Post Sonics Game Vent Thread
by JasonT on Feb 6, 2009 7:42 PM PST
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PrintOooops.....sorry I just swallowed my own vomit.
Because this game deserves a vent thread more than any other I can remember this season.
Not too much positive you can say about this game. Oh well, at least I don't have to live in Oklahoma City...there's a silver lining after all.
But seriously, Nate needs fix this defense quickly. And KP needs to make a move for an aggressive perimeter defender. We do not have anyone, save maybe Bayless, who will get up in a guys grill on the perimeter.
Anyway...vent away. This game deserves it.
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Ouch!
IMO this was not one of Travis’ complete meltdown games. He’s had much worse. For awhile he and Brandon were the only ones who had it going offensively.
Many problems in this game were far worse than Travis…not getting the ball into the post, lack of rebounding help for our bigs, opposing guards penetrating without any opposition…etc.
But I’ll grant you…he drives me crazy ALOT
Travis had a descent offensive game, but
his defense was absolutely abysmal.
by trk on Feb 7, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions
Save Bayless?
Bayless played either the worst or the second worst defense of anyone on the entire team tonight. I am so sick of this Bayless good at defense crap. Does anyone actually watch the games?
Tonight he was absolutely destroyed by frickin Earl Watson.
Agree about needing a perimeter defender, but EVERYONE stop giving Bayless a pass. He doesn’t deserve one ESPECIALLY after tonight. Sergio actually did a much better job on Westbrook. But no one will give him any credit because he’s our teams favorite scapegoat.
I'm talking about Bayless willingness to get up in a guys grill on the perimeter.
Maybe he gets burned, but at least he’s trying to be aggressive.
I would rather a guy be aggressive on defense and get burned
than to watch the passive crap our guys play of letting the offensive guy get any shot he wants.
Did you just praise Sergio's defense?
I can buy how Bayless didn’t do a great job tonight, but praise Sergio’s D? Even that’s gotta be a stretch to type for a Sergio homer like yourself.
THE CAKE IS A LIE. DO NOT BAKE IT.
you're completley biased on this topic
I like both these guys for our future. Its completely ridiculous how much love Bayless gets for his defense and how much hate Sergio gets.
Tonight for example, Sergio did as good a job on Westbrook as any player did on any of the Thunder players. He forced turnovers (Westbrook had 6), and he was all over the boards (Sergio had 6). He got up tight on the guys he was defending, and he didn’t get burnt, despite being up on one of the fastest players in the league.
I'm no Bayless or Sergio lover
Watson/Westbrook burned both Sergio and Bayless off the dribble. There is no doubt you cannot see past your own bias for Sergio. I saw Watson drive past Sergio many times. No one deserves praise for tonight’s performance.
THE CAKE IS A LIE. DO NOT BAKE IT.
Waste of time topic here.
Sergio wasn’t the problem and Bayless is a rookie who has hardly been given a chance to play.
The blame lies elsewhere.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I was just trying to correct a common misconcetion around here
Clearly the reason for the defensive woes go much higher.
I agree
I think Sergio is better on defense than most people believe, while Bayless is not as good(yet) defensively as people think he is. I do think that overall Bayless is better than Sergio right now, but that is mostly due to offense (since the opponents actually have to guard Bayless) rather than defense.
by trk on Feb 7, 2009 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
I have to agree, in the first Sergio seemed like the best Blazer on the floor at times.
I really like Bayless, but I think many overhype his defense as you say. He will improve with his work ethic, but for now I think he is for sure not better than J Jack was.
Uh....he's a twenty year old rookie......
If anyone deserves a little slack….it’s him. Obviously he is not a polished defender. However, he has had good defensive games this year. Sergio is not an upgrade in this department. Sergio has had downright crap defensive games too….
So we are all agreed
Our defense is lamed at every position. BRoy shouldn’t get a pass for his weak defense over the last month. He plays hard enough but leaves huge space between him and the shooter. We are like two steps forward and one step back. Or is it one step forward and two steps back. God it’s turrible.
He desrves a little slack?! That's all he gets is slack from Bedgers!
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
UUUUUMMMM
did you even watch the second half? yes he started out slow, but bayless was the reason we got so many defensive stops in the second half. If Sergio had been in over bayless those minutes this would have been WAY more then a 9 point loss, I’d put money on it.
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
Ya, I saw your post in the gameday thread
Even when Sergio was playing good defense in his first stint in the 1st half, this was your comment.
you are overlooking his defense
sergio’s D has been horrid so far
Try some objectivity. Sergio played good defense in the first half. You still knocked him. What exactly does that mean? Like a lot of people on these boards, Sergio is your scapegoat. He WAS NOT the problem tonight. And you made him the problem. Its this complete dismissal of things that actually happen in games that make this site such a frustrating place. People who already have Bayless penciled in, and Sergio traded, only see Sergio’s negatives and Bayless’ positives, whether that’s even the case or not. While both players are lackluster defenders, one gets praised for his defense, and the other gets criticized for it.
I still expect us to make the playoffs by 3-4 games
If we miss the playoffs because of this awful D and these bad starts, Nate should be fired. Simple as that.
Boomshakalaka
If we don't make the playoffs
I agree…but it won’t happen next year.
I can't stand that guy's voice.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
We need a defensive specialist on the sidelines.
There is a bunch to learn to develop players correctly, but you never want such a terrible defense.
For the record Rudy was the meltdown.
Embarrassing night.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I really think this team needs some veterans...
Veterans play defense. Young guys typically do not. If we are ever going to be a good defensive team….the tough defensive tone needs to be set by Roy. Otherwise, we need to find another leader.
The wrong move would be to trade for an old guy like Hill, Marion, Battier
The right move would be to trade for a guy like Deng (actually still young), Wallace, Prince (I wish), …
it all depends on what we have to give up
and the contract and health of the player we would be getting back.
Deng and Wallace are very injury prone. I think the most games Wallace has ever played in one season is 70. And he has a few seasons under 50 games. Deng’s contract is bloated for his production…6 years for over $10/year.
I’d take Prince in a heartbeat. Marion too, even though he is a little older would be a very nice addition….only 1 year left on his contract., so he could walk after the season though.
Deng or Prince would be sweet
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
I'm starting to come around on the whole Deng Hinrich idea
strictly because of Deng’s defense. We REALLY could use a savvy athletic veteran defender.
Stein on Deng/KP
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=tradetalk-090205
4. Portland is naturally making calls to see what it can fetch with its LaFrentz chip, but it appears that there’s a much better chance that Kings swingman John Salmons will wind up with the Blazers — who have inquired about Salmons — than that Chicago’s Luol Deng will.
Deng is said to be one of Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard’s all-time favorites, but sources say Deng’s strong play over the past month-plus after a slow start makes him the closest thing to prized rookie Derrick Rose on Chicago’s list of untouchables. (It’s also true that dealing Deng before the summertime, even if Chicago wanted to, is difficult because of base-year-compensation restrictions.)
Gooden, Larry Hughes, maybe Thabo Sefolosha … those are the players Chicago is looking to move.
It appears that, in the Bulls’ view, Noah, Thomas and Kirk Hinrich — whose presence since returning from a thumb injury has noticeably helped Rose — are more valuable than they were when the season started. And let’s face it: Chicago just isn’t a trigger-pulling team, whether that’s because of general manager John Paxson’s reluctance or Reinsdorf’s. Or both.
Trade scenarios involving Deng, Ben Gordon, Hinrich … we’ve been hearing them for years. The Bulls might have the pieces to get into the Stoudemire bidding and would certainly appeal to the Suns as a trading partner because they’re in the East, but history says they won’t.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
That Salmons rumor needs to die. That trade would really make no sense
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
+1
Deng on the other hand, I could stand to hear lot more about…
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
I wouldn't blame this all on Rudy
Sure he was missing his shots, but other than that he wasn’t playing too badly. It seemed like he was generally making good decisions and playing better defense than most of the other players.
by trk on Feb 7, 2009 2:37 AM PST up reply actions
agree. Too many easy, drive the lane dunks.
Was this a pre season game?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Do you think Dave could remove the swearing ban for just this thread only
CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RipCityRoyCity on Feb 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
OH Fiddlesticks!
I won’t tell you what I was actually saying during the game…but it was a lot worse.
by JasonT on Feb 6, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There we go
I will just pound on the keys and if a swear word comes out then so be it sao hj gftbrhvop oiermtoijhroptyhpophis rdypoew5ihntowpehtnoiehtgpoi mgvpiehoptihyqo4wh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There might be something in there. Sorry Dave.
by RipCityRoyCity on Feb 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
jumpin jehosofatz
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
-Albert Einstein
The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.
-Lao Tzu
+2
I’ll consider that my swear.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Trade him or play him!
Oden I mean.
I don’t give a rat’s behind about this year. The NUMBER ONE goal shoudl be developing the big guy. We are completely destroying his psyche right now by A) never playing him, and B) when we do, never getting him the ball.
I realize foul trouble has been part of the problem sometimes. But not always. Of late, we have seen the pattern of letting our oppoinents dicate lineups. If our plan is to play smallball, then just trade him for a SF already.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
We need to develop GO, and I’d rather do it this year than wait 2-3 years. Feed the post guards!
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
50% of practice should be dedicated to feeding the post
the other 50% should be defensive practice. If we improve those 2 things we’re golden.
by JasonT on Feb 6, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Please tell me
this is Demopolous on his iPhone and you’re telling this to Nate in the morning
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
i would rather they let him play out all six fouls every night
unless there is a HUGE advantage to playing LMA at the center for quick spurts or we are still getting a lot from Przy.. I say play Oden until he get 6 fouls every night.. he needs to learn and we need to push him now to get used to playing with 5 fouls. because even if he is great he will need to deal with those situations is big games..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
by idoltime on Feb 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree,
we’re caught in a little catch-22, it seems. We need to start fast, but it doesn’t seem like Nate or the team has the confidence that Oden will convert if we try to establish him early, so we stick with Roy and Lamarcus.
It’s like we expect Oden to just be able to step in and convert baskets no matter what if we haven’t gone to him for two quarters. The guy just needs a steady diet of possessions in the post when he’s in the game. It’s not quite as bad as watching those L*ker games in 2004 when K*be would just flat out refuse to feed Shaq, but it feels like a similar situation (albeit without the cancer).
But whenever Greg gets started just a bit LMA has a much easier chance scoring....
".. is gumby an alien?"
I agree, but it feels like we're going about it backwards now
establishing the jumpshot first to try and open things up for Oden rather than establishing a post presence to open things up for shooters.
His psyche's a little too big if you ask me
The spoiled high school basketball prodigy needs to be broken down and built back up into something resembling an NFL warrior. That may take some time so meanwhile he could stand to take an example from Bayless. It’s time for the teams best center to start.
I was yelling at the tv all game about getting Oden the ball inside.
Here the league was looking at this game like it was some sort of huge test and comparison between Oden and Durant and what happens? Everyone has amnesia that Oden is actually on the floor.
What happened to getting him going early in the game so that he gets his rhythm down and stays in the game? It seems to me that Roy hardly ever passes to Oden in the middle, Bayless doesn’t drop the ball inside to him much either. Blake and Sergio do though usually, but everyone seemed to miss him on the inside tonight. Can’t wait to have Blake back for the next game!
The other thing that I’ve noticed is that Roy has lost a lot of his aggressiveness lately. The last time I really saw him be aggressive was in the game against the Clippers. Since he was named as a reserve for the All-Star game, he’s been very quiet. Yeah, he got his points and everything tonight, but he’s not been finishing at he rim or even really forcing his way to the rim much. It seems that he gets hit inside on a drive, the ref doesn’t call it and so he doesn’t drive hardly at all until it is nearly too late for him to do much to get back into the game. I’d love to see him wake up a little and play with some sort of urgency in the first half of the game and stop letting the refs inaction dictate what sort of performance he’s going to give. Haven’t we all known that they don’t give respect to teams that don’t make the playoffs? Brandon should stop barking at the refs and start shaking the rim some more instead.
Bayless seems like the only one intent on attacking the basket, although thankfully Travis has been doing that more often recently. The problem is teams are starting to know what to expect from him and are adjusting to keep him out of the lane like they have been trying to keep Brandon out of the lane. For those that seem to think that he can’t pass the ball though, you have to remember that Nate has told him that his role currently is to be that aggressive spark off the bench that attacks the rim relentlessly. Maybe if the starters weren’t acting like the props in a mattress commercial he’d have more leeway to pass and be an all-around PG, but right now I’ll take as much aggression as he can dish out. It has to come from somewhere.
In my mind the solution is simple: The guards have to wake up and see that 275 lb. Center in the middle, and Brandon Roy has to play like he did to earn that All-Star nod.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Also, Nate needs to change his philosophy on guarding the pick and roll. To many times Greg is left gaurding a point guard only to pick up a foul. I don’t know who is to blame for this but since the whole team seems to get mismatched I can only assume that Nate is telling them to do it. How can Greg stay out of foul trouble when he’s being hung out to dry. I don’t believe in Nate right now.
YES!
Greg gets caught guarding PG’s more than any other C I’ve evr seen. Why?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Southern Oregon said it best in the gameday thread: The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Thank you, I needed that vent.
It is
Blzfran (The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.) and me now have that in the signature.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Sorting this out
So who was the problem tonight?
Without Travis’ offense we would have lost by more, right?
The only real question is which ones of the starters are not willing to play defense. The first quarter is when this game was over. What was the problem then?
".. is gumby an alien?"
Let's look at the starting lineup...
1. Sergio
2. Roy
3. Nic
4. LMA
5. Oden
That’s where you begin to analyze the problem.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I will note that the Blazers won the 3rd and 4th Q tonight -- they just were in a 20 point hole at the half.
I think you can make the case that the WHOLE TEAM failed during the first half.
With the corollary that in the 2nd Half:
Pryz > Oden
Rex > Sergio
Nic did a good job playing on Durant
But Travis was the 4, making LMA the 5 at the end — and even that pulled goalie situation wasn’t enough to get over the hump offensively.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Travis drove to the hoop well, but has HIGHLY SUSPECT ball handling skills...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
no doubt...
you could see that steal by Westbrook at the end of the game coming a mile away.
But at least he was trying to attack the basket.
Everyone of them...
the aggressive mentality is not there on the defensive side of the ball. It’s like they start out the game in cruise control b/c they think they are going “save it” for the 4th quarter. Please. Get it going from tip. I want to see our guys putting bodies on them from the 3 point line down. You can always scale it back if need be.
Is this supposed to win a championship?
What a joke. Only two of those players deserves to be starting.
We need to be playing Pryzzy and sitting Oden at the start. This whole "Oden was a #1 draft pick so he's gotta be the starter" thing is hooey...
Oden is: (1) slow to react; (2) not sure handed with rebounds; (3) inferior to Pryz with rebounding technique; (4) inept trying to do ANYTHING on the perimeter; (5) a foot shuffler almost every time he makes an offensive move; (6) foul prone; (7) not a confident person who easily gets out of his offensive rythym,
On the plus side, he’s got fun hair and a cute dog. He seems nice. He’s young and should get better.
But PU-LEEEEEEEAZE, stop pretending that the team goal this year is to play Oden max minutes in the hopes that the lump of coal will be pressurized into a diamond.
The goal is to MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
by timbo on Feb 6, 2009 8:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
agree and disagree
the goal is make the playoffs, and develop our center for next year. It won’t me jack squat if we make the playoffs but completely destroy Oden’s future as a player by killing his psyche and confidence this year, and getting his career off to a start that gets him labeled as a bust and continues to increase the pressure on him going forward. Great, that strategy turns us into Denver or Houston or some other perreniel first round and out team.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
This is the NBA though, not second grade... A meritocracy one would think, not the "hooray for trying!" league...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
right, but...
you don’t invest a #1 pick in a guy, then completely ruin him in year one due to mishandling. That’s just an epic fail
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Oden could well be Kwame II. We need to accept that possibility instead of denying it.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
by timbo on Feb 6, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oden could be a lot of thing still
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
ok, but...
If we try to utilize his strenghts, and let him play through his struggles, and he turns out to be Kwame, that’s one thing.
If WE turn him into Kwame through a complete failure to handle his development properly, then that’s another thing entirely.
Right now, to me, it feels like we are doing the latter.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Possible, but still highly doubtful
Kwame had all kinds of other issues (tiny hands) wasn’t exactly considered a strong pick. Oden at least had everyone in the NBA drooling when he came out. Plus, the Wizards were just a terrible environment for a #1 pick that year.
Hasheem Thabeet is Kwame II
Sam Dalembert at best. I feel sorry for the team that will take him top 5 next year
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Not quite twice. Kwame averaged 4.5 points his first year and Oden is at 8.6...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
that's actually one of the most honest statements I've seen on here
We can win rings without him, so let’s not put on the blinders and not make the deals we need to get there.
by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the situations compare
MJ would really beat up on him. Nate gives GO a lot of minutes but takes him out when he is not being effective. Big difference, plus at the same time he is trying to win games.
Better to get 24 minutes with a .600 club than 35 minutes with a .400 club.
by QuebecBlzrFan on Feb 6, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
the agree part
is that we should start Pryz and bring Oden off the bench, and get him a steady diet of touches when BRoy and LMA are out of the game. This should also cut down on him getting in quick foul trouble. Finally, on the 2nd unit we should play zone if we have to, if it means limiting the number of times he’s guarding a PG at the 3pt line on a switch.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I sure hope Nate goes this way. I realize it's impolitic to pull Sergio at this point, with Blake back soon.... But the C situation needs to be fixed.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
...
Were not handling Oden right, Nate has him doing things that Centers like Shaq would never do. We arent playing him that much and there hasnt been a game where we have tested dishing it to him (I know part of it is him asking for the ball too).
Ughhhhhhhhhhh I don’t even know anymore. I knew we would lose to OKC
by brandonmitchell on Feb 6, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
If we're going to play him the way we're playing him
then there’s no point in starting him. Like you said, the guy obviously needs to be in some sort of offensive rhythm right now to contribute on that end. Right now, we’re just kinda starting him and then playing like we do with Pryzbila. That is, playing our normal jumpshot-centric game with Roy and LMA and letting Oden try and be the garbage man. Pryzbila does that great because he’s never had a real offensive game and probably never will.
However, if we want to start Oden, we need to start actually using him within the offense from the start. Unlike Pryz, the guy needs touches to be effective, and it’s just pointless the way we’re using him now. It’d be like turning Brandon into an exclusively catch and shoot player.
Oden has always been a major offensive focal point on every team he's been on...
Except here. So I agree, that is the problem. He has never been in a position of not being a consistent part of the offense and so learning to play without the ball is probably not all that intuitive for him.
I imagine that is a big part of the reason Nate decided to put Oden in the starting lineup to begin with. In order to get Roy and LaMarcus used to passing it to the middle and getting Oden invovled in the offense, he needed to be in the game with them. When Pryzbilla is in the game with them he’s not going to be receiving the ball, so it is a matter of habit to even try to look to that third option in the middle. What’s frustrating to me is that they just don’t seem to be adjusting well.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
#25
I know he’s not your favorite Bust, but Travis was far from the problem tonight
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
I disagree....
His scoring was very nice but it never comes within the flow of the offense. Travis needs a one on one isolation to be effective. That is fine and dandy if he is able to get other people involved off the iso play, but Travis does not do that. There were multiple times where Rudy was wide open for 3 and never got the pass from Outlaw. Rudy naturally became frustrated and hoisted up a crappy 3 point attempt when he finally got the ball. Outlaw needs to be a ball hog to be effective, and that hurts the flow of the team offense and can frustrate teammates. We needed his scoring tonight, so its ok, but if he isnt shooting 60%+, it hurts the team imo….
RUDY > MJ
Also, Bad Trav showed up at the exact wrong time.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Feb 7, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
LMA might be the problem
That LMA for Bosh trade is looking pretty good right now.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
-Albert Einstein
The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.
-Lao Tzu
Any Trade
That keeps this from happening again is fine with me.
by RipCityRoyCity on Feb 6, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I love LMA
but Bosh is the truth. The other thing (and this isn’t LMAs fault entirely) is that Bosh is so consistent, you know he’s going to board/score every night. I don’t think this deal will happen, largely because it would likely be LMA + Bayless/Rudy + RLEC for Bosh and bad contracts, but it illustrates the larger point that outside of Roy, we don’t know who’s showing up night in night out.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.
yeah Rush Limbaugh mentioned that too
something about being anally raped by a black man
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
-Albert Einstein
The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.
-Lao Tzu
so funny how rudy kept his 3pt streak alive at the very end..
funny like a long drive from OKC to Portland in a Yellow Hummer
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Might have been the first time he touched the ball in the 4th
by southern oregon on Feb 6, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
No it wasn't
Rudy got a steal and a couple of rebounds in the 4th
by trk on Feb 7, 2009 3:02 AM PST up reply actions
Should Nate just employ a zone the whole game?
It seems that is the only time our defense if effective.
"is effective"
Also, is our team out of shape? Why, otherwise, would we not play tough in your face defense the whole game?
Holy cow. That was tough.
I’ve had dental appointments that were less painful than that game. However, I think this game WILL be a wake up call to our guys. I think the video guys are going to work overtime tonight to show every single time we got burned and make them watch it over and over a la clockwork orange with Beethoven’s 9th symphony playing in the background with their eyes peeled open with torture devices. I think this game is a perfect opportunity to learn that defense wins games, not jumpers.
Yeah it'll get better for a bit
and then back to this soon enough.
Does this remind anyone of last season?
".. is gumby an alien?"
It's just a basketball game
Those might be the two worst people in Oregon
What kind of idiotic motive, too. Stealing a video game and beer?
These people could the two worst
or two coolest people in Oregon…
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20090127/UPDATE/90127070
by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, I feel awful about it
but I’m still laughing about the dog having to be killed because of the way it was taught to interact with humans meant it couldn’t be placed in another home.
but why did they tie him up naked?
Just plain cruelty, I suppose.
I guess there’s just a meanness in this world. Nice people are golden.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable, superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
-Albert Einstein
The journey of a thousand miles begins beneath one's feet.
-Lao Tzu
I would have like to see Nate try a big lineup with the twin towers in that game
Don’t know if that would have helped, but it was ridiculous how easy OKC could drive to the basket
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
just once i wanna see
during a blowout, a team put their 5 tallest players on the court. Can you imagine? Joel at the 5, Greg at the 4, LMA at the 3, Channing at the 2, and Batum at the 1. Glorious. Better yet, the coaches could have the 5 tallest players on one team play the 5 shortest players on the other!
by dario argento on Feb 6, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
that sorta remind me of one all star game
when the west all star team employed a team of 5 seven+ footers for a bit
i think it might have been Dirk, KG, Duncan, Yao, Gasol.. but I may be confusing the year..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
OKC had 3 PGs onthe floor in the 2nd
and Weaver who also has played some at the point… hard to go big in that situation!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=ApevrhhxhUOUWVN7Wws.uACK0bYF?gid=2009020625
unless you can post up defenders of inferior size
and smash the ball on them..
too bad we don’t have anyone who can do that..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
The stagnance on offense is really starting to bother me...
Defense is obviously the blazers main problem, but I just can’t handle how lame our offense is. Our team is young, and playing well on the offensive end will fuel their fire on defense. 90% of the plays we run require 3-4 players to essentially stand around and watch waiting for a kickout or a chance to grab the O-board. I think players get frustrated with the offense and it shows when they jog back on D, there just isn’t enough of an effort(or a reasonable gameplan). There is zero off the ball movement which is mind boggling consider the blazers personnel. I swear the Thunder had more layups off of cuts without the ball than the blazers have had all season. We always here the blazers need to get more easy baskets, but the only solution Nate offers is to dribble penetrate the paint more often. ARG!!!! Can we please get some off the ball cuts to the hoop? there are players on the floor that can find open cutters, if only our dang offense would allow them to cut!!! AAAHHHH
This vent thread thingy helps, I feel much better now.
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Feb 6, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I posted mine at the same time as you
But I agree on the frustration on the offensive end. I didn’t see them run one play for Rudy running off of screens tonight.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Our offensive stagnation was masked by offensive rebounding and hot 3-point shooting
Nate is continuing the same isolation offense he ran to death last year. Blazers got off to a hot start when Rudy, Outlaw, and Blake were nailing 3 pointers left and right. Oden and Pryzbilla were cleaning up any misses.
The quality of shots produced in this offense has been the same. Outside jumpers all day, every day. There is no creativity and no execution. The Blazers are probably one of the worst screening teams in the NBA. There are no screens in their pick and rolls. Outlaw and LMA always slip the screen and pop. It frustrates me to no end and it keeps happening. There is no accountability or there is a lack of teaching. Either way, the miscues on offense and defense here are fundamental. When it is fundamental, it is the fault of the coach.
THE CAKE IS A LIE. DO NOT BAKE IT.
Looked like the pace of the Spurs
without the pesky little details like execution.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
That was bad
And it was obviously coming. I actually don’t think we have been playing that well for a couple of months, especially defensively. And it’s getting worse. I think we are starting to see the effects of not having Steve Blake. And that frankly shocks me. I think a lot of teams around the league are improving and much like last year I think we peaked early. I’m not saying we can’t turn it around, but something needs to change. Maybe Dave’s suggestion is a sound one. It’s not like Nate is playing Greg anyway. And when Nick Collison outplays the Greg/Joel combo then we have problems.
Rudy has been figured out. Bayless can’t shoot a lick (as a matter of fact he looks worse than Sergio shooting). Sergio’s defense has regressed, Roy is spending more time complaining to the refs, Pryzbilla can’t make layups anymore, Batum only can shoot one out of every 6 or 7 games, Oden is back to fouling everyone in sight (remember how in summer league he was getting about 11 or 12 fouls a game). But mainly we can’t play a lick of defense and our offense is unimaginative. Maybe it’s unimaginative since we have Roy and Aldridge who can take there man one on one (and Outlaw as well), but teams are figuring that out.
Also the scouting report has definitely been passed around the league on how to create defensive mismatches for the Blazers.
In closing what frustrates me the most is that at this point in the season I was expecting our team to be improving not heading the other way. And we, despite our record are not. Maybe we are tired. But we are young so we shouldn’t be. Maybe mentally tired is a better way to put it.
Let’s hope a little home cooking followed by the All-Star break refuels us.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
Looking at the box score, I don't find any true center on OKC's lineup that would have played tonight. Embarrassing that we couldn't make use of that with Gregzilla
Collison and Smith are good and pretty big, but no 5s.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Yet Collison schooled them both.
How many dunks did he have over both Greg and Joel.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
we need to change our team mname after this game
We need to change it to
The Portlan_ Trail Blazers because we have no D in our name
also
Our starting C is now Greg Oen
Our starting PG is Sergio Roriguez
Our starting PF is LaMarcus Alrige
Our starting SG is Branon Roy
Our backup PG is now Jerry Bayless
Our backup SG is Ruy Fernanez
They will continue to be names as such until we can hold a team UNDER 50% from the field, so basically not for the rest of this season.
IT HAS BEEN PROCLAIMED!!
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
by SpyderRyder on Feb 6, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Maybe
P0rtlan_ Trail Blazers
(0 instead of o) because we have zero offense in the first half it seems
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
follow up
Zero offense in the first half (hence the 0 in the first half of Portland)
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
how about
Greg en
Brann Ry
Sergi Rriguez
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Here we go:
From the O: "Kevin Durant outplays Greg Oden as Blazers fall to the Thunder 102-93. "
http://stats.oregonlive.com/nba/recap.asp?g=2009020625&home=25&vis=22
Will be all over the web tomorrow, same headline.
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
we are almost first in offense
but in the bottom 3 for defense, to be a truly great team we gotta be in the top 10 for both categories, if we are going to be bad at defense at least have a faster pace since we do have the youngest team in the NBA.
Tweeting mad
I said this on twitter right after the game:
I’m spitting mad. I hate OKC. I like the players and the fans don’t necessarily deserve revulsion but I hate everything about that franchise about 2 hours ago from twitterrific
It’s making this loss a thousand times more painful. Amateur logos/uniforms, evil lying snake-oil owners, a market that never earned a team about 2 hours ago from twitterrific
I wish the Blazers had taken it upon themselves to punish this franchise for all the good people of Seattle. Just punish. Crush. Destroy. about 2 hours ago from twitterrific
Instead, it looked like the Blazers wanted to give them another quality win, as if to ease a painful transition. Disgusting and shameful about 2 hours ago from twitterrific
Ugh. I’m still disgusted.
< /war >
back and forth between the suns and the warriors
I really hope that the warriors can take this..
phoenix needs to fall fast and not rise again..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
OKC is not as bad as their record.
They have good players with Durant Green, Westbrook, Collison and others. And Brooks lets them play to take advantage of their skills. Our inflexible coach on the other hand insists that we play his controlled game both on offense and defense. Player A needs to be here, player B there, and if scenario one happens then player A is to do this and player B is to do that ……. This is a team loaded with youth, athleticism and speed. Turn them loose, let them play free and easy and watch them shine.
I doubt though that Nate will ever be willing to let go.
And I guess I’ll add it here. Passing on Durant was a mistake as some of we Edgers were screaming over and over a couple years ago before the draft.
Pryz at the 5, LA at 4, Durant at 3, Broy at 2 and Blake at the 1. That would be a hard team to stop.
Agreed though that Oden will get a lot better ….. if his mental make-up allows it that is.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
that would be a team hard-pressed to make stops
you guys think you’re upset with our team defense now? hoo boy.
Durant will become a good defender...
It might take a few seasons, but he will get there. Maybe Aldridge and him will spend the summer working on there D, that would be nice…
RUDY > MJ
Man, we need a guard that can make a solid entry pass into the post.
How many times do I have to see Oden fight and get position in the post. Then have the man with the ball look at Oden and fake and fake, then swing the ball around the top of the key. Man, get that ball down there.
Usually Greg tries to get a little bigger on the next time down the court and gets called for an offensive foul. That is on the guard from the previous play. That’s Sergio, that’s B-Rex, that’s Rudy and yes that’s you, BRoy. I’m tired of this.
We need more than
1 assist from our starting PG and
2 from our backup PG.
Were not going to win with those numbers. Oden and LMA had more assists…
Roy
He is getting whacked A LOT and not getting calls. HOWEVER, he needs to quit looking at the refs, flapping his arms as the other team starts running down court. Yell at the ref as you are catching up to your man. Yes Roy has a point, but don’t miss your layup, stop and look at the ref as the other team streaks down the court for open looks.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
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