to play at home -- the March 13th game against the Nets -- before the team departs on a 5 game, week-long road trip.
Buckle up.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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oh come on...
that’s not cool.
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Mar 2, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Poor Greg.
I hope he’s taking it well. I’m not :(
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 2, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...lots of it? :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 2, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee hurts!
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dddddddddddddggggggggggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeee
You’ve seen A Christmas Story, right?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Mar 2, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better late than never
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
by blzrfan on Mar 2, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
this is better than the whole day-to-day thing.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not really -- more like the Marty deal, wiping out the season in big chunks...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
id rather the news be accurate than good.
by Ben. on Mar 2, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather the news be good and accurate
is that too much to ask?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.
by Portland89 on Mar 2, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a tactic
He’s fine. We’re secretly having him bulk up so we can spring him out right before the play-offs and dominate in a surprising fashion.
by by on Mar 2, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mannn
we need him back for this playoff RUN.
Ben, this thursday gonna be a pretty big HIT, at the agency ehhh. can we bring a guest or tooo
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Mar 2, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
all are welcome as far as i know. dave is the man to ask though.
by Ben. on Mar 2, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just wanted to
bring my bro.
Thanks though.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
by B-ROYalty on Mar 2, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is it 21 and over??
no one has been able to provide an answer yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.
by Portland89 on Mar 2, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh and wear a tie
I win everything
by BlazermaniacAndy on Mar 3, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
He bumps knees and is out a full month and at least 11 games. Trying to stay positive. Finding it difficult.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
amen
I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.
by DNP (CD) on Mar 2, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
“He bumps knees chips knee cap and is out a full month and at least 11 games. Trying to stay positive. Finding it difficult easy knowing Przybilla is a damn stud.”
Blazers are emulating the Spurs already. It’s all about being healthy for the playoffs.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we are getting some truthful news here. A bone chip sounds like something that needs to be cleaned out. They should do a surguery, but I guess he is going to
have to keep waiting until it all goes away on it’s own. All because of Maggette. Greg’s body has problems healing or something.
by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 2, 2009 5:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
goes away? where would it go???
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe small pieces of bone floating around in your body will eventually dissolve.
I don’t know how long it takes.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Mar 2, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think they do...or it takes...a looooong time..like 40-50 years.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 2, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No problems, we have a patient fanbase...
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry for your second team loss, Norks :(
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Mar 2, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We will have to.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden injury update
can someone provide a coherent explanation of what, medically, is going on here?
if you google bone chip in the knee you finds that the standard treatment is … surgery.
that makes sense to me, since how else are you going to get a bone fragment out of there?
so are they thinking surgery after the season?
are they thinking the bone fragment will go away on its own?
the ’updates" from the Blazers are not very informative
by rolandtodd on Mar 2, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
exactly what I want to know. It makes me wonder what if the bone chip is prodding into his knee cartilage. Could that not
cause dents in that knee cartilage requiring another microfracture surgery?
by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 2, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
normal people can have chips floating around in their bodies and not ever notice them other than the injury that caused em….
I think I got 2, know I got one and …don’t have them/it removed becuase of “surgery”.
(cost more than anything else, I mean who want’s a floating piece of bone floating around in em)
I’m guessing …and know squat, but if it helps….the knee is pretty “strict” about where stuff can just go and “float” to…..
so I imagine that the chip is being kinda monitored day to day…and ain’t moving..and isn’t healing…
(it’s on the top of his floaty disk on his knee right?) like if this “L” is the knee….lol…. the funny floaty bony thingy at the corner has a chip in the top of it …right? less than a pinky toenail in size?
just guessing…but I’ll be wrong so someone can be driven to find out.
but I know squat and have no degrees.
“I wanna know tooo!!!!” -bill clinton
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 2, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Blazers aren't informative
because when they are, thousands of Blazer fans go into hysterics all over the blogosphere.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 2, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
6 of 1, half dozen of the other
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen dont really care what we think here
It only matters if we pay money to see them. Lets ask if we dont have to pay to go into the rose garden to see the Blazers. Yeah a what else would you like? Money talks.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get some medical guys
from the Pheonix Suns down here?
I am really curious, what are they doing? What treatment is he getting. Why did they not know how long and bad this would be. Nobody has answered these question at all.
by twggyy on Mar 2, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sigh
another indication that my darkest suspicions regarding Oden are probably true.
sigh
In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin uses the phrase "survival of the fittest" only twice. He uses the word "love," by contrast, over ninety times. Darwin never wrote about "selfish genes." For Darwin, the main force behind human evolution is survival of the most compassionate, not survival of the fittest. Human evolution is driven by moral sensitivity, or love.
by Love on Mar 2, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the blazers are the only team in the NBA
that takes two weeks before issuing a statement about an injury. This is the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen it now. Makes me absolutely crazy!
by Blazin' on Mar 2, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And tomorrow
we’ll find out about Martell – either the boot is coming off tomorrow or he’s done for the season. Brian Hendrickson reports:
But because his type of injury heals slowly, Webster said improvements are only noticeable a month at a time. Because of that, Webster’s next examination would not take place until early April if doctors don’t clear him on Tuesday. And waiting that long to be cleared could make a return futile.
"...LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy combined to outscore the Spurs all by themselves in the first half. I have never seen San Antonio look so inept." - K.Pelton, 03/02/09
by jorga on Mar 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think we already know the answer to that one, don't we?
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg secretly got Microfracture surgery again and the team won’t let this news out.
by trailblazersfan on Mar 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is getting ridiculous
so so so stupid. I can’t take it anymore with Oden, it’s unreal.
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by mark twain on Mar 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know what happened to Maggette's knee in that collision?
Let me guess: He hasn’t missed a game.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 2, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
You can headbutt someone’s face and break theirs while keeping your own shiny and smooth.
I do it all the time.
Poor Oden. This sucks. It’s just one of those things again, but it doesn’t make it any easier. AND, it’ll make Blazers Edge nice and relaxing for the next week or so.
CUE THE INTERNET TOUGH GUYS.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey now....without medical clearance ......
he shouldn’t be trying to do anything….
now we get to look to hunt the heads of the medical staff and ruin their practices :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 2, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you break other guys' faces all the time.
You live in LA with a bunch of girly men who have sweet cheeks. And noses and jaws weakened by years of plastic surgery.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 2, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"You can headbutt someone’s face and break theirs while keeping your own shiny and smooth. I do it all the time."
I thought you said you had stubble?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My forehead doesn't have stubble
And the forehead is what you use to break open some coke head’s damaged septum.
Forehead with stubble! Geez what do you think I am, Persian?!
Morty, still selectively racist.
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"AND, it’ll make Blazers Edge nice and relaxing for the next week or so."
My thoughts exactly. I can’t stand when the site gets like this. It does matter, but everyone will be reading too much into it, making too much out of it, and making riddiculous assumptions from there. That being said, Oden will never play a game again and be the biggest bust ever. He could also come back for the playoffs and help us win the title being rested and all. Believe either of those 2 things or anywhere in between. Speculate. Repeat. Follow these steps for the next 7-10 days, month, offseason, year, and decade. Tell me how it works out for you.
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that's the magic formula to career success in sports talk radio, and the Portland radiots know well...
Oden will never play a game again and be the biggest bust ever. He could also come back for the playoffs and help us win the title being rested and all. Believe either of those 2 things or anywhere in between. Speculate. Repeat. Follow these steps for the next 7-10 days, month, offseason, year, and decade. Tell me how it works out for you.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I think is going to happen. In 10 days, they are going to realize Greg still has pain in the knee. Then they are going
to realize he needs season ending surgery that will fix a problem that could have had him back for the start of the playoffs had they done it in the first place.
Blazers just don’t want to say it’s season ending now, just drag it on until they have to face the truth.
That, or in 10 days he will be fine and return. In this case they really weren’t lying.
by BRoyInThe4th on Mar 2, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
they say that people from the organization read this site...
well, if anyone is reading, The Medical Staff/PR dept./Chain of communication (or some combination of the above) just sucks!!!
by Blazin' on Mar 2, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rough timing
with the canzano column
I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.
by DNP (CD) on Mar 2, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I almost wonder if they just decided to do the surgery..
I heard the surgery to remove a bone chip is only a 2 week recovery time, so maybe he has already done it and it is a political move to keep opponents on their heels and not know who to gameplan for. Hopefully all will be back to normal soon. I want greg to start coming off of the bench though. Pryz is playing tooooo well!
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Mar 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is what ill be telling myself to keep from crying tonight
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they went ahead and removed it already
That would be saaaawweeeettttt.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they had scoped the chip the day they'd found it, he'd probably be fine by now
That’s based on what I recall hearing back then: that there’s a two-week recovery time from removing the chip.
Why on earth is the Blazer organization cursed with a medical/ training staff that continually gambles in an effort to get guys back a couple games quicker? And gambles wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME??
Now they’re gambling yet again—throwing good money after bad. If they’re WRONG again, and GO has to undergo the surgery 10 days from now, his season will be essentially over.
Is this the best staff Paul Allen’s money can buy? Up until now, I’ve tried to reserve judgement. But come on: this is ridiculous.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
are you guys doctors?
oden was injured before he was blazer too
I am starting the coalition to BRING BACK IKE.
by DNP (CD) on Mar 2, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What does that mean? There was nothing wrong with this knee until Cory Maggette bumped it
As for us not being doctors, when you’ve had as many knee surgeries as I have, you know more about that part of the anatomy—and ESPECIALLY about rehabbing it—as many doctors do.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having torn up both of mine, I understand that that does not qualify
me as a doctor.
I just love the speculation that goes on here. As none of us have seen the test results or been present during the examinations, we don’t have a clue, not only to the extent of Greg’s injury, but just how much the medical staff has been able to deduce. And the key term there is deduce, because it is never so simple as plugging in a jack and getting a self-diagnosis from the body’s computer system.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
timg56...
If you read my various comments in this thread, I was generally pretty careful to qualify my criticism of the Blazers medical/ training staff. Namely, I said that IF THE INITIAL INFO WE WERE GIVEN WAS CORRECT—i.e., that the bone chip could be easily removed, leading to a two-week recovery time—then the staff had blown it. That is, they’d rejected the “sure bet” of a 2-week return in favor of gambling that simple rest would allow GO to return even sooner. Then when that didn’t pan out, rather than bite the bullet, admit the error, and proceed with the surgery, they’d “doubled down” the bet by AGAIN rejecting the surgical option. According to this scenario—AGAIN BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE INITIAL INFO GIVEN OUT ABOUT THE SURGIVAL OPTION WAS CORRECT—the staff resembles an addicted gambler who throws good money after bad. At this point, they’ve effectively thrown their last chips down; if GO’s knee isn’t improved in 10 days, it will likely be too late to remove the chip and still have GO contribute this season.
But OF COURSE I haven’t been present at GO’s examinations. I haven’t seen the MRI’s and wouldn’t know how to interpret them if I did. Because—as I freely acknowledged—I’m not an MD (much less an orthopedist).
Having said that, I wasn’t blowing smoke when I said that as a veteran of several knee operations, “I know more about that part of the anatomy—and ESPECIALLY about rehabbing it—than many doctors do.”
Obviously, every MD has extensive knowledge of all aspects of human anatomy, including the knee joint. But based on my experience, with the exception of sports medicine orthopedists—a small subset of “doctors”—that education doesn’t extend to the various surgical procedures and especially the rehabilitation protocols that veteran knee patients like myself are (sadly) familiar with. Several MD’s have stated as much to me.
Maybe your surgical experience didn’t lead you to do much questioning or research about knees. But my ACL reconstruction didn’t go smoothly, and I had to deal with a lot of setbacks and additional procedures & rehab. At one point, a physical therapist strongly recommended that I go to the medical library and educate myself, and I took his advice. In the process, I learned that, as the therapist had said, you don’t need a medical degree to understand many of the issues relating to knee surgery and rehab. The orthopedists openly debate those topics in the journals in terms that laymen (armed with a medical dictionary) can generally follow.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I first became acquainted with sports medicine ...
… back in high school, after I proved to be poor at both throwing and hitting a curve ball. I stuck around the team as a statistian and ended up taking up trainer duties as well. Both the football and Basketball coaches asked if I was interested in doing the same job for them.
Tearing up both knees (with ACL & MCL reconstruction on one) furthered my acquaintence with the subject. All of that is irrelevant to the point.
The thing I believe people should keep in mind here is that it is not a good idea to try and reach conclusions without access to first hand knowledge. I’m not sure we even have reliable second hand knowledge. Can you recall exactly where or from whom you heard the part about easily removing the bone chip? This stuff generally comes to us through the media. And they usually get it during some question and answer session with someone who is not on the medical staff. In otherwords, it is information to be taken with a very healthy sense of skepticism.
Here is what it sounds like to me: They thought Greg might have a bruise and possible a bone chip floating around. They can’t know for sure, without going in with a scope. Someone makes the comment that if it is the worse of the two possibilities they suspect, i.e. a bone chip, then it still shouldn’t be anything to worry too much about, as that is usually fixed by a fairly simple procedure having a short recovery time. That appars pretty straight forward to me. They think they know what the problem is and the worse case scenerio means maybe 2 – 3 weeks out, if they have to go that route.
So how do you read into this the image of an addicted gambler? Who says they gambled on anything? What percentage of doctors do you think would recommend to proceed directly to a surgical option for the sole purpose of hastening Oden’s return to the court? Verse doing what Portland has done, which is give it time to recover on it’s own. Also being overlooked is consideration of Oden’s part in this. I believe the normal practice of a medical professional is to outline the problem and the possible methods of treatment. They may then offer their recommendation on the best method, but it is usually the decision of the patient. So, for the sake of argument, let’s assume the staff told Greg what they thought the problem was and said he had the option of seeing if it improved with rest, ice and exercise or going under the knife to clean out any possible debris. Which option are you going to choose if you are sitting in Oden’s shorts? That one’s a no-brainer for me. Let’s give it a few days doc and see how it feels.
In the end, you are throwing out criticisms against the organization and the medical staff when you don’t have a real clue as to what has actually transpired.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I've heard about knee problems
is that they’re often tough to diagnose accurately.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 2, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I don't get also
The conflicting reports and “rumors” that Oden could play and was okay.
What IS the deal with that? And who is hinting that Oden is fine and is just being a wuss when obviously he ain’t?
I didn’t worry about our staff much before, but the Webster and Blake re-injuries from coming back too early were weird to me. So is the Oden deal. I know they can only go by what a player tells them, and Blake and Webster likely rushed themselves back too quickly, so the whispers about Oden holding himself out needlessly were lame when it looks like he’s correct to do so if he’s still hurting.
Just figure out the best course of action and act. 2 week recovery after a scope ain’t nuthin compared to wait… and wait… and wait… and oh, maybe tomorrow, yes tomorrow, no, wait… wait… wait…
Etc.
Well, I’m sure they know better than I as I am not a doctor (though my mom is and I leafed through some of her books so I got a pretty good handle on the situation). There might not be a more right solution, and being cautious (not cutting him open) may indeed be the best move.
Greg sure don’t like to make it easy, do he.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My willingness to give the medical staff the benefit of the doubt has ended
I think they’re incompetent. Worse, I think they’re cowardly. First, they caved to pressure in letting Webster and Blake come back sooner than was prudent. Second, they let GO catch hell for NOT rushing back too soon—letting the story go out that GO was cleared to play whenever he saw fit. Again, cowardice: letting a player catch heat for listening to what his body was telling him. GO has to be feeling pretty alienated—even betrayed—by now.
No doubt the Blazers’ p.r. dept shares blame in the Oden knee incident. I think there’s incompetence all around this mess. But the one guy who shouldn’t be getting blamed at all—Greg Oden—has been getting all of the flack.
Shame on the whole Blazers organization. Just when we thought this franchise finally and truly knew what it was doing.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what the deal is
It seems very strange to me, but I don’t wanna go as far to say they are incompetent or outright ‘wrong’ in their approaches. We don’t know; we don’t see the x-rays, listen to what the players say, or know what the medical staff’s philosophy is. Maybe, like with Roy’s talus bone, it’s surgery as a last resort.
Maybe it is a mistake, or total incompetence through indecision— I can’t say either way.
I just don’t think we know enough to decide either way, even though it’s obviously really annoying that something like this has happened 3 times this year.
Laker fans (shudder) musta’ felt the same way last season, except worse, when Bynum went from 2 months to 2 years of being out.
I’d love to blame someone, but I dunno how we can for sure.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I should have qualified that comment--as I did others--by saying I'm basing my conclusion on the assumption...
…that the initial reports (during the All-Star break) were correct. That is, that the bone chip could be safely removed, with a recovery period of about two weeks. At that time, we were told that the staff was electing to forego surgery in hopes that GO could return even sooner by them NOT operating. There was a chance, however (again, this is what the initial report said) that the knee would not respond to rest and would have to be operated on after all.
If this info was correct—admittedly an important “if”—then the medical staff rejected a “sure thing”—two weeks out with the minor surgery—in favor of a gamble—that the knee would be fine in a few days (once the swelling went down). When the knee didn’t improve during those few days—again assuming that initial info was accurate—the team essentially went “double or nothing” with its bet. Rather than bite the bullet and do the surgery—in effect, admitting the initial gamble had backfired—they elected to wait awhile longer in hopes the knee would finally come around. When THAT didn’t happen, the embarrassed staff said that GO was cleared to play whenever he saw fit—thus making it look like the staff had handled the situation properly and that a malingering GO was the problem.
Now it comes out that the knee really IS still injured. But rather than finally bite the bullet and do the surgery—admitting they’ve blown it big time and let the player catch the flack—the medical staff is taking one last desperate gamble that the knee won’t need the procedure. If THIS gamble fails, then GO’s season is essentially over, as by the time he recovered from surgery performed ten days from now, it would be too late to integrate him back into the team.
Again, this is all based on the assumption that, as we were originally told, the chip could be safely removed and the recovery from that procedure would be around two weeks. If that info was incorrect, then in the immortal words of Gilda Radner, “NEVER MIND!!”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can only hope
That our medical staff isn’t so worried about saving face and PR, when obviously being wrong about the stuff in the long run is 100000000 times worse than just saying ‘we took the wrong course of action, let’s fix it’.
THAT is what I’m unsure we can really say, because I think that’s sort of extreme. It’s a lot of lying and posturing and worrying about what the media/analysts would say when I’d hope they weren’t so concerned with such issues.
Heck, I dunno though. Like I said, it all feels weird to me.
Morty
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure it is still considered prudent action ...
… to forego surgury whenever possible, if there is a chance of the injury or medical condition healing on it’s own. Even if the healing time is longer, the non-surgical approach is usually preferred.
You cause trama to the body everytime you cut into it. Granted surgical techniques and equipment has progressed significantly in many areas to limit the amount of trama caused, but it has not been eliminated.
Have you ever noticed that doctors, at least good ones, never offer potential diagnosis’ over the air? They understand that without examination of the patient and his test results, any such speculation is wasted time and irresponsible. Perhaps Blazer fans should consider following that example.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
everythings alright, a doctor is on it,
we can all just stop caring and not worry about it, never speak of it again, and well….never have to/get to come back to the edge to speak of such things with all the wonderful people here…all becuase doctors rule the world.
:)
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by faith on Mar 3, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be deliberately ignoring the qualification I included
Namely, that my criticism of the Blazers’ medical / training staff is based on the assumption that the initial info we were given—that the bone chip could be easily and safely removed with a 2-week recovery time—was accurate. As I clearly said, if that info was NOT correct, then my criticism is moot.
Of COURSE surgery is rarely the first option. As you imply, cutting into the body can create more problems than it solves, in particular because it creates scar tissue. This problem is greatly reduced in modern arthroscopic procedures, but it’s still an important factor. Always, if there’s a chance that simple rest will fix a condition, you try that approach first.
If that’s been the consideration driving the Blazers’ handling of this GO knee injury, then I support it. Why not proceed conservatively when GO has a long career ahead of him and the team’s championship window hasn’t even opened yet? But again, we were initially given a different explanation for the team electing not to remove the bone chip: namely that leaving the chip in place might allow GO to return to action sooner than the two weeks the surgery & recovery would take.
You suggest the Blazers’ medical /training staff was simply acting conservatively in the case of GO’s knee injury. I hope that’s the case. But I’m less inclined than you to give them the benefit of the doubt. There’s been a repeated pattern this season—in the cases of Frye, Webster, and Blake—of the staff NOT acting conservatively. Au contraire, they’ve repeatedly gambled on being able to bring players back early, and they’ve repeatedly lost.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a pattern only if you want to see one.
Who here is familiar with the details of any of these guy’s return to action? None of us. At best, we migh try to imagine what the process might be like. And based on my limited experience, that process is usually heavily dependent on the patient.
The staff can give a timeframe in how long it might for an injury to heal. Such an estimate is hardly precise, sometimes having a spread of several weeks to even a couple of months or more. They can devise some tests to gauge performance and level of pain or discomfort felt. But they are relying on the feedback they get from the patient. They can gradually release them for increasing levels of activity and observe the player for any favoring or swelling.
For example Webster was practicing and working out with the team prior to playing his first game back. Unless he was reporting discomfort and swelling, it is extremely speculative and irresponsible to assume the medical staff screwed up. The same applies to Blake. The odds are good that he told his coach and the trainers that his shoulder was feeling a lot better. It probably was from a standpoint of no everyday pain and range of motion. Blake likely took lots of practice shots and both he and the coaches must have agreed that he looked good enough to play. So what happens, he runs into a hard pick and wham, the shoulder takes another whack while it isn’t 100% healed from the last time. Blake is in enough pain he can’t play the rest of the game. But let’s not forget he did end up coming back for good just a couple of games after that.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Er, when the same thing happens three times in a row, I'd call that a pattern
But only if you’re willing to see it.
Usually, teams are quite conservative about playing guys coming off of injuries. They consult with the player about how he feels, but they take his input with a grain of salt, realizing that players are competitive and will be inpatient to play. It’s like how a baseball manager will come to the mound and ask a pitcher how he feels, but use his own judgement regarding when to pull him.
Generally, an NBA team will hold the player out another game or two after he feels he’s ready to return, just to err on the safe side. That’s because of the risk that the player will reinjure himself and end up missing far more games than one or two. Yet, in three instances this season (Frye, Webster, & Blake), the team let a player come back when HE said he was ready, and, sure enough, the player got re-injured.
I’ve been following the NBA for 50 years now, and I’ve NEVER seen this happen before—certainly not to this degree. Yet you insist there’s no pattern.
Now, it’s certainly possible that the training staff has done everything right this year and just has been snakebit. But for you to suggest that, at this stage, it’s off-base to question the medical/ training staffs’ performance is ridiculous. I suspect the organization itself is evaluating its medical/ training staff and procedures—just as it would evaluate the coaching staff if the team lost 60 games.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to drag this out forever, but I'd certainly be impressed ....
… if you followed basketball so closely that you know as fact that no other team in NBA history has ever had more than one player come back from an injury and then miss additional games in a season.
I really have time to follow just one team. However I seem to recall news about guys who come back and then subsequantly miss more games all the time. Manu is out again after missing early games recovering from surgery. Carmelo Anthony has been in and out of the lineup for Denver.
And I don’t buy the part about a coach or medical staff holding a player out a few additional games after they say they are fine and have shown so in practice and workouts. How about an example?
The trainer goes by what he can see and what experience and training tells him that means. Does Blake have full range of motion in his shoulder without pain? What do the x-rays show on Martell’s foot and is it sensitive to pressure. Is there swelling in the area where Fyre’s bone spurs were removed?
The coaches do the same, looking at how Blake’s shot is dropping or if he appears to be favoring the shoulder by going mostly left than right, or avoiding picks. Is Martell able to push off his healing foot or not. If neither group is seeing any negative indicators, then it comes down to what the player is telling them. If he says he can go, then you trust him.
And it is not as if all these guys have missed a ton of games because of coming back too soon. Blake missed what? 2 additional games I believe. Frye didn’t miss any. Only Martell has been sidelined for a significant time. And there is zero evidence that I’ve seen presented that this is due to the medical staff grossly mis-diagnosing Martell’s recovery condition.
For there to be a pattern, there has to be similarities that are common to all of the cases. That’s plural. There is nothing similar between Martell’s case and Blake’s. Nor were the circumstances around Frye’s surgery to remove bone spurs similar to either of these two. And what are the simularities from Greg’s injury? They haven’t rushed him back.
There is no pattern to indicate that the Trailblazer medical staff is incompetent or doesn’t know what it is doing. If any pattern exists at all, it may be one where the team fumbles how they communicate information about player’s injuries and conditions. But that could also be the result of having so many people commenting on the information and picking it apart word by word while they speculate on what might “really” be going on.
PS – I really didn’t mean this to sound as if I’m being highly critical of you personally. Mostly it is a case of finding a lot of the speculation appearing here at BE a bit unseemly. I just happened to respond to the one post regarding how the medical staff screwed up and on we went. It’s almost kind of odd it’s you, as I generally find myself in agreement with your opinions. Guess it’s two old guys with bad knees feeling a tad cranky.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 4, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto re/ your last sentence
As for the rest of it, I could argue your points. But I really don’t have a file of past medical decisions by the Blazers and other teams I’ve followed to make this more than an, “Oh yeah?” “Yeah!” argument. Besides, I now see that Ben’s added ANOTHER thread specifically devoted to this issue. I think you’ll probably agree that enough is enough.
So let’s agree to disagree—and hope that there isn’t another lingering Blazer injury this season to revive the issue. This thread is making my surgical knees hurt. :-)
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 4, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for the Gilda reference!

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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ofcourse blame the organization, they chose Oden in thr draft like he was our savior.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Channing also rushed back too early from his bone spurs ankle surgery in the pre-season...
Looks like they are always extra cautious with Greg.
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
k 09, with your message to greg that you were going to deliver for me.....
could you maybe work in an apoligy, and a friendly offer from me to tp his med staffs homes? :(
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by faith on Mar 2, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Wouldn’t he have had to wait for the swelling to go down before being cut?
by Dragline on Mar 3, 2009 2:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I believe that’s customary. But I had my ACL reconstruction just a week after the injury, and there was still considerable swelling. I’m thinking that GO’s swelling was likely minimal enough three or four days after his injury. But I could be wrong there…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 2:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly I'd rather have Joel at this point of the season
Maybe Greg can try it again next year. I mean I guess I feel bad for the guy, but I want to watch my team win basketball games. And he’s not ready now to help and who know if he will ever be. At least Durant blew out his ankle or I’d depressed.
In summary: Greg Oden, yawn.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Mar 2, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'd like to see him back
10-15 minutes a night of hard banging in the middle of the lane would be a nice contribution off the bench. We’re good with Joel but we need help at the Center spot. We need all the size we can get, even a hobbled Greg.
by oregonslee on Mar 2, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how does preferring Joel equal Greg can't help?
Having two true centers has been huge for this team.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pryzzy is getting his 25 or so minutes, which leaves a bunch of Channing Frye minutes. (Get well soon, Greg!!!)
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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can sympathize with Houston
except they know what they’re missing. we may never get to find out. Oden’s career is like the stock market. you keep thinking it will improve, then it doesn’t, and you really wish you’d just put your money in a CD.
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.
-- Richard Dawkins
by TheTinfoil on Mar 2, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
injury prone bust
jk jk jk
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
by CroRupt on Mar 2, 2009 6:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In three years
you’ll never remember this period. The banners are going to look pretty good tho.
by chnews on Mar 2, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We still remebere Bowie over Jordan, and time is not relevent here.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a doctor
but I’ve blown both ACL’s, had micro-fracture done and split my left knee cap snowboarding (it looked like a Peace sign on the x-ray) in a period of 5 years. I saw over 6 specialists throughout all of this stuff and none had an identical diagnosis of what the procedure(s) should be. I am also 5’ 6", weigh 130lbs. I still have bone fragments floating around. I can’t imagine what a guy Oden’s size would entail as far as treatment and therapy, let alone diagnosis. I can sympathize with Oden and a lesser extent to how the Blazer staff have dealt with this chipped knee thing. I won’t speculate why Oden’s progress is not forthcoming from Blazer staff but I can see why they might keep it hushed until they have definitive answers. Hope the dude is back soon though.
by blindnil on Mar 2, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
The biggest problem is how the medical staff and organization have let GO look like he's dogging it
I too have had my share of knee problems—a blown ACL and circa-‘83 reconstruction being the worst of them. I know that when a knee isn’t feeling right, even an MRI can’t necessarily identify what’s going on. But if it’s stiff and sore, you DEFINITELY shouldn’t be trying to play basketball on it. That’s begging for trouble.
And that’s if you’re Joe Sixpack. If you’re a 280 lb athlete who leaps out of the building, playing on a questionable knee would be career suicide. And it would be insanity on the part of the franchise that allowed you to do it.
The Blazers didn’t make that mistake. They just allowed Greg Oden to look like a heartless wimp for being injured. I’m really disappointed in the organization’s handling of this one.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
That's a good point. I hate to drag Darius Miles into the conversation but didn't the Blazers management
at the time bring Darius Miles back too soon damaging his knee even more?
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Mar 2, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me see if I get this right.
You post an excellent example of just how difficult it is to diagnose an injury and refrain from speculating about either the extent of Greg’s injury or the competence of the medical staff, and my rec is the only one you get.
Meanwhile hurryup blasts the organization without knowing the whole picture and goes green.
What’s wrong with this picture?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're green with envy???
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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if you read carefully, you'd realize that my post agreed with blindnil's
To the extent that I “blasted the organization,” it was strictly for allowing GO to look like a malingerer. And that’s something we DO “know the whole picture” concerning.
What you’re apparently angry about is other posts I made in this thread, in which I questioned GO’s course of treatment. But for the most part I was very careful to qualify those criticisms by saying that they were based on the assumption that the initial info we were given was correct: namely, that the bone chip could be safely removed with a recovery time of two weeks.
Based on that info—and other language in that initial statement—the rationale for leaving the chip in place was at least in part that GO might be able to return to action quicker that way. Put in context of other decisions made by the staff this year, that decision might be seen as expedient rather than conservative.
Unwarranted speculation? Come on. Compared to the endless second-guessing of KP and Tom Penn’s personnel decisions on this site, I’d say I’ve been well in-bounds. Personally, I’m bothered when fans jump all over KP—with no qualification whatsoever—when they know virtually nothing of what’s gone into his decisions. By contrast, most of us have shown considerable restraint in our questioning of the decisions made by the Blazers’ medical/ training staff this season.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For everyone that hates Jason Quick
Has “underwhelming” ever described a player better? More than anything this entire season by Greg Oden has just been underwhelming. Obviously for a variety of reasons (not the least of which injuries and foul trouble). I’m still willing to reserve judgement for the simple reason that big men always take longer to develop both physically and skill-wise. I honestly can’t think of a superstar that started his career this way, but there are countless examples of good to very good players that had inauspicious beginnings.
by TPfor3 on Mar 2, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Such as? It would do my psyche good to have some frames of reference.
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.
-- Richard Dawkins
by TheTinfoil on Mar 2, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okur, Boozer, Roger Mason... just a few that I can think of right off the bat
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on Mar 2, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Duncan sit out the bulk of a season early on? Jordan too
In fact, the Spurs got David Robinson because he missed a season with injury, thus putting the Spurs in the lottery.
This latest GO episode is the result of plain old bad luck—compounded by some apparent incompetence by the medical staff. Assuming the initial reports were accurate, had the chip been removed immediately, GO would have been back playing about a week ago. Had that happened, the whole incident would have just been a bump in the road. Now it’s bordering on a disaster.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They missed maybe a season but it was due to one injury not bunch of small ones.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you brake you hand it becomes injury prone.
If you brake your knees or ankles they become injury prone. Can any body remind me what Oden had not injured?
I mean the Blazers organizations are professionals, they have to evaluate in the draft and see the what kind of future a player can have with his bodies ability. Ofcourse its not Oden fault, well maybe a little. He did not suck on mommas breast when he was little. Need more milk. Yeah we understand its not Greg faul, but the Blazers wanted to take a risk, so now we have to live with it.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically all these guys have been injured this season
Modern Age: Ilgauskas, Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, Emeka Okufor (see 2nd season), Marcus Camby..
and none of them are superstars but all of them have played big roles on good teams.
by TPfor3 on Mar 2, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bill walton played 40 games each his first two seasons here
then played one ALL-TIME GREAT complete year and won a championship, was dominating the league the next year (blazers were 50-10) when he hurt his foot.
he was never the same, even though years later came back and without much mobility was 6th man of year and helped boston win a title.
ilgauskas had terrible foot problems his first 2-3 years. everyone thought he was a bust. hes turned out to be a steady workmanlike pro for cleveland.
injuries happen. bernard king may have been the best sf of all time. knee surgery after knee surgery after knee surgery. a total of seven or so. but he at his best averaged 33.0 and was unguardable. dominated julius erving and larry bird.
ignacio
by ignacio on Mar 2, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Bernard King well
He got drunk and reportedly did something unsavory his rookie year with the Nets (I think). They traded him to my hometown Warriors, where he was a great player and model citizen. Next, he went to the Knicks and REALLY came into his own. He was just unstoppable. Until he ruptured his ACL, that is. At the time, that was considered a career-ending injury. But King eventually made it all the way back to the all-star game and some more productive seasons.
Since I’d had the same, then-innovative knee procedure, I watched his career with special interest. I had some idea what he went through to come back like he did.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That team party was OFF THE HOOK, I tell you..
He got drunk and reportedly did something unsavory his rookie year with the Nets (I think).
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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if he wasnt out at The Agency like he was last friday drinking with
his bodygaurd and a bunch of barely 21 girls….Then the knee would get better! I smell another immature Big MONEY player in the Blazers future. I really wish we would have kept McRoberts around to keep him busy plaing Gears of War or something.
by TheOdenator52 on Mar 2, 2009 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My mistake it was last Thursday not Friday.
by TheOdenator52 on Mar 2, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BIG MISTAKE!
lol jk
Couldn't we just play the Timberwolves again instead? That's like being beheaded with a Nerf bat. -Dave with the Laker game preview
by JWise on Mar 2, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
theodenator52 you should be ashamed of yourself for gossiping in public like this
it’s low. you look bad.
ignacio
by ignacio on Mar 2, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Give the man some space. Let us know if you see him at a dogfight, THAT you can gossip about...
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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So which Thursday was it?
the one after the GS game just before the All-Star Break, or the one where he was practicing with the team in Minny?
Or maybe a Thursday before he bumped knees? Thanks in advance for the clarification
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"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Mar 2, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you find yourself losing a day when you go out drinking, eh?
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by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They were in Minnesota
on thursday and friday..?
by TSE on Mar 2, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing will exacerbate a knee injury like drinking and hanging out with girls!
Any chance you’re jealous the guy has money and attractive female companions?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
uhhhhh
Greg is “barely 21” himself! You’d prefer he were cougar hunting?
by c'est bon on Mar 2, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
so he’s dating girls his own age? Isn’t that normal?
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No dude,
Greg is at least 50. Just look at him.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just because
he has a degenerative aging disorder doesn’t mean you get to start counting his age in dog years. he’s still 21, and that’s a good thing so that we can laugh at folks like TheOdenator52 when they try to make it seem like he’s R. Kelly or something.
by c'est bon on Mar 2, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Odenator is Spanish or French and he really meant Oden was with 21 girls.
How can Oden take care of 21 girls at the same time and not get reinjured!? It has sense.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Mar 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That WOULD be tough on the knee
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen his bodyguard.
His name was “Greg Oden’s fist”.
by Blazed and Confused on Mar 2, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
im so glad after this, first as soon as i read the comment, i wanted to complain…. then my laptop died… plugged it in, and read, everyone else here defending oden going to the bar with girls his own age, and now i dont have to…. very good to see everyone stepping up to defend that oden is a person too. he’s not your damn tool.
by Obsidian on Mar 3, 2009 3:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you kill the messenger often enough...
eventually the messeage stops being delivered….
or so I’ve been told.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Mar 3, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, oh man
The whole Blazer fanbase has been waiting forever to see what he can really do. (We’ve only seen glimpses this season.) Sigh, this really sucks. Maybe it’s a memo for the other guys to be more aggressive with the rebounding now? I’m talking to you Travis.
by Stryder9 on Mar 2, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers will get by, but
what does this really say about Portland’s medical staff? I’m no medical doctor, but if you’re diagnosed with bone chips, don’t you have the knee opened up and the chips sucked out?
Portland buys Phoenix’s draft pick every year so maybe this year Portland should buy their medical staff. Shaq dropped 45 on the Raptors and looked spry against the Lakers on Sunday.
by torsoheap on Mar 2, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Funny....
Pretty funny, I wish we could. Shaqtus has come out of no where this season. On a side note I just looked at your profile and you look like you either just woke up or are completely ripped. Hahahahahahah.
by JmarcL4 on Mar 2, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its probably both cuz that when you get best ideas.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry greg, but i'm ok with this
while it’s too bad that he’s injured, he has not been proving himself well on the court when he is well. joel przybilla is a much better center, and is improving, whereas oden is not. in fact, many nights he doesn’t even look interested in playing.
i think it’s time he spends the time to get well, then earn a starting position after coming off the bench for a bit. i think this will do way more for his work ethic and abilities than anything else. i’d like to see him succeed. but first i’d like to see him show a bit of spark.
by stephentheh on Mar 2, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
actually
if you look at Greg’s advanced stats, he has had a very good rookie season. He also has improved. Remember him getting the ball stripped in November/December? That barely ever happens anymore.
Also, Przybilla at 21 was TERRIBLE.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Who was the last center to come into the league and dominate 1st year? Shaq?
by Free Bayless on Mar 2, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hate the word bust but...
is there any chance our medical staff is a bust? It is really hard to understand why anyone thought he would just cruise back into ‘any game now’ one day, then its ‘just a game or two away’, and now it is.. ?
as for Oden.. get better, big guy.. the team will be here when you are healthy..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
by idoltime on Mar 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Their credibility
is shot at this point. Three major injuries this year, three errors.
by Free Bayless on Mar 2, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually an interesting question...
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They also said Miles will never ever step on the court.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Mar 4, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
remember ...
… back when we though Roy was injury prone? That kid seemed to have turned out all right. Oden is still a kid. He’ll get there.
by pantsuit on Mar 2, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For those looking for some medical info, here is a repost of some of LetsBlaze's comments (chiropractor to Shav). Of course he didn't look at Greg's knee and this isn't a diagnosis, just general info. He might be able to give some more insight when he is
On Feb 25
Too little info is hindering me here. technically there is no such animal as a "chip" fracture….so I can’t really tell you what they mean….
If they are talking about a Osteochondral fracture, a piece of the underside of the patellae, bone and cartilege, would be under the kneecap and detached…
I have assumed they were talking about a Marginal fracture, where a corner or edge of the bone is cracked, since the ostechondral type usually immediately will disrupt the ability to extend the leg all the way…
If it is a marginal fracture – – nothing to do but let it heal…the bruising underneath effects the fat pad and bursa there, and the mending of that soft tissue will lead to pain and swelling, but no instability or risk going forward…In the Osteochondral fracture, the fragment can migrate back into the knee joint causing discomfort and some catching, but this is generally obvious immediately with the inability to straighten the leg the whole way…
On Feb 17, regarding if Oden would need arthroscopic surgery to flush out the chip:
They were to look at things futher today I thought….chip fractures can be nothing if the chip isn’t in a place where it interferes with movement….if it’s "floating" around, the made need to go in and get it but even that would be minor….mostly surface irritation – – – – ice pack, discomfort, probably adrenaline alone would push him through
would depend on a bunch of things…
size of the fragment and it’s location are the big two…how much of the patellar ligament would have to be disturbed (good news is that the patella is completely encased in that ligament which tends to hold everything in place)…its very much up at the surface though which is good…would expect a VERY short recovery regardless….some of the swelling he experience was likely from the impact, not neccessarily the fracture…picture the kneecap getting slammed straight back into the bone….gonna bruise up in there…
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for reposting this saved me having to find it
I don’t know really what to add as no real new information has been released as to the specific nature of the fracture (osteochondral vs marginal) or what is necessarily complicating the healing..
repeat of generalized Nutrtional stuff : providing the right amount of raw ingredients for the body to heal:
1500 mg MCHA calcium (micro Crystalline Hydroxy Apatite
800 + IU D3
Manganese 30 mg/day
Multivit/mineral w/60mg zinc +
Epa/Dha (fish oil) 2g daily as antinflammatory
1000+ mg C
Sulfur containing supplement:Glucosamine HCl + MSM + Hyaluronic Acid + Glucosaminoglycans
Filtered/bottled water rather than tap
Alkaline foods – - (fruits & veges) – - limit fried foods & alcohol
Gelatin – Jell-o is fine – - made from collagen ==> precursor to cart and present in bone
Avoiding MSG (binds sulfating nutrients that produce cartilege)
Find an acupuncturist – - helps with pain. swelling, and speeds healing…
I also use magnets and other electrical stimulation to speed bone healing…
Pretty much giving away the farm here – - I usu customize this to the individual and work on the body’s ability to assimilate and absorb this…also I would work on the mechanics of the knee ankle hip and low back to normalize that from the gait disturbance that goes with any injury, or in this case series of injuries…set up the frame to heal properly..
still hoping for the phone to ring
"Sergio and I obtained chalupas to understand their power. Then Sergio showed that each one has 427 calories and 27 grams of fat. Leaping upwards, we reviled the accursed chalupa and its pressure. – Rudy Fernandez
by LetsBlaze on Mar 3, 2009 5:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer the beer and barely 21 year old girls approach myself...
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
for people in need of good news (sorry Norsk)
Dallas lost to the Durant/Green-less Mavs tonight. wooooooo!!!!
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
er.... the Durant/Green less Thunder
wooooooooo!!
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of interesting
how good OKC has been without Durant.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting the full 2 weeks before even trying to draw conclusions.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s why I said “kind of” interesting. It’s doesn’t mean anything until there is a larger sample size.
Just weird to see them winning games.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Horford. We should have drafted Horford
Durant and Oden are both useless.
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Horford has regressed this year a bit
I thought he’d have a monster sophomore year, and he had some awesome games last year… and while he had back to back 20/20 games recently I believe, he has struggled with injuries and inconsistency as well.
WHY DO ALL ROOKIES AND 2ND YEAR PLAYERS BE SO WEAK AND BUSTY.
I’m so angry I can’t decide WHO to punch. I’m like the Blazers medical staff, unable to make a decision!!
Morty
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok then, the fourth guy. We should have drafted the guy taken at 4.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Mar 3, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Mike Conley ;-)
A little small to play center for us…
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 3, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see the Blazers get Horford...
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:<(
I think we learned something in the SA game
that is more important than rushing GO back – INTENSITY
When Greg gets back, so much the better.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Mar 2, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So now Greg Oden is CAPTAIN INTENSITY!!! ?
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
This stinks. Get well soon Greg, and don’t listen to idiots like Clownzano who advocated he “come back a little early like Steve Blake”. He needs to get healthy, hopefully that happens by playoff time, but if not, the future is what’s important. # 52
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeraddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Mar 2, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well put
The only person this truly hurts is Greg Oden. The team will still probably make the playoffs and gain that valuable post-season experience. And we fans will survive having to watch a few more games sans GO.
Come on, Blazer fans: most likely, this guy will be dominating the Rose Garden paint for the next 15 + seasons. That is, if John Canzano & Co don’t run him out of town with pitchforks and torches. Sure this is frustrating. But try to see the big picture.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to think that could actually happen
and I hate it. GO strikes me as a nice, sensitive guy from what I’ve seen/read of him. The type of guy who would sacrifice some $ to leave if he really started to dislike where he was. Idiots like Gavin Dawson and John Canzano, who stir crap up because they want web hits/ratings so they can leave and go to a bigger market, and the sheep that follow them could cost us a championship caliber center.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeraddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Mar 2, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's my take exactly
Canzano, Dawson, et al are the ones I’d like to see run out of town. They’re like something you’d scrape off the bottom of your shoe. I can’t believe so many Blazer “fans” fall for their bull. I thought Portlanders were smarter than that.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It’s starting to look like Portland fans are dumber than we initially thought. At least they get the most exposure now with the internet.
by Stryder9 on Mar 2, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
put............down...............the...............koolaid..............and.............back..............away...........from...........the..........vat.....
this guy will be dominating the Rose Garden paint for the next 15 + seasons.
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously......
Who didn’t see this one coming? The whole speculation thing is probably the part that bothers me the most. They need to take the original injury timespan and triple it. I know this has to hurt Greg the most but when is this going to end? I guess we didn’t have Greg last year and survived and we are doing pretty dang good right now without him. The positive is we can only be better when he gets back whenever that might be. The negative of this is he is missing time he could be using to work on the little things rookie centers have to deal with in the NBA, especially once the games tighten up in the playoffs. We just have to hold down the fort until then.
by JmarcL4 on Mar 2, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
get well greg.
man if greg doesnt get well we will never win a championship.
by riccc_l on Mar 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me of Roy's rookie year
After an injury filled college career, Roy had the heel thing that was supposed to go away over a week, then more, then more, then… like, 25 games later, he was okay. Until he wasn’t.
And of course, LMA’s rookie year started with shoulder surgery and ended with a g’oll dang heart problem.
Point is, this is super frustrating, as every little negative thing is with our franchise center. But it isnt long term issues, and crap like this does happen to a LOT of players early in their careers.
We’re lucky we’re more than a good enough team to handle Oden being out, but for the playoffs and for the future the more Oden plays, the better off we will ALWAYS be. This really sucks and frustrates me as a fan, and I dislike the crap a kid like Oden gets just for getting a raw knee knocking deal.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roy didn't miss 99 games (and counting)
in his first 2 seasons.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He woulda'
If he was in the NBA at the same age as Oden. Roy was hurt a lot his first few seasons, plus his ouchies as a NBA rook.
LMA was out for a long time with hip surgery as well, at Texas.
I just think we’re cursed from age 19-22. JUST WAIT TILL WE’RE 23, BOY.
Morty
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy missed a total of 9 games for which he was eligable in his college career
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he had a few knee surgeries
maybe they were in the offseason?
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
missed 9 games his Junior year with a meniscus tear in his knee
that’s all I could find. He played every game his Soph and Senior years, and appeared in every game his Frosh year after becoming eligible.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
....................not only an iron man, but also a really good dancer!
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Short seasons, out at the right time
His length of time being out was pretty lengthy, ala Odie.
Both Roy and LMA started out very “injury prone”, to use the term loosely and to not actually mean literal injury proneness.
It was always sumthin’ with the both of them, and it has seemed to fade over the short time they’ve been Blazers. The heel, the knee, the plantar flascitis, the heart, the groin, the shoulder, etc. All except the heart are basketball related injuries so not that worrisome (as long as they don’t flare up over and over, like we worried the heel would).
Don’t you agree that they spent a good chunk of their early careers, around the same age as Oden, being injured?
I’m not saying it’s exactly the same, just that it reminded me of Roy and LMA’s minor setbacks after another that worried us to a lesser degree.
I remember Roy’s knee having those big question marks on draft day, and is now deemed a ‘basketball player’s knee’. He might not have missed many games out of the short NCAA season, but he has had 3 surgeries on the knee at least. That ain’t nuthin’, but still don’t worry me since it is manageable.
The knee bumping thing by itself doesn’t bug me (the Oden injury), it’s the wait and the handling and the insinuations that he could have come back and was just wussin’ it.
Mortimer
Morty
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time you believing you aren't worried about Oden's health
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
It isn’t anything I can control. Am I glad about it? No, but it’s how it goes.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I worry
But more because it’s GREG ODEN and less about what has happened.
The micro is one thing, but he’s done well coming back from that. No pain, no setbacks there. That has been, all things considered, wonderful.
The ankle sprain was normal as hell, and the knee banging is flukey and the handling of it odd. The injury itself isn’t a big deal. Worse thing they do is suck it out and he lets the hole heal for 2 weeks (which is what people said they shoulda’ done in the 1st place). If there is more to it, well… I dunno what that could be.
I do indeed worry about Oden more than the others because he is more important to our future success. Without him we’re just the Sacramento Kings from 2002 or so. Good, soft, ain’t gonna win it all even with 60+ wins in the regular season.
This specific injury, no, does not worry me. It’s just lame.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Mar 2, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Portland. If I were to purchase NBA LP Broadband, would I be able to watch Blazer games, or would I be blacked out?
by BR7formvp on Mar 2, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The only broadcasts I've had blacked out are the ones that are nationally televised.
I gave them my Co. mailing address and they don’t block the Nugget games.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Mar 2, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They blacked me out from my IP address, I think...
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are so corny why are you blaming the damn medical staff?!? blam the bust who gets injured every 20 games or so, whose missed his first season damn near a quarter of his second! man what a bust
kevin durant we love you
by EriBlazer on Mar 2, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"blam the bust who gets injured every 20 games or so"
Except for, you know, the 45 games he played in a row. I BLAM you.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop blamming the bust! Who do you think you are, Dick Cheney?
Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on Cue!!!
I swear I typed on this blog or Oregonlive about a week ago that either another 2-3 games or longer was going to be announced before the Indiana game. After this 7-10 day stretch, I’m thinking either 2-3 more games or season ending surgery o remove the chip……seriously.
It is better to not even care or think about Oden. Release that bad energy and focus on the real. The reason we have our current record is because B Roy is a freaking savage and LA has stepped up as well. Any bench player can come in a give us some nice points as well (Travis, Bayless, etc. ). We are not that dependant on Oden so just dont think about it.
I used to hope and imagine of what he could be on the court, but I have left those thoughts behind.
Your telling me Town and Country is the place to get my new ride??...hehuha
Yeah, I heard of them.
by Derftron on Mar 2, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Surgery to remove a chip is not season ending
It would be season ending if the whole patella was cracked. Which would be a pretty big information jump from a “bone chip”.
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't go jumping off a bridge, yet. It's not like sitting out a few more games is going to instantly ruin his career, and he's still likely to reach the lofty expectations that were set for him. It just means that GO won't have as many games to prepare
for the playoffs.
by BR7formvp on Mar 2, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Pontiff of the Pryz for Prez Posse...
by timbo on Mar 3, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Why rush it?
It’s not like we’re poised to go on a championship run this year. I mean yeah I’m bummed but in the bigger picture this is totally, totally irrelevant.
And the Willis Reed comparisons are beyond ridiculous. As if this were game 7 of the finals…. anyway, the guy limped in, hit a couple of jump hooks, and then limped out for the rest of the game while Walt Frazier and his teammates hit every shot they took while the aging Lakers stood there dumbfounded. Big freaking deal.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Mar 2, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I can see it now. Greg limps onto the court Wednesday against the Indiana Pacers. He dunks once, wincing in pain. He plays five more minutes, getting a blocked shot and a rebound, then limps back to the bench. Inspired by GO’s Willis Reed-like effort, Portland wins the game by 20 instead of 15. On Thursday, Canzano commends GO’s courage—and takes credit for inspiring it.
On Friday, GO goes under the knife and is lost for the remainder of this season and all of the next. Przy gets hurt too—playing all those minutes—and the Blazers fall back into the lottery. Roy & LMA, disgusted with the way Portland treated its franchise center, elect to play out their rookie contracts and sign with the Lakers. The Lakers go on to win a series of championships despite constant criticism by the LA Times’ popular new columnist, John Canzano.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
never gonna happen
canzano wouldn’t be popular there either
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Mar 2, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That’s scary. You should write post-apocalyptic horror fiction for a living.
This isn’t really gonna happen, RIGHT???
by ofred on Mar 2, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, since Andrew Bynum is also injury prone :)
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
followed by.....
Me jumping off the hawthorne bridge with a bloodstained Brandon Roy Lakers jersey wrapped around my neck connected by a rope.
Your telling me Town and Country is the place to get my new ride??...hehuha
Yeah, I heard of them.
by Derftron on Mar 2, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Webster too.....
The whole Webster injury has been fairly devastating, for me at least. I was stoked to see how this guy was going to advance this season. I almost bought a Webster jersey there for a while assuming the injury reports were correct and he was going to be back right after all-star break. Good thing I have come to just not believe anything our medical staff tells us at this point. I guess thats just how the NBA works. Organizations are afraid to come out and give it to people straight. Maybe fear of a backlash or drop in sales? I honestly don’t know why.
All I know is if I’m a Lakers fan which i never, ever will be, I am not looking for Bynum to be back this season.
by JmarcL4 on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why on Earth
don’t they make the Greg wear knee pads? Hakeem used to. Seems like cheap insurance and one that probably would of made a difference in this event. Couldn’t nike make some designer ones for him?
by Flapbreaker on Mar 2, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nobody wants used kneepads from Rex after what Nate has done to him
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
by broyposse on Mar 2, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one reason i predicted a scope
was that sometimes no one knows what’s going on in there until you go in. mri after mri is not the same as actually going in and looking around.
but it’s also true that there’s a large realm of injury that will just get better on its own. maybe it was a mistake, for instance, to have greg travel with the team on the road. walking for miles through an airport isn’t running and jumping but neither is it rest.
anyway, just talking off the top of my head without having any idea what the orthopods are saying to each other.
the team is playing well without him. at some point this knee will be resolved.
ignacio
by ignacio on Mar 2, 2009 9:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's it
I’m picking up smoking again.
I swear, I feel like I’m in a long distance relationship. One day we’ll be together and we’ll make sweet victories.
It’s gonna happen.
by Blazed and Confused on Mar 2, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is this Deja vu?
This almost reminds me of Sam Bowie’s injuries in the 80’s. I hope that Nate and crew are really trying to rest him and it is not surgery. It would be a shame to see a career as promising as GO’s go down like this
by RipCity1 on Mar 2, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Troll
You’re not trying to add anything to the conversation.
by champs2011 on Mar 2, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's far froma troll
He’s just saying what he feels. As long as we all respect each others feelings, hold hands, and hug it out, everything will be peachy keen!
Golly Gee, I sure hope I didn't huwt anybody's feewings.... sniff...sniff....
by SuperDave on Mar 3, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Canzano and Freeman still make it sound as if it's nothing major and Greg can play once the pain goes away
His whole “I looked him in the eyes and asked him” is drivel, but apparently nobody in the organization is saying that they are concerned about some bigger problem with this injury and structurally he is cleared to play from a medical perspective, yet Greg just says it still hurts too much and Nate didn’t like that he wasn’t yet running smoothly again.
Pritchard:
“His body is getting better, his knee is getting better, but the thing is he had a … chipped bone and that thing has got to heal. The big thing for us is we want him to get healthy and once he’s healthy, there won’t be any aggravation of (the knee).”
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As I wrote above, I'm not an MD, but I've had lots of knee surgeries
So I know that knees can be slow-healing and easily irritated. My ‘83 ACL reconstruction required a screw (into the top of the tibia) that was supposed to stay in there without causing any problems. But it irritated the knee and caused stiffness. My knee didn’t appear swollen, but there was swelling on the interior of the joint—thus the stiffness. That part reminds me of GO’s situation.
Without knowing anything about patellar chips, I still would guess that the loose chip might be causing irritation. Or maybe the knee to knee impact itself was enough to cause the ongoing problems. Like I said, knees can be slow to heal. As someone wrote above, MRI’s don’t reveal a lot of things. In the end, it often becomes necessary for a surgeon to go in there and look—and poke—around.
Someone above wrote that scoping the knee wouldn’t be season-ending. But if GO has an arthroscopic procedure 10 or 12 days from now, I think he’ll be done for the season. By the time he was cleared to play, he’d be too rusty and the team would be too used to playing without him. Bringing him back at that point—after the regular season had ended—would be counterproductive.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
u think it maybe has to do with season ticket sales? Isn't the renewal deadline like wednesday? my gut tells me this is more serious.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Mar 2, 2009 10:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Epic renewal deadline
isn’t until the 15th or so, IIRC. They are having open houses this week to try to get people to renew—the one I was invited to was on Thursday. So you can Book It that the deadline is at least later than Wednesday.
I have a different theory FTW: I wonder if maybe the Blazers med staff knows that the injury is season-ending, but they don’t want to break Greg’s heart after all of the rehab he’s gone through. Maybe they think it’s easier to just keep telling him “Hang in there for two more weeks, big guy, and everything will be OK!”. You know, keeping the carrot on the stick within striking distance. Admittedly this is a stretch but it might explain some of the anomalous circumstances of this whole Epic Fail situation.
by c'est bon on Mar 3, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a great opportunity for
us to get some perspective (yeah…..right) and be extremely pleased that Joel is a Blazer. I mean really, Joel has played most of the minutes available at the center position for the nearly 2 years Oden has been a Blazer. I am SO freaking glad he wasn’t traded away.
by antediluvian on Mar 3, 2009 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But he still gets down
So he cant play but he can go out with his buddies and do a bar crawl on sunday night after the SA game, thats awesome…
by flyRichie503 on Mar 3, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good
All this nonsense about him being day to day was wearing thin. We know definitively that Greg Oden in 2009 cannot be counted on to contribute a thing. At this point, I’d like to see him just come off the bench when (and if) he returns from this latest injury.
Maybe he should have his mommy fly out here to take care of him. You know, fluff his pillows and make him soup and the such.
Golly Gee, I sure hope I didn't huwt anybody's feewings.... sniff...sniff....
by SuperDave on Mar 3, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Taking time off
I’ve heard multiple people say that Greg should relax and take some time off, not rush things, take some time to decompress.
Whaaaaa???
This bum plays 45 games and people feel sorry for him! I’m soooooo sorry that the NBA is so tough and playing 40 games in 2 years has wrecked his mental. GET OVER IT. Get in shape and get on the damn court. I’m tired of hearing the “dont be so hard on Oden, you might lose him”. Screw that, this guy does not deserve all the baby treatment. man up big fella.
Your telling me Town and Country is the place to get my new ride??...hehuha
Yeah, I heard of them.
by Derftron on Mar 3, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Today, after a long and deep examination, the Blazers doctors have concluded that Elvis is alive and coming back to sing in two weeks.
Hi docs, love you guys, just kidding. Good luck.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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