2009 Draft and KP's Magic
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
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PrintThe latest stretch of Blazers Basketball has been very impressive from our developing Small Forwards, Nic Batum and Travis Outlaw. Nic Batum has shown tons of poise and hustle as the 19 year old was thrown into the starting line-up when incumbent starter Martell Webster went down with the injury. Most Portland fans are very impressed with Batum's contributions defensively and more increasingly on the offensive end. Not only has Batum showed a knack for being a solid on-ball defender, but he is great in help defense as well. Travis Outlaw has recently shown great signs of consistency in both his shot choices and his on-ball defense. That late 4th quater steal on Jason Kidd could have been the key to winning that Dallas game. That is on-ball defense that I can live with! Plus, we haven't even been able to see Martell, which is in all liklihood our most talented small forward option on both ends of the floor. It will be nice for Nate and KP to have all three of those guys in the fold for next season, or the ability to use one of them as trade bait.
My point in talking up the Small Forwards is that I don't see SF as the Blazers greatest need that should be addressed via the draft. Portland is going to have something like the #22 pick to the #25 pick in the 2009 NBA draft. While this pick could be enough to land experienced college PG's like Darren Collison or Ty Lawson, it seems the best direction to go would be to start adding talent and youth to the front court again.
I am a big Oden believer. The 14points/10 rebounds that he puts out when not in foul trouble is a big sign of things to come from him, and I am not concerned about his CAREER because of this seasons knick knack injuries. I am also a huge fan of Joel Pryzbilla and the stud-gamer LaMarcus Aldridge. But with the Channing Frye contract expiriing, and the space opening up from Michael Ruffin, Shavlik Randolph not guaranteed a spot, I would like to see Portland make a move for a PF or C in the 2009 draft. Of course I don't anticipate KP just waiting to see who falls to them, but with 3 2nd round picks and the #24ish pick (not to mention Sergio as trade bait) I can see KP manuevering to get a player he targets as low as the low-teens.
In my research on draft websites like www.nbadraft.net, www.draftexpress.com, and ESPN's NBA draft head quarters here are the PF's and C's that are ranked the highest on ESPN's top 100 draft board.
- Blake Griffin PF, 6’10” 245lb. Age 19, Oklahoma #1
- Greg Monroe PF, 6’11” 250lb. Age 18, Georgetown #3
- Jordan Hill PG, 6’9” 215lb. Age 21, Arizona #5
- Hasheem Thabeet C, 7’3” 265lb. Age 22, Connecticut #8
- Cole Aldrich C, 6’11” 245lb. Age 20, Kansas #13
- DeJuan Blair PF, 6’7” 250lb. Age 19, Pittsburg #15
- James Johnson PF, 6’8” 235lb. Age 22, Wake Forrest #16
- BJ Mullins C, 7’1” 260lb. Age 20, Ohio State #17
- Earl Clark PF, 6’9” 200lb. Age 21, Louisville #18
- Jerome Jordan C, 7’0” 235lb. Age 22, Tulsa #20
- DaJuan Summers PF, 6’8” 225lb. Age21, Georgetown #25
- Donatas Motiejunas PF, 7’0” 215lb. Age18, Lithuania #27
- Pattrick Patterson PF, 6’8” 245lb. Age 19, Kentucky #28
- Craig Brackens PF, 6’10” 230lb. Age 21, Iowa St. #31
- Tyler Hansboro PF, 6’9” 250lb. Age 23, North Carolina #33
- Damion James PF, 6’7” 230lb. Age 21, Texas #37
- Michael Washington PF, 6’10”225lb. Age 22, Arkansas
- AJ Ogilvy C, 6’10” 250lb. Age 20, Vanderbilt
- Jeff Pendergraph PF, 6’9” 230lb. Age 21, Arizona St.
- Taj Gibson PF, 6’9” 230lb. Age 22, USC
- Josh Heytvelt PF, 6’11” 240lbs. Age 22, Gonzaga
I figured I would open up this discussion BEFORE the NCAA Tourney so Blazers Fans know which prospects to watch so we can further debate this topic.
Who do you like?
What position do you think KP & Co. should target in the 2009 Draft?
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NO DRAFT SPEAKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..
NO NO NO we are NOT going there! NOT YET
In case you haven’t noticed.. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAYOFF RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please no more at least till the season is actually over…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Mar 13, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
says the guy with "draft dejuan blair" in his signiture
;)
by jksnake99 on Mar 13, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a subtle message
I’m definitely focused on the playoff race… but yes, I do have an affinity for Dejuan Blair.
draft dejuan blair
Are you implying that all humans have affinities for beasts?
Why do you have an affinity for beasts?
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
you wouldn't say that to her face
you shouldn’t say it on here
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by HurraKane212 on Mar 13, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I would...
The bottom line is that it is BUSH LEAGUE to go on any persons post, be the first post and try to fire-bomb the conversation. That is the weakest thing any blogger can do on this website… and I had a chance to say to someones face I would. I am being aggregiously aggressive, I am saying that her Bush League move sucks… therefore she sucks. BlazersEdger isn’t about personal attacks, I dig that, but what Sophia was doing to this post ultimately is a personal attack. Why even post what she did. It is crapolicious.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This topic is fine
Because, as PDynasty said, the Tourney is upcoming and it’s a good time to focus on a few players who could help us.
I can’t say I agree with Sophia-bashing, but I also don’t agree with the brow-beating that goes on here sometimes. If you don’t want to talk about it, don’t. Ignore the Topic altogether. I prefer “FIRST” posts to downer first posts.
All we need now is for one of the Pre-Teenies to chastise PD for grammar and suggest he move this to the Junk Drawer, all within 5 seconds of it being posted.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Mar 13, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
She said "please"
It’s not like she turned to personal attacks like other people. Everyone needs to lighten up. I’d like to know how Sophia “ruined” a post with her comment since it went on to get 118 more comments. Her comment is just as valid as anyone elses here. She’s focused on this season and is not ready to write it off and move onto the draft, like we have at this time in the past five years.
while saying it "sucks" and is "bush league" wasn't the best
it still hijacked the conversation. This guy wanted to talk about draft prospects, and someone decided change the conversation to whether or not it’s appropriate to talk about the draft. Write your own fanpost if you don’t think people should talk about something.
Out of sheer grit and determination this post got 118 comments, but the first 30 are a back and forth about an unrelated comment.
that’s all.
I guess I can see your point
I just see it as a difference between fans of the team and going to the playoffs in the hopes of one day winning a championship, and fans that are giving up on this season and moving onto the draft because they don’t really care about watching games or supporting the team. It’s no biggy though, fans of just the draft and trades are still fans of the Blazers. They just have different priories.
I know it’s not as simply as that and some fans of just the draft and trades might actually want the Blazers to win a championship, I just don’t believe it in my heart because championship teams normally don’t have the capabilities to make big draft moves or huge trades. I guess it is kind of like NASCAR fans. Some follow it to watch racing and others follow it to watch crashes.
That's silly.
I’m pretty sure Kevin Pritchard is the biggest draft day fan ever. So I guess that means he obviously doesn’t care about the rest of the season.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I sometimes question KP's fandom
Are you following me camera guy? That's why I don't do 360 dunks anymore.
Did portwand Dynusty get his widdle feelings hurt?
Grow a pair. Hey, I liked your post. Sophia, who you know from being on here as long as you have, is a strait shooter and she shot strait. It just happened to be the first post, what’s she supposed to do, wait and return later? She makes a valid point but I can agree with her point AND yours at the same time. Most of us would read her comment, acknowledge it and keep reading and commenting if we were interested in the subject, which for me, as I don’t watch college hoops, I very much was. But to say Sophia Sucks is below bush league… it’s George Bush League. And I’m not apologizing for calling you a baboon’s butt (which I did then erased) until you do likewise to her. (Though admittedly she will probably not return to this post as she’s stated her point and moved on.) Still it’s very offensive and I think if you think about it awhile you’ll realize you could have handled your frustration better or used her BE handle and not her actual name.
by Blazersaurus on Mar 14, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
No politics...
I have a sneaking belief you are so not qualified
by swg777 on Mar 14, 2009 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I´m happy nobody talks about Spanish politics.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Good grief
Don’t get me started on Pedro Solbes.
Are you following me camera guy? That's why I don't do 360 dunks anymore.
yes, my feewings were a widdle huwrt...
But I got over it because I was able to air my disappointment in another BE blogger right here on my forum. And, I got enough backup from other BlazersEdgers to show that I wasn’t totally out of line with my POINT.
True, I wasn’t very tactful… but then again, I have never been accused of having lots of Tact or Grace (that is a long running inside joke about me from my college years, LOL) and I wrote what I wrote out of frusteration that a poster, especially one on here with as much history as BlazersFan1/Sophia would be so ANTI-ettiquette with her post. Sorry Sophia, for disrespecting you.
But, I am not sorry that I breached the subject of PROPER BE ETTIQUETTE. No matter where on the post that Sophia’s perspective on this would have gone, it would have been the wrong place to put ‘em. If you don’t like the topic, move on or make your post discussing timing and what not. Don’t firebomb someone else’s work. It took me time to compile that list of PF’s and Centers…
I do agree that THE TIME to follow the team we have NOW and what our team is doing NOW is very important. I was the one who wrote the post a few weeks back about NO MORE discussing Trades or Oden’s injury concerns UNTIL the season is over. We are in a playoff hunt, we should be supporting the team and following timely topics. But to reiderate THIS POST, March Madness is upon us, and if we don’t know which players to pay attention to NOW when they are in the spot light and WE actually can evaluate these players with our own eyes, all we will be able to go off come draft time is the faulted views of the media pundits and their opinions. I am not about that at all. So yeah, I took offense when a respected poster firebombed my post which I believe is relevant and timely.
I am like Joel Pryzbilla, I fight back…. I am not like Travis Outlaw and ask politely about things.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And, I get Sophia's taregeted point...
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/3/5/782131/prove-it-black-and-red-loy
This is the fanpost I wrote about focusing on the NOW and not wasting time with the untimely or time-irrelevant subjects like trades now after the deadline or continuting the negative nelly campaign about Oden potentially being a bust.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, who was that guy that high fived himself at the free throw line???
Superman wears Tyler Hansbrough underwear. - JTDuck22
by maid tu rek on Mar 14, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
probably that dude Portland Dynasty...
sounds excatly like something he would do.
Oh wait that is me!
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
High Five Myself....
…and the RG goes crazy.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's fine to talk about the draft
The post is clearly titled, which is appreciated. Should it not be anyone’s cup of tea, just move on to another post.
—Dave
No Draft Speak? NCAA tourney is at our door step...
The point is that here is a list, hand delivered to the BlazersEdgers as to which teams to watch in the upcoming tournament and what names to pay attention to when you are skipping work, hanging at On Deck drinking beers and watching the field of 64 roll down to 1… or at least that is my plan.
If you are interested in 1.) Filling out a Bracket and watching a few games and 2.) the Blazers continued success under this regime, them why not look at this list of potential front court help and pay attention to these players and know who they are so when it is time for ALL THE DRAFT talk, we can be more informed that simply reading OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS.
We are in the middle of a playoff race, BlazerFan1, but we are also coming up on one of the greatest sporting events of the year: Bracket Time. This is about formulating opinons of our own…. and here is a list of players to watch.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions
I agree, NCAA tourney is here. Great time to talk prospects
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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Don't worry dude !
You’ll get over it. It’s tourney time and it’s ok to
check out the next crop !
It's GO time !
It's fine
I actually LOVE talking college prospects/hoops at any point on the calendar, especially March when we can see these guys on the big stage. I didn’t agree with what Sophia posted or your initial response – don’t salt another person’s post, but at the same time there shouldn’t be personal attacks. My theory is a lot of posters here (myself included) went over the edge due to the amount of Oden injury/bust/Durant threads, so anything that isn’t focused on the present is drawing some ire. On to the discussion below
I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52
by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Joel Freeman?
I personally feel we might be able to get by with Travis as our backup PF while Joel gets used to the NBA and try and trade for a Point guard that can defend!
I don’t know if anymore youth is what this team needs, I’d say time and experience (this includes trading for someone with experience)
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
I think there is a limit on how many
dudes named Joel you can have on one team.
In all seriousness, if he’s lighting up Europe like people say he is, then Portland should bring him over this summer and see how he does. I think I read that he’s pretty aggressive and I think that’s something Portland lacks. I’d like to see some more players who can and are willing to attack the basket.
Good bet that Freeland will be over for a look see come Summer
Much like Nics situation last year.I would be fine with Joel spending half the season in Idaho cause if not he will be locked up in Euroland for at least 2 or 3 years
by southern oregon on Mar 14, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
By all accounts
He’s a few years away, even after doing very well in the EuroLeagues.
He’ll be here, but he’s gonna be Shavlik-ish for a while.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Mar 13, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Joel eats milquetoast like all pasty british euros.
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
DeJuan Blair is a BEAST...
and his 7’2" Reach makes him much bigger than his 6’7" frame…. But other than D.Blair these are 6 that I am particularly interested to see how they do in the tourney…
1. Cole Aldrich C, 6’11" 245lb. Age 20, Kansas #13
2. BJ Mullins C, 7’1" 260lb. Age 20, Ohio State #17
3. Jerome Jordan C, 7’0" 235lb. Age 22, Tulsa #20
4. Craig Brackens PF, 6’10" 230lb. Age 21, Iowa St. #31
5. Michael Washington PF, 6’10"225lb. Age 22, Arkansas
6. AJ Ogilvy C, 6’10" 250lb. Age 20, Vanderbilt
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Cole Aldrich has some game, but
how well do you think it would translate to the NBA? He looks a little slow on the court.
Aldrich is the #8 pick in the 2010 moch, via DX
we got no shot.
BJ Mullins
didn’t impress me much when I watched OSU-MSU today, but I don’t know anything about anything.
I’d rather Portland brought over Freeland or tried to steal a Millsap or Landry type.
I dunno... I've been a Blair fan forever
co-pilots?
draft dejuan blair
by Cablinasian on Mar 13, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
If its forever I guess I have to give it up.
Last year he had some issues. This year since game one I’ve hearted the heck out of him. I mentioned him on this board repeatedly in late November early December and no one said much.
His momma
is the driver boys. Take a seat like everyone else.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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I've liked him all year
He came in to the season in phenomenal shape, which shows he is willing to put in the work he needs to in the summer. Then he’s delivered all year, with my personal favorite Blair game being the destruction of Hasheem Thabeet in the 1st Pitt-U Conn game. It was a thing of beauty, Blair abused him on the block, took him outside, beat him for position, and had him mentally beaten about 10 minutes into the game. He would be a great fit for the Blazers.
I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52
by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice post....
It’s about time for a mock draft sort of thing. I love all the snobs who think they can dictate what people say and when people can say it. This blog is full of people like that.
My money is on a backup PF and a backup PG. I would not object to Darren Collison PG UCLA, Dejuan Blair, or Cole Aldrich….
Collison will be this years Mario Chalmer's
Seniors get slept on in the draft these days. I suppose that is good, because Brandon should have been the first pick in 2006.
Hmmm
I don’t think Collison has the same defensive instincts that Chalmers has. just my opinion.
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I don't know
he plays some great on ball defense. Chalmers is nasty on the defensive end (I actually thought KP might have been angling for him with one of the late 1st round slots, but getting Batum was an even better move, so no complaints here). My main questions about Collison are his physical strength and his jumper, he’s pretty much golden everywhere else.
I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52
by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Terrence Williams
Draft him to play point forward. He does too many things amazingly well for us to pass up with our first pick if he does drop. His defense, passing & rebounding really amaze me. His 3 ball has been inconsistent the previous 3 years but since Pitino worked with him on his form I think he will come around. Take a look at the WVU game last week to see what I am talking about.
Heck, with all our 2nds I would even move up.
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Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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My only problem with Williams
being the pick is where would he play? Brandon and Rudy have the 2 on lock, and between Nic, TO, and Martell (when he gets healthy) the 3 has a glut of talent. Williams being the pick would tell me that either he or one of the other 3s would be on the move, maybe even on draft day. He will be a very solid pro
I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52
by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Point Guard!
He has shown me all the passing & defensive skills neccesary for the position. But has the body of a small forward, “Point Forward” was used in the Bulls championship multiple times. He can defend the 1-3 with great skill & a real nose for the ball.
I have watched him develop his game over the last 3 years & I would love to see him alongside Roy. If anyone watched Louisville throughout this season & most recently the big east tourney I don’t see why he can’t play Point Forward like Joe Johnson or LeBron does sometimes.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Draft Terrence Williams
Win Championship !
who else finds it funny that Jordan Hill is listed as a point guard?
"There are a few teams you have to watch out for in the fourth quarter."
"Yeah, but Portland definitely is not one of them."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters at the end of the third quarter with the Hornets leading 74-59. Portland later ends up winning 97-89.
"They don't mind him shooting that shot at all. Rudy Fernandez is not that great of a 3pt shooter."
-New Orleans Hornets broadcasters right after a Rudy Fernandez missed 3pter. Rudy Fernandez finished the game with three 3pters on six attempts.
Typo...
I only listed propects that are Power Forwards or Centers… but because I typed it by hand there was bound to be a type… Jordan Hill is definitely a PF not a PG.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Point forward.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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We should draft Greg Monroe
only so when both Gregs are in the game I can call them the G-Unit.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
Monroe is averaging
6.6 rebounds in 31 minutes. That’s terrible. He’s a center.
He is a PF.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !
It does
when you see everyone elses rebound numbers
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I really don't care
I want Terrence Williams.
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Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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I also like Patrick Patterson
but I think he’ll stay another year.
I think DeJuan Blair is gone by our pick sans KP majik. If Patterson comes out, I’d like to have him. He’s about 6’8", very athletic, good rebounder, high fg%. He’s the type that would be good in the 2nd unit but would not be good enough to challenge LMA’s spot/disrupt chemistry/ leave in free agency.
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+1
Going into the year I thought Patterson and Hansbrough would be good targets. Patterson has, imo, vaulted way above Hansbrough as a pro prospect, and if we don’t land Blair, he would be my next target. Has he said he’s leaning toward staying?
I believe in Greg Oden. To all the haters - get down with the program or stay off the wagon for all time. #52
by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Another +1
I am a big fan of his toughness and grit. A Buck Williams sort of lunch-pail guy. Also, ona very inconsistent team, he was always consistent
by The Graduate on Mar 15, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Need: Lunch-Pail Power Forward/Center back-up
great description ‘The Graduate’.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way we get DuJaun is by trading.
People are starting to notice him. He will likely go lottery at this point. I was hoping he would stay a bit lower. If he can stay in shape he’s going to be a beast on boards.. Rebounders like him who know how to use their bodies and not just height translate well into the NBA. Imagine having Greg, Joel and Blair with 1 or 2 of them on the court at all times. We’d become the undisputed best rebounding team in the league. One can dream.
I pray we stay far away from Tyler Hansbrough
We get almost all of our draft picks through trading
Greg Oden is the only player we have who we drafted with our own pick.
Even if Blair is a late lottery pick, he would still be a steal. I hope KP finds a way to get him.
Trivia of the game today, in fact
only 2 players on our roster were technically drafted by us due to the stupid NBA drafting rules.
Yeah I know, but it's going to be a bit harder this time.
We wont have our own lottery pick to deal. I’m not sure what we have to give up for a lottery pick that would be a good deal for us, unless some desperate team just wants some depth. DeJaun shouldn’t be TOO hard to get though. I’m hoping he falls short of lottery and KP comes up with a good deal to snag him.
And for the record
If we have to deal with a lottery team to get DeJaun it’s probably not worth it. But mid to late first round would be worth taking a shot on him I think. He’d be a great back up to LMA.
Because of his hype lately some lottery team might bite, and in that case we should forget it as they will want too much.
We have $$
If we are willing to use our cap space or trade exception to take back a bad contract I think a lot of teams would be willing to trade their picks to us. Especially given how the economy is doing right now.
I like Blair.. Or if there is a sleeper PG somewhere that can do what we need a championship PG
to do. Defend, hit open shots, and move the ball/limit turnovers..
We dont need a star PG with the talent we already have, but we need a guy who can hit the spot up jumpers or threes… set the offense up and move the ball..and most importantly play some damn good defense..
We dont have a PG on the roster capable of these things…
Darren Collison
can do all those things. Trouble is, he supposedly only weighs 165 pounds; he’s 6’1" though, so he’s not too short. Last UCLA game I watched, however, he looked more like 180 and not nearly as skinny as his DX pic. They have him going one slot ahead of where we are picking—one of our second rounders could probably move us up a slot or two. He’s my pick.
I think we should try to adress the PG position through trades instead of though the draft
Unless we can get someone like Rubio, any PG we draft probably won’t be a significantly better prospect than Bayless. Drafting another PG would just make the logjam we already have there worse, and we still wouldn’t have a player who we could confidently say is the starting PG of the future.
Sergio should be done. I think his time in Portland is winding down.
And Blake can be moved as well. Can Collison really shoot it? Ive never thought of him as a guy who could be relied on to nail shots from the perimeter. Plus he was totally locked up and then abused on defense by Derrick Rose last yr
Good points
I like Collison, but these are my concerns about him as well.
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by blazeraddict on Mar 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless is talented enough to fill those PG needs...
Hit open jumpers or three’s, drive the lane and finish with an And-1, get to the free-throw line in clutch scenario’s, be a threat in the open court, move the ball and be a hardcore competitor…
It is clear that Jerryd Bayless needs to work on his ball-handling to limit turnovers, work more on the pick-N-roll, improve his chemistry with Roy and Aldridge, and continue working on improving his defense. But as far as talent and build, and attitude/approach to the game…. I couldn’t be more excited about another player. JB is a solidly built 6’3" with definite top-level athleticism. No way do I think that Collison or Lawson or even Jennings would be a better NBA player than Jerryd Bayless. Ricky Rubio might be. I don’tknow. But Bayless surely fits bill as far as I’m concerned. … In the mean time, I am good with having Blake in the line-up while JB develops.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He is talented enough
I just want him to show the mental fortitude. I mean… Westbrook took those minutes from Earl Watson who had been a Blake-type role player for Seattle. Why hasn’t he took them? Because he is too aggressive & makes very poor decisions on offense so far.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
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You said this in another thread.
He’s a rookie !!! Give him some time !
P.S. – Nate Robinson isn’t getting anywhere near my
Blazers !!!! No way, no how !!
It's GO time !
what the... huh?
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
by maid tu rek on Mar 14, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on what
Your opinion?
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like pretty much everything said in this thread
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
by maid tu rek on Mar 14, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
But I try to avoid making statements as though they are a matter of fact.
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Did you hear about the guy who got the DUI?
According to a news story I heard on SNL’s weekend update: some dude recently was arrested for a DUII. His drunkness told the arresting officer that the officer had NO JURISDICTION over him because the guy himself was his own sovereign nation….. LOL. Then in International News: The drunk nation was arrested and thrown in the drunk tank.
Everything I might say IS matter of fact in the sovereign nation of ME. Just a thought I wanted to share….
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A few prospects to watch
Terrence Williams from Louisville has impressed me. Not a consistent shooter, but his defense really impressed me & when he does get taken out of the game(His shots arent dropping) he is still an amazing passer/rebounder. Point forward anyone?
Samardo Samuels from Louisville has showed the potential to make a great NBA posts one day. Think Ronny Turiaf.
Dante Cunningham from Villanova, love the completeness of his offensive game.
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His amazing post defense & uncanny ability to block shots.
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Jennings
Seems to be a hype machine. I would rather have Johnnie Flynn of the Orange. BTW I am terrified that Denver drafts him as Billups replacement/having him dishing fellow Orange Carmello the ball.
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We need a PG who can shoot and defend...
We dont need a franchise type guy. We have enough offensive pieces that we just need to focus on bringing in a guy who can hit the open shot (like Blake) and defend the heck out of the ball (unlike Blake)
I saw some euro guys talking about Jennings earlier this year,
and they were saying with the differences in the two leagues, that Brandon was actually doing quite well. He’s young and Euro teams usually opt for experience over raw talent so that the minutes he’s getting and the numbers he’s producing are actually impressive. The assumption is that the talent level is greater there then in collage ball, so he shouldn’t stand out as much.
I don’t follow international ball so I have no idea how to grade that assesment. Maybe they’re trying to be positive to encerage US ballers to keep making the trip. What would you say about that Norsk?
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
I saw some euro guys talking about Jennings earlier this year,
and they were saying with the differences in the two leagues, that Brandon was actually doing quite well. He’s young and Euro teams usually opt for experience over raw talent so that the minutes he’s getting and the numbers he’s producing are actually impressive. The assumption is that the talent level is greater there then in collage ball, so he shouldn’t stand out as much.
I don’t follow international ball so I have no idea how to grade that assesment. Maybe they’re trying to be positive to encerage US ballers to keep making the trip. What would you say about that Norsk?
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
I'd take Jennings
just based on “gunnin’ for that #1 spot”. He was absolutely sick in that game.
I love him.
I think Europe has probably helped him bunch. Apparently the coach will have them spend hours and hours only working on defense. That’s probably not something he would have got in college. The fact that he can spend all his time working on basketball has probably made him better. He destroyed Carmelo’s scoring record at Oak Hill so we already know he can score.(he also has incredible court vision)
If the defensive end of his game comes around Brandon Jennings could be amazing. I would take him over Bayless in a second.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Pattrick Pattersons NBA comparison: Buck Williams?
I was reading up on some prospects and I thought this would stir some juices in Blazerland. At 6’8" with a 7’1" wingspan and a man-child build, a young Buck Williams type forward would be a nice prospect to keep our eyes on…. here is his profile:
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions
I have had fun watching him at Kentucky.
Certainly an option. But he could be lottery/top 10 possibly if he stays another year in college.
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Yep, he is my choice...
even over Blair.
by The Graduate on Mar 15, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Backup PF needed
We need a PF who can pick up the slack when Aldridge is out. Oden is not a sure thing offensively, and a team cannot run an offense through Joel.
My #1 choice is an unpopular one: Tyler Hansbrough. He will never be a star, but he should be a solid role player and a guy you can keep on the floor at the end of games. He can score in a variety of ways, has a good jump shot and can get to the line. His toughness is unquestioned and he performs well under pressure.
I see Hansbrough as being a more polished Kurt Rambis type player, providing energy off the bench, sort of an anti-ZBo.
Blair is a nice pick if you can trade up. If not, Hansbrough will be there in the mid twenties.
by Rip City Reign on Mar 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
Hansborough
Will need to go to the right situation. Portland could be that spot, or the Celtics, especially if they lose Powe.
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Hansbrough
is NOT an NBA player.
No one would give two flips about that guy if he were black.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
That has nothing to do with it
His intensity in rebounding is what sets him apart, but his offensive game leaves something to be desired.
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Yeah Oden is kind of weak
I mean he only shoots 57% from the field. And draws constant double teams.
I still wish
We could have landed Marc Gasol.
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I think people will be very happy that we have Oden next year
Let him get all his athleticism back and get used to the speed of the NBA and I think he will be exactly what we need. Marc Gasol has done pretty well numbers wise recently. I haven’t had a chance to watch him play though.
We could've
but thank God we took McRoberts.
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OI
That one hurts the heart. Wonder if we could pry him away from Memphis.
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With all our draft picks...
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not a chance, lolol
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
We are getting a boat load of cash
from RLEC taken off the books. What do you suggest we use it on?
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I agree we've got room to do something nice,
I just don’t think they’ll give up Gasol. The last time they did that, was in a way to get the younger, but in truth, I haven’t been following Memphis, so I have no idea what kind of financial pressure they’re under. Even still, you gotta try and keep Marc if at all possible.
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
We could
Get Ajinca from MJ and the Bobcats probably pretty cheap. He had a bad first year & didn’t get much of an opportunity. I could see him coming here with a fresh start, being able to play on the same team as Nico again. Just a backup C option.
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I could go for some of that
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
by maid tu rek on Mar 14, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Then trade our 2nd's
for Ronny Turiaf & there you have the french connection :)
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He hasn't even made an NBA 3 yet.
He did well in his last season for Hyeres-Toulon shooting a 40% clip from the 3 but he only played 10mpg and averaged .2 3’s per game…
I would love to have him develop behind Pryz & Oden. Maybe by the time Joel retires he can step in as a valuable role player.
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guys who I like
Johnny Flynn has really impressed me recently.
I love Earl Clark, but he’s a SF at the pro level.
Terrence Williams I could enjoy too.
From a PG, I guess I would like a guy who can really play D with their feet and shut down penetration. Venoy Overton IMO is my perfect PG defensive guy; he really positions well, reads passing lanes well, and has lightning fast hands. He’s not going NBA this year, but I don’t know off the top of my head any comparable guys.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
i have a feeling we wont be using our draft pick
and i also have a feeling that the CBA will be changed within the next 2 seasons, and college players will only be allowed to come out after 2 seasons, not 1 as it currently is.
Jerome Jordan - Tulsa
I love his defensive potential as a shot blocker.
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& rebounder
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draft noone
If there was ever a year where I hope KP opts out of the draft, it would be 2009.
that being said, I actually do agree with Sophia, because I’d rather focus on the Blazers doing well right now than speculate about the summer. Too much can change in how players are ranked and where the players position will fall (although 17-22 seems likely?)
But I understand that some people probably want to key in on certain players during March Madness with an eye towards the future…
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Much can change...
but all the more reason for us to keep our eye’s open on these players while they are gonna be on TV. After the tourney it is just gonna be the HYPE machine and media pundits stroking their own ideas as FACT.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
true enough
I try to get into the tourney for its own sake and worry about the ramifications to the draft in the summer..
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I only care about college hoops for PRO ramifications...
Honestly, the only reason I follow college hoops is so that I can know my shizzz when it comes to prospects and the NBA draft. I have no allegences to any big schools, so the tourney doesn’t hit me the same as College-town-homer-fans. All I get is a chance to analyze and forecast what a player CAN become at the next level….
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Future
Watch out for Ty Walker from Wake Forest. He didn’t get much minutes this year, but that WF squad is stacked.
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BPA all the way Jose
Best Player Available. It would be nice to shore up the backup PF position.
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
BPA is a bad calll....
I only say that because that is the mentality of someone just waiting to see who drops to us. An agile-minded KP armed with 3 second rounders plus his first, you can bet he isn’t going to be waiting to see Best Player Available. KP targets players and does what he needs to do to get them.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh man
We passed up Marc Gasol twice in the 2nd round? What was KP smoking after the 1st round?
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His US scouts were probably demanding that they get a pick for all their effort scouting lame NCAA games too ;-)
After KP had already taken Rudy and Petteri. Although he was just a backup it was clear even to casual observers like me that Marc would be efficient after the World Championships in 2006 (77 FG%) with fundamentally sound basketball especially on defense (he e.g. contained the Greeks with “Baby Shaq” Schortsianitis who totally surprised the US guys Howard, Miller, Bosh, Brand, Jamison). And at that time he was still more chubby (nicknamed “Big Marc”), so you could expect him to become much better with improved athleticism. An international scout who watched him for a long time knowing what his more lanky and admittedly more skilled brother could do at a similar age should have been all over getting him. Maybe they were also afraid two Spanish stars potentially not coming over would be too big of a risk, although the likelihood that Marc wanted to follow his brother and had already been “Americanized” in high school was good. Definitely not KP’s proudest moment. Another team would have given up quite a lot to just get his draft rights.
With Joel and Oden he wouldn't get any time.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Now wait a second here
Oden hasn’t shown he can stay healthy(He would have played in every game Greg has missed at least + blowouts he did play in) not to mention, Joel is 30+ now. I hate to say it but we should start searching for his replacement or at least developing a young player to eventually be that guy.
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Joel
turns 30 next season. He’s not “30+”.
Sixty-percent of the time, it works one-hundred percent of the time.
by rudydrops3s on Mar 14, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Still
He will be 30 next season & with Greg’s status we need to make sure we have someone capable to step in at any time. Not just hoping Pryz will last forever & keep having these amazing games(although I pray he does)
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Trying to replace Oden with Marc Gasol is a terrible idea.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Replace? No no no.
Insurance for the center position. But that time passed. Twice in the 2nd round.
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Having Gasol right now for when Joel is gassed would be an amazing idea.
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They wouldn't get enough time.
Oden and Joel split about 24 minutes between them. I doubt Gasol would be happy or productive laying 10-15 minutes a game.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
With the games Oden missed so far
Gasol would have been playing plenty of minutes & eventually took over for Joel as the backup C if/when greg stays healthy.
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Too bad Gasol can't see the future.
There is no way he was coming over as one of the best players in Spain to make less money as a third string center. It would’t have happened. Gasol would still be in Spain making more money and winning MVP awards.
by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 15, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Depth is what we need, that is why we would need a player in the front court...
Yeah, with Oden healthy and ballin’ and veteran tough guy Pryzbilla that a youngster wouldn’t get much playing time. But this is the NBA, injuries happen, and depth throughout our roster would be the goal.
Portland has good depth at other positions due to the versatility of many players who can play multiple positions. But post is the one spot where we likely will need extra help. Espectially if we don’t resign Channing Frye and Michael Ruffin goes like we assume. There is gonna be a need for depth at the post.
If Portland drafts a good young big man and he doesn’t get into the lineup much, that means that Oden and Pryz are healthy and all is well in Blazersland. But that extra big body is what I would like to see.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
trade exception and cash for...
washington’s pick. will be first-fifth.
first? swap for second pick and considerations for rights to griffin.
second? take rubio.
Third? take rubio if available, if not, take monroe.
Fourth? still rubio if available, if not, trade for 2010 1st-er.
fifth? same. pawn harden or thabeet if available on someone looking for arenas2
wiz are up against it financially- 11mil over as it stands, more if the cap recedes as promised. what about serge/outlaw/trade exception/second rounder(s) for jameson/first rounder?
if none of this, rock a swap involving butler. serge. frye. blake (terrapin, district buffs)
wiz are in bad shape capwise, now and for the next two (plus) years- blazers could take on etan, songaila, etc. etc… check out storyteller, sorry, wiz fans.
they’ve got to be in the sights
Try to keep the post about PROSPECTS... not transactions.
Point here is to discuss prospects that may be targeted by KP, not come up with unbelieveable transactions to get into the top 4 picks.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but I actually enjoyed that comment, seams straight to me.
He talked about a possible sinario, what more is there?
Considering many call him a bust and injury prone and never amount to anything. If he plays one more game this regular season, he will have played one more game than any time in bynums career, the one non-playing year excepted. Yet NO ONE in LA complains about Bynum being injury prone, all they ever do is talk about how they can’t wait until he comes back.
I think some of it is that Portland remembers Bowie, and secondly that donkeys always REMIND us of that when they talk trash and it angers us that Oden cant prove them wrong until he is healthy. - GreatOden'sRaven
A defensive guard who can play a little point
(Jrue Holliday, Willie Warren, Tyreke Evans?) Stick them in the D-league if they can’t crack the rotation. Good back-up PF can be had pretty easily in FA, but I do like Blair, plus Blair could play center against most teams. But back-up PF would be the easiest position to add a veteran into the playing rotation, so I kind of like throwing the dice once again at the PG spot.
Joel Freeland=Stud
The guys to focus on in the first round could be Blair (for his Maxsap potential) and Collison (fundamentally sound backup)
KP might get Paul Allen to buy an additional pick if he sees a need, but the draft is not very deep in likely star guys so moving up from say 23 to 16 isn’t that much of an advantage. Maybe take a flyer (literally) on DeRozan who seems to have completely dropped from high school all-star straight outta Compton to college also-ran and hope he turns it around with a little seasoning in the d-league or in Europe. Budinger might be a remote possibility, though I feel like Webster is that type of player and then some.
In the second round, I would expect KP to trade most of the picks again for future picks. Internationals: Maybe take another French kid in Nando De Colo (looked good alongside Parker for France last summer) or Rodrigue Beaubois (who already worked out twice for the Blazers last summer). Omri Caspi might be in our range for the first or second pick there hoping to land another Batum-style prodigy on the wing, although I’m not that high on him and the Blazers likely have seen the two play against each other and might have decided that Nic is just the better one.
Maxsap. I like that. I would add to that and call him a maxsapowe type player.
Would be tremendously helpful to this team.
I think Collison would be great
he’s really a smart player that knows his position. Not often do you find a senior that’s been to the final four 3 times already and still has one more tourney to go. Add to that the fact that he was seen as the best player on a UCLA team last year that now has 3 players starting or contributing big minutes to the NBA this year. Then you add the defense that they’re known for, the fact that he is an offensive threat, and his natural PG skills and I think you got a perfect player for our needs. Only drawback is he seems to get frustrated too easily, but I would kill to see him and Bayless battling it out in practice. Actually, i could see them complimenting each other well.
Another note, after watching the Bruins play this year, I could see us getting someone like Aboya for a backup PF in the second round. He’s all D, knows his role in the team and sticks with it, not someone who’s going to demand minutes, think he should start, or jack up too many shots.
Aboya would be a good
second round pick. However, I wouldn’t want him to be back-up PF. I think he could be used similar to Channing Frye or Ike Diago.
UNC is playing right now against Florida
I’m going to watch me some more Hansbrough (and Lawson). I like his energy, but while he has good fundamentals he just doesn’t strike me as athletic/strong and tall enough to survive on the NBA level among the big men. He is certainly not a SF, and to play PF you have to be at least one or the other. Kevin Love is a better version of him imho.
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Okay, I risk making myself look like an idiot if he becomes a serious NBA player, but I'm going out on a limp: Hansbrough is not good
And I get that impression every time I watch him. He has a big heart, good post moves and a pretty mid-range shot, but being pesky won’t make him more than a role player in the pros at best. He can’t even dominate these guys, or shut them down defensively. Kevin Love is more skilled and athletic. Hansbrough has Darius Songaila and Nick Fazekas written all over him. Imagine this “man” rebounding or getting posted up against guys like Boozer, Millsap, Maxiell, Oden, Shaq. He would be pushed back two feet with every bump. Compare him mentally to Channing and LaMarcus: Much bigger guys with more upper and lower body strength. I think Morty is right: If he was black, nobody would hype him. That’s not racist, it’s marketing.
Also, this game is pretty chaotic, but it indicates that while Hansbrough will be the ACC all-time leading scorer soon this UNC team won’t win the NCAA title this season.
I don't know
I still think he could be a good role player, especially if he landed on a team like Denver when Chris Anderson could show him how to play as an undersized NBA player.
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get a bunch of tattoos and pose when you block a shot?
by roynfernandez on Mar 14, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Anderson
Is a much better PF then Channing.
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that's true
but i still wouldn’t want him on our team
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Probably wouldn't be good for chemistry
but we do need a backup defensive PF imo
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Just never mind all the clutch shot he has made from the PF position in his career.
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I'm talking about this game
He didn’t get Redicks ACC scoring record (by 1 I think), which everyone in the arena was waiting for. He tried to take a bad charge but was called for the foul instead late in the game. Then he flopped, enabling a Florida player to get an open outside shot. And in the final possession, he tried to split the double team with a turnaround and tripped into two other players turning the ball over.
Every team needs a handful of Role Players...
Good Role Players are actually hard to find in the NBA. Most people on this site seem to want All-Stars across the board and one as the sixth man too…. but most GREAT teams have three guys that should be year-in-year-out all-stars surrounded by a blend of experienced roll players and young roll-players. For this Reason, and the fact that Psycho-T (hansborough’s nickname) is likely drafted in the later half of the first round…. I believe that he will be a great pro. In context, he will be drafted by a team who is already playoff bound, and his energy, defense, and solid mid-range shooting will provide that playoff team who drafts him with a nice spark player off the bench. I don’t see Psycho-T ever averaging more than 24 minutes per game, but I do think he will be an effective pro… there ain’t many players who work that hard. And besides his work ethic, he didn’t get to North Carolina off of just being a hustler… he has a 6’9" frame and some game too.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
A big question is: Would he be able to adapt to being "just" a spark player
Right now he gets a lot of touches, the offense flows through him. While I don’t think he will be an outright bust because he will work hard to close holes in his game and has a great motor, I really can’t see a team making him the go-to guy. So when he gets 15 to 20 minutes initially or even less, can he still make those hustle plays against players who are just more athletic and physical than what he is used to when he is not in rhythm, or does he struggle with that role. Today he had problems playing against two guys who are incredibly raw yet just bulkier than him, which is something I have seen several times. On the NBA level he will be faced with guys who are at least like that every other night, plus those players have more experience and are more skilled and quicker (one thing I didn’t mention above is that I also don’t really like the way he runs the floor with or without the ball – too flat footed). When you compare him to our backup guys this year, I think Ike is about his height but much bigger, and Channing is taller and more athletic and has at least his outside game, and even Shav is taller and about as skilled. I think he will find a niche (on the right team), but in a lesser role than what was once predicted for him.
For our needs, I would prefer Freeland (younger, taller, explosive, puts up similar PER in stronger league with limited minutes) and a bulky banger over him.
Freeland > Hansbrough
Freeland only started learning to play basketball 5 years ago and has improved very rapidly. Hansbrough is an older, more experienced player who is basically about as good now as he was when he was a freshman. It makes sense to pick the prospect that is quickly developing over the one who isn’t.
Psycho T stayed in college this long for a reason...
The reason Tyler stayed in college is because HE IS THE MAN and he knows by the last three years of NBA scouting reports that at the next level it is unlikely that he is the GLORY dogg. So I don’t see anything that is going to bother Psycho T from accepting a role of 20 minutes. Sure, he won’t be a double-double player, his minutes won’t permit that, but he can still play solidly in those minutes doing the things he does… adding stats to the “Hustle Board”, adding stats on a +/- basis and producing through energy… there are lots of Loafers in the league. Tyler has skills and energy, and more than decent size. Yeah, he isn’t a Protoype Power Forward, but then again if he was… people would be all over him like a Rasheed Wallace or a LaMarcus Aldridge or a Chris Bosh. Instead, he has a limited upside because he isn’t 6’11" or have a 7’3" reach.
On the NBA level, he will likely get minutes against Second Unit players mostly, which will dampen the differences in the College to Pro game that scouts seem to be so worried about. The problem with any player staying in college is that one year or two years in scouts still see Upside Upside Upside… after that their games start to get Picked Apart, Knit Picked, and Picked again… Hansborogh has clear weaknesess to his game, mainly because we have all watched him so long and we can’t discard certain things as “just being raw”. But there is also a maturity portion to players games that WAY TOO overlooked. Look at our beloved BROY. Roy was passed over by teams looking more at upside that leadership and composure and experience.
Not to say Hansborogh would ever even come close to Roy’s impact, but there are lots of players who are overlooked because they are TOO OLD to have upside, but still prove mad game in the Pro’s. Recently, look at Aaron Brooks, he isn’t an ideal size and played his senior year and slipped to the end of the 1st round despite his college success, but now is providing starter quality game for the Rockets.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 14, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference between Roy or Brooks and Hansbrough
Is that Roy and Brooks both improved a lot during their 4 years in college. Hansbrough, on the other hand, is basically the same player now that he was as a freshman. The problem isn’t so much that he is too old to have upside, it is that he isn’t giving any indication that he will continue improving.
The "Roy" in this draft is James Harden
He could have a good impact on a team with his skill set, even though he is not a veteran of the college game.
A deeper draft prospect who is a "Roy" is PG Eric Maynor...
VA Commonwealth Senior who is averaging 22ppg and 6apg. This guy is a great on-ball defender and has shown his salt in the tourney before. Right now this guy is like 28th on the ESPN big board of Top 100 prospects… but as a Senior, it is unlikely that his stock rise too much because of the NEED for upside among the drafts early picks….
Def:: A “Roy” prospect is a player who is an experienced college player, mostly seniors, who have a well polished and overall game, proven clutch play, and clear NBA potential, but are overlooked, either slightly or heavily, because of their age.
James Harden is a sophomore, but his reputation for having an “old school” style of game is why some think he is a Roy-type prospect.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to understand
He won’t be seeing constant double teams at the next level on a competition team.
Freeland hasn’t shown nearly the effort on rebounds that Hans displayed as a freshman. true story.
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Dallas Lauderdale
From Ohio State, PF. Seems to have good defensive instincts.
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Toney Douglas
From Florida State. Probably my 2nd favorite PG in the country behind Johnny Flynn. He just had one heck ofa game.
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Why don't we
just use our 2nd round picks to get a bruiser and build him behind our PFs right now? We can trade out of the 1st round entirely to save some cap room (remember 1st round picks come with guaranteed money, and the higher the pick, the more $). I feel like the drop off between a guy like Blair and some banger we could get in the 2nd round for a lot less money is very very small. In the 2nd we could also draft one of those point guards and let him develop a little should Sergio be traded.
All in all, I think 2nd round picks would be the way to go in this draft.
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