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Reminder: Monday night is Powells Free Darko night!  730 PM at the downtown Powells!

Check out the Portland Mercury's feature with Shoals! Here's an excerpt from the interview...

Basketball books, they don't sell very well, so the worst thing we could do- on top of this being a weird book- would be to make the book hard to get into. So we had to figure out how we could do what we wanted to, and still make it accessible to other people who wouldn't necessarily care about basketball. We try to talk it up as a book for people who are really into sports, or not into sports at all. There's so much information in the book that's presented in such a way: here's what you need to know, why it is, and here is a wacky drawing.    

Ryan White at the Oregonian also makes an awesome promise to anyone who shows up to the reading.

Dwight Jaynes looks at tonight's matchup.  

Durant can score on anybody and is one day going to lead the league in scoring - particularly if OKC continues to flounder in the standings. He's good and going to get better.

Oden, on the other hand, is a post player on a team still incapable or unwilling to feed the post. It hasn't exactly accelerated his development.

Will Brandon ever feed the post with regularity?  One of life's eternal questions.  By the way, Dwight is on Twitter.  Add him.

Sean Meagher did a nice job interviewing Joe Freeman on the Oregonlive podcast yesterday.  Freeman joins Team Bayless and drops a hint about that trade Quick was talking about on the previous podcast.

Sean also has a strong interview with a "Thunder" blogger.  The highlight for me: his thoughts on the possibility of Durant leaving "OKC."  Shades of Cavs fans with LeBron.

There is definitely worry. Because we're really falling for this guy and it would break us if he left for money and fame. But I honestly don't see it happening - as long as "OKC" pays him. 

I didn't notice any of you post this in the fanshots (then again,  Me :: Fanshots as Nick Young :: Purity of Basketball) but you should check out the sweet graphic Casey Holdahl has going in his explanation of the UCLA Cut.  

Last but certainly not least, Kevin Pelton from BP worked up similarity scores for some of the all time greats, as requested in the comments of this week's two posts about similarity.  Here are Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and Shaquille O'Neal after their rookie seasons.

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Pretty incredible stuff.  That's why KP2 rules.  He also wrote the following note...

If you would have tried to run this for Jordan in 1985, even granting you only had six years of data, it would have told you nothing.   There hadn't been a player to come into the league like that in that time frame.

MJ was literally statistically incomparable when he came into the league.  Awesome.

Tonight it's what we've been waiting for all season: the epic matchup between Kevin Durant and... Jerryd Bayless!  Dave has been called into the Blazers war room after his phenomenal post about trading possibilities, so tonight so I'll be manning the post-game recap. Tweet me or email over funny links during or after the game. This has the makings of an incredibly exciting affair.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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that list of names under Magic (low numbers granted) has got to be the strangest group i’ve seen on one of these..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
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by idoltime on Feb 6, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

I think it's pretty interesting that...

Chris Webber is on all four lists. I always thought he had a top 5 skill set of all time, and even though he had his shortcommings, was one of my favorite players ever.

by Grey Home on Feb 6, 2009 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

Also interesting that each of his listings is from a different year, as his game sort of changed due to injury, age, etc.

by samuelleejackson on Feb 6, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

From Kevin's listing I took away the following:

Jordan may be the most outstanding player, but he’s not quite in a class of his own as Larry Bird and Magic appear to be. (Taking a second look, I guess I have to include Shaq as well.)

In other words, Jordan may be the best, but when it come to the type of player he was, guys like Kobe, James and McGrady are comparable. There never has been a PG like Magic – though LeBron might have qualified if he and the Cavs had decided to make him one. And with the possible exception of Dirk (who is pretty much an anomoly himself), there hasn’t been anyone quite like Bird.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Feb 6, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

no doubt. great conclusion. shaq is totally off the charts.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

But remember, this is comparing rookie years. Jordan as a rookie was not unique, there were basically 3 comparable players.

Bird as a rookie had one comparable player. But of course, Dirk had played overseas….

Shaq and Magic had none, really.

Remember, this doesn’t mean there weren’t any players of similar value, it just means that there weren’t players with similar statistics.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Feb 6, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But he is not comparing rookies to rookies

He is comparing rookies to the best of everyone else’s entire careers.

Kobe wasn’t a rookie in 1999 and 2001.

So it doesn’t matter that Dirk played overseas because all of the comparisons allow any player to be taken from their prime.

".. is gumby an alien?"

by staylost on Feb 6, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The comparison is by age

So Kobe age-19 is compared to Magic, but Kobe age-21 is compared to Jordan. That’s why I didn’t do Kobe, LeBron or Dwight Howard — they’d all be similar to the same group of two or three players who played a lot and played well right out of high school.

I think it is safe to say that Magic’s skillset is more unique than Jordan’s. James and Penny Hardaway are the only guys even remotely similar I can come up with.

by kpelton on Feb 6, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification

I was trying to sort out why comparisons of Jordan and Magic weren’t equadistant from one another, and that is the answer.

Cool work man!

".. is gumby an alien?"

by staylost on Feb 6, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin

something that would be incredible would be to look at Jay Williams, and his similarites before his motorcycle accident. He seemed on a course to be really, really good.

by Cablinasian on Feb 6, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't the Epic Matchup between Bayless and Westbrook???

Wasn’t Bayless slotted to go to “Seattle” at No. 4 in every single mock draft until DraftExpress put Westbrook in there two days before the draft????

Wasn’t KP really high on Westbrook???

I think those two will be compared like Foye and Roy throughout their careers…

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

How we managed to get Bayless was beyond me. Westbrook is pretty dang good though.

by GUnit on Feb 6, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Woulda loved Westbrook

The kid can play D and the kid can also run an offense and score when needed. I was hoping we’d be able to grab him or D.J.

by Zaig on Feb 6, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Hooray for...

the “we’re kind of like Hall of Famers” team of Terry Cummings, Nene, Clark Kellogg and Benoit Benjamin!

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 6, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

What is the cut off date?

Obviously we are talking modern era without Wilt, Bill, Oscar, Kareem?

by Interested on Feb 6, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

This is why we need to keep Travis and obviously Roy

See this link. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 6, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

phoenix two years ago, he had a running layup and missed.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

that was a bad miss too. Ship Trav out of town on the first thing smoking!

by Lance Uppercut on Feb 6, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

i actually called up gavin’s postgame show after that game and let loose on poor trav. i had too much beverage during the game. this was long before i knew gavin.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

one of two times ive ever called sports radio. i forget the other one.

by Ben Golliver on Feb 6, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If beverage was involved there as well,

I’m sure whoever you called has not forgotten it!

by MiledAnimal on Feb 6, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

He already knows that the fans hate him (his cuz told him)…

Then he shoots that terrible layup?? Get him outta here.

Jk, he’s really played nicely on offensive lately…

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 6, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Psh two years ago

At least he’s a perfect 6/6 with our current team

by Eventine on Feb 6, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

great point on greg oden

isnt basketball about mismatches? oden is a mismatch for more than half the NBA teams, they have no one big enough or strong enough to handle him consistently.

if its his defense that is bad, fine, dont give him the ball, but some of his fouls are related to the guards bad pick and roll more than anything else.

we are not utilising or developing oden enough in game in my opinion.

by Yawnie on Feb 6, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

That was a good Oregonlive podcast

It's not offensive until someone reads it.

by Dragline on Feb 6, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

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