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ELITE POINT GUARD NEEDED

I've posted something on this before but as the playoffs are getting closer it's become more apparant.  Every playoff team in the west minus the Blazers and Houston has a SOLID and very good point guard. I love Steve Blake but he's not the answer. He's the guy you want coming off the bench that will provide you steady play and leadership while our starting PG rests.  Sergio hopefully will be gone after this season and Bayless still has a lot to learn, not even convinced he's a natural point guard. 

Our weakness at the PG position shows at the defensive end. We can't guard quick PG's (TJ FORD, TONY PARKER, Devin Harris tonight will light us up) or Big guys like (Mr Big Shot, and Derron Williams) give us a tough time as well.  Who do you think is the answer for the Blazers at the PG? A veteran like Andre Miller? A young buck like Romon Sessions? There has to be a guy out there that can help us. In the mean time we'll ride Steve Blake hopefully deep into the playoffs, because the other two guards are going to have a tough time.

PS. For the people who are going to stick up for Sergio please just make a post to support him because defending his bad decision making, terrible jump shot, and pourous soft defence on this post is going to distract the other reader from making informative posts. Thanks.

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Hmmm...

Personally, I think we should sign Chris Paul and Lebron James next off-season… And maybe we could trade for Dwight Howard to backup Aldridge, Oden, and Pryzbilla.

If anyone says that this is unrealistic, please create a new post because your negative response will “distract the other reader from making informative posts.”

Sergio FTW.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Mar 13, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

This is a tired thread and this is just the second comment.

I think it is fairly well known that the Blazers are PG deficient. We are now past the trade deadline, so acquiring another PG is now out of the equation. Portland doesn’t have the cap space to go after an “Elite” point guard and I don’t think this team needs an “Elite” point guard to be an “Elite” team.

Why not write a fanpost on what you would like to see, in terms of growth, from our current three point guards going into the post season/off season in order for them to remain on our championship roster.

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

besides

whatever we need, KP will provide at a lower cost than anyone can reasonably expect. – Elgin

Blazers win BDL 2 on 2 tournament!
Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards

by 22baylor on Mar 13, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

bingo

with Roy @ SG and being a playmaker, we do not need a playmaking PG

please see examples 1,2,3,4,5

Steve Kerr 5x
BJ Armstrong 3x
Derick Fisher 3x
Kenny Smith 2x
Ron Harper 5x
Jason Williams 1x

vs

Kidd 0
Stockton 0
Nash 0
CP3 0
Payton (1 but with Mia as a backup)

those are 6 of the most basic PGs in history yet have 19 titles compared to only 1 from some of the greatest PGs to ever lace up.

Blake is fine, good bye.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PGs are overated

 But it’s still important to have a good-great one.
 I think a lot of owners think that if they have an elite point guard they have half of a championship team. In reality they still need a dominant wing and dominant big to give the ball to. Unless, the PG is also an offensive maestro like Chris Paul then the dominant wing is not so necessary.

by Se Hace La Vista Gorda on Mar 13, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i tend to think

that they control the ball too much for my liking. When our team is clicking everybody is touching the ball, probing for a weakness in the D, an open 3, an open lane, or post pass to a guy in good position.

With a domaneering PG like CP or stockton they control everything and if you can shut them down it can hurt the team a lot and in the playoffs when you are so heavily scouted and taped, having multi threats is a nightmare.

So that brings me to this: Do you think that Blake/Bayless/Sergio are good-great or not? I think players like that are fine as long as they are next to a playmaking SG like Roy, K*be, Wade, Jordan, or Drexler.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Mar 13, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That’s why PTB absolutely blow great teams out when they’re on. When their D is “connected” they’re amazing to watch.

This is where buying into Nate’s system is magic. If everyone does this team is simply tough to beat.

by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

amazing to watch….because their O often feeds off their D so well. Since they get so few fast break points to begin with. A great night of D usually ends up lighting up the offensive end too.

by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

Billiups is probably the “best” pg out of the bunch of recent champions, but most teams just have adequate PGs, which I believe Blake falls into.

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by Philthyanimal on Mar 13, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he wasn't proven last year tho

kinda hard to include him on that “elite” list when there were so many question marks in regards to him.

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by Philthyanimal on Mar 13, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

He always had that elite speed/ability to get to the basket & defending ablity. Love him as a player.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um,

Tony Parker might beg to differ there.

by Royster on Mar 14, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

elite

parker maybe played at an elite level for just 1 of his 3 championships. i dont think anyone would have called him elite during his first 2 championship runs.

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by Philthyanimal on Mar 15, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Handcheck rules have changed.

CP3 wouldn’t be scoring as much in the early 90’s.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter

He still would have averaged stockton level assists which mean all star appearances which mean allstar calls. He would have been just as effective.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 14, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot a few.

Magic Johnson: 5 titles
Bob Cousy: 6 titles
Oscar Robertson: 1 title
Walt Frazier: 2 titles
Isaiah Thomas: 2 titles
Tiny Archibald: 1 title
Tony Parker: 3 titles

Its very convenient how you left out 6 of the greatest point guards of all time and only included the ones who hadn’t won a championship.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chauncey?

My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...

by Taskmaster on Mar 14, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Chauncey was probably a top point guard back then, but I’m not sure he’s on the same level as those other guys.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the greatest PGs have combined for 20

but what do those players have in common?

Magic and Oscar played with KAJ, Cousy played with Russell and Parker played with Duncan, 3 of the greatest big men in history, so that cuts it down to 6 titles by players that did not have HOF big men by them.

Lastly, OK so the greatest PGs in history have 21 titles

Magic Johnson: 5 titles
Bob Cousy: 6 titles
Oscar Robertson: 1 title
Walt Frazier: 2 titles
Isaiah Thomas: 2 titles
Tiny Archibald: 1 title
Tony Parker: 3 titles
Kidd 0
Stockton 0
Nash 0
CP3 0
Payton (1 but with Mia as a backup)

What is funny is that
Steve Kerr 5x
BJ Armstrong 3x
Derick Fisher 3x
Kenny Smith 2x
Ron Harper 5x
Jason Williams 1x

all supposedly NOT championship PG material have 19 only 2 less than the greatest PGs in the game.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Mar 14, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are bad at math.

The fact that 12 of the greatest point guards in history have 21 combined titles is incredible. That means that in the last 40-50 years of basketball roughly half the time there has been a hall of fame point guard on the team that won the title. Considering there are five positions on a team that is incredibly significant.

According to ESPN, the ten greatest power forwards have combined for only 11 titles,the ten greatest shooting guards of all time have combine for 14 titles, and the ten greatest centers have combined for a whopping 37 titles.

So I guess by your own numbers, your entire argument should be that the PG position is the second most important position in order to win a championship.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well 6 of the most solid, not spectacular pgs

have combined for 19 in the last 20 years so,

I’m noot tu gud at mat bit tat is 95% of the last 20 years have been won by solid PGs.

Yes having a great big is the key to winning it all DUH.

What is important is having a good playmaker and a leader on your team, we have one in Brandon so we therefore do not need an “elite” PG, but rather someone who like Kerr or Fisher can play good team D and hit open 3s to open up the lane.

This is not that difficult.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Mar 14, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Tony Parker is a solid but not spectacular point guard? Didn’t he win a finals MVP? Brandon Roy is not Michael Jordan and Greg Oden is not Hakeem Olajuwon. We probably need a PG improvement if we want to win a title.

Also, I would take Steve Kerr, BJ Armstrong, Derick Fisher, or Kenny Smith over Steve Blake any day of the week.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this post is as idiotic

as “is this a championship team” and YES you do need a solid to elite point guard to win championship. I’ve been a Piston fan my whole life and it was Zeke for the first two and Chauncey for the third, last year RONDO was amazing, year before that you had Tony Parker, before that you had D Wade essentially playing point forward, 05 tony Parker, 04 Billups, 03 Parker…..starting to notice a pattern.

For the people that read the whole post Romon Sessions was recommended, he makes less than a million this year.

The difference between D Fish and Blake is huge starting with championships, do not count Maryland.

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What a goal

Always, before making a fanpost, I look around at others to see if there are any that are more idiotic than the one I am thinking about doing. Then, if someone criticizes me, I can always say that the other was more idiotic.

Less Idiocy FTW.

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by jscot on Mar 13, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and as to substance

Milwaukee won’t give up Sessions except for a very high price indeed.

It is silly to give up on our young PGs. Sergio has showed substantive improvement this year, and is still very young. Jerryd is even younger. Both are extremely talented, and are working to improve. Sergio shows every indication of being a quality backup PG, and potentially starter quality, within 2-3 years.

Jerryd shows the athleticism and work ethic to be a top ten (at least) PG in the league within 2-3 years.

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by jscot on Mar 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

IF the Blazers are buyers this offseason and everyone else is selling, we might be able to pick up some nice verteran pieces cheap (in terms of what we’re trading). If we can get a good quick veteran starter to lead this team for a year or two I’m all for it – and I think it will be doable for KP. For that matter, it’s quite possible that some teams are going to really be freaking out over the next 6 months and selling office furniture, much less trying to dump salary. It’s conceivable we could get a very good PG.

by bamkapow on Mar 13, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

I would have no objection to getting an upgrade if we can at a reasonable price. My objection is to the idea of writing off our young PGs too early. Both show tremendous potential.

Last year, Sergio showed no noticeable improvement. That has not been the case this year, which proves that he is still improving, as you would expect with a young player.

If you can upgrade, by all means do so. But you do so not because the young guys are useless (as the OP suggests about Sergio) but because you have a chance to upgrade over them.

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by jscot on Mar 14, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't throw him under the bus

Sergio and LMA are really getting some chemistry going.

by keepfryealive on Mar 14, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milwaukee has to choose between Sessions and Villanueva

if we made a big enough offer, we could have Sessions. I’m not saying I’d use the cap space on him, just that he is a reasonable option.

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

I don’t think anyone knows what Milwaukee will do.

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by jscot on Mar 14, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerryd needs more than vertical leap and a facial expression to be a good PG

“Athleticism and work ethic” do not make a person into a top-10 PG. Court sense, BBIQ, a good 3 point shooting percentage, ball handling, passing, timing, etc. are all more important than athleticism and work ethic. Bayless may be a top-10 PG in a few years, but he has a very long ways to go. Bayless reminds me of Robert Pack right now, and he needs to be better than that to be a championship PG.
Bayless can’t rely on his work ethic to make him see the court better and make better in-game decisions.

by unblindloyalty on Mar 13, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Work ethic AND experience

if you want to be picky. Experience helps with seeing the court better and making better in-game decisions. But so does work ethic. The more time he spends talking to a coach like Nate, the more time he spends looking at game film, the more he will recognize game situations as they are developing. That’s a matter of work ethic.

Good 3 point shooting is also a matter of work ethic. If he works with the shooting coach and shoots 50,000 3s this summer, he’ll be a good 3 point shooter. It’s not like he’s unable to see the basket or too weak to throw the ball that far. Good form and practice, practice, practice. He’ll be over 40% on 3s within two years.

Improved ball handling is also a matter of work ethic. There are many multiple drills he can and will use to improve this. There’s nothing magical about ball handling.

It is kind of silly to say all those things you listed (court sense, 3 point shooting, ball handling, etc) are more important than work ethic. Hard work will improve every single one of those things.

And Bayless has played significant minutes in perhaps 20 games this year, his second year out of high school, and you have him pegged as Robert Pack?

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by jscot on Mar 14, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerryd Bayless has unbelievable NATURAL ABILITY.

jscot hits the nail on the head with Jerryd Bayless. JB does need to improve… but what player doesn’t?

Jerryd has been playing hoops for a while, but is still only 19 years old. NEVER has Bayless been truly “Challenged” by a coach or opposition until now. This is true with most ELITE lottery type players who come out young. Jerryd has never REALLY been challeged by a coach to be a shut down defender… more realistically he would have been told to “out-score” the other teams best player(s). Nor had his ball-handling ever really been THAT questioned because it had always been adequate enough to get him to the rim, etc. Jerryd Bayless has also always been the primary offensive weapon for his teams… averaging well over 30ppg in high school and instantly becoming offense #1 for Arizona, this affected his distribution efforts/development…. The higher efficiency score is inside, so Bayless’ drive to the rim has always been his primary option, lowering his focus on 3’s…

But none of these skils… ball-handling, on-ball defense, drive-and-dish distribution, high 3-point percentage, focused team defense-minded… are very far from being “just another” arrow in Jerryd Bayless’ quiver.

A little work ethic AND experience from JB, and his development being managed properly by the Blazers coaching staff and we will all be tripping over our jaws in two seasons at what we have in Bayless. This kid is flat out LEGITIMATE.

by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW................Bayless is a kid

Athletacism and Work ethic are all you can expect from him right now. That’s painfully obvious. Ignoring that is basically low BBIQ ish

by keepfryealive on Mar 14, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you realize that Sessions makes less than a million because he was a second round draft pick, right?

draft dejuan blair

by Cablinasian on Mar 13, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you posting here if you are a Piston fan ?

       This is BLAZERS EDGE ! We (most BE’s) like Blake. When healthy
he is a very good running mate to OUR playmaker Brandon Roy. Fans
of other teams (like the Pistons) know him as 06-07 ROY and 07-08 /
08-09 All Star. We know him as BRoy or “The Natural”, meaning a highly
talented combo guard, who can get to the rim almost at will, breaks down
the defense & sets up his teammates, and has a great all around game.
     Steve Blake has his weaknesses, but he is a great spot-up outside shooter,
solid passer & ball handler, has always had a high assist to TO ratio and
is a team leader/veteran. He has trouble on defense against the quick slashing
PG’s (CP3, Parker, Deron, etc.), but so does the rest of the NBA. If you want
an appropriate comparison, think John Paxson playing along side Jordan. I think
the Bulls won three titles with that combo ???
     Our deficiencies in my opinion are . . .
1. We are the youngest team in the NBA.
2. Our rookie Center has been injured and is still developing.
3. Our starting SF (3M) has been out all season.
4. We have have four rookies playing significant minutes.
5. We haven’t come together in our defensive schemes/ team D play.
    (See # 1, 2, 3 & 4)
6. We are new to the upper eschelon – playoff running WC’s powers.
7. We are not a good road team against WC powerhouse teams.
    ( See # 1,2,3,4,5, & 6)

      Jerryd Bayless will give us the PG we need in the future, since the offense
will run through BRoy 85% of the time. BRex just needs experience and minutes
to develop into the combo guard to play alongside Brandon. We need him to bring the
ball up, guard the other PG and slash/pullup/create when needed !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Mar 13, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

?

Because Blazer fans never post on other Blogs? Tell that to Blogabull.

by Nick Van Excellent on Mar 14, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most don't, except Timbo . . .

       & we all know he’s a MUTANT !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Mar 14, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pistons fan posting here because BlazersEdge.com is best blog on the WWW!

how can we blame other fans like this from joining our amazing on-line blog spot? I mean Dave and Ben and the whole crew of fan-posters that reside here flat out put together kick ass post after kick ass post and all other NBA fans are just jealous. They need to find some reason to join in our conversation so they feel like they are part of the COOL CROWD.

duh.

by Portland Dynasty on Mar 15, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give him a couple years

and I think Bayless is going to be just fine. KP has faith in him to be the PG of the future, and with his track record that’s good enough for me

by SalemORguy on Mar 13, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not convinced

I think Bayless will be able to defend those guys or at least hound them for 36 minutes, and Roy is our 4th quarter point guard.

by koyote on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, indeed, we all know you can't win champeenships

With guys like Derek Fisher and Rajon Rondo playing the point.

Can anyone even name Micheal Jordan’s point guards?

When you look at the racks of rings that Chris Paul, Jason Kidd and Steve Nash have put up it’s obvious that only an elite point guard can get it done.

by raoulduke on Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

John Paxson can name them

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by jscot on Mar 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Craig Hodges

and Steve Kerr

Kamla was on with Wheels and they asked him “what’s the best matchup for Portland in round 1?” and Rick also mentioned how they TBs will struggle against teams with great PGs

Woulda, coulda, shoulda added Hinrich. Said it then, saying it now, will be saying it later.

by two4larue on Mar 13, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ Armstrong,

Was Toni Kukoc a point?

by koyote on Mar 13, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ron harper

who had been a 20pt/gm scorer when first in the league, after knee injury revamped his game to fit in…..always could play defense, had been a low fg % scorer…..in the triangle he became selfless and put wins before stats

ignacio

by ignacio on Mar 13, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

Scotty Pippen was running the Point Forward for the runs, or Michael Jordan was just dribbling up the court and dominating. I’ll go through the 92 Finals tapes to start research.

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

craig hodges and steve kerr

were the perimeter guys waiting the the dibble penetration kick out and hit the three

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wish

we somehow could have gotten westbrook in the draft. with him and a solid SF it would be a done deal

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook

would be in the same boat as Bayless on the Blazers. OKC can let him play because they’re rebuilding – Portland is trying to win games now, so while I think Bayless/Westbrook > Blake in 2 years, Steve is better here and now

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by blazeraddict on Mar 13, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree!

Not saying the results would be the same but they are similar players, same height, more combo guards, tend to want to score more than having a knowledge of how to see the floor and make others better. Both are very competitive and both can jump and rebound well.

Maybe Bayless wouldn’t have the same numbers and development if he was at OKC instead of Westbrook, that’s impossible to say, but he could have and if Westbrook was in Bayless’ place with the Blazers he would have had to face the same limitted PT that Bayless has faced.

Westbrook was just in a better situation to develop quicker… I think he is now way ahead of Bayless but he still isn’t a very good floor leader type point guard.

by QuebecBlzrFan on Mar 13, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook...

A lot of the reason why his game has improved over the season is because he is on a bad team and there are minutes to be distributed to rookies. I think if you put Bayless on that team, you see similar improvement.

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

cant compare the two

westbrooks stats are ridiculous. 15 pts 5 a and 5 rebs. a trip dub two weeks ago. straight baller. he killed us at the rose garden with i believe 8 offensive rebs in the 3rd quarter.

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The value of in-game experience...

The first few months of the season, Russell was bad and very inefficient. As he has adjusted to the speed and nuances of NBA game, he has shown improvement. He is still averaging an exorbitant number of turnovers. As I said, the Thunder are playing all of their young guys. If Bayless had Westbrooks minutes, I would expect him to be posting similar numbers.

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is

Westbrook took those minutes from Earl Watson, they were not given to him. Bayless has not taken any of Blakes minutes & that concerns me.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Difference is Westbrook was in the rotation from the start.

They didn’t have a second pg so he got a lot of PT from the start. He was the #4 pick and the only other rookie who got PT was Weaver not like Portland having 4 rookies on the roster.

With the coaching change they decided to go with Westbrook as the starter… not sure he even had to earn it (he was shooting 34.5% in November), it might have just been a decision to go with the future vs trying to win games with a more established vet (although Watson was only shooting 32% so maybe he just sucked so bad that there was no sense in keeping him as starter even if he ran the team better).

He has had little or no pressure with the team starting off something like 3-29.

Just a totally different situation so its not comparable.

by QuebecBlzrFan on Mar 14, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From today's Thorpe chat

Tomas (Lithuania): Can Bayless be at Westbrook/Rose level someday?? Last year everybody was so high on him, Bayless also is bigger, stronger tahn many point guards and have amazing athleticism, plus he is better shooter than tose two.

 David Thorpe: Maybe-I wouldn’t rule out his potential being at their level. Needs a chance.

by Norsktroll on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are not that many options to upgrade for the short term since "elite" point guards are not easily available

There is a premium on the position. You find a top guy, you keep him. Everyone we can possible get has some downside, and even those guys don’t come cheap. Brief rundown of a few options:

  • Hinrich: Realistic upgrade, but not “elite”. People don’t like his contract.
  • Arenas: Difficult to match contracts, very expensive remaining salary, injury history.
  • Sessions: Would be an upgrade at least over Sergio. No outside shot. Bucks want to keep him.
  • Felton: Realistic, price okay, and would fit our window, but also not “elite”.
  • Conley: Memphis decided on him over Lowry, so not cheap. Friends with Greg. But unclear if he can realize potential.
  • Bibby: Aging. Expensive. Not much of a defender. Might want to stay with Hawks.
  • Miller: Aging. Not much of an outside shot.
  • Kidd: Old. Not really a good defender anymore. What can he command as his last salary?
  • Nash: Old. Never has been a good defender.
  • Davis: Aging. Expensive. KP/Penn are on record saying he wouldn’t work well with Roy.
  • Crawford/Ellis: Not really point guards. Expensive. We can hope Bayless becomes that kind of player with more PG skills.
  • Robinson: Undersized. Streaky. Not really a good defender either.
  • Petteri: Not NBA ready, much less starter ready.
  • Draft tier 1 Rubio: Not sure whether he will be in the 09 or 10 draft. No outside shot. Won’t come over immediately. Need luck to get the right draft pick even if KP would be able to move up a lot.
  • Draft tier 2 Jennings/Curry: Hard to get/need luck. Jennings didn’t look very promising overseas, but likely would have looked better in college. Curry is also in that category, and there are questions if his skills translate to the pros.
  • Draft 3 Collison: Realistic, but initially no more than a backup. I likely would put Flynn and Lawson in that category too.

Forget acquiring Harris, CP3, Williams, Rose, Rondo, Calderon, Parker, etc. unless Roy or at the very least LaMarcus is in the package – and even then some guys would be unattainable.

The realistic guys to acquire are probably Hinrich, Felton (RFA), Miller (UFA), maybe Sessions (RFA) and Bibby (UFA). If we acquire Hinrich, Bibby or Miller, there is no real place for Blake on the team. And debatable how much of an upgrade towards the “elite” category those would be.

by Norsktroll on Mar 13, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

GREAT POST

I like sessions because he makes less than a million. We could get him on the cheap and he can fly down the court

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not reading what he's writing...
Sessions: Would be an upgrade at least over Sergio. No outside shot. Bucks want to keep him.

This is why the Bucks tried to give away Richard Jefferson for pennies on the dollar. They want to clear cap space to re-sign Ramon Sessions. For all intents and purposes, he makes MORE than $1 million and is probably not a viable option. He also has no outside shot.

A better question would’ve been of the many (albeit imperfect) options we have this summer, who would you choose? Then, we could vote on Allen iverson, Mike Bibby, Andre Miller, etc and decide who our big free agent signing will be…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Mar 13, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

711,517 less than a million in my book

CONTRACT INFO: 2008/09: $711,517, 2009/10: Free Agent

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But likely restricted...

If the Bucks want to keep him, they will, regardless of his current salary.

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not restricted

2nd round picks are Unrestricted, though teams can use the Gilbert Arenas rule to go over the cap to sign them. No matching.

by dprodigy19 on Mar 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is making my blood pressure rise...

How many players have signed qualifying offers and then re-upped with the same team long term?

If he doesn’t sign a contract this year, he gets the QO and then bails in two years to play with Lebron in New York or wherever else he may end up. His listed contract amount next year is basically worthless, as you have to be considering what he’s going to RE-SIGN FOR. Unless you just want a rent-a-player for one season…

So, check your math…

$711,517 + $5 million (roughly the MLE or presumably what Sessions will re-sign for) > $1 million in my book.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Mar 13, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You won't get Sessions "on the cheap"

He has a slotted salary, the Bucks want him, and he’s Unrestricted (no matching)

by dprodigy19 on Mar 13, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should save a word doc...

To post this everytime we get someone posting about our need for an Elite PG.

I think the team needs to put their chips in with our current PGs, Jerryd in particular. I think Nate is the right coach for Bayless to develop into solid NBA starting PG.

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you should not participate

in this post if you have a problem, and focus on creating a word doc.

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This post is a dime a dozen...

Norkstroll’s post nullifies most PG aquisition threads and if it were to be posted early, you really have no argument afterwards. Your unrequited man-crushes on untouchable point guards not wearing a Blazer uniform and your inability to think through any of your comments are really garnering you a lot of street cred. Congratulations!

by PtownJake on Mar 13, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeLonte West?

I’ve often thought he might fit nicely. Like his game, not so much the tatts.

by bamkapow on Mar 13, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who wants to be on the Bucks?

basically a D league squad

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not according to the Eastern Conference standings...

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Mar 13, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

when was the last time they

were relevant? i rest my case.

by NKing on Mar 13, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh....

This year?

They’re in the battle for the 8th seed. And they made the playoffs in 2005-2006, which technically makes them more relevant than the Blazers, right?

If they didn’t have a cheap owner, they’d have TJ Ford, Mo Williams, Michael Redd, Yi Jianlian and Andrew Bogut, which is probably good enough for a 6 seed in the East…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Mar 13, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PARKER LIT US UP

For what 14 at the Rose Garden? SO he had 1 good good game against us and 1 bad one. NOOO

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone, somewhere, in the NBA right now,

or in Europe, or in college, is going to become an upper-echelon point guard.

  • If he’s a current NBA player with more than two years of experience, is an upgrade to anyone we have right now or next year, fits our culture, has a contract we can manage, and is gettable, KP will get him. Maybe Sessions is that guy, but I’m not betting on it.
  • If he’s in Europe or college, he will come into the NBA as a rookie and will be snapped-up by a lottery team who isn’t likely to trade him for anyone we would be willing to part with. I doubt KP would want another rookie anyway, especially at point. The rookie would have to be a CP3-level talent to justify getting him.

I’m guessing that the point guards we have right now are the point guards we will go into battle with for the next few years.

by MiledAnimal on Mar 13, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So basically

Trust in KP and love watching these guys grow? I like it.

by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate Robinson

I like him as our PG, especially if we plan on keeping Nico as our small forward & LA/Greg at the posts.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

Bayless, 4-5 years down the line + offensive minded HC & some poor team mates and a 6 inch height difference.

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by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Roy @ SG and being a playmaker, we do not need a playmaking PG

please see examples 1,2,3,4,5

Steve Kerr 5x
BJ Armstrong 3x
Derick Fisher 3x
Kenny Smith 2x
Ron Harper 5x
Jason Williams 1x

Take a step back and think here. Kerr was a backup & probably most like Blake. Lets not underrate what BJ Armstrong did in his career. He was good defensively & the 3 kept opposing PG’s honest. Same goes for Derrick Fisher.

That is what we need. Someone who can defend any PG in the league at any given time & shoot the 3 well. Any slashing ability & passing skills is gravy.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kerr played abotu 20mpg

not a starter for sure but between him and Harper, they took up most of the PG minutes as they were both about 20 mpg during the bulls title runs.

BJ shot on average 42% from 3 during his title runs and came in at about 30 mpg. Blake is at 43% 3 right now and career has the same amount of steals per game that BJ does.

In addition, I do not want to look up the stats but we hold most elite pgs to at or below their averages for the season with what we have and to add in, with no hand check rule anymore, NOBODY plays perimeter D. If they do they are called for 2 quick fouls and their backups come in and you lose all the good out of them.

We need a heady pg who can hit 3’s, and knows how to get players into the game, and I keep saying that Steve Blake will retire a Blazer. Why? he has the support of the coach, gm and the team. If even in a backup role he will stay on and help this team coaching players.

So many people forget that Steve Blake IS A CHAMPIONSHIP PG!! He took a Maryland team with only Juan Dixon and Chris WIlcox to the title in 2002.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Mar 13, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big difference

BJ was able to keep up with Stockton & Kevin Johnson. Blake can’t keep with Paul & Harris.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll be curious to actually see ramon sessions play

as one thing that jumps out in boxscores is that he never even attempts a 3, even in his high-scoring games. he draws a lot of fouls, so he must be penetrating, gets assists…..i’m just curious to actually see him play.

ignacio

by ignacio on Mar 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What kinda of defense does Calderon play?

His offense is a slightly improved version of Blake, would he bring more to the defensive side?

Before this year he was unattainable, but Toronto might be ready to blow up. A combination of our 10,000 picks Bayless/Sergio/Blake, and maybe even some other fodder would make him a possibility.

Plus, we could annex Spain as part of Oregon.

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

worse than Sergio on D

according to 82games.com.

Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.

by HurraKane212 on Mar 13, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio and Bayless

Need to spend all summer with shooting coaches.

"It was White vs. Purple that's all I know." - B Roy

by pxilpooshr on Mar 13, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Sergio needs about 20% of that time in the weight room and 5% of the time eating cow.

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True that

He needs girth

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless shot 40% + in college from 3

I have watched Bayless shoot live from about 20 ft away for about 20 min. He is an excellent shooter. He is running into the same problem Rudy did in Spain a few years ago, that is, learning to “be slow, in a hurry.” Bayless’ natural shot is not super quick and NBA defenses are WAY faster than college, so your window is smaller. You have to either have a quick release, or have balls of steel and take your time while knowing that a very large man is flying toward you to block your shot.

Bayless will get it at NBA speed soon, it just takes reps. In games reps not practice reps. His shot is money, it’s all in his head.

Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A START.

by HurraKane212 on Mar 13, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone ever see Chris Paul shot?

His release is really slow, I mean really , really slow. What allows him to get his shot off is good screens and his ability to get to the rim or find the open man. Bayless’ problem is simple, he is thinking too much and too nervous. He needs to just play and not worry too much. With a good mentor and a confidence boost , he could go a long way.
By the way Blake will not lead us to a Championship! He is too slow defensively and all he does is jack up 3pt shots. I would like KP to trade both Blake and Sergio, and perhaps sign Bibby in the Summer. We should have about 7 mill per season to offer him which is what he is worth. I say we offer him a 4 year deal with a team option after 2 years so if Bayless becomes ready we can let Mike go. That would make it a $28 million for 4 years, a good deal during this recession. Then we could sign a 3rd string PG like Hart. I know Bibby won’t help a great deal on the defensive end but he his a whole lot better on the offensive side. He doesn’t need the ball to be effective and can let Roy be the primary playmaker just like he does right now in Atlanta.

by VinnyB on Mar 13, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

You bash Blake’s defense, then say get Bibby, and then you say Bibby won’t help defensively, but will help our offense.

Kay!

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A decent mid range jumper

would go a long way to paper over their weaknesses. They have some qualities but without that jumper it’s sayonara in the NBA.

by oregonslee on Mar 13, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s been or achilles heel all year, quick point guards give us trouble.
Not sure we’ve done to well against quick teams in general.

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by Blazer1342 on Mar 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We were lucky

To foul out vince, limiting Harris’s options tonight.

Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !

by Air Norv on Mar 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

We went 2-0 against Nets
We went 2-1 against Spurs so far

They have 2 of the quickest PGs, if not the two quickest PGs in the NBA. We sure fail against them.

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More in depth

Harris average 25/8 and 2.5 TO against us. His season averages are 23/7/3. So his 2 games against us were slightly above his season averages. No biggy.

Parker has done better. 26/8/2.33. Season averages of 21/7/2.6. Granted, that came mainly in the game Duncan/Ginboli were out. If those two were always out you could be Parker would average 30 points a game.

Regardless, both have done slightly above average against us, and they’ve gone 1-4 so far. Not too much of an issue?

by Zaig on Mar 13, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

J-bay

will be the man, just give him some time. that guy has potential coming out the who-ha.

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by danevan on Mar 14, 2009 12:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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