Outlaw Blowin' Up
I am an Outlaw doubter. I think he has a horrible basketball IQ that leads him to take bad shots at bad times and not make the most of his size and talent. On top of that, his effort is questionable at best, and certainly not consistent. This really shows up on rebounding and defense. Did I mention his subpar passing? All these things have led me to the conclusion that I would include Travis in almost any trade because I think he is not a player that is conducive to winning a championship, but might bring back someone who is.
That said, this kid is very quietly having a spectacular stretch of basketball for this team. Perhaps, the best of his career. My opinion of Travis is changing. Let me tell you why.
1. Consistency
Travis has always been a guy that titilated with his talent by making spectacular plays or having spectacular games. I'm a relatively new BE contributor, but I've seen the. "I'm sorry I ever doubted you, Travis." post on here at least a dozen times after one of his great performances. Those are generally followed up with, "What the #@$@# was that, Travis?" Sometimes, within the same game. What has got my attention lately is I'm not really seeing a ton of either. Travis has dropped 20+ in three of the last five games after having three such games in the first three *months* of the season. Oh, and he has six 20+ pt games in his last 18.
There is no official stat, but my personal Travis "cringe" moments are down to no more than one per game.
2. Consistency
Very clever, I know. This can't be overemphasized though. We're trying to build a foundation that can support championship dreams. We cannot afford cracks. Championship teams are predictable. That doesn't mean that every player plays wonderfully every night. It means that you know that if a player faces the same situation from one game to the next, you are likely to get the same result. Coaches can build gameplans around that. They can alter gameplans because of it. This is how identifies are built. Schizophrenia doesn't mesh well with building a unified identity, and that's what we've seen from Travis until the last 18 games.
He had the first 50%+ shooting month of his career in February (50.4%), and has raised his game in March (52.9%). His shooting a spectacular 47.1% from beyond the arc this month. Even his free throws, which have been a struggle this season, have recovered to 79%. His scoring has gone from 10.5 in November and December, to 13.6 in January to 15 in February, and stands at 16.2 so far for March.
Compare that to last season when we saw 9.3 > 14.5 > 15.3 > 15.7 > 11.6 during the same time period. What is hidden in those monthly scoring averages is some shooting numbers that really took a dive. Travis shot 48.8% in Jan-08, but trailed off to 44% in Feb and a ghastly 39.4% in March. With that kind of shooting, he needed more shots to get his points. In his best scoring month so far this season (March), he is doing it with only 11.7 shots/game. His best scoring month last season (Feb) required a whopping 13.8 shots/game. That's more points with fewer shots for you math champs out there. Producing more with less is what maturity is all about.
3. Effort
The simplest way I can measure effort with Travis is rebounds. Travis is not having as good of year on the boards this year (4.1 RPG) as he did last (4.6), but he is showing signs of improvement. He's averaged 4.5 and 4.8 in Feb and Mar, respectively, which is right in line with last season. That includes two dud rebounding games in his last two, where he pulled down a total of two rebounds. Take out those two games, and he has averaged 5.06 RPG over the last 16 games, including a nice stretch to start March of 6, 6, 6, and 9.
4. Comfort
Travis really seemed to be searching for his role early in the year. He was tentative. I don't see that anymore. He comes out on the court and starts making plays....good plays. No stats to back this up, just years of watching and playing.
I can't say I'm sold on Travis yet, but I am certainly enjoying this fine stretch of basketball from him. The exciting part is that if this can be Travis' new performance plateau (meaning he doesn't sink back down), I think there is reason to believe he can achieve an even higher level.
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#25
I voted no, because the best is yet to come.
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on Mar 12, 2009 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I love this post btw
Its very good
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on Mar 12, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I should have worded differently.
I meant the best of his career to date
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
rec
I voted no for a different reason—i don’t think people remember how good Travis was during The Streak last year.
This is the second best run of Travis’ career, in my opinion.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
He played very well during The Streak
But there have been less cringe-worthy moments this time around…that’s what’s making the difference for me.
Trout also had a great run at the end of last season
For two years now, I’ve been saying that the Blazers badly need an athletic bruiser off the bench—a Maxiell/ Millsap type. I still feel that way, and I think the need will be highlighted during the playoffs, when things always get more physical. Plus, Travis’ defensive lapses and inability to EVER box out on the boards drive me nuts.
Having said all that, there’s something about that Catfish Outlaw. I’d hate to see him go…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I was gonna say the samre thing. Thanks for covering the bases, OiR. :-)
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I'm typing in the dark again.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Can I take my vote back?
I voted yes…..but you’re right. The best is going to come in the playoffs.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted no for the same reason
his best is coming in the NEXT 18 games.
so, I turned it green, OiR. – Elgin
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Skeets: i’ll close it down now … congrats. you bastards
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That’s how many sentences into this Travis post before BBIQ was mentioned.
But I tend to agree with you. I’m also a Travis doubter and this recent stretch of play has been awesome. Once again, KP makes the right move (or non-move in this case) at the Trade Deadline.
His effort on defense and elsewhere seems to be at an all time high. That doesn’t mean he’s a good defender by any means, but he’s trying harder and that’s making a difference.
Here’s hoping he won’t get lazy over the summer and will come into training camp ready to continue this play next season.
I almost stopped reading
after that. I thought this was going to be yet another bash Outlaw post because of his two bad rebounding games in a row.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Travis' #1 trait:
When everyone is ice cold, say the start of the 2nd it seems that travis is always the one who is unphased by the ttone of the game. He lessons the blow of our cold stretches and creates a segue into our next hot streak.
yeah you're right
Unphased by the tone of the game. Absolutely right!
I wonder, maybe Outlaw has Ausperger’s or something like that. He does things outside the flow or tone of the game frequently. When these things are bad he makes us cringe but when they’re good he is our redeemer.
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.
It's tough to say for sure
but you make some great arguments for why it may be his best stuff yet… yet. He loves the big stage, I can only imagine what he’s going to do with the one at the playoffs
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
he drives to the basket much more than ever before
sometimes it doesnt work (when he drives into the middle is just about the only time you’ll see him make a turnover, occasionally even get a shot blocked) but it’s a good idea if he’s not in good rhythm to shoot a 3. i notice how many times he goes to the ft line as well as his rebounds.
ignacio
This is a huge aspect
It’s opened up the 3 even more for him and yes the ft are very helpful. Plus he can out jump just about anyone and that little spin jump baby hook is butter baby pure butter.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
hes definitely expanding his game. maybe hes been reading the posts on be
by elconquistador on Mar 12, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions
His offensive efficiency has been unreal
I can’t remember the last time Travis shot more than 50% in regularity. Wasn’t his FG% at 41% prior to February?
Outlaw TS% splits
November: .531
December: .489
January: .553
February: .576
March: .619
pre-all star: .533
post- all star: .607
in Blazer wins: .577
in Blazer losses: .496
great numbers
really make the point. Funny how when we win it’s because Travis is shooting (a lot) better. he’s this whole season’s Gatorade X-factor.
"Travis has more hops than a bunny in a brewery. He elevates so high his seat doubles as a flotation device."
-Dave
by SabonisBonus on Mar 13, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
But he can (and probably should) still play better, especially if we want to go anywhere in the playoffs.
It’s been nice to see Dr. Outlaw in the game more often than Mr. Trav.
BAAAAATOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!...
trout is for the hawks ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I reject the
low BBIQ thing. If he can make those crazy shots how is it bad BBIQ to take them? he seems to struggle taking set jumpers (except for 3s, those have to be set…)
He is not the best defender but I don’t think its because of smarts.
I am not saying Trout has “high” bbiq but I don’t think its any lower than the league average, I think people just say this because he sounds like a country bumpkin when he talks.
Frye-lock and I'm on top rock you like a cop
someone has to be below average
For something to be an average there have to be below average and above average folks. You could argue Travis is within the league norm, but I would still say he’s below average.
the way he sounds has nothing to do with how I've come to that conclusion
when the other team is going on a run, and you take a fadeaway jump shot, you have made a bad basketball decision. LMA is guilty of this as well. When Travis has hit a shot, I don’t question these as much because he hits them routinely, but he will also take them when he is cold. That’s bad basketball. Shot selection can be learned though, especially with good peer leadership.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
Low BBIQ has very little to do with shot selection . . .
it has more to do with court awareness on offense & defense.
Low BBIQ usually shows when he gets burned on a back cut (R, Mason
@ SA), passing to nobody or lazy passes, not understanding team defensive
schemes, not blocking out or following your shot, taking a off balance -high
dificulty shot when a teammate is wide open, etc.
For the record, I like Travis as a young man. I think he wants to be successful,
is a good teammate and has great athleticism and shot making ability. He needs
to keep getting stronger, take it to the basket more often and work on his defensive
lateral quickness. He also needs to watch “Hoosiers” in regards to snapping his
passes and looking for his open teammates, before putting his head down and
throwing up shots. He has been great spotting up from 3 and has the one two dribble
step back jumper down pat. Now take a clue from BRoy and expand the all around game !
It's GO time !
Travis doesn't have a low BB-IQ; he has a low REB-IQ
After six years, he still fails to box out, fails to get the the tough boards, fails to rebound consistently, fails to get any rebounds at all unless he is surrounded by about five feet of air (at which point he jumps like a kangaroo) — and all this from a guy who is considered a better Big forward than a small and, hence, for whom REB-IQ is crucial.
If Travis were grabbing, say, 7 or 8 boards a game, ain’t nobody in the NBA would accuse him of a low BB-IQ. If he got 10 a game he would be one of the most sought-after players in the league. But at his current 4 a game, we have discussions like this.
by blazerwizard on Mar 14, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
He is on a very good stretch late in the season. As usual. I wish he would work to add elements to his game in the offseason
That would really put him on the next level. And we all know the holes in his game. But at the moment, in terms of percentages and (offensive) efficiency he is playing a very similar season to e.g. Luol Deng (with much more threes and late-game scoring) or Richard Jefferson. At a fraction of the cost. One of the top sixth men/x-factors right now who a lot of teams would like to have.
I´ve read Outlaw were resting during the summer while Webster, Blake and others were training hard.
Probably Outlaw is in better physical and psychological condition now than anybody in the Blazers roster.
I think Brandon also keeps himself in good condition because of his slowed pace, although he worked hard in the summer.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
I think Mike Rice's hair will be pretty safe with those rebounding stats.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Since Travis comes from Mississippi
his BBQ IQ is very high. Same for the kids from Kansas City and most of Texas. – Elgin
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Coincidence?
Not being a believer in such a notion, I’d suggest a reason for Travis recent up-play.
A few months back, the talk around here especially centered on Travis and his BBIQ, and there was aplenty of it. Then Casey Holdahl wrote a piece about how Travis’ cousin said Blazer fans “hated” him. His commitment to defense, its applications, and his energy were all lacking any laudability (minus ATF, OiR, and myself, namely, of course.)
So, as a response Travis has really stepped up his game. My guess is Travis heard the complaints and has made a concerted effort to work on the deficient areas of his game, specifically his defensive assignments, focus, and in turn his offense has been as sharp as ever. To note, in listening to the l*kers pregame interview with Coach, he was asked how they planned to handle kobe, and Nate said Travis would get significant time on him. What does this say? I hear it to mean Nate has trust in Travis’ ability, more-so then the typically frustrated nay-sayer around here. That being said, he looked extremely inefficient guarding Dirk, but really who doesn’t around the league? He gets a pass on that one.
I hope Travis continues to elevate his game, not just during the season, but during the summer. He needs to come into next season prepared and having worked on and hopefully out, the kinks in his game that drive trade suggestions to an unbearable level.
I pray the BBIQ issue will die… sheesh Tom just asked…. its a misleading and improper tag, and I know thats not common sentiment.
- Red & Black 4 Life!
You don't need recs when the truth is obvious
Could someone tell me why Travis has an average or high BBIQ?
I don’t understand all the apologists here. Clearly, I can see the positive traits he has, and the improvement, but that doesn’t mean he’s perfect. Shavlik Randolph may have a fantastic BBIQ, but it doesn’t mean I want him playing in front of Travis.
I guarantee if you had 100 coaches watch tape of Travis playing, 75+ of them would question his shot selection. The same number would likely question his effort. These are things he must improve, whether you want to call it BBIQ or not.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
shavlik was just an example, I have no idea what kind of choices he would make on the court
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
We don't have to because we're not the ones saying his BBIQ is low
The burden of proof is on his haters.
did you read my post? what makes me a hater?
I’ve done more to prove I see both sides of travis than any “lover” on this thread. Brandon is the antithesis of Travis. He rarely makes the wrong play at the wrong time. If you can’t see the difference in Brandon’s on-court decision making from Travis’, then I really question whether you are watching the same game.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though I think you probably are an Outlaw hater
If he has a “horrible basketball IQ” then you must think he’s pretty dumb. If I was horrible in school, I would probably be getting F’s. Outlaw is in the NBA, I double there is a single player in the NBA with a “horrible basketball IQ.”
I think that is flawed logic
but it’s way better than saying you don’t need to back up your opinions. Players make it to the pro level for a variety of reasons. Once they get there, they succeed or fail for a variety of reasons too. John Stockton was never the most physically gifted player, but he had outstanding command of the game. Tracy McGrady came into the league firing bad shot after bad shot and became a star due to his immense talent. Plenty of players can make it on talent alone all the way into the Association. A few can even thrive on talent alone. Championship players must combine talent with savvy. There is a reason MJ and Kobe didn’t immediately win titles.
I don’t see anything wrong with pointing out that Travis is long on talent and short on savvy. I also don’t see anything wrong with pointing out that he may be starting to overcome that weakness. When you compare early Kobe to current Kobe, you see a stark contrast in how many wild shots he takes early in the shot clock. One of the challenges with Travis is that it seems to have taken more time for that concept to sink in. That is, in part, due to the fact that he is not a central player on the team that is getting those reps every night. It’s also, though, due to Travis being Travis.
And this has absolutely nothing to do with whether he is a smart person. I’m a smart person by most standards, and I make some asinine decisions on the court. BBIQ is much more about understanding the rhythm, flow and movement of the game than it is about intelligence.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
and this is not a white/black thing
I realized my example might exacerbate that perception. More players I believe success in the NBA with high BBIQ and lesser physical gifts:
Derek Fisher
Jason Kidd (debatable, I know, but I believe Kidd’s success is way more about his BBIQ than his athleticism)
Chauncey Billups
Bruce Bowen
Andre Miller
Joe Smith
to name a few.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for giving your definition of BBIQ
I believe some people just say Travis has a low BBIQ because they think he is stupid. If they way he has a low BBIQ, I want to know how they define BBIQ since everyone has a different definition. If you google it, the best definition is on Urban Dictionary of all places.
Regarding my initial comment you said:
Could someone tell me why Travis has an average or high BBIQ?
I said what I said because you make it sound like Outlaw is uniformly understood to have a low BBIQ or that someone has to prove to you that he may just have an average BBIQ. Some people may think he has an average or above average BBIQ, but they are not the ones who brought up Outlaw’s BBIQ.
It is as simple as this, if I say I am the smartest person on Blazers Edge, it is not up to everyone else to disprove me, it is up to me to prove it to them. And everyone already knows, I am second smartest and third sexiest (1st among Oregon Bears).
You are the one who made the statement about Outlaw’s BBIQ, so it is up to you prove it is horrible. I cannot prove to you that he has an above average or average BBIQ, because I think Outlaw has a tremendous BBIQ. By my definition or standards everyone in the NBA has a high BBIQ.
gotcha
my bust a bucket aerobics training video has me climbing the sexiest person on BE charts…
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almost lost on the thread trail
wanted to respond to your comment:
I don’t understand all the apologists here. Clearly, I can see the positive traits he has, and the improvement, but that doesn’t mean he’s perfect.
First of all, who said he was perfect? One of the reasons I like Outlaw, is because of his quirky imperfections. Venturing to say, the most strident Travis defenders appreciate the person if not more then the player. Comments that continually surface about his BBIQ are little more then veiled references to a weak minded perception.
Travis is a chemistry guy on this team, and among a percentage of its fan base. I love the guy as a Trail Blazer, yet make no apologies for the criticism he receives about his game, only against the personel cheap shottery, and make no mistake, no finger is being pointed in your direction.
Roger??
You don't need recs when the truth is obvious
BBIQ
Over rated. That’s what Roy is for.
Wasn’t it Outlaw’s defense that gave PTB a chance to win against the Mavs. Oh yeah he made a great play, got a no call foul, still got the ball, passed it to Blake. So Blake’s "high BBIQ’ mind could make the biggets mistake of the game.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Not true
In order to win a championship, you need a minimum of avg BBIQ from almost all of your players, with abv avg from the majority.
The same people who marvel at his steal at the end of the game dont remember how at the close of the half Brandon has the ball trying to wind down the clock….He passes to Travis. Travis’ only jobs are to get a shot off or find a shot for someone else without giving the ball back to the other team with enough time to score.
What does Travis do? He takes a shot with more than 7 seconds left on the clock, gets stripped of the ball, the Mavs run to the other side of the court and score. That is almost the worst scenario that could have happened out of that strategy. Go figure the Blazers are only down by 2 when Travis steals the ball at the end of the game.
My point being is that everyone cheers when he makes a tough shot, but they dont see how he has cost the last 8 points on the defensive end and how his general lack of hustle doesnt add anything to the team. Maybe Martell doesnt hit as many big shots as trav, but how often would his play be the cause of the large hole that existed in the majority of the game? How much better are the Blazers doing with consistent hustle on o and d, 6-7 rebounds per game(instead of 0-3) and a general understanding of what helps and hurts a team from the sf position?
Personally I will give Outlaw his props for his best play as of late. He has made better decisions than the past. He hustles at a 5 out of 1-10 instead of a 2 or 3. He’s shooting well from 3….Still can’t wate to have Martell back.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Mar 13, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're going to knock him get it correct
I belive he missed more like 2-3 shots in the final two minutes and had that turn over. He also got his only rebound of the game. Had more than one swat. Played man up D and hustled.
Besides. If Roy were Roy he would’ve been controlling the ball and attacking the zone at the end. Taking a wide open shot with 7 seconds on the clock and bricking is bad. But what else were they going to get? The zone absolutely owned them agains Dallas.
Travis is Travis. A mediocrely (?) paid player with a ton of offensive talent and a ton of defensive/rebounding upside.
He’s a young kid finally finding his niche on a ver young and talented team. I for one am happy to see his improvement as of late and can’t wait to see what he does in the playoffs.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Youre right...
He did do all that— lot’s of drama. As I have posted before, Travis would be BBQd if Roy wasn’t bailing his mistakes out to win games over and over.
My point is— how bout Roy be Roy along with an effective Travis? The Blazers will need BOTH if they want to be better than an 8th seed. Better than what it is is championship ball.
Travis is like a penny stock. Fools gold with wild swings in points up and down…at the end of the day youre probably down most of your money. Wouldnt it be nice to have a stock that doesnt go down wildly so often, praying for a big swing upwards? Please no references to stocks in today’s economy
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Mar 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My point
Is that Outlaw is what he is. A very cheap off the bench offensive weapon. Anything you get on top of that is like a gamely bonus (instead of monthly) rebounds, D…that’s all extra. He’s paid to score and he does that well. Jksnake’s #’s proove he does that well.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The so-called great play . . .
was a reach across Kidd’s body to poke away the ball.
That play is called a foul 90 % of the time in every league
up into the NBA. Even if you get it clean, which is very difficult
to do, they usually still call it a foul.
If you watch the play from Blake, he saw & passed ahead to BRoy.
but the ball was intercepted by a hustling Wright coming from
Blake’s blind spot. It’s kind of like the Batum block in the first half
hustling up from behind. It’s all relative.
It's GO time !
So-called
Did he get the steal? Foul 90% of the time….maybe, but not during the last minute of the game.
Again you miss the point. He’s not on the floor to defend.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is that it's a looooow % . . .
play on defense. I always loved playing against
the low BBIQ guys who would reach and not move their
feet. It’s easy to protect the ball against reachers, tough
to beat those who move their feet. Reaching is a low BBIQ
activity because it usually ends up in a layin, foul or the driver
breaking down the defense and setting up a open man.
I understand TO isn’t on the floor at the end for his defense,
but remember neither was Zbo. The problem was he’d score
25, but give up 30. Always a net loss. I like Travis, but he
has a low BBIQ, it’s a fact. If you want to argue that he’s a very good
offensive player at times, then I would agree.
It's GO time !
March improvement
… from a player rumored to be on the trading block all year but not traded at the deadline is very common in pro sports.
Unless your name starts with “Sergi-”, that is.
good point
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
ouch, we were at 7 recs and are now at 6
I must have made someone mad. :)
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
I picked up the slack for you
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 13, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
that wasn’t a plea for help, but thank you for the rec. I was just curious what led to an unrec.
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by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
You put a lot of effort into this post and you showed an open mind
Someone probably didn’t want to see their post off of the top 5
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 13, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Great Post
I am an Outlaw supporter but I have to say he needs to do this the rest of the year to save his spot in Portland and Even that might not be enough.
One thing is that during this stretch we haven’t seen his best talent, the game winner. Thankfully we have Roy so Outlaw has deffered. If Outlaw stays he really could fill the Robert Horry roll for us as he gets older, he just needs to be more consistent before the final minute. As hawkblogger said, I hope he keeps this up.
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions
You have to realize
What could Travis had been if he would have attended college for 4 years like his friend Brandon(Or even with him at UW :p). Certainly would have made him a much more mentally & physically prepared for the NBA game in comparison. I never was a big fan drafting from HS & was always wary about the Outlaw & Webster picks. But with the addition of Batum, Outlaw seems to be feeding off of his basketball IQ and defensive ability. These last handful have games he has really been giving great effort & producing on both ends of the floor. Something we have not seen from him on a consistent basis.
He still has plenty of room to grow & develop as a player & I think we would be fools to not have him here on our team when he has all star type potential.
Stay Healthy.
Sign Nate Robinson RFA
Win Championship !
Batum is a perfect foil to Outlaw
I never put that together, but Batum is a guy who rarely forces things and seems ahead of the learning curve for someone his age. It’s remarkable that a 19 year old rookie is starting and makes so few bonehead plays.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Mar 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis isn't going anywhere
Part of his value is the fact that he can shoot any time, in any situation with no conscience whatsoever. Maybe it’s low BBIQ, but it translates into him taking shots that no one else has the gonads to take when the Blazers desperately need a basket. And it doesn’t phase him. Maybe he’s not smart enough to be fazed. It doesn’t matter. It’s a priceless quality in clutch time.
Why can't people figure that one out?
$/pt has to be one of the lowest in the league. Am I wrong there?
Maybe $/game winning shot?
It’s all economics and my economic gut tells me Outlaw will be a long time blazer. I have no doubt he would be willing to take less to stay in Ptown. Unless he feels he has an opportunity to be a starter and potential All-Star on another team….he will be staying.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, think about the last game and the shots that Blake and LMA doubleclutched on and passed
off to Outlaw and he took a worse shot. Someone had to shoot the damn thing and Blake wouldn’t do it. Outlaw is the man.
A lot of Blazer's didn't want to take a shot the other night
It was like Wheel’s TV commercial comment all over again. I had his voice in my head the entire time.
That switch to the left hang, clutch and throw up with the right by Roy when he got fouled was sicker than sick though.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm done with this crap
You want to know what is f-ed, and I totally mean f-ed about posts like this, the “feeling sorry for Blake,” and any “Oden vs. Durant” is that it turns into fans either calling themselves or others “Supporters?” As in “the Oden supporters” or “I’m a Blake supporter.” That sucks big time.
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER. That is why I joined this site. I am a fan of the team. It comes down to supporting my favorite team, which coincidentally has all my favorite players on it.
My favorite team with all of my favorite players on it are in a playoff race. I am done reading posts where someone says a player from another team would be better, skips to the offseason, or simply bashes a Blazer’s player after a loss. I am boycotting every FanPost, FanShot and MainPage post that has even a hint of the comments turning into Blazers fans having to call themselves or someone else a “Supporter.” (Not counting SergioFTW)
by Dragline on Mar 13, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
that certainly was not the point of the post
In fact, I mention that we’ve seen a drop in that kind of talk around travis, and wanted to be one of the “haters” who manned up and talked about a great run by Travis. I think it’s noteworthy that Travis has gotten such little press during this run. He deserves some recognition for what he’s been doing.
Lovers and haters have to be happy with how he’s been playing lately.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
There is just too much
If I cut out all the posts that bash Blazers, then I’ll have probably just the right amount to read. I honestly can’t keep up now and there will be plenty of time to talk about trades, compare players, or just bash them after the playoffs.
You get a rec for this
Thanks Tom, it had been on my mind too. It’s the “you’re either with us or against us” mentality, but localized and amplified on a local team level.
It’s one thing to talk about players and strength/weaknesses. But the whole “you support [sergio/outlaw/bayless/etc]? I’m opposed to you!” is nuts. It’s as bad as splitting the country in half over a small number of issues while you all still need to live in the country together afterward.
AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Don't know about BBIQ
but Travis has been a slow learner. Remember how much trouble he had learning the plays when he was a rookie? He had to stay after school with the assistant coaches. He does learn however through repetition. Same with his defense and other aspects of his game..
This is the reason why we should banish the thought of trading Travis. He may have been in the NBA for 6 years but he is still learning and is continuing to get better almost every month. He’s nowhere near his ceiling.
I too like the his fearlessness mentioned above. I also think Travis is the Trail Blazer’s best shooter …. bar none.
#25!
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
Yes...
And he will need 6 years of playoff basketball to learn and contribute properly in the playoffs.
Maybe after 5 Finals appearences he’ll learn how to win in the FInals….hopefully the Blazers dont lose 4 before that happens.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Mar 13, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Tisk Tisk
oh so negative. Anyone here on Bedge would be a slow learner coming into a league with a bunch of Jailblazers on the team straight out of high school.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah,
and basketball wise he wasn’t taught much in high school either.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
yep
You don’t learn much when you can dunk on 5 guys at the same time. I bet his high school highlite real is unreal.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Your comments and attitude belie your moniker.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
that is a personal attack?
It is not as if she used the word “boneheaded”
I AM A PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SUPPORTER.
My comment wasn't directed at you.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Travis
learns in increments. So far, you’re not gonna look at anything and go, “Wow, what a jump!” So long as the organization is cool with that, it’s what you’re gonna get. I think if he gets better and better (like that defensive steal on Kidd) it’ll serve us well in the playoffs.
When I saw "Blowin Up"
The image of Travis’ 300 pound dad John Outlaw came to mind. Travis bulks up and takes enforcer lessons from Joel.
Oh I hope not. I like him agile and quick.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
I can’t be the only one that saw him flash to the hoop the other night and think, “Why doesn’t he do that all the time?”
The guy can flat out FLY when he wants to. He needs to be more proactive in putting the ball on the floor. Period.
Spot up 3’s are nice, but when you’ve got the speed and athleticism he has, taking jumpers is wasting your biggest advantage.
We could live with his occasional defensive lapses if the guy would take full advantage of his offensive skillset.
His one dribble and two dribble jumper
are a thing of beauty. Not using that would waste a very big talent. I can’t remember what game it was. Foye maybe….he broke his ankles on a one dribble jumper. That’s pretty amazing at this level.
by keepfryealive on Mar 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He's continiuing to grow
Once he figures out when to shoot the three, when to fake and go, when to one or two dribble, when to create contact, etc..his offensive repetoire will get him 6th man of the year.
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Seems to me that Travis’ BBIQ gets better as the year go on. Then the process repeats itself every year. Rinse and repeat. I think he’s a keeper though. Come playoff time he’ll be a basketball genius.
He's been great the entire 2nd half.
No if he would start the season the same way. Oh well, can’t have it all.
Outlaw reminds me in many ways of Jack
Not because of similarity of playing styles, but because they are both lesser players who were filling a very important role for our team. With Jack, we desperately needed someone who could get to the line, run the offense and hit some shots so we put up with his ridiculous turnovers and complete inability to run the fast break.
With Outlaw, we need someone who can create his own shot and score in bunches to compliment Roy, and Outlaw does that. We put up with his boneheaded defensive lapses and other glaring deficiencies because he is the best we have at filling the role of secondary volume scorer.
In other words, we all pretty much know what we get with Travis. There is probably an upgrade available out there, but in the meantime he is going to play a very important role for us for the rest of this season and into the playoffs (knock on wood). I’m glad to see him stepping up to the occasion with his improvement in the rebounding department. I’m confident that he’ll bring his A game for the rest of the season, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be sad to see him go this summer.
What if it wasn't Travis
taking all of those shots mid shot clock? If Brandon Roy took a jumper with 14 on the clock, I bet people wouldn’t go crazy. Travis’ shot just looks less natural but it still goes in. That’s all that matters. I used to not like his jumper, but it sure grew on me. I’d rather have him take it than (almost) anyone else right now.
I hope the Blazers decide to keep him. We don’t always need instant gratification. Why trade for a guy that’s a little better now instead of wait and keep Travis and let him keep getting better and better?
Agreed
Why move him when we don’t get something substantially better. Sure those guys score more but most of them took more shots and most couldn’t match Travis’s 3pt%.Admittedly cutting back on wild shot attempts would be nice, but I think you can see Travis has been cutting back on those.
I have to admit though, i like when he knocks down crazy shots…
Travis is the man!
I am a huge Travis fan. This is not new. So I will re-state my opinion. He is a clutch player. Everyone brings different strengths to the floor. This is an intangible that won’t show up in the stats without breaking them down by quarter. It is the sort of ability that can have a golfer down 11 swings at the end of round three and have him win the tournament by three. Most people aren’t clutch players. Brandon and Travis are definitely clutch players. This boosts Travis’ value tremendously. And another thing of note is his drive not to lose. No matter how far behind the Blazers get, Travis is motivated, scapping it out with the drive and energy to get them back in the game. He will get the steal and block the shot. He will get a big dunk and get the crowd into the game. So, his boards aren’t up there. Everyone brings something different to the floor. The coach’s job is to use each player for the optimum performance of the team. Everyone does not have to be best at everything so long as the teamwork has it covered.
by ladygonegrey on Mar 15, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
In the role Travis is currently in
he is awesome and a great fit for us. he provides scoring in a variety of ways and shown improvement in many of the areas that he has struggled with in the past. as long as we keep in mind that travis is a backup, i see no reason not to keep him. if we are searching for a starting sf however…travis is not the answer right now. the question should be if travis is comfortable in his 6th man role when he stated he had all star aspirations last year. kp has said before that it is a lot harder to find players who will accept lesser roles than players who want to be the centerpiece. so if thats the case why get rid of travis or anyone else on our team?
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