The Sched Ahead -- March 2 Weekly Update
SUMMARY INFO (rehashed)
Four categories of games (now with additional names for the non-numerically inclined):
- Home games against sub .500 teams. Cream Puff Home.
- Home games against winning teams (I'm including teams right at .500 in this category). Jawbreaker Home.
- Road games at losing teams. Banana Peel Road.
- Road games at winning teams. Rocky Road.
A general formula for success in the NBA is to win almost all of Cat 1 (Cream Puff Home), a majority of Cat 2 (Jawbreaker Home) and Cat 3 (Banana Peel Road), and win some in Cat 4 (Rocky Road). The contenders may win more than half of their Cat 4 games.
Discussed further by ulc and here.
DAILY UPDATE
E-mail to the league: If you tortuously interfere with our playoff chances when we play on your court, we'll return the favor when we see you in Portland. Nice to see good ball movement -- even good defenses break down eventually when you move the ball.
Detroit gets a nice win at Boston to move back to .500, so categories flip back to where they were at the start of the week. Look for Rip to keep starting the rest of the season.
Phoenix, without Nash again, got a nice win at home against the L@kers. Shaq can still do a few things on the court. Everyone counted these guys out when Amare went down, but as I said at the time, "chemistry is a funny thing." They still have a long way to go, and they have to go out on the road this week. Should be interesting.
Chris Paul had two steals in the last minute and the Hornets pulled out a close one at New Jersey.
Jarrett Jack had 28 points and 8 assists, one of the better games he's played for Portland, to lead the Pacers past Denver. He also had three turnovers, but word is still out on whether or not any of them were stepping out of bounds. No one should think the Pacers are a pushover, even without Granger. Especially in Indiana. Division leaders just can't win there.
As I predicted, Houston came out after it right from the start, despite a back to back, and put the Timberwolves down quickly. You can always count on me to remind you if I actually get a prediction right. I'm dependable that way. Too bad, there was always a chance -- Houston has been really bad on the road recently. I'm happy to see them drop one of the Chicago/Minnesota games, though -- can't really complain about that.
Jason Kidd passed 10,000 assists (will likely pass Magic Johnson in assists this year to move into 3rd on the all time list), Jason Terry returned from injury, and Dallas continued to take care of business with a home win over Toronto. This is the first of 5 in 7 nights for the Mavs. The next two weeks may tell us a lot about where they will finish.
Utah got a win on a back to back at G.S. That would normally be considered quite an accomplishment, but Monta Ellis was rested because his ankle is still giving him trouble, and Jax was rested because, well, because Nellie doesn't like us or something. Both of our division rivals have now won games when their opponents simply decided to rest healthy stars. That's 8 in a row for the Jazz as they dig themselves out of the depths. They are really rolling, and might not lose this week, either.
COMMENTS ON THE WEEK
Category Shifting. Both Detroit and Philly dropped below .500 but are back to that level again. Shifts during the week, but none since this time last week.
Portland (2-2) lost two Rocky Road (Cat 4) games, won a Banana Peel Road (Cat 3) and a Jawbreaker Home (Cat 2). Decent week, slight improvement.
Dallas (3-1) won 3 Cream Puff Home (Cat 1) games and lost a Rocky Road (Cat 4) at S.A. Lost some ground.
Denver (2-2) won 2 of 3 Jawbreaker Home (Cat 2) games, beating Atlanta and L.A. and getting crushed by Dallas, and dropped a Banana Peel (Cat 3) at Indiana. Lost ground.
Houston (3-1) had two nice Jawbreaker Home wins (Portland, Cleveland) and a Banana Peel Split on the road (Chicago, Minnesota). Gained ground, looking dangerous.
L.A. (2-2) won two at home, a Cream Puff (Cat 1) vs. OKC and a Jawbreaker (Cat 2) vs. Phoenix, then lost two Rocky Roads at Denver and Phoenix.
N.O. (4-0) is back on track and looking dangerous, winning two Banana Peels on the road and two at home, against Milwaukie and Detroit.
Phoenix (3-1) had their second good week in a row and are looking like a team that wants to make a run and get back in the hunt. People may have counted them out too soon. Two Cream Puff (Cat 1) home wins sandwiched around a Rocky Road loss in L.A., but then finishing the week with a nice Jawbreaker home (Cat 2) win against the L@kers. 6-2 since the all-star break, but almost all of those games have been at home, and only one win against a winning team in that stretch. This week, they get to try the road.
The Spurs (2-2) basically held position, going 2-1 on Cat 2 Jawbreaker Home games (wins against Dallas and Portland, loss to Cavs) and then losing a Rocky Road last night. A pretty good week considering their injury situation.
Utah (4-0) is finally a winning team in Banana Peel Road games (Cat 3) after winning two, and added a Cream Puff Home (Cat 1) win and a Jawbreaker Home (Cat 2) win against Atlanta.
Helped themselves: Houston, N.O., Phoenix, Utah.
Treading Water: Portland, S.A.
Hurt themselves: Dallas, Denver, L.A.
The tables:
Cat 4 -- Rocky Road
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 4 | 13 | 17 | 5 |
| Dallas | 7 | 9 | 16 | 7 |
| Denver | 6 | 9 | 15 | 7 |
| Houston | 6 | 8 | 14 | 8 |
| L.A. | 9 | 6 | 15 | 6 |
| N.O. | 6 | 10 | 16 | 6 |
| Phoenix | 3 | 10 | 13 | 8 |
| S.A. | 8 | 8 | 16 | 5 |
| Utah | 2 | 10 | 12 | 10 |
Things are heating up, and teams are defending their home court. Not one contender got a win in this category. Portland and L.A. lost two, Dallas, Phoenix, and S.A. lost one. Are we glad we only have five of these left? We are glad. Are we glad Utah has 10 and Phoenix and Houston have 8? We are very glad.
Cat 3 -- Banana Peel Road
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 9 | 4 | 13 | 6 |
| Dallas | 7 | 6 | 13 | 5 |
| Denver | 11 | 5 | 16 | 3 |
| Houston | 8 | 8 | 16 | 3 |
| L.A. | 12 | 2 | 14 | 6 |
| N.O. | 9 | 3 | 12 | 7 |
| Phoenix | 12 | 4 | 16 | 4 |
| S.A. | 11 | 3 | 14 | 6 |
| Utah | 9 | 7 | 16 | 3 |
Denver (for the second week in a row) and Houston each lost one in this category this week.
Cat 2 -- Jawbreaker Home
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 11 | 4 | 15 | 7 |
| Dallas | 5 | 8 | 13 | 8 |
| Denver | 12 | 7 | 19 | 3 |
| Houston | 11 | 4 | 15 | 7 |
| L.A. | 14 | 3 | 17 | 5 |
| N.O. | 10 | 5 | 15 | 7 |
| Phoenix | 9 | 7 | 16 | 6 |
| S.A. | 8 | 7 | 15 | 7 |
| Utah | 13 | 4 | 17 | 4 |
Denver and S.A. were the only teams to take a loss in this category this week (both against Eastern elites). Both offset the losses with two quality wins in this category as well.
Cat 1 -- Cream Puff Home
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 13 | 1 | 14 | 5 |
| Dallas | 17 | 0 | 17 | 3 |
| Denver | 10 | 0 | 10 | 9 |
| Houston | 13 | 2 | 15 | 4 |
| L.A. | 13 | 1 | 14 | 5 |
| N.O. | 11 | 4 | 15 | 4 |
| Phoenix | 10 | 4 | 14 | 5 |
| S.A. | 12 | 1 | 13 | 6 |
| Utah | 13 | 2 | 15 | 5 |
No losses in these games this week, either, for the second week in a row. As I said last week, "Concentration is up as the playoff battle heats up, and we'll probably see fewer losses in this category than we did earlier." If you think we might have a chance at Denver, just remember that they still have nine of these left. If you are concerned about Dallas passing us, just remember that they have been feasting on these all year but only have three left.
All Home Games
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 24 | 5 | 29 | 12 |
| Dallas | 22 | 8 | 30 | 11 |
| Denver | 22 | 7 | 29 | 12 |
| Houston | 24 | 6 | 30 | 11 |
| L.A. | 27 | 4 | 31 | 10 |
| N.O. | 21 | 9 | 30 | 11 |
| Phoenix | 19 | 11 | 30 | 11 |
| S.A. | 20 | 8 | 28 | 13 |
| Utah | 26 | 6 | 32 | 9 |
We are still rampant at home. Utah has three fewer home games left than we have.
All Away Games
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 13 | 17 | 30 | 11 |
| Dallas | 14 | 15 | 29 | 12 |
| Denver | 17 | 14 | 31 | 10 |
| Houston | 14 | 16 | 30 | 11 |
| L.A. | 21 | 8 | 29 | 12 |
| N.O. | 15 | 13 | 28 | 13 |
| Phoenix | 15 | 14 | 29 | 12 |
| S.A. | 19 | 11 | 30 | 11 |
| Utah | 11 | 17 | 28 | 13 |
There are still only two really strong road teams (and we beat one of them last night). It would be really good to see that road record get up close to .500 -- we're kind of lagging behind the pack in road winning percentage.
All Games Against Winning Teams
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 15 | 17 | 32 | 12 |
| Dallas | 12 | 17 | 29 | 15 |
| Denver | 18 | 16 | 34 | 10 |
| Houston | 17 | 12 | 29 | 15 |
| L.A. | 23 | 9 | 32 | 11 |
| N.O. | 16 | 15 | 31 | 13 |
| Phoenix | 12 | 17 | 29 | 14 |
| S.A. | 16 | 15 | 31 | 12 |
| Utah | 15 | 14 | 29 | 14 |
Edge to Denver, disadvantage to Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, and Utah, as far as remaining games is concerned. We're still quite competitive here.
All Games Against Losing Teams
| W | L | Played | Left | |
| Portland | 22 | 5 | 27 | 11 |
| Dallas | 24 | 6 | 30 | 8 |
| Denver | 21 | 5 | 26 | 12 |
| Houston | 21 | 10 | 31 | 7 |
| L.A. | 25 | 3 | 28 | 11 |
| N.O. | 20 | 7 | 27 | 11 |
| Phoenix | 22 | 8 | 30 | 9 |
| S.A. | 23 | 4 | 27 | 12 |
| Utah | 22 | 9 | 31 | 8 |
We've caught Denver in win pct vs. losing teams -- but most of their remaining games against losing teams are at home while 6 of our 11 are on the road.
Back to Back Games
| Total | Road | Cat4 | Cat3 | Cat2 | Cat1 | |
| Portland | 5 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| Dallas | 6 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Denver | 5 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| Houston | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| L.A. | 4 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| N.O. | 5 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| Phoenix | 5 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 |
| S.A. | 5 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Utah | 7 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
We cleared one of these, get another this week at Denver. It would be really, really, really good to win that one. Really good, with potential tiebreaker ramifications vs. both Denver and Utah.
Winning/Losing Standings
How many games have been played against winning teams, and how many against losing teams -- and how many are remaining.
| W Played | L Played | W Left | L Left | ||||
| Portland | 32 | 27 | +5 | 12 | 11 | -1 | |
| Dallas | 29 | 30 | -1 | 15 | 8 | -7 | |
| Denver | 34 | 26 | +8 | 10 | 12 | +2 | |
| Houston | 29 | 31 | -2 | 15 | 7 | -8 | |
| L.A. | 32 | 28 | +4 | 11 | 11 | 0 | |
| N.O. | 31 | 27 | +4 | 13 | 11 | -2 | |
| Phoenix | 29 | 30 | -1 | 14 | 9 | -5 | |
| S.A. | 31 | 27 | +4 | 12 | 12 | 0 | |
| Utah | 29 | 31 | -2 | 14 | 8 | -6 |
Check out Houston, Dallas, Utah, and Phoenix -- a lot of tough games left.
The Important Stuff
Here is the vital stuff: the jscot Stupid Sched Projections, with 30 day min/max/avg/30 days ago history.
Standard Disclaimer: How these work (if they can be said to work, which is doubtful), and why they are stupid, is explained in previous posts. Do not blame me. This is only the numbers. It isn't the spreadsheet's fault, either, the spreadsheet is only doing what it is told to do. Someone was stupid enough to tell the spreadsheet to do it, but we don't want to discuss that.
Playoff seedings if everyone keeps winning in every category at exactly the same rate for the rest of the season, and if no .500 or better team turns into a losing team, or vice versa (is that enough disclaimers)?
See the original disclaimer in the very first post (linked above). Also see the new disclaimer in this post, if you care. If you don't care, I don't either, but don't blame me.
- L.A. -- 65.5 wins, down from 67.0.
- S.A. -- 55.5 wins, unchanged, but up from 3rd. (min 54.4, max 57.2, avg 56.0, 30 days ago 56.8)
- Denver -- 54.8 wins, down from 55.5 in 2nd. (min 54.3, max 57.6, avg 55.7, 30 days ago 54.8)
- Portland -- 52.1 wins, up from 51.9. (min 51.2, max 53.8, avg 52.0, 30 days ago 52.6)
- Houston -- 51.5 wins, up from 50.6. (min 49.4, max 51.5, avg 50.3, 30 days ago 50.4)
- N.O. -- 51.1 wins, up from 49.3. (min 49.2, max 53.5, avg 50.5, 30 days ago 53.5).
- Dallas -- 47.8, down from 48.5. Hurt by the S.A. loss, still taking care of business against bad teams. (min 47.8, max 50.8, avg 49.1, 30 days ago 48.8)
- Utah -- 47.7 wins, up from 46.1. (min 43.8, max 47.7, avg 45.4, 30 days ago 43.8).
- Phoenix -- 45.8 wins, up from 44.7. (min 42.5, max 45.8, avg 44.2, 30 days ago 42.5)
Min/Max/Avg
Note that three teams, Houston, N.O., Utah, and Phoenix are solidly above their avg for the last 30 days, and are trending up. My spreadsheet still doesn't like the L@kers for some reason, so I'm not providing their numbers.
The Coming Week
Well, everyone kind of hung in there, no big movements despite the tough games on the schedule last week. This week may be the one that finishes Phoenix....
- Portland. Two home games that should be easily winnable sandwiched around a really tough one at Denver. Win the home games and at worst we drop a little ground. Lose one of them and we have to win at Denver. Win all three and you can start to think about home playoff games and a possible division title.
- Dallas. @OKC on a back to back, home games against S.A. & Washington, and a game at N.O. 3 wins would be a good week, less and they look pretty vulnerable.
- Denver. Tough week -- at rejuvenated Detroit Tuesday, home to Portland Thursday, @ Utah (back to back), @ Sac. Three wins would be a great week. If we can beat them, it could be a very bad week for them.
- Houston. 3 home games (two Cream Puffs and Phoenix), and a tough back to back at Utah. Expect 3 wins.
- L.A. Won't lose this week, will next week.
- N.O. @Philly tonight on a back to back, then 2 home games (including Dallas). 2 wins would be good, 3 would be great.
- Phoenix. The week of death for Phoenix. 4 Rocky Road games, back to back in Florida then a night off before playing in Houston and another off before playing in San Antonio. If they are still only 3 behind us at the end of this week, it will be totally amazing. One win would be a decent week, two wins would be very, very good.
- S.A. @Clips (tonight, on a back to back), @Dallas, then home games against Washington and Phoenix. Will be looking for 3 wins, but tonight could be tricky for them.
- Utah. Home games against Houston and Denver, both of which will be on a back to back. Then, they begin a tough five game Eastern swing on Sunday at Toronto. Will be looking to sweep again this week -- Sunday may be the toughest of the three.
Head to Head -- Houston
There is a lot of focus around the Bedge these days on Houston as our rivals for the #4 seed. As long as we keep winning the home games, and beat the teams we should on the road, we're certainly in the hunt for that. I should warn you that I will be surprised, even though Houston is in 4th right now, if they hang on to that spot -- the greatest threats to us are N.O. and Utah. It is also possible (though I still consider it unlikely) that we pass Denver, and still finish fourth because one of those other teams passes us.
In any event, I thought it would be of interest to compare our schedule ahead with Houston's. We are even with them in the loss column, one behind in the win column. Since the all-star break, we are 5-2, they are 6-1. Our two losses were Rocky Road (Cat 4) -- they have not played any Cat 4s since the break.
Houston has 11 road games left. So do we. 5 of ours are against winning teams, 8 of theirs. Of those games against winning teams, 3 of ours are on a back to back (Denver, Cleveland, S.A.), 2 of theirs are (Utah and Denver). Neither of us would be favored in those games, even if they weren't on a back to back, so that may be irrelevant. The heavier schedule against winning teams is very much in our favor.
Houston has 3 road games against losing teams, one of which is a back to back (Golden State). They are 8-8 on the road against losing teams. We have 6 left, two of which are back to back (Memphis, Clippers). I would rather play at Clippers on a back to back than play at L@kers, as Houston still has to do. I would rather play at Memphis on a back to back than at G.S. on a back to back. Our road schedule is definitely easier, and we should expect to gain a game or two on them in the remaining road games.
Houston has 11 home games left, we have 12. Both have 7 left against winning teams. We have five left against losing teams, they have four. One of their home games is a back to back, against S.A., after playing in Charlotte the night before. The Spurs will have had a day off, and will be coming off a four game home stand. Manu should be back by then, as well. Houston should expect a war in that one.
They have really tough home games against L.A., Orlando, and S.A. We have L.A. (2, one they will be on a back to back) and Denver. We also have Dallas, Utah, Phoenix, and Philly all coming in on a back to back. I see us winning those four, and probably 2 of the other 3. They have N.O. and Detroit both on a back to back (they should win those) and Phoenix and Portland. Their home schedule against winning teams is definitely also tougher than ours. At worst, we should break even with them, and probably gain a game or two, in the remaining home games against winning teams.
We host Indiana, Minnesota, N.J., Memphis, and OKC. We should win all of those, but could drop one. They host Toronto, Memphis, Minnesota, and Clippers. This is the only part of the schedule where their road really looks easier -- we've got a couple dangerous games, games we definitely should win but could drop, while they probably shouldn't have much trouble with any of those. At best, we will likely break even with them, and might drop a game, in remaining home games against losing teams.
I see a significant edge the rest of the way against Houston. The Rose Garden has been a great advantage for us this year, and should continue to be -- of our seven tough opponents at home, four come in on a back to back. As long as we hold our home court reasonably well and continue to do the job on the road against losing teams, we should be able to gain an advantage on the Rockets.
Tiebreaker: 1-1 with one game remaining in Houston. If we win that, we will also win the tiebreaker, but probably won't need it. If we lose it, they win the tiebreaker, and it helps narrow the schedule advantage that we have.
Tonight's Games
N.O. at Philly. Hornets on a back to back. Philly loss would cause category switches.
Dallas at OKC. Mavs on a back to back. Dangerous for them.
S.A. at Clippers. The third of our rivals with a back to back. L.A. is mostly healthy, so is also dangerous.
Philly would have to be favored against the Hornets, but not overwhelmingly. The other two games, if we're lucky we catch a break in one of them. It will be a disappointment if all of our rivals win, but pretty surprising if more than one of them loses. Perhaps someone in the crowd last night was making a Timmy doll and will be sticking needles in it every time he shoots tonight, or something.
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I love this thread. Always optimistic here, which I enjoy.
To know only 3 games separate us from not making the playoffs is down right scary.
This is about the strangest season I’ve seen, where most teams in the West (that are currently in the playoff race), are not guaranteed a spot in the playoffs or home court advantage, as of yet. So much of the story is left to be told. It’s almost as if we haven’t reached the central conflict in the book yet.
Personally, I think Portland is playing it’s best basketball of the season right now, even despite the recent road trip. I’m calling out Outlaw, Aldridge, Frye, and Sergio, all players that I’ve ranted on in the past; each has demonstrated some steady progress.
If we keep playing like this, and Outlaw, Aldridge, Frye and Sergio stay “consistent” we’re rollin in the home court for the 09’ playoffs.
Just like last week, we need to win at Denver. We need to win on the road against a premier squad in the west. We need it. Bad.
Go Blazers.
like last year
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
I've been really appriciating these regular updates since youve started
(i dont think i’ve missed a single one) as it saves me a ton of personal research, and grants me a slightly deaper insight. I enjoy the levity and personal comments as well. This has been allstar posting from the start.
Whats really impresive, is that after a crushing blow to your dominance in the PO standing watch by jksnake99, you’ve responded with Blazer tanacity by adding a new element to your steady comentary. This is xzaktly what i’ve been looking for, (well, the curiosity has been unnamed but building) and I feal quite saticefied. I trust that you will also moniter those teams that rival us for postiion when the time is right and of cours as you yourself have the time to post. outstanding as usual.
some times you and jksnake are like lamarcus and go at there persumed pinickle. you two are the twin towers of BEdge. Now if we could just get some consistancy out of jksnake and get him doing his thing regular……
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
LOL
I could go for some consistency from snake, too.
I’ll probably only do one or two more of these weekly things, it’s winding down for this year.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
there is a point in the season
when it’s more useful to project actual games. We’re almost there… the work you’ve done with these has been great. Thanks for all the updates.
acquire andre iguodala
lol
I settle for too many numbers only posts (jump shots) instead of working hard and doing real analysis breaking them down (getting to the foul line). Every once in a while I show signs of a breakout post, but the consistency just isn’t there right now. I have failed to make “the leap” thus far but maybe I’ll be a late bloomer.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And you get angry at him for not fulfilling his potential yet
Just as you’re angry at yourself for not fulfilling (in your opinion) your own personal potential to the fullest.
DAMN YOU LMA/MYSELF, I KNOW YOU/I CAN DO IT, SO WHY DON’T YOU/ME DO IT CONSISTENTLY.
I’ve been making you and LMA’s torrid love/hate affair the subject of my doctoral thesis. Hope you don’t mind.
Mortimer MD.
I think your defense of your points is improving
but that can be hard to quantify.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
it could be worse
At least you’re not underwhelming. – Elgin
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
I am amazed at how many good teams are coming into our house on Back to Backs
I hope that provides us with a strong advantage in those games.
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 2, 2009 9:09 AM PST reply actions
Our strong advantage
is that we’re a good team that becomes elite on our home court. The back to backs are a minor advantage that supplements the strong advantages we already have.
The only reason we aren’t elite is because with youth and inexperience comes inconsistency and the lack of understanding of how to carry over that fine play on the road. But next year, we win 60 games or more, because we’ll get more quality road wins.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Thanks J!
very well done
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Too much worry about Rockets
I bet if you calculate it, Portland has a less than 25% chance of playing any given team in the first round.
Whips Jscot get to work on that!
Well, like I said
I don’t think the Rockets are the greatest threat to us. I just chose them because people seem to be talking about them a lot right now.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
People are too short sighted :-)
Being 4/5 with them right now doesn’t mean we will be 6 hours from now. (I’m assuming there are relevant games tonight!)
You do have us against them right now, but not by much!
good work, as always
My approach to every day’s schedule is to simply root against any team in the Western playoff hunt. If the game involves two teams in that category, I root for LA (I know…) and SA against anyone else. If the two teams in question are both from the “anyone else” group, I basically root agaisnt the team lowest in the standings, with the possible exception of rooting against Denver and Utah regardless (winning hte divison would be so nice).
Denver is going to be hard to catch and stay ahead of though, they have a very favorable schedule remaining. If they start pulling away from us, I’ll probably add them to the same rooting category as SA and LA.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Most of the rest of their schedule is easy
But they do have enough tough games that we could have a shot at them. It would help a LOT if we can win there. If not, we’re going to probably have to win the rest of our home games to beat them out.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
We need to win in Denver
If we go 1-1 with them, they have the easier schedule no doubt.
If we can go 2-0 against them, their schedule is still easier the rest of the way, but we’d have the 1 game lead on them + the tie breaker. So they’d need to beat us by 3 games, tough to do even with the gimpier schedule.
Utah has got to be favored to win the division at this point.
Experience, Jerry Sloan, and they’re just better.
if I'm a playoff team, I don't want to face them...
but take a gander at their schedule though. Denver has by far the easiest closing schedule of the 3 NW Division contenders.
Boomshakalaka
It'll be a great ride the next 6 weeks.
I’ve picked Utah to win the division all year, so I’m stickin’ with that. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if 1 or 2 games separates 3 from 9 come April. That’ll be an amazing finish. Still gotta figure the less experienced squads will fade. And I think that includes Denver to some extent. I just hope Phoenix doesn’t leverage their experience and get on a roll. We are still the team most likely not to make the playoffs if Phoenix manages to get in.
this OKC team
didn’t have Durant or Green. They were beaten by Thabo Sefolosha, Kyle Weaver, and Westbrook.
acquire andre iguodala
I'm a broken record on this one...
You must remember my argument. The other eight teams were all in the playoffs last year. That doesn’t guarantee them the playoffs this year, it simply favors them.
at the start of the season maybe
we’re 59 games in! The info from last year is no longer relevant except for players who have been injured this season.
Boomshakalaka
you are vigorous
in your arguments, but this is just an assertion you make, no more or less defended than mine.
i am not making a statistical argument...
and i tend to discredit statistical arguments, as you know.
Well that helps me know that you won’t accept any argument I put forward. I guess intution > proof?
acquire andre iguodala
there is no proof.
in predicting the future. Not in systems as complex as human systems. I studied Physics. So I understand the scientific method. And why it’s applications to human systems has very limited application.
I don't understand
why last year’s performance hurts our chances to win games. Even if we lost every game against Western Contenders from here on out, we could still make the playoffs.
It’s like saying Brandon is a good NBA player, judging from last season. We’ve seen 59 games this year, enough to base our opinions on this year, and not on last.
acquire andre iguodala
did i say that last year's performance hurts our chances to win games?
What I am saying is to put your money on the cock that’s walked out of the ring a few times ahead of the one that is untested.
the cocks aren’t fighting eachother. The Blazers don’t have to take down the Spurs to make the playoffs. They have to take down Memphis, OKC, Indiana… those kind of teams.
acquire andre iguodala
e.g.
if they go 7-0 vs. Indiana, Memphis, and OKC, they would have 44 wins. That’s almost to the playoffs.
acquire andre iguodala
Forest through the trees!
Us going 7-0 against losing teams would be more significant if we had a significant lead! At the moment, the standings indicate that 3 days from now, the four seed could be the 8. As a consequence, we look at other factors besides record to determine who is favored. Jscot prefers projections of this season’s performance against winning and losing teams at home and away. I prefer to use my own sense of a team’s quality combined with some weighting for being winners in the past. Is one better than the other? I don’t know.
looking at it from a different perspective
I generally consider the team, not the competition. If we win our games against mediocre competition, we’ll have 50 wins and be in the playoffs. No matter what, we’ll make it in if we win the games we should.
There are definitely different ways to look at it, though.
acquire andre iguodala
this notion of "winning the games we should"
discounts the ability of teams with guts to win the games they shouldn’t when they have to. Take this out of sport and you eliminate a lot of the beauty and drama of it.
agreed
the bottom feeders in the NBA oftentimes mail the season in at the end, though.
The best part in rooting for an up and coming team is beating a better team. Beating the Spurs would not have felt as good if we had not lost badly to them last week… it’s why I think this is one of the most fun times to be a fan of a team. The development stage.
acquire andre iguodala
definitely.
and I am not saying otherwise. All I am saying is given how close the race is in the West, experience is going to play a significant role in the final seeding. I would put it close to Scheduling as a factor in the guesswork that some people like to pretend is somehow “scientific” by using statistics.
experience is going to play a significant role in the seeding
Really? Experience will help us beat teams that are just as young as us, like Memphis and OKC? Or mediocre eastern teams at home, like New Jersey or Indiana?
acquire andre iguodala
I think you hear my point.
You just don’t agree. That’s ok. I am fascinated by the dominance of the statistical method in our culture at the moment. Up until 30 years ago ,it was that Arts and Sciences that dominated University curricula. Social Sciences have exploded in this era and the consequences are just starting to be felt in so many areas…
Yeah
I guess I just think we’ll win games late in the season, simply because other teams will have mailed it in. I dunno how hard some of the teams will be playing. Throw into that that we are a very good team, and I think we’ll make it in.
It’s a different world, changing every year. Statistical analysis has been growing by leaps and bounds in basketball… seven years ago, people thought Iverson was a terrific basketball player. We now see his inefficiency and think less of him.
methinks it has changed for good, the way most people look at basketball.
acquire andre iguodala
we see whatever world we've trained our minds
to understand. 7 years ago, maybe Iverson was a great player. Because that’s how greatness was viewed. The whole is not equal to the sum of the parts.
anyway,
thx for the conversation. I’ve enjoyed these sparring matches with the statistically inclined!
Not Dallas or Phoenix
The other eight teams were all in the playoffs last year. That doesn’t guarantee them the playoffs this year, it simply favors them.
Dallas’ record after the Kidd/Harris trade was lousy, and the current Dallas team would not have made the playoffs, or even close, last year. You can’t say that these are fringe players.
Phoenix got in with a few games to spare last year. They might have made it if the Marion/Shaq trade had been done at the start of the year, but they didn’t play that well after that trade — they got in on the basis of wins before Shaq came. They also got in with contributions from Amare, Diaw, etc. The Phoenix team playing now is far different from the Phoenix team that earned a playoff spot last year. Just because they have “Suns” on their jersey doesn’t mean they are the same team.
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Facts
Last year, in their last 22 games, Dallas was 12-10. After Kidd arrived, they were 16-13. They got in on the basis of early season success, not based on how good the current team is.
Phoenix was 18-11 with Shaq and Amare last year, 15-7 in the last 22 games. That’s a pretty good run in, but not likely to catch us. During those last 22 games, Amare led them in scoring 17 times, exceeding 30 eight times. Think they’ll miss him? If they go 14-9 the rest of the way, that would be a wonderful accomplishment, and would give them 48 wins. That might make the playoffs, but it won’t beat us.
It is correct to say that experienced teams may raise their game and make a run at us. But that only translates into losses for us when we play them. And we proved on Sunday that some of the times that we play them, the loss will be theirs. Even if every other contender makes a run, we’re going to have 50 or more wins — probably 52-53.
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experience=irrelevant if it hasn't shown up in a team's play by now
I picked Utah to win the division this year also, and I still think they would have if not for the injuries. Not because of experience— because they are really good. Now, its Denver’s to lose though.
Dallas, one of the more experienced teams in the league, just fell on the road to OKC… without Durant and Green. Dallas is the 2nd most likely team to miss out after Phoenix. 3rd is a tossup between Utah (because of the brutal schedule), New Orleans, us and Houston.
Boomshakalaka
no more than it has all season
we haven’t been winning games like those Texas road games last week at any point this year— but we haven’t stopped winning the games we should win either. Did you happen to catch this piece by Hollinger that Cab posted earlier today (scroll down a bit)?
Boomshakalaka
exactly, but you can believe
that experience will start to show up in other teams play. Look at what Utah and New Orleans have been up to lately. It’s called the stretch run.
Look at what Dallas has been up too
Losing to OKC without their one saving grace. You can’t just cite what helps you and ignore what doesn’t. Yes NO and Utah are on healthy winning streaks, what a shocker!
Utah doesn’t even have all that much experience compared to a lot of teams. They are just freaking good when healthy. I’d have to double check, but I think my pre season prediction had them winning Pacific Division by a good margin.
actually, jk,
you’ve got it backwards…the quality of a team is what’s shown up in a team’s play by now. Down the stretch and in the playoffs is when experience counts!
Hollinger said today
over at Holdahl’s blog, that younger teams have historically fared well in the playoffs.
acquire andre iguodala
And if a young team makes the playoffs...
…they’re usually a special type of team to make it that far.
So, chicken, egg, sorta kinda not really, I dunno.
Experience certainly matters, but talent can beat experience when the talent is better. We are BETTER, as a team, than Dallas and PHX and even if we struggle against them when we specifically play them, we win more games.
If our talent isn’t overwhelmingly better than the, say, Spurs experience, then the experience will beat the talent most of the time.
Experience is probably overrated, but it does matter. It won’t beat a good team on its own, however.
Mortimer
the better way of stating it is not "younger teams do better"
its that “given two teams who perform equally well in the regular season, the younger team is likely to do slightly better in the playoffs, possibly due to wear on tear on the bodies of the veteran teams.”
Boomshakalaka
this is old school conventional basketball wisdom that has been shown to be wrong again and again
If you take two teams that perform equally well in the regular season, the younger team is more likely to do well in the playoffs. “Experience” is nothing more than a way to explain why veteran teams win— but its not any more of a factor now than in December.
Boomshakalaka
I like that Old Time Religion...
We shall see my friends who is right on this…it will be close, either way.
wow, seriously?
still, their key guys (except for Peja) were in their first playoff run.
Boomshakalaka
I was stunned
but I guess Peja, Posey, Butler, MoPete, West, Daniels, etc. are all older players. Their only young prospects are Julian Wright and Hilton Armstrong…
acquire andre iguodala
Dats crazy but true, ain't it
They “feel” like an up n’ coming team because of last season, but really aren’t as of now. They is what they is.
Paul can get better, but how much gooder can one man get?!
West and Chandler are what they are for better or worse. I like Wright, but he’s got the potential to be a star role player type, not a really-improve-the-team-from-playoffs-to-contending type.
Last year I felt like they’d be the new Sacramento Kings or Suns: win a bunch, except in the playoffs. For years. That mighta’ been rating them too highly, though obviously they are a good team. Just not gonna really get much more-er good-er.
Paul has many many many years left of dominance, so they can put a better team around him again.
Mortimer
They are a one man team
and that one man is young. Therefore, they are a young team.
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Right
but take a gander at their schedule though. Denver has by far the easiest closing schedule of the 3 NW Division contenders.
Utah is essentially unchanged from last year, and they were a poor road team last year, too. 6 of their last 10 are on the road against playoff teams. No way they win more than 7 games in that stretch, and I’ll be amazed if they win 6.
They’ve been on a tear recently, but it has all been at home. That tear may take them to first, but to stay there is going to be very, very difficult.
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Seed does not really matter
I don’t believe that the playoff seed really matters all that much. You can be a lower seed than someone and match up with them extremely well. Or what if you are playing good basketball at the time the playoffs come and you are like say a 6? I think that if you are a good team, you will be able to win on the road if you have to. That’s why I think that the Blazers are in trouble when the playoffs come around cuz we can’t win on the road. We may be able to get y in the 1st round byt nothing more.
by Saints Fan From Ohio on Mar 2, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions
Home court advantage
in the first round would be great. It gives us a chance to get a second series, and playoff experience is very valuable for a young team. The playoff experience of actually winning a series would be even better.
We are good enough to steal a win on the road from almost anyone, but everyone else is good enough to get one from us in Portland, too.
It was never about winning a championship this year. It was always about building for the future. Seeding is also important for confidence in future. Even if you get swept in the first round, if you got a 4 seed, that really helps you feel confident going into the new year.
Don’t forget that as a young team we are inconsistent, but we are also extremely talented. When young and talented teams get on a roll, things like last night against the Spurs happen sometimes. Few teams will want to face us in the playoffs, because while they may feel confident they can beat us, there is always the danger that 2 or 3 of our young guys get hot at once, and suddenly we’re rolling.
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Jarrett Jack had 28 points and 8 assists, one of the better games he’s played for Portland, to lead the Pacers past Denver. He also had three turnovers, but word is still out on whether or not any of them were stepping out of bounds.
lol
by samuelleejackson on Mar 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I wish he had played that game for Portland
when he was on Portland. – Elgin
Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
Good stuff as always, jscot
Anyone else think jscot should be writing for the oregonlive blazers blog, instead of Sean Meagher? (More like MEAGER, am i rite??) Nothing against him personally, but if you compare his update on the state of the NW to jscot’s weekly updates, it is obvious who puts more time into it.
He has a lot of other things to do besides that update
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Experience =
Hitting Steve Nash and knocking him out of the game so that he can’t lead his team to the NBA finals.

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