Mark Heisler of LA times
Pretty well respected write from LA times on blazer nation.
interesting...
almost 3 years ago
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I wonder where Heisler heard about the Blazers-Lakers rivalry?
I love it when big-shot L.A. writers all but admit they read Blazers Edge.
the ironic thing...
is that the-rivalry-that-everyone-claims-isn’t-a-rivalry has been around for 20+ years.
It didn’t originate recently and it certainly didn’t come from this beloved forum of ours.
These hacks from LA always say it’s not a rivalry… but they always have to bring it up and make that announcement.
If you feel the need to talk about it and insist that it’s not a rivalry continuosly… doesn’t that make it something of a rivalry?
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 14, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I love
that Oden’s season is “halved” (he’ll miss about twenty games), when Bynum has missed just about as many games as Greg. But Bynum is the center of the generation. That makes sense.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Mar 14, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
total hack, that guy.
Halved… aka quartered.
Oh, I didn’t mention that Bynum is out for the season for the 2nd year running? Oh, must’ve slipped my mind.
Hack.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 14, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't make it past the second half of the article
There’s nothig like a bit of biased jounalism in the morning.
by Se Hace La Vista Gorda on Mar 15, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Hack, for sure
I love how they split a SHORT article into four pages, double space all quotes and use shortened margins. It’s to get hits.
They could just write enough to fill it up. The Times is basically fleecing its advertisers. Kind of funny.
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cab.. you realize
that this year Oden has played in more games than all but one season of Bynum?
his second year when he avg 7 minutes, bynum played 82. but has never played more than 46 in a season. ever
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 16, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never read that idiot before...
but he reads just like our own idiot, Canzano.
It looks like he’s actually trying to trade jabs with The Bald One.
All in all, that was actually a very lame article. I don’t think he really had a fresh perspective on anything.
The F*kers won’t do any better this year than they did last year. Our team is catching up to them, and within a year or two will be surpassing them.
I’m tired of people saying that the F*kers/Blazers series isn’t a rivalry. It’s in tune with the reason that Portlanders in general hate SoCal’ers… the incessant attitude that they’re simply better and don’t even notice the simple folk… screw you, Heisler. Why do the F*kers always lose here? Why do the matchups usually get extra chippy?
Face it, this guy is trying to yuck it up… while he can. He knows the gap is closing faster than everyone expected.
Heisler… we’ll give you John! We don’t like him anyway! Screw off!
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Mar 14, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions
Is Conzano
a poor man’s Heisler, or is Heisler a poor man’s Conzano? Either way they’re both idiots.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 14, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like LA is rich
They’re broke. CA had to give I owe you’s instead of tax refunds this year. Simply put, CA government and society is an ironic joke.
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agreed
im a californian now.. :(
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 16, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I sent him this picture...
“In a more traditional part of growing up, the young Trail Blazers think big teams are out to punk them, which was why an unprovoked Oden shoved mild-mannered Ray Allen out of bounds in their Dec. 30 win over the Celtics.”

Clearly mild-mannerd Ray Elbow did not provoke Oden at all…
My stubbling is perfect...
And good greif!!
look how much bigger Oden’s arm is compared to Allen’s… sheesh.
My stubbling is perfect...
by In Walks Rudy on Mar 14, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
this article is ripe with Big City Condescension. Not surprising coming from an El Lay lizard. This guy seems to think that teams really aren’t “bullying” the Blazers, or any other team, around. Does this maroon even watch NBA games, other than his cherished L*kers? The best part was when he said Ariza merely slapped Rudy on the wrist. Terrible.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
I read it all the way though
but now I wished I hadn’t. He kind of makes me sick with his F*akerness. I think I’ll take some advil and lie down for a bit until I can muster up the strength to send him an email about proper journalism. Although, what was I really expecting? He is from Socal and I am from Portland so I must hate him. Its in my blood apparently.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
If you were from Southern Oregon
you would hate SoCal even more. Trust me, I’m from Medford where a lot of rich Californians decide to retire and infiltrate Oregon with their California self-important attitudes, track housing and gated communities. I firmly believe they’re all clones and/or lizard people.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 14, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed. they must be cloned lizards.
I’ve been to Medford once, long time ago though. Took us FOREVER to get there and we weren’t even there long enough for it to be totally worth it.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
Medford
is pretty boring. That might have changed (I moved up to Portland 10 years ago), but I’ve always thought Ashland was the best place to go in Southern Oregon for fun and tourist stuff. Oh, Jacksonville too.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 14, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah we went to ashland too. Medford and ashland kind of blur together in my memory now.
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
by Claire on Mar 15, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oddly enough
me too… Oh, and I rec’d you for being a Red Sox fan.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 15, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
one person's boring
is another’s quiet life
i lived in phoneix and east medford, miss the quiet and quick getaway to the local mountains.
too bad there is not a decent employer…i walked out on lithia and could never get the job i moved there for at bear creek
Nice litany of reasons the Blazers suck.
Thou doust protest too much nameless L*ker writer. “The Blazers rivals? Ha! The are stinky because blah blah blah blah.”
Your desert city abomination is a leech on humanity. Your streets are flooded with neurotic want to be actors and coked out scumbag producers. Everything in your neighbor hood is two dimensional like a bad set and your life expectancy is two years shorter than mine.
As for basketball… The Buss family displays behavior that the layman might easily confuse for insanity. Phil Jackson didn’t come up with the triangle offence, doesn’t actually run it very well, and can’t win without the best player in the league on his team. He’s a "zen’ fruitloop, but I guess that justifies behaving like a know-it-all snark machine when it comes to otherwise civil interviews and, god forbid, press conferences after a loss. The league seems to hand the Lakers every gift imaginable (Gasol, Fisher) to make them competitive and they still lose. Oh yeah and Kobe’s an accused rapist. Sweet.
Thanks for dressing down the Blazers, they certainly had it coming after embarrassing your glamor squad yet again in the Rose Garden. Back to your tanning bed, your self help books and your cilantro flavored prozac and viagra cocktail you yuppie ditto-head.
Hugs and kisses,
Portland
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
by pxilpooshr on Mar 14, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Good stuff
rec’d
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 14, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah it's just a pointless rant.
It’s like beating up the rich guy at the bar. It gives him a reason to act indignant and it doesn’t help balance your checkbook. I regret it already.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
Don't regret it
savor it. These kinds of rants don’t come around too often.
"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas
by RipCity4Life on Mar 15, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
You should e-mail it to him
Just for the reaction article he’d post hours later
by Se Hace La Vista Gorda on Mar 15, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Congrats on your guys’ seven game winning streak in Portland. We are all so impressed! Maybe you guys could hang a banner that commemorates the streak right next to your Division, Conference and your ONE Championship banner. Unfortunately for you guys, that is all Portland has ever really been, just a “cute little story”. Once again Congrats!
You join BE, insult the Blazers, credit the Blazers for a good win, then start insulting us again.
...
All I am saying is that if you beat the Lakers in the playoffs, you might get alot more respect. So far you have beat the Lakers in Portland in regular season games. That will only get you so much respect. People aren’t going to bow down to the blazers just because they have won seven home games in a row. No insult was intended, I just see things the way they are.
What do the Lakers need to do to get respect?
Everyone thinks they’re a great team with a jerk coach and a fan base full of wannabes and posers. No one respects the Lakers or their fans.
I'm not sure you do see things the way they are
In fact, you’re deluded. We’re happy about a win. Yep, you keep reminding us of it’s insignificance. What you don’t understand is that it’s OK to be happy about beating the L*kers. We like it. If nothing else, you should take that as a compliment. It obviously means they’re a very good team. People still talked about beating LA a few years ago when they weren’t that great, but it was nothing like it is now.
We don’t see this as an indication that we’re the greatest team in the history of basketball. We’re just happy about it. It’s a series of wins. It’s no championship, it’s no conference title, it’s no playoff win. We never said or indicated it was. What we did say is that the Blazers kicked the snot out of a team we hate primarily because of its fan base. It’s a pretty common theme. In any case, L* fans noticed. It was good for us. Now, you can make excuses.
L* fans remind me of the jock that constantly seeks confirmation of his awesomeness, and when another person gets some attention, he throws whatever insults he can. Congratulations L*, once again you made an entire city look like douche bags.
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Don’t let me stop you from celebrating. It’s fine with me, I actually like the fact that we are hated being Laker fans. It makes it more enjoyable when we win. But alot of Blazer fans celebrate like the regular season means so much, when it doesn’t really mean anything. For example: The Lakers season last year meant absolutely nothing since they lost in the Finals. It might sound brutal but that’s just how it is! As far as excuses, I have not made any about the losses the Lakers have had in Portland. We have gotten our butts kicked almost every single time in Portland, so I don’t know about the excuses your speaking about. Also I haven’t made L.A. look like anything. Your use of words like “douche bags” speaks to your immaturity, and will stop you from getting respect from alot of people, not just me. Your not making Blazer fans sound intelligent. Good Day!
Enjoy the fresh air while your in here.
Cause we know your not getting any in L.A. through all the smog, or is it the smugness? Leave it to a Lakers fan to get an account on here specifically to talk about how insignificant a win was. Ohh wait, if it was so small and cute why would you put time into getting an account on here and go off on several rants? Someone sounds bitter, that’s ok we forgive you, this must be the only good thing you have going cause you constantly try reminding people of how good you guys are, like having a good basketball team somehow makes you a good person. Sweet its a basketball game, all that winning has really gone to your head. Blazers fans are just pumped we have a team we can be proud of and enjoy the game for what it is, just that a game. Sounds like you have lost touch with reality down in L.A., L.A. land bud.
Give me some examples of where I haven’t been factually correct and I will start to listen to your jokes! Also, I don’t live in L.A. I am right in your back yard kids.
do you happen to be that dude who wore the homemade kobe shirt
the one that said, “TOO GOOD TO HATE” with a backwards pic of kobe on it
I Blazersedge daily, nightly and ever so rightly.
Ofcourse not. As a Laker fan, even I think that guy looks like a tool. Your better than that Claire as Mark Jackson would say.
Ahh...
the classic moron.
The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.
Kings fan
by dyshooter182 on Mar 16, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Why write a LENGTHY article....
insisting there is no rivalry? For a team that according to the writer is barely a blip on the screen, it seems like the Blazers are taking a lot of space in the writer’s head and his newspaper.
We'd better get used to it.
Notice how hate articles about the Blazers are proliferating? It’s really our fault. Sportswriters look at the thousands of Blazer fans on BE and can’t resist tapping into that market. Blazers are to sportswriters like pork is to politicians.
O-Live commenters and the same people who post on Espn
dont help. its usually something akin to this
“ZOMG, the BLAZERS are the best team ever, wait until Oden gets back, we are gonna we 12 championships in a row. All your teams suck. Blazers will never lose again. Go ’Zers!”
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Mar 16, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
"Andrew Bynum as the center of Oden's generation"
That’s funny. I could have sworn Dwight Howard is the center of Bynum’s generation so far.
Don't confuse him with the facts.
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Mar 15, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
We can agree the Miles e-mail was a bad idea and could have led to a lawsuit, but what's the basis for that?
The bad scenario might have been Miles countersuing and winding up owning the team. (Or maybe that would have been good for everyone but Allen.)
About as likely as a Blazers fan writing an angry letter to his editor and actually getting him fired. (Or maybe that would have been good for everyone but Heisler.)
Pretty arrogant article. I think he feuded with Bill Simmons over Kobe’s character before. Canzano, you are next. How was that with the pot and the kettle… :)
I love how faker fans/writers pretend the team doesn't care about losing here.
Yet Phil and bean seem to think differently. Yeah, they come here and lose on purpose because they don’t care when they play us. Right.
Get used to it Blazers fans
People are noticing that the Blazers have a cult like internet following and bashing or praising the Blazers will get an author way more hits than it would if he or she wrote about their own team. It’s only going to get worse because it’s easier to bash that praise.
Beyond that, he wrote a really petty article. It’s like telling someone you don’t like their shoes and they tell you your fat, poorly dressed, and unloved. The best thing to to with LA Trolls is ignore them.
by tominhawaii on Mar 15, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
well a few things on your points
1) while i do see the stereotype of Los Angelenos as two dimensional, plastic, fake, and superficial as obvious, like most places on earth there is a deep complexity in groups and their histories. Like most places Los Angeles has a glut of working class people who work hard day in and day out. The are also is extremely multicultural, with over 50 percent of the city being Mexican and Mexican-American. Many of whom are lakers fans that never make it to the staples center or sit to high up to be seen. To me the idea that lakers fans are all one type and are “faker” fans, while no doubt true of many, is probably an easy way to gloss over the complexity that most places have. People watch the lakers all over the southland, even in the deeply working class inland empire, valley’s and not simply the affluent west side.
2) I think that mostly you are right that lakers fans and writers are trying to trivialize the rivalry with portland. Its clear from the quotes from players and coaches that the lakers themselves see the blazers as a serious threat.. that isn’t “arriving” but is already here. I can tell you that any fan that has a little bit of analyst in them realizes the blazer laker thing is for realz and respect what the blazers have done. I think allot of the “blazers are just little 8 year olds trying to play with the 8th graders” stuff is cause allot of lakers fans were honestly unaware of the inability of lakers to win up in portland. I think what most remember is from the shaq/kobe era in which the lakers took playoff victories and kind of block out everything in between. True or not, that is where it is coming from.
3) the thing with bynum and oden is a legit point. Bynum has as much injury questions as oden does so its a joke that laker fans bash on him and call him a bust. But to explain i think there is this feeling that bynum’s injuries were fluke accidents where as oden’s have something to do with some kind of internal structural flaw. There is evidence now that bynum might be the same, if true, so that is a joke to. but thats where it comes from.
4) the big city small city stuff is definetly in this article. and thats not good… one place is not any worse then any other place. people live where they live… leave it at that. just like “little town” covers up allot of complexity of what portland is, the type of people who live there, and the type of fans the blazers have so is reducing L.A. to hollywood and the images of superficiality it omits covers up important complexity.
W3rd
1) Aztlán rise up and root for the Clippers.
2) So we agree.
3) Internal structural flaw? Like a crack in his dilithium containment core? A fissure in his adamantium skeleton? Man, being seven foot tall is a structural flaw.
4) It’s the Hollywood attitude that’s pissing on us and so they get it back in the chops. If you don’t identify, don’t take offense.
"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy
That was bad
very…..very….bad. If we are such a non factor, why does he have to make laker fans feel better by talking shit about our team?
Karma
oooh I'm tellin!
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
I agree that the Portland-LA thing is silly, but that's a poorly written article by a guy apparently in love with himself
Blazer Fan
The Lakers just don't have any class
I remember last year when we beat them for the second time in Portland and K*be said in his after the game interview, “at least we didn’t get beat by a playoff team.” Then this year the only thing we heard after the game was L*kers players saying “We need to prepare for all teams like we prepare for the Celtics or the Cavs.” We all know they were prepared for that game. They just act like babies when they don’t win.
Then look at a team that has a lot of class like the San Antonio Spurs. When they came to Portland and got blown out they had nothing but praise for how well the Blazers played and you saw Tim after the game shaking people hands and being nice. The players admitted they didn’t play hard enough to win. They didn’t leave the locker room early and go sit in the back of the player’s bus and mope.
The Lakers team might not say there is a rivalry but K*be knows and they were prepared for that game. They just need to take their beating and go home.
When we get blown out by teams on the road we don’t give offhanded comments, we just move on.
There are a lot of reasons why I dislike the Lakers organization and if the people of LA don’t feel there is a rivalry we’ll just keep beating them until they do.
And people say Steve Blake isn’t tough.
by Thadius on Mar 16, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec!
I hate to say I could possibly root for the Spurs, but if it’s them vs Lakers in the WCF I definitely will. Mainly because I want to see what Kobe worshippers say when he never ever wins a title without Shaq.
And for those who think that Kobe even equals Lebron, let’s look.
1. Give Dwight Howard to Cleveland. How much trouble do you think the Cavs would have winning every title for the next 5 years? Answer: None. Kobe only managed 3 with Shaq, mainly because he lost against the Pistons by himself.
2. Let’s look at Kobe vs Lebron after 5 years.
Kobe: 6178 Points, 1141 assists, 1453 rebounds, 415 steals, 218 blocks.
Lebron: 10689 points, 2572 assists, 2694 rebounds, 693 steals, 312 blocks.
“But but, that’s not fair! Kobe was injured a lot and played less games than Lebron!”
Okay fine, here are per game numbers over the 5 year span.
Kobe: 18.5ppg, 3.4apg, 4.4rpg, 1.2spg, 0.65bpg.
Lebron: 27.3ppg, 6.6apg, 6.9rpg, 1.8spg, 0.80bpg.
“But but, that’s not fair! Kobe played a lot less minutes than Lebron!”
Oh, I’m supposed to ignore that Kobe wasn’t NBA ready and Lebron was? Fine, here are per/36 minute stats.
Kobe: 20.8p, 3.8a, 5.0r, 1.4s, 0.74b
Lebron: 23.9p, 5.8a, 6.0r, 1.5s, 0.68b
It gets a little closer, but Lebron still wins easily. Also, it’s not Lebron’s fault that Kobe wasn’t good enough to make an impact in his first few years. Then there is the issue of FG. They both sucked with .417 their rookie years. Since then Lebron has been between .472 and .489. Kobe has been between .428 and .469. (Wait you mean Kobe’s best ever FG is worse than Lebron’s worst post rookie year? Crazy!)
Was this Kobe vs LBJ rant called for? Not really, but it’s always fun to laugh at LA fans who compare the two.
Ehh its Heisler
no one respects him here either. you shouldnt
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
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