LaMarcus - The Underappreciated Blazer?
I’m sure this has been the topic of previous fan posts, and will continue to be the focus of many more to come. However, I can’t help but bring light to the fact that LaMarcus Aldridge is the most underappreciated player on the Trail Blazers.
He’s a lottery pick who has done nothing to convince us he won’t pan out as expected. He has a silky smooth jumper, solid defense, he hits the offensive boards hard and he runs the floor like a gazelle. He has even added a respectable low post game to his repertoire this season.
I’ve heard a lot of Blazer fans complain that Aldridge is “soft” - that he should average more than 7 boards a game or that he is not “assertive”. In my opinion there is little evidence to support those statements. Aldridge finishes with authority around the cup, and his board numbers suffer from the presence of Pryzbilla and Oden, who are almost always in the lineup when Aldridge is on the floor. To call Aldridge soft is to not appreciate the fluency and grace of his game. Aldridge may not muscle other 7-footers under the hoop, but he definitely isn’t the finger rolling type either.
I’ve also heard other fans claim that LaMarcus “disappears” in games. While I see some validity in this theory, I think many fans fail to recognize that it is a lack of touches in the post that often makes it appear as if LaMarcus is not on the floor, not his lack of hustle, desire or ability.
I just wish Blazer fans would show this guy more love – he is a very integral part of our team, he is durable and he is still improving greatly (despite the fact that his stats are nearly the same as last year). LaMarcus has come out of the break scorching hot, and he deserves credit. He has added a respectable low post game to his beautiful jumper and he could potentially bolt the Blazers in 2010 (which I don’t think would happen, but would HATE to see). Roy and Oden are part of the future of the Blazers and deserve thorough discussion. But don’t forget Aldridge. Please.
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He's been great for a couple of months now.
People just don’t love him because they wish he was more of a Brian Grant type than a Sheed power forward. Fans love power forwards who are bangers, jump shooters? Not so much.
by nikolokolus on Mar 1, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LMA complements the two-headed GO/Przy monster perfectly
Power/ finesse frontcourt combos are time-honored. Just look at Maurice Lucas/ Bill Walton. Having both your center and your power forward be primarily inside players is redundant and inefficient.
BTW, LMA continues to work very hard on his game & body. How can any Blazer fan not love this guy? That mystifies me…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 1, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having both your center and your power forward be primarily inside players is redundant and inefficient.
David Robinson and Tim Duncan beg to differ.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but without duncans 15 ft bank shot and outside game
they would not of worked as well. In addition Drob was comfortable on the perimiter so when Duncan went low he could pose enough of a threat too occupy the help D’er
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by SpyderRyder on Mar 1, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted, Duncan was a better inside player than LMA is
But as I recall, Duncan spent less time in the paint during his Twin Towers days than he does now. As SpyderRyder says, Duncan’s outside shot was crucial to making the combo work. If two great power centers were the ultimate twin towers combo, then Wilt and Nate Thurmond would have launched a Warriors dynasty back in the day. But the two players were too similar to be compatible, so the experiment ended after one season.
Duncan and Robinson were one of the all-time great center/ power forward combos. But I think LMA and GO may ultimately be even better. And that’s because of the greater contrast in the two players’ games. While Duncan has always been mobile, LMA is far more so, and LMA has even more range on his shot. Meanwhile, GO in his prime will be considerably stronger than Robinson was. We’re talking a perfectly complimentary twin towers combo—a nightmare in the making for the rest of the league.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love LA and GO
but I have to call shenanigans on GO and LA being better than Robinson and Duncan. You’re talking about a top 10-12 center of all time being paired with the best PF ever. Both our guys are great, but unless each of them hits their absolute pinnacle of possible abilities, they just can’t compare to that.
Also, to throw my 2 cents in, while I think Duncan’s mid range jumper helped their combo, I think a of greater use was the admiral’s general offensive mobility. He was definitely a great low post player, but he never struck as as pure a technician down there as Duncan or, say, Hakeem. He always seemed best to me when he was on the move, whether off a pick, or whatever. A little more of a Dwight Howard type than Z-Bo, to use current players as analogies. With both players able to contribute outside of the post, it allowed them to play alongside each other better.
I love to get excited about our guys, but that’s basically the equivalent of saying Batum will be better than Pippen.
by Royster on Mar 2, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The Admiral had a very-limited back-to-the-basket game. He was more likely to face up and shoot baseline jumpers
This is why it mystifies me why some fans would want to bring Robinson in to tutor Oden. If it’s low-post moves that Greg needs to learn from a Hall-of-Fame big man, Karl Malone would be a better choice than #50
by two4larue on Mar 2, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson's "other" move
was to fake the jumper and dribble-drive. He got lots of foul shots
by two4larue on Mar 2, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA's rebounds are artificially low
After hearing how soft he was, but seeing him dunk, I got curious. I started watching the rebounding—because the numbers appear to say that the team rebounds very well with him in the game. I’d wager if you look specifically at guards getting rebounds it increases dramatically because the majority of the rebounds that LA gets his hands on he tips straight to a guard. The guard is credited with the rebound instead of LMA, but his tips are so spot on that it’s practically a rebound and pass in one motion.
by lurtsman on Apr 1, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken--I'd forgotten how much Robinson used that little jumper
That made the roles of those two guys more interchangeable than GO’s and LMA’s will be. But the topic was whether LMA needs to be a “banger” type in order to be appreciated, and I said no—that the combo of a banger big (GO/ Maurice Lucas) with a finesse big (LMA/ Bill Walton) is a time-honored formula for post dominance. The point being that different skills allow for different roles; you don’t want two beasts down low clogging the lane all the time, and you don’t want two finesse guys getting shoved around.
BTW, I didn’t say LMA & GO would be better than Duncan & Robinson. I said they “may ultimately be even better.” Note the use of the word “MAY.” Keep in mind the youth of GO and LMA; Robinson was a grizzled vet and Duncan had completed 4 years of college ball when the two first stepped on the court together. By contrast, GO and LMA are still in diapers. We ain’t seen nothing yet—just a few glimpses of what might come to be.
But you can be certain that KP drafted GO with an eye towards replicating the Twin Towers he witnessed in San Antonio. He said as much. And from the day GO and LMA started scrimmaging together, they discussed modeling themselves after Robinson/Duncan. I find that very exciting.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, no way will LMA and GO be close to as good as Duncan and Robinson.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad that your Cystal Ball is working - mine is broken
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When you get it fixed
Can you tell me when I die?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 3, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, and ill tell you
if people will ever stop being retarded and trying to proclaim divine knowledge of the future to justify their opinions.
by lurtsman on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just too many connotations with that one
It sounds kind of dirty to me.
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I can sympathize with some Blazers fans being so afraid of the Lakers and Kobe that they don’t say those names. I figure they got it from Harry Potter. What I don’t get is the fans that change his nickname. The nickname other players, coaches, and broadcasters call him because they are scared of Kobe. It’s just two letter, it’s not like saying “LA” three times is going to make Kobe appear like Beetle Juice, Biggie Smalls, or Candyman.
It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's told.
by Dragline on Mar 2, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
…I’m not afraid of the big bad Lakers. See, there I said it and nothing bad is going to hap-
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by SabonisBonus on Mar 2, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
its funny, couse the Lakers are the best team in the west, so we should really try and emul-
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA can get confused with LA
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to pronounce them differend
One is LA and the other is L-A.
by Dragline on Mar 3, 2009 2:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry: I hate that
I know LaMarcus likes “LA” and his teammates use it. But I won’t use those despised initials—even if they ARE easier to type.
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by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cursing isn't allowed on the site.
flagged.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help it.
I hate LA the city and the nick name. I have called LaMarcus LMA from day one and will not stop. I hate hearing the “I love LA” song at the arena. Hey we are in Portland, you know the city of Portland. I prefer LMA as a sign of respect, rather than using LA cuz it is one letter shorter.. I mean I am not afraid of LA the team or the city, I just hate them.
Also its a little like calling Ladanian Tomlinson LT. Sorry there is only one LT and crack smoker that he was he is the only LT. I call Ladanian LDT. It just works better.
by BlazerFanFromDenver on Mar 2, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah all those complaints about Aldridge come from the same guy
You’re beef is with jakesnake99
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He did start the season very slow but that could just be his thing
It’s better to start the season slow than it is to finish the season slow
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah all those complaints about Aldridge come from the same guy
You mean Gavin Dawson?
the MSP boys: “LMA is soft, Oden is soft”
I’d like to see a tag team with Greg/LMA vs. Dawson/Dooing
then we’ll see who’s “soft”
by two4larue on Mar 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not impressed with Dawson.
He’s looking to provoke responses and so his statements seem to be for shock, not realistic.
I’ve stopped listening, so that may have changed, but I used to listen to his show and just had to stop.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oooooooh that would be SO sweet
That might even top the Chuckster’s threat to fight Jay Mariotti and Skip Bayless at the same time.
by c'est bon on Mar 2, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were some heavy expectations at the beginning of this season
but I think he’s shown steady improvement across the board.
It’ll be interesting to see if he can become a dominating force next year. Tonight was a great game from him. Considering Duncan’s relatively poor performance, did we witness a changing of the guard?
by northwestj on Mar 1, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just wish he was as good as Tyrus Thomas.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
The grass is always greener
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
careful
a case could be made that Thomas is better. Thomas is the better defender (the stats show that Thomas gets more steals and WAY more blocks— and I also feel Thomas is subjectively the better defender), the better rebounder and has essentially the same TS% as LMA. LMA’s still the better offensive player for sure— he turns it over way less and produces more assists, and is a legit #2 option whereas I don’t know if that’s true for Thomas. Thomas is also 13 months younger and has shown significant improvement from year 2 to year 3, whereas LMA has not.
I’d rather have LMA, but its a lot closer than you think once you take defense into the equation.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA has a better FG% than TT (by quite a bit on more shots)
Isn’t that your favorite stat?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 1, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't use FG%. I use TS% because it takes FTs into account.
Thomas does a much better job of getting to the foul line than LMA.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still...
You hate LaMarcus shooting jumpers but his FG% is better than the ‘inside’ play of Thomas.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 1, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FG% is an antiquated stat that really shouldn't ever be used
TS% is a much better way to measure the scoring efficiency of a player. The two players are essentially the same in that category.
Like I said, LMA is the better offensive player— he has a higher usage rate, a higher assist rate and a much lower turnover rate. Its also notable that he has the same TS% despite often seeing the other team’s best interior defender (though sometimes Oden draws that guy). Anyone arguing Thomas is better on offense would be a little crazy IMO. However, Thomas is a useful option on O, a better rebounder than LMA, a MUCH better shotblocker and a better overall defender.
On the whole, I’d take LMA because of his superior offense and the possibility that he’ll be able to match Thomas’ D, but Thomas is younger and improving more rapidly so my opinion could change.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aldridge is efficient at shooting jumpers
Tyrus is improving, but nowhere near as good in that part of the game. He excels at getting to the foul line and attacking the hoop because he’s quicker and more explosive than most forwards guarding him. Had the Bulls traded for Brad Miller in October like they should have, his game would be a bit more refined by now, because he’s perfect when paired with a solid offensive option in the high post.
I blame the free-fall in his FG% early in the season on the coaching staff. They continued to run pick and pops with Tyrus when he wasn’t hitting the shot. It was stupid, ruined his early confidence, and they responded by benching him. It took a Gooden groin injury for him to get heavy minutes.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been watching the Bull's box scores all season
TT has shown drastic improvement. You can still go to hell though.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy the 6'11 Ben Gordon!
Though Gordon probably can rebound and defend better :)
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is LMA? Man's nick is "LA"!
Show the at least that much respect!
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Stop trying to make us say dirty words!
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you call him what you like and I'll call him what I like...
LMA makes more sense to me…more distinctive.
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what about LAMA
or maybe LaMa
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by Fund A Mental on Mar 2, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged again
for cursing.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA is several inches taller
He’s a true power forward, whereas Thomas is actually a “tweener” with quick hops.
LMA is greatly underestimated as a defensive player. I’ve rarely seen a 6-11 guy who can switch out onto guards and do as well as LMA does. And Thomas isn’t necessarily a better rebounder. LMA plays with a pair of physical, rebounding centers, so he’s positioned further away from the basket.
Most telling of all: have you noticed the 1 on 1 matchups between these two guys? TT constantly leaps out of his shoes trying to block LMA’s shots, so LMA just feints him into the air and hits. Kinda reminds me of Daffy Duck trying to deal with Bugs Bunny in those WB cartoons. No doubt TT is ultra-athletic. But he has a very low basketball I.Q.; LMA makes him look silly.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 1, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LMA is a very good perimeter defender for a big man
His interior D and his help D both leave a lot to be desired, however.
Honestly, I don’t pay attention to head to head matchups. Deron Williams has gotten the better of Chris Paul head to head but CP3 is still the better player by far.
Again, I prefer LMA, by a decent margin. I’m just saying that I’d be careful about tooting KP’s horn about that trade because TT is already the better defender (in my opinion and the stats that we have agree, though its very hard to statistically measure individual D), has made a much bigger year 2 to year 3 jump, and is 13 months younger.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be very careful about using stats like blocks and steals to measure defense
There are some players who get a lot of blocks and steals who aren’t very good defenders, while conversely there are some very good defenders who don’t get a lot of blocks or steals. I haven’t really seen enough of TT’s defense to get an accurate opinion of him, but I agree with hurryup09 that LMA is a very underrated defensive player. He is by far the most versatile Blazer in terms of who he can effectively guard. Not only is he pretty good at guarding smaller players, he has also had some good defensive performances against much larger players like when he was guarding Yao Ming. Aldridge doesn’t have as big of a defensive impact as he could have if he were a little more active with help D, but he still does enough that I consider him the Blazers’ 3rd best defensive player (behind only Batum and Przybilla).
by trk on Mar 2, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"His interior D and his help D both leave a lot to be desired, however."
I’ll grant you that one. But a lot of the problem is attributable to strength—or a lack thereof. Some guys come into the NBA with NBA bodies, and some don’t. LMA didn’t, but in this important area he clearly HAS improved from year to year. And the stronger LMA gets, the better his interior D—as well as his ability to finish in the paint—will get.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've done the "I cup" trick too
Go ahead, spell it if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where".
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're really earning your flags today!
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Tyrus is so great, why does he play half of LaMarcus minutes?
Riddle me this, Bulls fans. Because Joakim Noah is so scary good? Aaron Gray? (The recently traded) Drew Gooden? The only acceptable reason would be that VDN is a bad coach.
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, I was looking at points this season and over their careers. That’s double. With minutes, it’s not quite, but close.
Proud Odensheeple
by Norsktroll on Mar 2, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty self-explanatory
Vinny is the worst coach in the league. Tyrus has a PER of 19 since January, and there are still games he gets benched for making one mistake.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You wanna be part of the pen 15 club?
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 2:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where".
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA has shown significant improvement from year two to year three.
It is harder to show it on our crowded roster but look at the man’s game.
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That town will never show any improvement.
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have factions
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cue John Adams quote
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
by HurraKane212 on Mar 2, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their is no case
where Tyrus Thomas is better. have you been on blog-a-bull. The fans are practically ready to abandon him, he is terribly inconsitent can’t handle the ball and has no post moves or range. His defense is his strength, but LMA is also a fantastic defender. He is a big that can come out and actually handle the opposing pg for a bit. He does a nice job of affecting shots in the key as well. Sure he doesn’t have 2 steals a game but he doesn’t take the risks TT takes. TT will be decent but LMA is a stud.
by The Natural ala Mode on Mar 2, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his interior defence, particularly, his rotations are dismal
hes great on the parimeter, still gaurds just shoot over him. But he does force a ton of turnovers, and NOBODY better try and get cute with the ball anywhere near him, as they’ll get robbered. LA’s a drty ball theif, not to be trusted, praying on unsuspecting allstar (are you serious? how do you spell allstar?) point guards, watching, waiting.
his on ball with small kids is great, but he just steps out of the way of anybody attacking the basket. I honestly can’t remember him taking a single charge. any one???
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
blog-a-bull is not ready to abandon him— rather, they think Del Negro should give him a lot more minutes. I agree about your evaluation of him (ie the inconsistency, lack of handle, etc), but LMA is not a fantastic defender by any stretch of the imagination. To see what I mean, don’t concentrate on his blocks, steals, or perimeter D. Rather, watch him try to stop someone 1v1 in the post or, watch his help D. All too often, you’ll see stuff like this.
Like I say, I think LMA is significantly better, but I’d be careful of writing Thomas off, especially if he ever gets to work under a good coach.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not writing him off
I think he will be decent…just not stud/cust of all star status.
by The Natural ala Mode on Mar 2, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A good coach won't help
The guy is a certified head case—going back to college, when his coach benched him for insubordination. Just look at that cross-eyed, crazed face. He’s like ’sheed without the smarts.
TT has athletic gifts to burn, but who cares? He’s the type of guy the Blazers drafted back in the bad old days. I admit I wanted the Blazers to pick him, just based on his remarkable talent. I also liked the Stache. Thank goodness KP doesn’t listen to my psychic transmissions.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love the "head case" argument
I guess I should bring up how Aldridge was afraid of the big bad Scott Skiles at a pre-draft dinner as evidence he can never be an All-Star, or a tough guy.
And a college coach benched him for being unruly! Gee, that’s never happened to anyone before! At least say he sucks at basketball to prove your point, these quasi-psychological analyses are awful.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
And so should any Blazer fan after enduring the Whitsitt Era. But some folks still don’t get it. Like Whitsitt, they don’t think “chemistry” is a real factor in on-court success.
BTW, I’m not familiar with the alleged LMA/ Scott Skiles incident. But I AM aware that Skiles rubs many players the wrong way and hasn’t had a lot of success as a coach. One might even suggest that he’s (cover your eyes, Ozzie) a “head case.”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't had success?
Yet has made the playoffs 4 times in his career, with rosters many would depict as marginal. He’s an abrasive douche, but for the first few years on a new team he’s as good as you can get.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Yet has made the playoffs 4 times in his career"
In the East, and it was only one year.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading?
BTW, I’m not familiar with the alleged LMA/ Scott Skiles incident. But I AM aware that Skiles rubs many players the wrong way and hasn’t had a lot of success as a coach.
Once as the coach of the Suns, 3 times with the Bulls. And taking a team that started Michael Sweetney and Andres Nocioni at the forwards to the playoffs is an achievement.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And where is the reports that Tyrus is disrupting team chemistry?
Him and Luol Deng spent all of last summer working out together. Players don’t have to be friends with one another, as long as they play well together.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was that thing with him and Noah?
They went trying at practice or something? Didn’t they get fined?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why do you need to disparage Thomas
He and LMA are both useful players. They are also totally different players. Right now, I’d say LMA is better. It was not a lopsided trade.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was asking a question
He had problems with his coach this season and I can’t remember what it was. The next nice comment you hear about LMA on Blog-a-Bull will be the first. They trash him all the time. Why? Because he is not a Bull. Why do you need to promote and campaign for other teams players? Ozzie and I have a back and forth lighthearted crap flinging contest about our team’s future power forwards. No big deal. Why do I need to disparage Thomas? Cause he is not on our team, so screw him.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why do I need to campaign for other team's players?
to play a little devil’s advocate in attempt to balance out the homerism on BE.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like "the grass is always greener"
It isn’t just Blazer fans who think this group of players is special. Plenty of knowledgable people around the league think this team is going to contend—and soon. Yet some around here—who see the team night in and night out—imagine that it must be a mirage. Very odd.
Maybe that’s a reflection of the fact that Portland hasn’t had a champion for a long time. And no: ‘sheed and company weren’t champions—not even close. That 4th quarter collapse vs the Lakers was no fluke: it was the team’s flawed character manifesting itself. By contrast, this current group of players is not only talented: they have character & chemistry as well. All they need is seasoning.
Homerism? I think not. I just know a perennial contender in the making when I see one, and I don’t second-guess that judgement every time someone on another team has a good game.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 3, 2009 3:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They got fined for eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the locker room
I know I know, next stop crack addiction.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have that lovable cross-eyed, crazed look
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 1, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops--I just recycled that description
Make it “lovable ’sheed-esque personality.”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I'm the resident LMA "hater"
I’ll just say that I thought the first half of the Spurs game was the best half of his career all things considered. Its just one game though. He has to be more consistent. Since the allstar break, he’s had 3 efficient games (LAC, ATL, SAS) and 4 decidedly inefficient games (Mem, @ Hou, @ SAS, @ Min). He deserves credit for rebounding better since the break. I hope it continues.
One thing that has been nice is our team D the past few games. We’ll see if it continues. During the coarse of the season, very passive help defense and some pretty bad 1v1 post defense from LMA has strongly contributed to our defensive problems. He has a lot of defensive potential and he makes some great plays, but he has a long way to go on that end of the floor.
LMA is a useful player and is ok as a 2nd offensive option, though I would rather he eventually be the #3 option, due to his well documented low true shooting %. I don’t take issue with people seeing him as a significant part of the future team, or loving his game, or believing in their heart that he can become great.
I don’t see how LMA can be called “underappreciated” when all but about 4 posters on BE seem to think he’s a future Chris Bosh.
What I take issue with is people comparing him to superstars like Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire. Those players were much more efficient at LMA’s age.
Most great players make “the leap” by their 3rd season. LMA hasn’t done it yet. His numbers are barely improved from last year (TS% is the same; rebound rate, block rate are down; assist rate and steal rate are slightly up; turnover rate is down; PER is up a tick). That doesn’t mean he can’t become great, but its not particularly likely. There are examples of late bloomers, and perhaps LMA will be one. We all hope so. He sure is a fun player to watch.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
All your fancy rate stats
only confuse and frighten me. Obviously your hate rate has risen from last year. =P
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Mar 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
bottom line
he is a mediocre second option and a terrific third option. Hopefully Greg can establish himself as the second option in the next few years.
Then we get my man Iguodala and we are set for a long time.
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by Cablinasian on Mar 1, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always figured when Oden comes into his own
it will really benefit LMA’s game. They can then share 2nd option status (I know this makes no sense).
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Mar 1, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iguodola?
You need shooters on the team, not athletic guys who live off driving to the paint. If we’re being unrealistic, Danny Granger is a better option.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, yes, Granger would be better
but we have enough shooters and we need a lock down perimeter defender.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then sign Artest this summer
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you'd have the fear of opposing teams
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it makes a lot of basketball sense, for sure
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty sarcastic
I don’t really think we can get him.
Look at the Lakers. How much legitimate shooting did they have in their starting unit with Bynu,? Pretty much just Fisher and Kobe.
The Blazers have two 40%+ three point shooters in Roy and Blake. If it works for the Lakers, it could work in Portland.
acquire andre iguodala
by Cablinasian on Mar 2, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always like you're analysis of him despite the fact that I disagree with your final assessment
I think he may always be up and down when it comes to shooting percentage. I think the is because with Oden manning the middle he will spend his offensive career 18 feet from the basket. The only way I see him fixing his scoring effeciency is by either getting good enough handles to take it to the rack or if the team starts to run more because he is a monster on the fast break.
What I really want is better defense and some better rebounding will make me happy to. So on those two counts I agree with you that he has work to do.
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also next season with Oden 2.0...
(Oden 2.0 will be when PA has all of Greg’s weight bearing joints replaced with mechanical super joints)
I want LMA to start averaging more assists, like 4 a game. That high low could be bread and butter but it will be up to LMA to defer to Greg and so far I haven’t seen that from LaMarcus.
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I don’t have a problem with you or others pointing out things that LA has to work on but the whole “leap” thing and acting like it is a blind “believe in your heart” thing to think he will get better is pretty insulting. I think it was you that wrote that we shouldn’t believe what our eyes tell us but look at the stats. Sorry, what I see is a player on the rise. He is becoming more aggressive as the season progresses and hopefully this is the trend as he gains confidence in his game.
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by tssbro on Mar 1, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"when all but about 4 posters on BE seem to think he’s a future Chris Bosh."
Exaggerate much?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 1, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait you mean he isn't the future Chris Bosh?
Bust
There won't be clean officiating in the NBA until David Stern is forcibly removed by the US Congress in 2013 for fixing games.
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Mar 1, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it is an exaggeration
but come on… this offseason people felt the hypothetical Aldridge for the #1 pick (ie Rose) trade was unfair for Portland. People thought LMA for Amare was unfair for Portland. I think its safe to say that he’s not undervalued by the majority of BEdgers. Of course, its hard to measure who is “undervalued” because we don’t know the objective, absolute truth on what his value is.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 1, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An excellent and valid point - trying to define a players true value will always subjective.
Different people place different values on players due to their own biases, and what they perceive as the levels of certain skills, talents and physical abilities of a given player. Nothing wrong with that.
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 1, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is LMA? Man's nick is "LA"!
Show the man at least that much respect!
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where". Nobody repects him more than I do.
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knew Rose would be this great?
If given the choice now, I bet most people would have to go with Rose, as would a lot of people. I don’t think Amare is a great fit on this team. Really. I mean a lot would change with his presence. He takes plays off on defense. He is also the #1 scoring option on the team. With Oden, our game will be built around defense. Lastly, Amare could walk at the end of next year. I can see your points, but I think a lot of times you rely too heavily on stats. Sometimes people make switches and their stats drop way off due to the situation. Some players mature at different times in their careers. The year 2 to year 3 thing is an interesting perspective, but it seems to be the basis of your whole argument. I think he will be a bit better, his frame isn’t like those other guys, but he will bulk up. When that happens, we’ll probably see the steps your looking for.
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by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said
It should also be noted that people didn’t necessarily think LA > Amare. What they though was that LA is a better fit and Amare wasn’t worth renting until he was a free agent. Nobody expected Amare to stay in Portland so most any trade for him was too expensive.
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by Dragline on Mar 2, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"who knew Rose would be this great"
I think a lot of people did.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose still isn't that great
If I had to choose between having either Rose or Aldridge for this year only I would choose Aldridge. Rose is having a good rookie year, but he is still valuable more for his potential than his current ability.
In general I am against the idea of trading Aldridge for a high draft pick. While some top picks end up being pretty good, you could also end up with a player like Bargnani, Olowokandi, or Kwame Brown. Considering the number of players who turn out to be busts, I think Aldridge is actually exceeding the average performance of a #2 pick.
by trk on Mar 2, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I agree with both of those (Aldridge better for just this year, Aldridge is better than a lot of #2 picks)
I just think there was plenty of evidence that Rose was going to be an allstar caliber, potentially great PG. That’s why I was amazed people on this site didn’t like that hypothetical deal. I was definitely in the minority saying it was a clear win for us.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got the draft all figured out then
It’s tough to tell with picks. It was a hypothetical trade anyway, but that’s like taking a proven #2 option as opposed to a shot for a great player or a not so good one. You can’t blame the fans for going with what they got when they got a good thing. Especailly when the last decade of draft picks before ’06 was so dissapointing.
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference between thinking it "unfair" and "not a good trade".
I was against trading LaMarcus for Amare because I felt Amare was not a good fit in Portland and would be gone in a year.
One problem with relying on numbers to evaluate individual players is that it is not an individual competition. They compete as a team and how a player meshes within that framework is equally as important, maybe more so, than how well he performs on an individual stat basis.
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by timg56 on Mar 2, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose
Yeah, I would rethink the Rose vs Aldridge trade at this point. Rose has turned out better than i thought, although I did very little rookie research this year compared to others.
Point Guard over big man, I like the twin towers concept and still lean that direction if they were equally good at what they did. What changes the equation is that Rose and Aldridge may not be equal at their respective positions.
I also like how steve blake runs the team, although we could definitely upgrade at that position. Hopefully Bayless is the answer, but maybe not.
As for amare… no way. Equal value or not, there’s also the psych/attitude aspect, and there’s smoke on Amare’s rep. I’d want all possible problem children FAR away from the developing blazers. When the blazers consistently confront each other and speak up beyond the “yay! we have chemistry” stage, then I might be comfortable adding a problem child because if they act up the PLAYERS would smack them down, not the coach. We’re not there yet.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where".
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or a what and a when. LaoTzi is earning my enmity.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stats can be deceiving
first the difference in scoring is largely because Bosh is a FIRST option, LMA is a second/third, Amare plays with Nash for easy buckets and they average 110 a game(pace is much faster, not that you would account for this when skewing stats.) As far as rebounds go I would say both our bigs have more difficulty rebounding because opposing teams are contstantly pulling our bigs out for pick and rolls at the top of the key. Our poor perimeter defenders are considered a weakness and EVERY team attempts to exploit this. This forces LMA out of the key and away from a lot of rebounds. If you look LMA actually rebounds better than both players on the offensive boards. Give us some perimeter D and you will see those numbers go up. There are no big differences besides those things, they all shoot well from good percentages and put up defensive numbers.
by The Natural ala Mode on Mar 2, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for proving my point about LMA not being underappreciated on BE
I don’t use per game averages. I use pace adjusted, per minute stats like PER, TS%, offensive rating and defensive rating. These do not favor first options. LMA is nowhere near the player Bosh. Interestingly, though, Bosh is having his worst statistical season since his 2nd year in the league. I haven’t watched enough Raps games to know why this is.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Raptors traded away all their support for him...
The thing about the O’Neil trade was that the Raptors gave up a lot to get him. O’Neil is a big name, but the Raptors gave up several players who are better than he is.
There are a bunch of good articles about this on the Wages of Wins blog. Basically, the Raps had seven above average players last year, and they lost three going into this season. O’Neil, although he still scores ad a decent clip, is well below average in terms of productivity.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Mar 2, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
btw, TS% is better than FG% because it takes 3s and FTs into account
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not arguing
statistics validity in principle only that different situations result in different production.
by The Natural ala Mode on Mar 2, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If anything, that further elevates Bosh...
Bosh is the first option, so teams are gunning for him and game-planning to stop him. His usage rate should be higher and his efficiency should go down.
LMA benefits from being the second option most nights, and from getting a number of open looks created for him by Roy. He should be a more efficient scorer as a result.
While PPG should go up for a “first option” guy, efficiency should go down.
So, basically, the fact that Bosh is far and away the best player on his team means it’s that much more impressive that he scores so much more efficiently than LMA does.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Mar 2, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As dave said
Bosh is what we dream LaMA will be.
I may not be a realistic dream.
Like in court rivals I’d like to play out the exact same season with focuses in different stats (or in this case Bosh for LMA) and see what the end result would be. Statistics are pretty, but they have to get REALLY complicated to come close to being able to measure intangible things.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday, Shaq compared Chris Bosh (who'd been whining about the way Shaq plays) to "Ru Paul"
Yet another reason LMA > Bosh.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
true story. LMA is not equal to Bosh, and may never be. The question is he underappreciated and I think he is. LMA has the ability to be better than Bosh now, but will he ever surpass him I am not sure. I don’t think Amare is better than LMA however, his defense is worse and he really doesn’t create for himself much. Bosh>LMA LMA>Amare.
by The Natural ala Mode on Mar 2, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody will ever accuse me of underappreciating LMA...
I LOVES ME SOME LMA!!!!!!!!!!!
My Homerism is centered on LMA. He rarely has a game that is so bad that I will criticize him for it.
Yes, I look at him through Rose Garden colored glasses and I always will.
He is my ma-crush. There I said it.
But don’t get any ideas that it means I am anything other than dyed-in-the-wool heterosexual. I have been loving women for 30 years and I am not about to change that now. I think that my man-crush more closely resembles blatant idolatry.
To me he is a basketball god and my Blazer hero.
I LOVES ME SOME LMA!!!!!!!!!!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 1, 2009 11:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If it means anything
I too love me some LMA. As far as I’m concerned people can stick their stats in a sack.
Hello Dum Dum
by ryryslyry on Mar 1, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is LMA? Man's nick is "LA"!
Show him at least that much respect!
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where" and who made you the nickname god?
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is LMA? Man's nick is "LA"!
Show him at least that much respect!
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
dont stop, this could be the new #25
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PEN15
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 4:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it :-(
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a middle school thing
kids say ‘you wanna be part of the pen 15 club?’ Then you say, OK. They write PEN15 on your hand. Try and write it on paper, without the computer font and make the angles of the 5 a little softer.
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
got it, lol
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LA is not a "who" it is a "where" and who made you the nickname god?
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, this could build to epik proportions
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rekt for blatent homerizm
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some TUFF JUICE!!!
this is a trade deadline thread right?
by Jiggamant on Mar 1, 2009 11:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
These were the same in-game criticisms levelled at Sheed
Love or hate Rasheed, he played hard, averaged ~18 and 8, and he played great D. He led the team in scoring, was a defense leader, yet the loud voices wanted alot more on the court, besides the less they wanted off the court.
Now we have Lamarcus Aldridge. He does not come with the baggage. He is ahead of Sheed fitting in and finding his game. He is consistently improving, through injuries his rookie season followed by heart problems. He is on the cusp of all-star status, and is the #2 player on the team behind 2-time all-star and ROY BRoy.
LA is near the top of the league this season in offensive rebounds, while playing more outside than inside on offense, too! When his stroke is going, we basically win. That is, anything else going right for us on top of LA hitting that smooth shot, and we are pretty much unstoppable. That shot is a great complement to BRoy’s slashing. LA draws out the opposing bigs and frees up the paint. And he is going to the rim more, it is plain to see. I love to watch him roll across the lane this season with that baby hook.
LA will get to an all-star game or three. If all in the way is David West, LA will get by him.
NOW: How about showing him some love and calling him by his team-accepted nick of “LA”?
by LaoTzu on Mar 2, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Show him respect
Now we have Lamarcus Aldridge.
Its LaMarcus Aldridge.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 2, 2009 2:21 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 3:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheed was fine (apart from the headcase)
The issue was the team wanted him to be the leader, and the guy wasn’t. He was the third man, and that’s what he wanted.
Not sure that LMA is really close to all star status though. I’d want to see more from him before I’d go there.
Love is shown by not insulting the guy with curses.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA! LMA! LMA!
It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.
by einman77 on Mar 2, 2009 4:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA! LMA!
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LAMA!!!!
LAMA for my LLAMA
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest thing going for LaMarcus
is that he has as much potential for improvement as any big man in the league right now, bar none (that includes Greg). LMA has developed into an unstoppable fastbreak artist and has probably the best pure midrange jumper on the team outside of Roy. I think LMA is a top 6/7 player at his position, behind only Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Amare, Bosh and whoever Jerry Sloan inserts into his starting lineup. People that have trashed LMA need to recognize that both he and Brandon have accomplished their offensive games within one of the least complex offenses in the league. That puts more of an onus on our guys to beat players in isolation/postup or to pick and pop, which makes points more difficult to come by statistically as compared to when you put in wrinkles like curls or cuts. We also don’t fastbreak much, which handicaps Lamarcus further. So considering all these offensive handicaps, I’d consider it surprising that we get the production that we’re getting from him. And as far as the rebounding is concerned, the team is one of the best offensive boarding teams in the league, and LMA is a huge part of the reason for that (with due credit given to Joel and Greg for being extremely tough box out assignments). But regardless, boards don’t clean themselves, somebody’s got to grab them, and LMA has done a good enough job of it given his current style of play and his role in our offense and defense.
by premthegrem on Mar 2, 2009 5:31 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
i agree
like you say, “boards don’t grab themselves,” and LMA, yes LMA, again LMA, has really glimmered without Oden in the lineup and “stepped up” as Mike Rice is always preachin’.
Imagine Lamarcus playing center on a team like NY or GS! He would get be putting up Biedris/Lee type stats. The guy would have crazy numbers, but I’d rather have him just play more efficient and make smart plays and helping our team win games than be a stat floozy on a really fun, but loosing team; wow, i sound like a spurs fan, oh well, i do drive a toyota camry.
by appel82 on Mar 2, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the biggest fan of LaMarcus in AMerica!
It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's told.
by Dragline on Mar 2, 2009 5:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
BTW: where the heck is the REAL America?
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA - LA - Kiss my A
Good points all, well most anyways. I think the best descriptions of Aldridge, (not so subtle dodge of controversy), is that he is inconsistent but potentially unstoppable. He is a jump shooting power forward, who is 6’11". He has the speed to cut and run the break, as well as keep up with faster players on a pick and roll switch. His length gives him an advantage defensively, if he is smart enough to use footwork and timing to his advantage.
But the most valuable aspect of Aldridge’s game has nothing to do with HIS statistics. His variety of skills can create terrible mismatches for just about any team in the league. Mismatches disrupt defense, they make players sacrifice position and double team. When that happens Brandon Roy goes from All-Star to Superstar. When that happens role players like Blake, Rudy, and Outlaw are emboldened. When that happens, we beat teams in 24 minutes instead of 48.
Like it or not, Greg Oden hasn’t developed yet. He’s too young, has has too many set backs, and hasn’t mastered the NBA game. I believe he will eventually, and when he does we will be unstoppable. But not because he will supplant Aldridge. It will be because instead of two players who require a double team, we will have three. I believe Aldridge is that kind of player now in terms of skill, he just needs to have a more aggressive attitude about winning.
I see a good change in Roy. He’s hungry, he can smell the playoffs, and he knows that there are other teams who want to deprive him of his meal. Aldridge needs to get that same hunger. Beating the Spurs shouldn’t come from a battered ego, or a home crowd’s cheers. It should come because you’re not letting anyone stand between you and victory, regardless of circumstance. That’s how WINNERS play basketball, that’s how Jordan played. When we play in that frame of mind, we WILL win rings. Period.
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by mjm6783 on Mar 2, 2009 6:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
THIS
is why i’d want to redo the season with Bosh to see how the team record stands.
I believe LMA is more valuable than the personal stats, but that can be hard to prove without a change in the team involving a removal of LaMA.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA has improved a lot this year
Still shoots too many j’s, still doesn’t always go 100%, but he’s made great strides.
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by leeroyjenkins on Mar 2, 2009 6:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LMA is underappreciated around here?!?
The idea that LMA is UNDERappreciated among Blazer fans is like saying cheese is underappreciated in Wisconsin. Hilarious.
Look, did LMA play a heckuva game last night? Yes. Yes, he did. He was great.
Has he played that way most of the season? I don’t think I need to answer that.
As others have detailed above, LMA generally hasn’t looked much better this year than he did last year. He’s yet to make “the jump.” He doesn’t rebound well. He doesn’t score efficiently. He doesn’t force regular double teams down low because he doesn’t go there enough.
Those are facts.
He’s showed improvement lately, as his jumpers have looked better and he’s drawn more fouls. That’s promising, for sure.
But to say he’s underappreciated amongst a community that laughed at the mere suggestion that he would be included in a deal for Amare? The same Amare who’s a six-time all-star at the age of 26?
I’m not saying that deal should have been done… but at worst, LMA is fairly rated around here. At. Absolute. Worst.
Hopefully the game last night was the beginning of something great. Hopefully he makes the “jump” down the stretch and into the playoffs and becomes a legit all-star candidate next year. Hopefully.
But he’s not there yet.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Mar 2, 2009 8:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree about LMA not looking better this year
The all star talk also had me shaking my head as he’s not there. I’m bummed he isn’t, because my expectation was that he would be. He started attacking the basket at the end of the last season, and i htought that would carry over. It didn’t. Now it’s the end of the season and he’s doing it again.
Don’t really know what to say. i think the potential is there, but I’m not sure that LMA will reach what I think that potential is. I don’t know if the coaches want his potential to be what I’d like it to be. I DO think LMA is a great fit for this team and that he’s still extremely young. I do believe we’ll see much more out of him.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Mar 2, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
I get the seventh rec.
Hmmm. Sounds like a bad myspace band.
Great post though. I love LaMarcus’ game. I was surprised Nate didn’t mention him in the post-game. His running the floor put pressure on the Spurs, and tired out their creaky old legs.
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by haildablazer on Mar 2, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A Moneyball Issue
“Silky smooth” and “runs like a gazelle” are attributes that describe players whom we assume are contributing dramatically because they look so athletic. But a lot of LMA’s silk-like and gazelle-like qualities have not translated into points scored (or opponent’s points not scored.)
If basketball were a beauty contest, LMA would be one of the game’s top five power forwards. Up until the past month, he wasn’t among the top ten. This month, he probably has been.
For LMA to take us to the finals one day, he has to get inside more. If his FTA’s go up, we know he’s heading in that direction.
No one underappreciated him last night because no one had any reason to. But it’s easy to underappreciate 15 points, seven rebounds and four free throw attempts from your power forward who is supposed to be your number two option. Those aren’t number two option numbers.
by Hulk on Mar 2, 2009 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He plays no defense, doesn't rebound, and doesn't score efficiently.
Just why are we supposed to rate him higher? He’s the most overrated guy on the team.
by howlingfantods on Mar 2, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
underrated
Among Blazer fans he is the most underappreciated Blazer. I laughed out loud at Blazersedge giving the first third of the season MVP award to Przybilla. I love Ghostface as much as the next guy but….MVP? Hahaha! I think people might be a little spoiled by Roy’s especially quick development into a perennial all star. So sick of the Blazer fanbase nitpicking.
by nlj on Mar 2, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that was MVP besides Roy
and Joel absolutely deserved it. LMA was pretty terrible the first month of the season.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and...
if we did MVP besides Roy again now, I’m pretty sure LMA would win. I’d have to think hard about my vote but I’d probobly still go with Joel— our D is 18th best in the league and without him it would be a lot closer to dead last.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty terrible?
I’m fully aware the MVP meant second most valuable to Roy. Aldridge had a couple of atrocious shooting games during the first month but he also consistently scored in double figures. When did 16 pts and 7 rebounds a game start meaning “pretty terrible”. Of course we were well into December when the voting occured. In December he put up 18.6 points a game and his shooting percentage went up to right around 50. That’s nothing like terrible. While I like Przybilla and think he’s had some terrific games, Aldridge is and was our second best player. 5th among power forwards in offensive rebounds per game by the way ahead of Duncan, Bosh, Stoudemire and West. 10th among power forwards in points per game ahead of Lee, Garnett and Millsap.
by nlj on Mar 2, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He plays a lot better than most 23 year old big men.
He would be a rookie this year if he stayed in college. Quote it, At 25 LaMarcus Aldridge will be quite Duncanish.
by Thadius on Mar 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
in his rookie year, Tim Duncan (who at the time was 21 months younger than LMA is now)
was already a much more efficient scorer— at a greater usage rate—, much better rebounder, much better passer and much, much better defender than LMA is now. The only thing LMA does better is limit TOs.
You just embarrassed yourself.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So your saying all players develop at the same rate?
Did duncan go to college for…
…oh 4 years. Which was his point.
Did duncan have heart surgery, missing like half of his rookie season?
Granted, Duncan is a hall of famer, where Aldridge isn’t on the Olympic or All Star team yet, but you can’t say he won’t get their.
Although Thadius may have not backed up his claim with any evidence, all he said is he’ll be “quite Ducanish” you didn’t really provide much to back up your claim either.
by appel82 on Mar 2, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
duncan always tried hard on defense.
LMA rarely tries at all anymore.
It actually makes me sad.
by howlingfantods on Mar 2, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"rarely tries at all anymore"
i’m not sure we watch the same team.
he may not always make the ‘best’ decision on the pick and roll, etc. but he’s still trying. that’s just poppycock.
by appel82 on Mar 2, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, not even I would go *that* far
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's just getting into the realm of silliness
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Mar 2, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, that's not accurate and I berate LMA as much as anyone.
It’s more accurate to say his picks his spots.
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by leeroyjenkins on Mar 2, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, you guys caught me,
I exaggerated.
But there is a bigger gap between the defense he plays and the defense he actually produces than any other guy on the team. His unwillingness to play interior help defense just kills our defensive rotations and no one ever seems to call him out on it.
by howlingfantods on Mar 2, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow nice writing.
That was supposed to be “bigger gap between the defense he’s reputed to play and the defense he actually produces”.
by howlingfantods on Mar 2, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't provide much to back up the claim?
I cited the best available sabermetric stats which show that Duncan as a 21 year old rookie was an immensely better player than LMA is now. That doesn’t prove LMA won’t become Duncan (it doesn’t prove LMA won’t become the greatest player ever for that matter) but it gives pretty good evidence.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty good evidence
whoah, whoah, whoah, sabermetric stats, i’m just a caveman, i though i outlived all those sabermetric tooth tigers!?!

by appel82 on Mar 2, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was more the fact that you said
You just embarrassed yourself.
to that dude, just kind of a mean thing to say is all.
by appel82 on Mar 2, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So one of the best, if not the best, power forwards of all time was farther along than LMA is now?
After four years at Wake playing college ball?
You proved something there, thats for sure. Not sure exactly what it was lol.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Mar 2, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WoW, a lot of hate for our own players
BTW, I did say “Duncanish” which can mean a lot of things. I didn’t say he was going to be the next Tim Duncan but has the potential to have a similar type of game, hence “quite Duncanish.”
However, I am amazed at how much ire there can be for such a young kid. I can only imagine if we had kept Tyrus Thomas, would that make you happy? What happened to let the player develop or the fact that LMA doesn’t need to be the next Tim Duncan for the Blazers to win the championship.
I think some people have lost some perspective and quite frankly the only person that should be embarrassed is you for being rude.
by Thadius on Mar 2, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sorry, I was rude
I have no ire towards LMA at all— I like the guy— I just hate it when people flagrantly overrate their favorite teams’ players.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Mar 2, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No harm done
However, that is why we are FANatics.
by Thadius on Mar 2, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciate
the way he has been slamming the crap out of the ball lately. i think he may have surpassed greg on the dunkometer. its close. now if we can get channing to follow suit alittle more we will be tough.
by riccc_l on Mar 2, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
???
LA leads the team by a few
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly?&1:col1=4&start_row=251
whats bad is how much more playing time LA has had over Oden
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn who'da thought I'd be a LMA defender??
Yeah he shoots too many j’s and picks his spots but I’ll take him with no statistical analysis to back up my position…again.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Mar 2, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the dumbest threads ever. Good enough start, but it went straight to O-Live hell. LaoTzi, take a bow.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Mar 2, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep that's right timbo - you just let us BEdgers know if there is anything else that we can do to make this thread or any other thread just as stupid as possible! :)
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by LaMarvelous on Mar 2, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LaoTzi
was pretty over the top.
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by HurraKane212 on Mar 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, LaoTzi was my favorite part of this thread
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 3, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not worth reading
Until Timbo calls it dumb.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 3, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA
leads a lot of +/- metrics and I think he has a Shane Battier esque effect that doesn’t show up in the box score. He tips a lot of boards to guards, he pulls opposing big men off the glass, he doesn’t turn the ball over or foul very often, he is very good at defending smaller players, he spreads the floor and opens up the paint, he is an excellent offensive rebounder, he runs the floor, he is starting to add savvy vet “up’n’under” moves to get to the line and he is just now beginning to spin toward, rather than away from the paint.
LMA came in as a project and has done very well. I will take a consistent 18/8 any time, though by spinning toward the hoop and not having to switch onto pgs as much, I bet we see him average 20/10 in 2 years.
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by HurraKane212 on Mar 2, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Continued Consistent Improvement in all facets of his game
Aldridge has been doing this… continued consistent improvement in all facets of his game and we can’t hope for anything more out of all of our young guys.
By LA doing this, he is leading by example. While B-Roy is undoubtedly the team leader, LA is leading by example and letting his game translate on the court.
I believe in coach Nate and company to continue helping rising stars like Aldridge, Roy, and Oultaw, heck our entire roster, to get better and improve time after time…. There are not many teams that actually work on developing their youngin’s. This is why I believe in players like Oden and Martell too, this staff is too damn good at developing young talent for any of us to simply give up and say trade these dudes now.
by Portland Dynasty on Mar 3, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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