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Game 49 Recap - Blazers 93, "Thunder" 102

Boxscore

[You can read Dave's halftime recap here.]

General Observations

The lede for every game story will be the slow start so I went back to watch the first quarter to see what happened.  Amazingly, at just before the six minute mark it was tied at 14.  While the team was definitely being outhustled on both ends of the court, Roy and Aldridge were hitting enough to keep the Blazers even.  

Six minutes later, the quarter ended with the score 37 to 25.  For that six minute stretch, the team was outscored 23 to 11; that was the ball game.

So what happened during those six minutes?  First: the Blazers rotated like usual, bringing in Bayless and Przybilla, followed by Outlaw and Fernandez.  The "Thunder" left Durant in the game. Problem one: Bayless played out of sorts and out of rhythm. Problem two: no one on the second unit can check Kevin Durant.

Problem three: Kevin Durant realized this and absolutely caught fire.  When a player as talented as KD catches fire, there's not a lot you can do about it. In the first quarter alone he hit an assortment of runners, a ridiculous banked-in and-one during which he lost handle of the ball on the way up, a long jumper that was completely net, and then a 3 pointer for good measure.

Keep in mind: stars do these things and every team knows that.  In fact, the Blazers' gameplan certainly allowed for the fact that KD might catch fire.  I mean, he does it almost every night.  But the gameplan also certainly suggests ways to overcome this: play balls out from the get-go to avoid letting Durant set the tone and gain confidence, don't allow easy buckets for his teammates, run the offense to get easy baskets on the other end, and make Durant work on defense.  Did the Blazers do any of those things in the first half?  Absolutely not.  0-4. Total failure to execute.    

The bloodbath continued in the first seven minutes of the second quarter and the "Thunder's" lead was 20 points after a Jeff Green dunk made it 50 to 30. At that point it was completely over except for another 90 minutes of wacky arena sound effects.  On a night where a superstar-caliber player is hot and his team holds a 20 point lead, the Blazers are not coming back: the pace of their offense simply doesn't allow it.

The fact that the Blazers "didn't give up" and played hard throughout the stretch tonight means little to nothing. Sand-bagging the first half only to "turn it on" is worse than coming out hard and blowing a big lead.  You shouldn't need a 20 point deficit to motivate you to put forth max effort.  If you want to make the playoffs, play like you want to make the playoffs!!!!  Every quarter counts!!!  Every minute counts!!! Every possession counts!!! Establish DEEP POST POSITION and take the game to them!!!  Show up like you want to win the game!!!

Sorry. Did it sound like I was ranting in that paragraph?  I'll stop.  I was transcribing Nate McMillan's twitter feed during the locker room postgame.

But let's not sell the "Thunder" short.  They did exactly what you're supposed to do against a team that doesn't show up: score, score, score, win the battle on the glass, and pass the rock around.  23 assists on 40 made field goals.  50% shooting (despite very mediocre 4th quarter shot selection from Durant).  Only 12 turnovers to the Blazers' 13, despite their frenetic pace.

In the end, that all added up to a 102 to 93 loss.

My guess is that the mood among the coaching staff on the plane tonight includes the thought: "we are very, very lucky to come back from this trip with a W."  I hope the discussion also contains thought of making some changes.  

Because tonight was an eye-opener. 

Individual Observations

At this point in his career, Greg Oden doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph with Kevin Durant, let alone the same sentence.  One is a polished, all-purpose threat who plays with a joy for the game, confidence and passion, doing everything from knocking down pull-up 3s to blocking Joel Przybilla shot attempts.  The other can't stay on the court for a week straight and has made zero adjustments, mentally or physically, to give his coach a reason to play him.  Nate has temporarily lost confidence in him.  And Greg knows it.  That's a vicious cycle for someone with Greg's demeanor.  Greg's roller coaster rookie season continues.  The truth hurts.

Brandon finished with 32 but was unable to inspire his teammates during the first and second quarter.  I love his no-quit in the second half but part of being an elite basketball player is leading the charge to stomp on weak teams early.  Brandon plays like he is uncomfortable with Sergio at the point (through no real fault of Sergio's tonight).  Earlier Dave wrote that he wishes Blake was back.  During halftime, Brandon submitted that post to Ball Hype because he totally agrees.  That's an unhealthy backcourt dynamic that's starting to show itself.

LaMarcus couldn't miss tonight but he ended up being outscored by Jeff Green and, combined with Collison's 21 and 13, that added up to the Blazers being totally out-played around the basket.  

Batum had two beautiful blocks and hit a 3 ball.  Playoff teams get more than that out of their starting 3.  He should have gotten more minutes tonight to help slow down KD but the big deficit kept him on the bench in favor of the scoring lineup.  He also got tricked by KD on a nifty sweep-the-arms move early in the game, which produced a funny facial expression for the camera.  

Outlaw was hitting his shots and got plenty of run in the second half as the Blazers tried to climb back into the game.  He had a sensational psuedo-dunk that made Shavlik Randolph getlowgetlowgetlow on the bench.

As mentioned, Sergio kept the game even during his first half stint and had a very nice assist to Brandon for a corner 3.  One of those plays where you ask yourself, "how in the world did Sergio see him?"  Unfortunately, that was his only dime on an evening when the Blazers needed him facilitating and getting easy buckets.  Sergio had six rebounds, tripling Greg's total.

Przybilla didn't get his full run because Nate went small.  He shot 1-4, more evidence that his wrist is hampering him more than he's letting on.  2 points, 5 boards, little defensive impact.  

[Late add: Jerryd was thoroughly outplayed by Earl Watson on both ends of the floor.  He couldn't get a shot to fall, couldn't get the team into the offense and couldn't provide a transition spark.  3 points on 3 free throws, 2 assists, 1 turnover.  It was a night where his weaknesses were on full display.]

Rudy had 3 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 steals in 23 minutes.  He was 1 of 5 from distance.  He took a single 2 point field goal attempt.  I will leave it at that.

Ike, Shav and C-Frye didn't play.

Final Thoughts

The "Thunder" shot so well they broke one of the nets.  Then they stood around and laughed during the lengthy time out as the net was fixed. The joke was on the Blazers.  You probably weren't laughing.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) 

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Awww what the hell!

I was just kidding about having to take these guys seriously!

Damn it, go out for happy hour one friday and they blow it to the freakin thunder?

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

It was pretty funny

watching TO try to guard him

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

funny...

if you like watching a pregnant elk get surrounded by 8 wolves in Yellowstone Park…

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

At times

it was like TO would just stand there and think "hey, that is Kevin Durant’ – and then Durant was at the rim.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

We lost this game due to lack of preparation by the coaching staff

60-40 at the half? Why? Fast break points? Why? Because the Blazer’s weren’t set defensively.

They were trying to match up with their own men against a running team. It wasn’t working, they adjusted, and they easily won the second half. But you can’t spot teams in the NBA 20 points and win (unless their star player goes down and demoralizes them) every night.

by baduk on Feb 6, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Happy Durantiversary!

Is Durant going to be the next MJ and do filthy things to us 4 times per year (plus the playoffs)???

Is Ben going to move to OKC and become the Bob Greene (who wrote Jordan Rules and other fine books)???

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

I see Sergio on the way out...

and I’m a big fan of his. But, there are so many other teams that need a backup PG, and with Bayless on our team, Sergio is pretty valuable.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions  

Bold thing to say

when I’m watching Bayless “defending” Earl Watson, my vote for worst rotation player in the NBA this season, look like an allstar.

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean

after Blake is back. We need Blake.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope we get Blake & Marty back...

…after the All Star break, to finish out the regular Season, get ready for the Play Offs & have two less Rooks on the court.

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Marty....

man, I was never a huge fan of his, but I am begging him to get back ASAP!

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

MarWeb and Blake will solve nothing

This team needs to go back to the beginning. To get beaten this badly speaks volumes about how BU-GGLY our defense is right now. NO All Star for this team!!! They need to learn what DEFENSE means! IF, you cannot defend any better than that, you do NOT deserve the all-star game, let alone the playoffs!
You are Paid to play this game PROFFESIONALLY, TRY acting like a proffesional team!
If I misspelled words, WHO CARES! Learn to play the game like a pro. Enough excuses, JUST DO IT!

If you have nothing constructive to say about someone, I prefer that you say nothing at all.

"If Jumping to conclusions, Kicking others when they do not do well and Launching into senseless tirades were Olympic Events, some people around here would be Medal Contenders". Me

by coastrider on Feb 6, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I CARE!

When i post misspelled words but what can a poor boy do?

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 7, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

how would that help? Bayless, our second string guy

looks to be getting destroyed by earl watson, their second string guy.

I’m only partway through the second quarter though. Drinking heavily. God. Aw. Ful.

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots

of PGs are now injured, the cost of obtaining a good backup (and dare I say a starter) PG is going up. KP knows this, and Sergio’s value has went up. We have 3 decent PGs, a lot of teams only have one…. supply and demand….

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

When Nate convinced the whole world

(or the whole world convinced Nate) that Travis was a suitable SF and Oden needed to start it was great as long as everyone continued to believe. Now the illusion is shattered. Martell’s our only real NBA quality SF and we miss his shooting, his speed, his defense and his controlled play. It’s too much to ask from Batum and he’s simply overwhelmed. Travis is just a whirlwind, full of power but totally unpredictable. Greg is not currently NBA starter material, period. He’s got all the tools but he’s full of himself. It’s time to start the best center on team and bring the kid in off the bench where he belongs. You smell Larry Miller and KP behind the decision to start Oden. Bad, bad move. It’s also not right right to blame Sergio for this slump in Steve Blake’s absence. He’s just not the right kid for this team. It’ll be clear when Steve returns just how out of place Sergio really is on this team. Nate’s done what he had to do with the players he’s got. It was a great trick while the illusion lasted but now everyone gets it. It’s time to come up with something new, or something old, like last year’s starting lineup. It’s our best shot this year barring a blockbuster trade.

by oregonslee on Feb 6, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

very good points

I agree.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

When did Martell become a "real NBA quality SF?"

I don’t think that Webster has done anything to prove that he is better than Batum or Outlaw.

by trk on Feb 7, 2009 2:01 AM PST up reply actions  

How about we pass Greg the damn ball?

Joel gets the ball more than Greg does.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 7, 2009 3:54 AM PST up reply actions  

For real… what is the Shaq quote about feeding the dog so he’ll protect you? Seem to apply. Get Greg the ball and get him interested in the game and then see what he does.

by danielfarrell on Feb 7, 2009 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I've got no problem with Durant.

He’s a hell of a player. Of course, he looked like the same player he was last year but then he miraculously got a new coach who knew how to utilize him to the best of his abilities..

And then he played us and we went into a zone defense when he was on the floor and has been shooting 42% from three point land this year. It was fun times.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

from what I saw

It looked like that net just actually came lose. If so, I’m not sure why they had to take the old one down and put a new one up. They could have just fixed the old one. Maybe to extend the momentum?

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

Nate seems to destroy a lot of players confidence

A little bad play and out they come and into the doghouse. Nate needs to learn how to pick those up when they are playing bad and let them play through the bad stretches once in a while. As I said in my fanpost, I don’t care about the playoffs if we aren’t developing our players. We aren’t at this point.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

He is like a clock

At six minutes, you know exactly who comes out and who comes in. On one hand that is a good thing since it brings consistency. On the other hand, even mediocre coaches can play quite well for that. We are not surprising nobody. If we reach the playoffs, when as Dave likes to point out good teams have the time to plan how to take away your scoring option A (Roy) and B (make LaMarcus into a jump shooter), God help us if we play as predictable as that plus continue to blow basic defensive principles.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 6, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes a little flexibility would be nice

We were tied at the six minute mark, Greg only had one foul so why not try to at the very least build up his endurance? At six minutes he isn’t going to get the stamina to compete for 35 at this rate.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Depends. Look at Utah. Everyone and their momma knew they were going to run

the pick n roll. Problem was, they ran it with such precision, you couldn’t stop it.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 6, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I need the PTB in the Play Offs

The games are televized Man!

I do not want to be left out for another year. At least give me four games. I need this & I need it this year.

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 6, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

I think we need to just take the lumps that might come with letting players develop. Let them play an learn. i’d rather be more prepared and seasoned at the playoffs and be an 8 seed —then be a 4 (or even a 3) and get bounced by a lesser team easily in the 1st round because we haven’t addressed anything.

I really feel like we could have just kept trying to force it in to Greg or LMA. Seemed like the thing to plan for against an undersized team. Even if that faile, I don’t see how it is being any worse than being down 20pts whe nwe don’t do that.

I don’t mind losing as much as I mind losing the same way every time.

-on a side note— it seemed to be a little extra heated tonight during the game posts. Frustrations abound I guess.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

ODEN??? What is wrong with you?

Just when I thought you were putting it together you turned around and decide to fall apart again.

by EazyRider on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

The cake is a lie

With that said, no need to completely panic or drop our pants here. The team’s deficiencies has been documented well before this game. Its about the Blazers maximizing our assets and not sit on them like the Chicago Bulls. I’m willing to trade any player except Roy and Oden. A defensive player and a PG would be a good start. Some external coaching help as well.

The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.

by blzrfan on Feb 6, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

Add LMA

to that list of “don’t trade”

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Bosh is tempting

Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around

by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Bosh would work out real good here

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I drop trow every night.

Then I put on my jammies and go to bed.

by MiledAnimal on Feb 6, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If my bed could talk...

…it would say, “Dude, you can take a pill for that now, you know.”

by MiledAnimal on Feb 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

as far as Oden

I want him around, but man he needs the minutes and action man. i’d rather him foul out than toss him on the bench for the rest of the game anyway. Same difference right?

If we aren’t gonna commit to that ,might as well trade him and let him be Jermaine O’Neal2. That would be really irratating.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

Just let him foul out and get the experience. I don’t understand the sitting so much.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate when Nate sits Oden

Unless Joel is just killin then play the kid. Feed him the ball and make him get better. I htink they need to be more forceful about incorporating him into the offense in order for it to be more natural later on.

by EazyRider on Feb 6, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What do we do

with the other 43 minutes?

If you have nothing constructive to say about someone, I prefer that you say nothing at all.

"If Jumping to conclusions, Kicking others when they do not do well and Launching into senseless tirades were Olympic Events, some people around here would be Medal Contenders". Me

by coastrider on Feb 6, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

totally off topic...

but my son has been in Taiwan the last two weeks visiting and said they have the NBA games on there on a sports channel. He’s been able to watch a lot of Blazer games while over there, although the time difference (they are 13 hours ahead of us) makes it a little hard at times.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

He said

there are a lot of native Blazer fans over there, and they know who Greg Oden is – but not so much Brandon Roy.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

i wouldn’t have guessed that. i wonder how long it is until we see a SE asian nba’er.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Danny Granger had a visit to Indonesia that Cornrows talked about at length

But it looked like their standards were still very low. Can’t see anyone outside of China at the moment. The Philippines have rather regressed than progressed since the time when NBA oldies went there to end their careers. Same with the J-league.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 6, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

Ming counts as one… Yi, Ha, and a couple others… haha

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I missed the SE part of your comment...

oops

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I lived there for a year

They love them some baseball and basketball (J-league and US)

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 6, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

some Taiwan sports channel (thing a version of ESPN). They also had the super bowl on while he was there and he woke everyone up in the house yelling because he is a big Steelers fan.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sort of related --

I checked out the BE sitemeter during the game. Blazers Edge had on-line visitors from:

US, Spain, Japan, China, Philippines, Venezuela, Hong Kong, Germany, Australia, New Zealand, Finland, Mexico, Peru, Turkey, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Norway, Palau, Indonesia, Poland, and some unknown/misc. sites.

by Corvid on Feb 6, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

How raw was outlaw dunk and how can i see it again?

as far as game goes, we got nutted on

"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "

best one liner i ever heard.

by bowdown on Feb 6, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

i would put it up but the game wasnt in hd so quality would be crap… it was pretty wild, he lost control and kind of superman’d it in like dwight howard did. he was way up there.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, is it just me or are we kind of looking like a bad chemistry team?

No communication on defense, nothing but guys yelling at each other for mistakes. Has this been happening for a while and we haven’t been noticing?

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions  

More Like Bad Coaching

Switching on over 80% of plays will do that to any team.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

the point about maybe Roy and Sergio not working together so well might have some merit. But then again, It sometimes looks like Roy doesn’t work well with Rudy also. How many times at the end of the game was Rudy begging for the ball and it never came his way, as Roy tried to drive with the ball. I love Roy, but sometimes….

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah Rudy was open several times

and Travis and Brandon both forced it. Did you see Rudy jumping up and down at on point.

It’s no wonder he chucked it with guys in his face when he finally got the ball, he probably thought he might not get another pass.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Rudy was waving his hands and begging for the ball at the end, “Vota me, vota me BRoy”

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you seen Rudy's shooting lately?

I’m glad Brandon is freezing him out (if that’s what is really going on)

by nikolokolus on Feb 6, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy was 1 for 6 tonight?

You really think he should’ve been the go to guy?

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

when you are down

by 10 or so with 2 mins left you go with the outside shooters. You can’t trade baskets.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

We had several opportunities

I think with about 2minutes to go OKC had only scored 15pts in the 4th. This is their regular procedure. We blew Fts, layups, and had stupid turnovers.

I don’t care if Rudy was 1-5 at that point . If he is wide open with a 3 FT raiuds of space,m I give him the ball instead of Forcing it into 3 people. Shooters shoot themselves out.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

and

Roy was 12-27 – that’s not so good either… but they needed points

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

and

when you have a guy (Rudy) who is well known for 3’s, standing behind the line with nobody within 10 feet, and you try to drive the lane in a crowd and get stripped, uh, c’mon

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, 11-21

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I added them together...

…and gots 13 – 33, still not good.

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by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

point is...

you are desperate at that point, driving the lane, getting stripped, missing layups, is not going to help you with 2-3 mins left when you are trading baskets.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't blame Roy

He watched this team completely collapse on itself in the 1st half. Roy tried to shoulder the load in the 2nd half and take over the game. His teammates failed him first before he failed his teammates. Once you lose confidence in your teammates, like Rudy going 0-5, you tend to stop giving them the ball.

The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.

by blzrfan on Feb 6, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Wide open 3s are wide open 3s

Rudy was not 0-5 in wide open 3s. The coach has Rudy in there because he thinks Rudy will be able to hit the wide open 3s. Give him the ball.

by Zaig on Feb 7, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy

rarely passes in the fourth quarter so it doesn’t really matter who else is on the court with him. He thinks the fourth quarter is his time, goes one on five, misses and while he’s complaining to the refs, his man is scoring a layup.

If he wants to be considered one of the best players in the league, he needs to work on his defense.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Considering

Casey doesn’t light into Outlaw I can’t take his comments with any grain of salt.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My comments in the game preview post:
I remember back in the 2007 off-season, before lottery day, and we were looking at probably picking sixth,
I was a HUGE fan of going after Jeff Green with our likely pick.
Then the pingity-pongers did their thang, and who was best mid-lottery no longer mattered.

But you know what? I STILL have a mild man-crush on Green.
I’m looking forward (pun unintended, but perceived) to seeing him play well to-night.

Yeah, I called that one.
I want Jeff Green as our starting small forward.
Wanted it nearly two years ago, and tonight just shows how right that want is.

GET JEFF GREEN!!!

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Feb 6, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

I hadn't really seen that much of Green

but after the last two years, he looks like a great pick

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
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My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeez, this team won't let you breathe

Just when you think they’re starting to figure it out they play their worst game of the season. You don’t want to say the sky is falling but we just lost to one of the worst teams in the league and looked terrible doing it.

And let’s be honest, Durant is a thousand times he player Greg Oden is and we most definitely should have drafted him #1 barring a MAJOR MAJOR career turn for Greg. Greg is 15/10, Durant is 30/10/5

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions  

I always rant about Oden not getting touches but this one doesn't get a lot of play...although it should.
Not pulling someone who is hot offensively or defensively out of the game because of a scheduled rotation time

This drives me insane! I love your entire list, it should be posted in the locker room tomorrow.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheeks did that too.

I remember one Cheeks game in particular where Derek Anderson made like three three-pointers in a row. However, it was his scheduled time to come out so Cheeks subbed. It hurt me. It also hurts me because I see a lot of Mo in Nate.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

i make love

to comments like these

Don't Redeactivate Shavlik Randolph

by appel82 on Feb 7, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy moly!

I didn’t think it was possible, but they made us look like the Oklahoma City Thunder!

by JasonT on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions  

They made us look like

the Oklahoma City Blazers (their junior league hockey team)

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And we made them look like the

76-77 Blazers.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

we need a veteran emotional leader

not necessarily someone who is going to play a great deal of minutes, but someone who can get the guys fired up, give good advice on court and in the locker room, and be like a second coach. James jones played that role for us previously and was supposedly a great organiser on court and good in the locker room….

because at the moment i see players mailing games in during the first half and expecting to win from behind in the second. the other major issue i have is with the % of shots being jumpers, can someone show a stat regardling the blazers shot usage?

defense is the other major issue, we are just terrible and i cant think of a quick fix that will be 100% effective this season.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

James Jones

A guy with experience, who can hit a shot. And wouldnt get rattled. Obviously, KP was wise not to resign him, since he’s been injured all year. But a guy like that sure would help this team, especially on the road.

by Woodduck on Feb 6, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Grant Hill

I’ve been jonesing for him all year (unfortunately his contract is expiring, so Phoenix has no reason to trade him unless they want to let him get one more playoff run/like one of our bench guys, I would have said Sergio before Porter/Kerr got there) . He would be an upgrade at SF with Martell out, Batum could still get some PT since he’s limited due to injuries, a solid vet who really knows how to play – perfect on paper.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Feb 6, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

is Durant

on the sophomore team for the rookie/soph AS game?

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

yes I think so

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Reactive

I am tired of Nate reacting constantly to what the opponent is doing, as opposed to exerting his will on the opponent. For instance – going small for a good portion of today’s game. Our team’s strength is size and rebounding – we would have had a huge advantage over the ThunderSonics. But instead, we tried to match up with them. I am less bothered when we play veteran teams that one would expect to take us out of our game. But these chumps have rookies all over the place. And they had us scratching our heads like they were the ‘86 Celtics. As Bill Walton would say – "that’s hoorrriibblle!"

Free Oden

by Woodduck on Feb 6, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions  

+1

some other posters have noted that jeff green and durant are looking like keepers, that is because last season the sonics force fed them for better or worse, and now during the next season the results are getting better.

force feed oden now, its a crying shame to bench him for a few fouls or a missed defensive assignment. he tries his best and goes after rebounds better than anyone on the team except joel, why not reward the guy? if next season he has a decent post game and can average about 12 points we are better off.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm about halfway through the third quarter on tivo

and so far, Oden is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

I’ve noticed that too. Instead of reacting he should put together a lineup that makes the other team react. He’s “on the defense” too much instead of going for the jugler with our talent.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well now, wait a minute.

Here’s what Dave just wrote:
just before the six minute mark it was tied at 14. While the team was definitely being outhustled on both ends of the court,
Roy and Aldridge were hitting enough to keep the Blazers even. Six minutes later, the quarter ended with the score 37 to 25.
For that six minute stretch, the team was outscored 23 to 11; that was the ball game. So what happened during those six minutes?

First: the Blazers rotated like usual, bringing in Bayless and Przybilla, followed by Outlaw and Fernandez.
The “Thunder” left Durant in the game. Problem one: Bayless played out of sorts and out of rhythm.
Problem two: no one on the second unit can check Kevin Durant.
Problem three: Kevin Durant realized this and absolutely caught fire.
What I got from that was, Nate’s standard subbing schedule bit us in the butt,
that we did what we ALWAYS do at the six-minute mark, but tonight it was the wrong thing.
I felt (after reading that) that Nate doesn’t react ENOUGH; he just does his thang, no matter what the game is,
how the flow is, who the opponent is, what specific needs are calling for attention.

Maybe I’m too shaped by Dave’s analysis, but after reading that,
I feel like Nate doesn’t “react” nearly enough.
He put the usual six-minute-mark subs in, despite the fact that they were totally wrong for tonight’s situation,
and what happened in the rest of the quarter shows it.

Do it! Do it! Do it 'til you're satisfied!

by QualityPie on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually you are both right.

I think you two are actually talking about different things.

Johnv59 is right about forcing our offensive mindset on the other team- making them deal with our talents—- whereas you (Quality pie) are right about Nates refusal to be adaptive in the substitution pattern.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

QP, BenG wrote this post

Just sayin’.

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by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Dang Utah and Denver bot won

Blazers gettin screwed on both ends.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

and PHX is going to win (on TV now)

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

ok all homers even you gotta admit that you'd rather have Durant

Cut out the stupid rationalizations - Oden is a better fit for the Blazers blah blah blah Oden is still recovering from knee surgery blah blah blah- and just admit it: you’d be a lot happier if the Blazers had Durant and the ex-Sonics had Oden.

Sorry but it’s just gotta be said. Again.

I like Oden but let’s stop ignoring the elephant in the living room, shall we?

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

-Albert Einstein

The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.

-Lao Tzu

by MT Suit on Feb 6, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

Not really because

Nate would probably screw him up too. Oden would also probably be averaging at least 15 shots a game on the Thunder.

It’s okay though Nate is a very good coach and isn’t the real elephant in the room :).

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

dude

what other coach would have the youngest rotation in the NBA playing at 12 games above 500 more than halfway through the season?

Nathaniel is a good coach. Oden is a profound disappointment. Maybe it’s time to move beyond denial and get closer to acceptance. I know it’s hard but you can’t continue deceiving yourself this way. And that goes for all you Oden kool aid drinking homers out there.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

-Albert Einstein

The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.

-Lao Tzu

by MT Suit on Feb 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nate is a good coach. My only gripe is why he sits Oden so much, just let the guy foul out and get some PT.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Um

Nate don’t know how to use Oden. For crying out loud, Oden took 3 freaking shots the whole game.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I find it humorous

That you speak of moving beyond denial yet you refuse to admit that Nate is a big problem.

The team is 12 games above .500 because they got some real lucky breaks in terms of missed baskets and crazy shots made at the start of the year (against injured teams) and because Brandon is an amazing player at the play Nate uses the most: The Iso.

Nate has never had a team above 17th defensive rating, he apparently either wants his team to switch on pick and rolls or the team doesn’t listen to him and does it anyway (about 80-90% of the time to be honest), his offense is stagnant and relies on two plays: the iso and the pick and pop – this wont work in the playoffs at all. We have literally very little movement in terms of cutters down the middle, double screens, and back-door cuts unless Rudy is in the game with Sergio despite having a center and power forward that are pretty good at handing the ball off to cutters down the middle.

We are a predictable offense and defense that does not create mismatches. Infact Nate has openly conceded mismatches to the other team before a game has even started (see first Toronto game where he said Martell would only play if Toronto went small and if they went big we’d go with Channing). We play a passive defensive that allows the opposing team to create monumental mismatches with 6 foot lightning quick guards on the perimeter against our rookie big man recovering from knee surgery.

But please Nate is great he’s fine and Durant would be a god amongst mortals with him as his coach.

In reality Durant would probably be stuck in the corner just like Outlaw is (Outlaw does his ISO’ing as a powerforward), Martell was/is, and Batum is and Rudy is when Rudy plays the three rarely.

And then we’d all be crying over how bad Durant is while Oden gets 15 shots a game in Oklahoma City.

That isn’t me trying to say anytihng bad about Durant because he’s one hell of a player – but the difference is he’s allowed to be who he is in Oklahoma City while Greg is being woefully misused here.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ok

you raise some excellent points about Nate’s deficiencies as a coach. I will consider what you have written and will henceforth observe our team’s play in light of your analysis.

still I think it is difficult to escape the conclusion that Durant would have been a better use of our draft pick.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

-Albert Einstein

The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.

-Lao Tzu

by MT Suit on Feb 6, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

Durant on this team with Nate as the coach he would not look as good as he does in Oklahoma. Not because of anything Durant wouldn’t be doing or doing something wrong but simply because of Nate’s offense.

Nate’s offense is basically an ISO with Roy (or Travis at the PF spot as I said) where the small forward stands at the corner three point line, the point guard stands at the top of the side arc for a three pointer, LaMarcus stands at about 18-20 feet on the baseline, and the center spreads out so he’s in the middle between the basket and the small forward in the corner. Then we have the pick and pop where we again have the small forward in the corner (does anyone see a trend here perhaps pointing to the possibility that Martell doesn’t just stand in the corner for giggles?), but now Brandon is at the top of the key, the point guard is usually on the other side-top arc instead of by the small forward side-top arc, and LaMarcus sets a pick then pops out to about 18-20 feet at the top of the key instead of the baseline.

To me I do not personally second guess the pick of Oden over Durant because I think Durant himself would be limited here as well due to the coach. In the future if we get a coach that knows how to utilize a big man and Greg still flounders then I will start to question. But in my mind right now our big problem with Greg and his production is that he is being hung out to dry by his own coach who appears to prefer a jump-shooting offense (he did in Seattle as well. Perhaps the fact that he had no capable big man in Seattle has affected him here).

Durant again is a hell of a player, but I believe Oden will become a hell of a player in his own right if he, like Durant, gets a coach that is capable of utilizing him in the proper manner.

I’d also just like to put a disclaimer out there that I have not liked Nate as a coach for a long time but generally kept my criticisms to myself as I hoped his short-comings would become better with another year of coaching and the return of Oden.

I think Nate was good for what he was initially brought in to do and that was be very strict with a roster that was way too selfish and carefree (Darius, Zach, etc) and was a good disciplinarian. Now I feel we need a polished Xs and Os coach to take us to the next level. And really, that is all I want for this team.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

TSE

I am in 100% agreement with you. Nate is outstanding in players relationship. But when it comes to strategy, he is mediocre at best.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Been saying this for ages.

You want him running boot camp, but you don’t want him out in the field

by Zaig on Feb 7, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Spot on post TSE

Very well done. I’m still hoping that Nate will turn it around and recognize the changes that need to be made, but It’s starting to look like that may not happen.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in full agreement.

Although I think Oden is also lacking …. in physical and mental energy …. just as he’s always looked to be.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Feb 7, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent points.

It seems that the Blazers don’t really work the ball to get the best shot, but rather a specific shot – SF in the corner, PF 15 feet away, etc. I’m not a big fan of big round peg in small square hole offense. Nate seems to coach like he’s playing that old school hockey game where all the dudes are fixed and can just rotate. He seems to try to fit his players to his philosophy of jump shooting rather than playing to their strengths. I nearly cry when I watch Rudy play. I tried to watch as many of Spain’s games during the Olympics and in those he was flying around, slashing to the rim, handling the ball, etc. It is a colossal waste to park him in the corner. I guess Rudy is a good shooter, but he could be a lot more.

Rather than trade for a player, I’d like to see the Blazers trade for a new coach, someone who won’t enforce a ridiculous substitution pattern. It worked for Stockton in his last couple of years, but he was only able to play for about six minutes at a time because he was winding down a great career. If you’ve got a young team, then presumably the players don’t have much wear and tear so let them loose. If Sergio plays well, then leave him in. Who says that you have to give Bayless minutes? I think the players would much rather have the substitutions based on actual play rather than fixed time.

The Blazers’ defensive philosophy is terrible. Watch a few games and you’ll see a number of mismatches – a PG on a PF —> PF on a PG – that the other team can exploit. Why can’t Nate create mismatches in Portland’s favor?

I don’t think Oden is a bust, but I think we’re wasting his rookie year by not giving him the ball. We don’t really give Przy the ball because he has a limited offensive game. He makes up for it with defense, rebounding and hustle so it’s not a problem. However, Oden has played very little high level basketball so it stunts his development to leave him on the bench.

Other point against Nate: the Thunder started Collison at center. He’s a decent player, but he’s not going to be able to prevent Oden from getting position. Therefore, have Oden run as hard as he can to get on the block. If Collison is there, back him down for the jam or FT. If the double team comes, then find the open guy who is hopefully cutting towards the basket rather than just standing around.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We need some fire as a team and that starts with the coach

I am so tired of watching nate passively fold his arms on every terrible defensive lapse, standing flat footed while the other team out rebounds you and dunks on you, staring quietly while we get a series of bad calls…. Roy is starting to get really agressive about the lack of calls and it is hurting his defensive reaction……thats Nate’s job top stand up for his players………its not like he is calling any good plays anyway…..

I wish he would get thrown out early and often (is every game too much to ask for???)

Total misuse of LA, Oden, Rudy…………………a shame.

TP FOR 3

by WhereInTheWorldIsDontonioWingfield on Feb 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Two Truths

that have happened this year, things I have learned:

1) Love Sergio, but I think Bayless is now better
2) [very, very large gulp] I think Durant would have been better. I mean, we are starting Batum at SF, and could have Pryz starting at center.

I am ashamed to admit it…. but it’s true.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

would we rather have last year's Durant?

No, we wouldn’t. Compare this year’s Oden to last year’s Durant, and this year’s Durant to next year’s Oden.

Durant was a horribly inefficient jump shooter last year. He made great strides. Oden will as well.

by Cablinasian on Feb 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yea

it was a hypothetical question, if we could look back in time…

I was all for the Oden pick at the time, and I wish I had bought Google stock a few years ago….

Just saying…

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He also got a new coach

Durant at the start of the year was the same as Durant last year and had no improvement at all. Low and behold a new coach was hired and now Durant is lighting it up because he is being properly utilized.

If only that would happen here..

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

we all have to admit that new coach Brooks is doing wonders for OKC. Like 6 wins out of their last 10 games, for what appeared to be a horrible team? Hats off to him.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing with Brooks

Is he’s really allowed Durant to blossom into his own person and utilized him correctly. Greg is being left out to dry on the perimeter on switches to teach him not to develop bad habits like falling back like Shaq did (does anyone else think this is humorous that Nate in teaching Greg to not develop bad habits like dropping back is teaching the team bad habits of switching 80-90% of the time? Does this seem counterproductive to anyone else besides the guy that brought it up on realgm in the first place?) and for his efforts of being left out to dry he’s being completely ignored on offense even when he has great position or is actually WIDE OPEN under the basket.

None of this will fly during the playoffs and in my opinion this only hurts Greg for the future.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I agree.

Durant is blossoming and getting the numbers. OKC has obviously been feding the kid the ball constantyl regardless of their record. I think we should have a somewhat similar mindset with oden. I mean the goal this year was to make the playoffs and develope the team right?

Like I said earlier. I don’t care if we are the 8th seed. We are in the middle. I’d rather see us developing Oden and maybe risk loosin a couple than get to the playoffs and not have him, or the team be any better.

I think all this Durant vs Oden comparison is mute. Different positions. Different Roles. Different Utility. The only similarity was bing in the same draft class and hype.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

again, exactly

feed Oden, please.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Mute, it's not.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Feb 7, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Preach it TSE!

This is the stuff I’ve been talking about for months, it’s good to see more people out there with the same frustration.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a bit strange to think of OKC as a horrible team

when they have three young lottery picks – Durant, Green and Westbrook who were scorers in college. It seems they just needed the right coach.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

No, I'd still take Oden over Durant

Not just because of the player but because of the overall team. Do you want a run-and-gun team or a defensive team? Blazers + Durant is high-scoring but smaller and very soft in the middle. Blazers + Oden is (should be) well balanced and strong in the middle.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. We are very stout in the middle right now.

How many points/rebs did Collison and Green get again?

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

We have

a guy named Pryz…uhh…. he’s not too small

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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing against Przybilla but

teams with good centers didn’t need to worry about being outplayed by last year’s Blazers. I love Przybilla, but Oden + Przy > Przy by a lot.

Admittedly, the present is still not very satisfying. We’re still counting on future potential when we look at the frontcourt. Criticize all you want, for now.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 6, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The Man Problem is Nate

He does not know how to use the talents on this team. It is that simple. He gets Oden in foul trouble by switching on every play early in the season and continues thus. He blames players on defense for not playing the pick n roll properly. He reacts to moves by the other coaches and not go with our strengths.

I am sorry but the switch and let everyone scores on us scheme is not working.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

Main

Sorry for the typo.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

having some man problems, eh, Balian?

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by MT Suit on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yes.

I hate the switching like no other. Our guys don’t have enough hustle to do that the whole game.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

im saying Oden will eventually

crack the shits at the guards, quite a few of the fouls he commits are through bad defense by other players, and he cant stay on the court if he gets switched and has to foul, if it were me i would be very pissed off and start yelling.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

right now

he doesn’t have the lateral movement to be efective on those switches. Most 7 footers don’t. They need to do something else. They are putting him in a position to get fouls. Seems like the team should recognize that by now and make an adjustment in philosophy.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to see Oden moving back and laterally then waiting for the block

Emphasizing moving back more instead of almost completely laterally. Also he could take a lesson from the Flopmaster Pryz and take a charge now and then.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah the question is

is it him or the coaching? What you say makes perfect sense.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

yea

but he did get one against Chris Paul – I was shocked

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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be honest

I’m very wary of Greg taking charges at this point with his knee. Almost every player that has had microfracture says it takes an additional year after the initial rehab to learn to trust your knee again. I don’t want Greg at this point taking charges in a situation where he may be questioning the plant of his knee and then us ending in a disaster. Next year and beyond I’ll relax more about that but everytime I see Greg go down I wince a little inside.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point

Yea, he doesn’t need to be falling down on O-fouls.

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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaa yeah forget the flop; my bad

I guess it’s a good sign that I’m forgetting about about the knee.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Great point.

I think it would be better for Greg to let the dude come in and then block the shot. Charges aren’t always called consistently and it would be a bummer if he took a lot of contact and fouled out a lot.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

In the offseason

we can all talk about how good we’re going to be, without the inconvenience of ugly losses.

by Cablinasian on Feb 6, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

hey that's true isn't it?

gosh. I remember that is what we did last offseason and it sure was nice!

If i had suggested during the offseason that we would be humiliated by the Thunder no one would have believed me and everyone would have said I’m a troll

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by MT Suit on Feb 6, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh Geez

ESPN Sports Center, lead story: “watch how Durant throws down X points, etc.” Was just on TV. This is going to be horrible tomorrow.

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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

The O already did it

go to the www.oregonlive.com page

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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

The Oregonian is just using the AP headline as Freeman and Quick articles usually don’t make it to the webpage until 11 pacific time at the earliest.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

But it's there...

and just a sign of what is to come

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My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
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by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Losses Do Not Hurt As Much Nate's Mismanagement of Oden.

I can live with these losses but I can’t stand seeing Oden withering away on the bench because of the Nate’s inability to utilize him properly.

by Balian on Feb 6, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

ditto and thankyou

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

so do you think...

since it’s been stated by so many source that Greg is kind of emotional about everything, that if he sees all the “Durant outplays Oden” headlines tomorrow that he will have a problem? I sometimes think Nate holds him out in the second half so he doesn’t foul out and get upset. It’s just so strange.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

let oden get upset

also let oden learn in game, by no stretch of the imagination are we a championship caliber team this season, so force feed oden more, yanking him after 3 fouls in a half or 2 in a quarter just makes him tentative, which is not his nature.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

yes let him get angry.

Why are we protecting him like that and coddling him? We need to find out if he can man up or not. This is the NBA. Nate needs to dish out some tough love and let him see what he’s doing wrong. If he’s worth something he’ll prove it by getting angry and working on his deficiencies.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Feb 6, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate humiliated Oden by not running plays for him

You think Greg is unaware of all the media hype surrounding this Oden/Durant match up? He ran almost zero plays for Oden and sat him when he was trying to get involved. Durant has all the backing of his coach and team; the green light he’s had for two seasons, Oden? He gets to ride the pines, even when he’s not in foul trouble. Well, I guess if you’re not going to pass him the rock you might as well bench him.

This is not good for his development; how much good was limited exposure for Bayless.

by Wotan on Feb 6, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In regards to fouls etc

This is another issue I have with Nate. Greg picks up a lot of legitimate fouls (a good portion due to our horrible defensive schemes) and has his share of dumb ones (he’s gotten a lot better at not bringing down his arms though I think it was a fatigue issue/rookie issue), and those by themselves irritate me. However, if you’re going to put your rookie big man in a vulnerable position at least fight for him when he’s getting called for fouls that aren’t happening or when he’s getting wacked on the offensive end. Here is an example from tonight:

This was in the third quarter and was right before Greg’s 4th foul call. Greg was on the offensive end going up for a right-handed hook shot. He was being guarded by Collison and was going to have a clean shot over him. Either Green or Durant (I cannot remember which) came from the side and just hit Greg right across the wrist and hand, absolutely no ball contact at all. No whistle for Greg – they called it a clean block. On the other end Collison goes up for a layup/dunk and Greg goes to block it and there is some contact – immediate foul on Greg.

Where is Nate standing up for his rookie big man who he’s already hanging out to dry? What kind of message does this send? Nate should have gotten at least one T this year for Greg and he’s gotten absolutely none for him (I believe he got one for Brandon earlier in the year). The refs sometimes treat him like absolute trash (amazingly the most fair game in regards to how Greg was reffed was from my arch-nemesis Steve Javie in the Portland/Toronto game in Portland where he was allowed to bump and grind Jermaine as much as Jermaine was him) and there is Nate just doing a little yelling from the sidelines but not truly standing up for the guy.

To me that is unacceptable. Carlisle stood up for his players in the Christmas Day game and infact the entire team got four techs within a five minute period in the 4th and they won that game because their coach stood up for them (and probably because no one in the 4th was trying to rebound except Greg with two guys on him). I just want Nate to stand up and get a t for Greg just ONCE!

Okay technical rant done.

by TSE on Feb 6, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Rec

someone finally said it…. (I alluded to it…)

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Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

What makes it worse

is that Nate starts Oden, then jerks him out. C’mon coach, if you think he is not ready then at least don’t start him and sit him on the bench so much, especially in the 2nd half. How does that make Greg feel? Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

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Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

It almost suggests that

there are other cooks lurking around in the kitchen besides Nate.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a big Nate fan

so it pains me to agree with this, but it’s true. Aside from Roy, Nate has typically employed an extremely short leash with the young guys. Granted, Webster was fresh from high school, but LMA, Bayless, Sergio, Batum, Oden, the track record is there. Roy was much more polished after 4 years of college ball than any of these guys, and Rudy seems to have a consistent role/mpg pattern (again, his Euro experience is pretty comparable to Roy’s extended college tour) but being benched after a single mistake (even if, like Oden and Batum, you’re the starter) isn’t a good way to get these guys game experience/build their confidence. Nate sees the team every day in practice and the current record speaks for itself – however, this team is a 2-3 year project toward a championship, not just making the playoffs, and Nate’s methods with the young guys are giving me some real pause.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Feb 7, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Nate

 is killing the team work feeling, just think about it. Jerking guys around too much.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

He's trying to play chess

with humans, and it doesn’t work that well

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Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

True

I know these guys make tons of money/are professionals in their field, but at the end of the day they’re still 20 somethings looking for approval from their peers/coaches/fans. Nate’s approach to coaching often ignores this element, imo. Prime example was his complete lack of awareness about the LMA/Brandon mini-schism; a more human interesty type coach might have caught the subtleties of that dynamic. He’s a great analytical mind, and I truly believe he’s the right man for the job, but this is a major area he needs to improve in, particularly given the makeup of this team. E.G., Oden is a great guy, but he’s very sensitive and needs to be coddled from time to time. I’m not saying treat him like a baby, but he’s trying to take the weight of the world on his shoulders, if the coach can offer support when appropriate, he should.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Feb 7, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really care about Oden's pysche, freakin play BASKETBALL

Tired of coddling the big friggin baby. He’s getting paid millions. Play ball.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 7, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

He can't play ball

For that he needs to get the ball.

by Zaig on Feb 7, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, this wasn't even a great Durant game.

That was maybe Durant’s second worst game in the last six weeks.

Allowing that kind of production from Collison and Watson killed us, just killed us.

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Collison...

oh man, what was going on there? Our bigs couldn’t stop him? Unreal.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah... i hate to get on the oden bashing train

but watching him getting pushed around by Collison and Joe Smith was not a happy experience.

by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN

just showed highlights. Basically derided Greg and praised Durant, and talked about how the last 3 years the #2 pick has done better than the #1 pick.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions  

not really interested in ESPN

considering most people that read/post here are the most hardcore and passionate fans, who have a better idea of whats happening in game and inside the team.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

but

you know the players are interested in the mainstream media…. they even admit to watching Sportscenter

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll smoke to that

Wish him the best – somewhere else. Nice win, Zach…

by Engineering Problem on Feb 7, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Good for Zach

“cough cough, open a window please”. Seriously, I did like the guy.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Nobody else kept the cops in Portland as busy a Z-Bo

by Zaig on Feb 7, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon Roy, superstar (?)

I think without Blake, Roy hasn’t been half the superstar he was earlier in the season. The ball is now in Sergio’s and Bayless’s hands, and Roy has become secondary. The current lineup isn’t making the most of the team’s strengths. Bayless has often been thrilling, but he isn’t the guy who maximizes the existing strengths.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 6, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

but my opinion is that Blake is a vet and Sergio/JBay aren’t. It’s a simple formula – verteran PG. I guess that’s why there are so many trade rumors going around about the Blazers trying to get a real good vet PG. And, they are probably true.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

True

Bayless is good at doing “athletic guard stuff”, but he’s 20 and a poor man’s Bobby Jackson at this juncture. We should smile for the future, but realize that he needs to be marinated in team sauce for a couple seasons yet.

Agree that we miss Blake. It’s kind of odd that a perimeter oriented team loses its starting PG and this isn’t noted as exhibit A in our slow starts?

by Engineering Problem on Feb 7, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

"marinated in team sauce for a couple seasons " – but he has to have minutes in the bowl to marinate…. sitting on the end of the bench won’t work.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Marinated

I like the metaphor. I’d like to see the team start playing more defense and talking about it less. I remember at the beginning of the year in Sports Illustrated in NBA preview they said that the Blazers talked a lot about defense, and the writer made the comment that teams who talk about defense that much are usually not very good at it. I think that’s come to fruition this season, and maybe we need to accept that right now we aren’t great defensively.

What this has to do with JBay is that I’m sure Nate would love to hold minutes and reward them to the players who play great defense only, but can’t because he doesn’t have five guys each night who are doing it. The system breaks down pretty fast when he has to play Trout or Sergio even though they’re horrid on defense and pretty soon he can’t justify sitting people for not playing defense. Hopefully Bayless won’t get disenfranchised by Nate’s lack of consistency and will continue to work hard for all his minutes and know that one day it’ll pay off.

by sPresley on Feb 7, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice Point

You can tell Nic Batum, “guard your man tight and hang out at the 3 point line on O, since we really don’t know what to do with you yet”. Doesn’t work so well with a PG.

Good point about solid defensive teams not needing to talk about it. It’s almost cliche. How many teams say they want to run less this year or that they’re going to favor shooting over scrap?

by Engineering Problem on Feb 7, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but not only "marinated"

I love the phrase, by the way.

But I think Bayless needs to not only grow into the system but also grow into a Blake-Bayless hybrid.

With Blake, we have this typical play:

- Roy takes his man off the dribble.
- Roy either gets a shot at the basket or draws the defense and dishes to Blake for the 3-pointer.

Without Blake, we have this:

- Bayless or Sergio drive the lane.
- If there’s no shot, they pass out to Roy.
- Roy drives the lane, then kicks out to Outlaw.
- Outlaw drives and pulls up for a wild turnaround jumper (he’s actually good at those), or
- Kicks out to Aldridge for a 14-footer. (He’s okay at those too.)

This isn’t necessarily terrible, but every player’s idea is to drive the lane, and they all tend to run into a wall. The idea of spacing is gone without Blake there, and Sergio and Bayless aren’t good enough shooters to make it work from the perimeter.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 7, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Or to put that in a nutshell,

The current offense is a series of 1-on-5 plays.

Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.

by Kaboomm on Feb 7, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Folks dissed John Paxson as a lucky scrub, but MJ sure didn’t mind having him around.

I’ve always been a little sad that Sergio “needed” to be broken to become a cog in a predictable NBA offense. Don’t feel that way about Bayless. Break him – this league ain’t Arizona and never will be.

Painful to say, but a Danny Ainge type would be useful. Annoying, scrappy, decent sized, spot-up shooter with a mean streak. Sort of a better, bloodlusting Blake.

by Engineering Problem on Feb 7, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Brandon launched 27 shots tonight.

I don’t think the problem was him not getting the ball in his hands, only making 12. I’d say that is the problem. the reason Sergio got only 1 assists is that he was almost never given the ball in our offensive set, it was a hand-off to Roy more than half of the time and the other half was dumping it to LMA or Greg in the post, or the occasional hand-off to Outlaw. Apparently Nate has decided to not let Sergio run picka nd rolls and penetrate with the ball.

"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."

by sergioFTW on Feb 7, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I've noticed

that ever since Brandon’s injury he has been receiving many fewer foul calls then he got at the beginning of the year, and that seems to be frustrating him to no end. I’ve been wondering if the NBA sat some officials down and said “Hey, this guy isn’t Dwayne Wade or LBJ you need to make him earn it a little bit more,” but that may be far-fetched. Either way, it’s obvious Brandon hasn’t been in sync or in a great mood lately, as he seems to be getting very frustrated with teammates and officials. I would guess Blake’s absence has a lot to do with that as well.

All-Star break coming soon, hopefully the guys can go have some fun and get their minds back.

by sPresley on Feb 7, 2009 12:40 AM PST reply actions  

I noticed this too.

I wondered if his comments about being able to make moves and get calls rankled some refs. This is pure speculation, of course.

by ofred on Feb 7, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's because Brandon said that NBA refs

are a bunch of lying, skunk-sniffing schmucks. Or maybe it was when the police arrested Brandon for tagging the cars and houses of NBA refs. Whatever the reason, he just can’t get a call now.

by MiledAnimal on Feb 7, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I ain't gonna freak out

We’re the same team we were before the trip, and will make the playoffs.

But man, this was a God awful trip.

I’m gonna go murder a hobo to wash away the memories of this game. Maybe TWO hobos to erase the memories of this entire trip.

Oden hasn’t looked good this week, but we still need to feed him more. MUCH MUCH more. Has anything good NOT happened when we feed him? He gathers fouls, his jump hook had been falling, he gets doubled and our shooters hit more shots— and we always do it after time outs and whatnot, because the coaches are obviously saying FEED THE POST. So, it’s on the players.

And the switching, man the switching… we’ve gotten so used to switching, we’re doing it even when the guy fought through the screen and is still with his man.

There isn’t anything more missing than there was last week. We just hit a low point in our season, we’re still 4th/5th in the playoff seedings, went 1 and 2 on a horribly dumb road trip, but have a nice homestand and easy schedule coming up that we WILL make hay in. I know we counted this as a win; we just gotta make it up somewhere along the way, which we will.

Awful road trip. Get home, and stop being stupid jerks, and PASS TO ODEN.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 7, 2009 3:20 AM PST reply actions  

We need Blake back

I like Blake, but now I realize how really important he is to this team – the “big glue”.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Just got back from Shari's with my wife

and, sigh, I didn’t see LMA….

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by johnv59 on Feb 7, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree about Oden.

How can pointblank shots hurt you? He’s not going to miss many of them and will foul out the opponents’ big dudes. Most teams only have one quality big dude so if you can get to the Cheik Samb’s of the league, then you’re in great shape. Portland has the luxury of a high quality backup in Przy who would start for a lot of teams.

I think whoever made the chess analogy earlier was on to something. Nate seems to see all his players as fairly interchangeable or rather all SF are the same, all PG are the same, etc.. Rudy’s main strength is not bombing away from the three point line. He’s a good slasher and a better than average ball handler. Let him handle the ball more and find teammates. It can’t be any worse than Sergio dribbling down 3/4 of the shot clock or Bayless going 1 on 4.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the advice and a little perspective

I had long forgot the cleansing rush of killing a couple hobos.

As far as perspective, it wasn’t long ago that Boston hit that very rough patch. The team was confident that they would find the problem and fix it. After riding out the slump and making the necessary adjustments they win 12 in a row. Not bad.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

We got embarrassed.

Not worried though. If we lose to the Thunder on Wednesday…..then I will be worried.

Give Greg the damn ball.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 7, 2009 4:20 AM PST reply actions  

No individual observation on Bayless?

Hey Ben, any reason why you didn’t talk about Bayless in the individual observation section? Didn’t get to see the game and have only picked up a little on how he player(off in the first half but better in the second).

by danielfarrell on Feb 7, 2009 6:19 AM PST reply actions  

i must have counted wrong… i will add one right now.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 7, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

the answer is, "terrible."

I love the kid and have high hopes, but i’m not seeing what others are seeing here. I see potential, not the ability to deliver on that potential. Got torched by Earl fricking Watson, the guy who makes me laugh derisively almost every time I watch the Thunder (I tivo all their games that don’t conflict with the celts, cavs, and blazers).

by howlingfantods on Feb 7, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, I add some random thoughts about this game after sleeping over it on what needs to change
  • Gregory Oden doesn’t set real picks. He might think he does, but he moves away again so fast it barely disrupts the defender of the Blazer he sets the pick for. He should watch some tape how guys like Duncan and KG do it. Yeah, I said KG. Or just watch Joel, who isn’t perfect but miles better
  • Same thing on defense. KG is among or the best in the league at jumping out to the perimeter and falling back. But he is actually going out in order to disrupt a play, not just going out because his coach told him to do it from time to time. There is no purpose in the way Greg does it, wandering aimlessly and usually resulting in a switch/him standing around in no-mans-land/fouling/falling behind the play
  • I would have liked to see the “twin towers” out there. Greg/Joel and LMA should have easily been enough to overpower power forwards Collison and Smith (not true center played for OKC yesterday) and make the wings think hard about driving, but since that didn’t work maybe clogging the inside more for a stretch would have helped.
  • Greg doesn’t get the ball in the post. It’s like he isn’t there. He is working for it (maybe he could do it more), but even if he has good position he doesn’t get it. Steve, please come back.
  • Having Roy out there does not mean the other players are allowed to stand around and watch him. Move! Be in the best position you can get when Roy starts driving, either for a shot when he needs to pass or the rebound!
  • Speaking of move, Rudy doesn’t get the ball in the fourth quarter even when he is open. Did he take more than two shots in the fourth last night? I don’t think so. It’s like he is only allowed to shoot earlier in the game. Why have a shooter out there if he doesn’t get the ball when he is wide open? Then it would be better to have Bayless or Nic out there. I’m not sure Steve would fix that, since it has been a problem for a long time.
  • We are sorely missing a defensive specialist on the perimeter to stop the bleeding when we are falling behind
  • We are sorely missing the same passion and commitment for defense as for offense. On some nights they bring it, usually they don’t.
  • And to close just a weird thought I had: How much can our guys improve when they play like this against themselves in training? I mean, when you play bad defense on the court, you are likely also bad in the practice facility when you play somewhat less hard. Scoring against ourselves is probably very easy and makes it looks to them as if they are good.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 7, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Good points.

Oden hasn’t played a whole lot of high level basketball. He played one year in college and there he was hurt and missed some games. When he came back, he was still a heckuva lot bigger than everyone else so he could out-muscle them. He missed his rookie season so he really has only had this season to learn how to play. It seems like no one is really working with him on how to play defense in the NBA. Like you said, he’ll run out to the perimeter, but that usually just frees up his own dude for the easy shot. Every move on the court has to have a good purpose. I remember watching some Blazers games in person and wondering why the heck he was trying to set a pick and why it was soft.

Portland’s fourth quarter offense is predictable – if either Roy or Travis get the ball they’re going to shoot it. Neither one passes much towards crunch time which is ok if the shots are falling, but terrible if they aren’t because then you’ve got three other dudes twiddling their thumbs and losing confidence. What is really running through Rudy’s head at this point? He went from being the man who runs all over to the guy who puts down roots in the corner. Would you resign if you were him? Would you resign if you were any of the Blazers given their strange offensive philosophy? I really don’t understand why Portland doesn’t run more. Sergio, Bayless, LMA, Rudy and Nic can run, Oden and Przy can trail the play and Roy and Travis can learn to run.

The Blazers don’t have passion for defense because substitutions are no longer based on effort, but rather some mystical formulae that involve how much time is left in the quarter and the phases of the moon.

by torsoheap on Feb 7, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate watching Greg work for position...

…knowing that no one will pass it to him.

What is going on there? At least some of the time he has pretty good position.

I feel like he should be screaming for the ball sometimes.

by ofred on Feb 7, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They fed oden plenty to start the game.

He got a couple of assists but otherwise didn’t do much with it.

by howlingfantods on Feb 7, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I like your point

about Greg setting picks but I think he’s also not trying to pick up cheap fouls on moving picks, something the NBA seems to have cracked down a bit on this year (although the calls for that foul are so inconsistent they could call it on every pick). I would like to see the Blazer guards feed Greg off the pick and roll a little bit more often. I feel like he’s open a lot off Brandon’s drives and off pick and rolls but the guards are reluctant to pass to him for fear he might not be able to handle the pass. I know he doesn’t have the softest hands in the NBA but I think he’s better than we think.

by sPresley on Feb 7, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Also LMA with 18 points and 6 rebs? I guess even the Thunder's interior scared him

LMA’s like a third option and he shows no real desire to be anything more than that. Who’s our second option?

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 7, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

Time

For a PLAYER/TEAM meeting.

Make it happend ROY.

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Feb 7, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

happen*

"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"

by Slickrex on Feb 7, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Oden often looks like

he just arrived to the game from a Michael Phelps Bong-a-thon.

Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Feb 7, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

Team Bayless Represent!

I found it hilarious that Ben, the leader of Team Bayless, had to be prodded to even mention Bayless in the recap, even though he logged 26 minutes and the majority of time at PG. If you are gonna jam Team Bayless down our throats everytime he gets a lay-up, you can’t just dissappear like he did in this game.

As for Nate leaving Sergio on the bench the entire 4th quarter, well screw that. I’m all for going with the hot hand, but, um, Nate, that wasn’t Bayless tonight, at all! Wishing so don’t make it so. “Sure, Serg, you can start, but it doesn’t matter how you play or how poorly your backup plays, you are sitting the pine tonight.” Trade Sergio already and stop torturing him.

"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."

by sergioFTW on Feb 7, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

I really don't care about Nate torturing Sergio.

I just want him to stop torturing us by forcing us to watch Earl “the hurl” Watson looking like 2003 era Jason Kidd against us because Nate’s leaving the rookie in all game.

by howlingfantods on Feb 7, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Thought it was good when Westbrook went out.

2 fouls in 5 minutes, I figured we’d capitalize on the rest of the first. Sadly, Watson is apparently the next Chris Paul.

by Zaig on Feb 7, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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