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Today's Poll - "Thunder"

I hope you saw Henry's recent post about the bad economy's effect upon "Thunder" co-owner Aubrey McClendon (he's a dude, don't bother google image searching).

Henry quotes the Wall Street Journal's Robert Frank...

Mr. McClendon is one of the top wine collectors in the country, known for his love of Burgundy and Bordeaux. He also is known for his cash crunch. Last fall, he was forced to sell 94% of his stake in Chesapeake to pay back margin loans. Mr. McClendon's stake once was valued at more than $2 billion. So it wouldn't be surprising if he were to want to liquidate some of his, er, liquid assets.

Mr. McClendon, through a spokesman, didn't respond to a request for comment.

Sotheby's says it expects the sale to fetch at least $5 million -- not much for a former billionaire, but these days every little million help.

What I wouldn't give for a bottle of the prized 1988 Duránt Kévin. 

That auction is not very good news. The one "certainty" during the whole Seattle/"Thunder" mess was that, sure, the Okies are the devil incarnate but they are undeniably wealthy.  They probably still are... just a few weeks ago Clay Bennett went so far as to call "Oklahoma City" recession-proof.  He also likes his team's logo, though, so he might be living in an alternate reality.

For today's poll, please take absolutely everything into account (the economy, wins/losses, local interest in the team, small market, ownership group, television exposure, what will happen when KD bolts?, etc.) because I'm asking this as a serious question. Remember, Harry Glickman had to scrape and scrap to get the Trail Blazers franchise.  And look: it's 2009 and Portland's still humming.  

From one small market to another: does "Oklahoma City" have a long-term future in the NBA?

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

Poll
Does the "Thunder" still exist in "Oklahoma City" in 10 years?
Yes
218 votes
No
543 votes
Other, that I will explain in the comments.
3 votes

764 votes | Poll has closed

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Don't want Duránt Kévin now

He’s skunky, he has the OKC funk on him that will never wash off. Besides, you don’t date your friend’s ex.

It's not offensive until someone reads it.

by Dragline on Feb 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

OKC will flourish in the NBA

Especially if they can contend in the next few years, and they have a few nice pieces in place already. But even if they don’t contend in the next few years, they will be fine because those rich guys can wait 10 years for a contender, no problem. – Elgin

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

No they wont last...

Their market is to small, at least in Seattle they had a loyal fan base to count on here. With the economy the way it is I dont see them lasting 5 yrs. Maybe the will be a gypsy team traveling the world.

by blazerchamp on Feb 6, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Small market but the Thunder is all they have...

I have a few friends from the OK state and they said that the games are always packed. It doesn’t matter that the team isn’t winning games becuase there is literally nothing else in town to do. It’s like Thirsty Thursdays at Portland Beaver games. You go because it is the thing to do. Anybody who is anybody is at Thunder games. Unless they miraculously come by another major league franchise, the Thunder are staying put for a long time to come.

by PtownJake on Feb 6, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

packed in year one is a given.

fast forward 5 years or so, and see if it’s still packed.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Feb 6, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The thunder and the fans are on honeymoon right now, the team can do no wrong in the fans eyes. 2 years from now when the thunder are still in the lottery thats when we will really get a better gage of if they are staying or going.

Portland in 1971 was only a city of around 250,000 Im biased about the sonics I really cannot make a rational call about the thunders future.

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

by Dragonage on Feb 6, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

There was a lot less competition for an NBA team in 1971.

Ben, you could ask that question about most of the franchises in the NBA, including ours.

by MiledAnimal on Feb 6, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

two words:

Boone Pickens. nuff said.

by c'est bon on Feb 6, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

They will still be there

if they can keep Durant. He is a superstar that will make them a playoff team year after year. Their GM is smart, and so far has drafted well, so as long as they don’t make dumb decisions they will be fine.

by usmcr3049 on Feb 6, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

I think they'll still be there

They have a great young nucleus in Durant/Green/Westbrook and the fans will come out to see those guys play. If they lose Durant, then they might be in trouble, but I don’t think they will.

This Thunder team will win ~35 games next year and be above .500 the following year. Book it.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 6, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

And some nice draft positions

already secured by Presti. This is a team I expect to be giving Portland some serious competition 2 or 3 years from now.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Feb 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

NO

There’s no question they’ll be gone. They won’t be able to trade cause no one will want to play for them, they’re broke, their team sucks, their jersey sucks, pack it on back to Seattle

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

I hate the Thunder. And I hate Clay Bennett.

I hope they fold in the next 10 years but fear it’s too bright an attraction to not draw in all of them Okies. They’ll improve, they’re attendance will be stead any they’ll stick around unfortunately.

by ArbyOSU on Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

They're staying

They could lose all of their young talent and be a lottery team for ten years but I’ll bet they last longer than Memphis and it is the Grizzlies that will be losing their identity when Seattle picks them up in 3-4 years..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Feb 6, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

The bottom line here is

that nobody knows how the current economic mess will ultimately impact all aspects of life in our society. Sports included.

Economically, we now seem to be teetering on the edge of a vast precipice, the depth of which is completely unknown to anyone. Should it come to pass that we lose our footing and fall into that precipice, we’ll start witnessing changes that we can scarcely imagine today. Millions of seemingly “secure” jobs will vanish overnight; once impregnable fortunes will be lost.

If one accepts that as a possibility, then it’s not hard to foresee a hugely negative impact on the world of professional sports which is largely dependent on people (fans and owners alike) paying vast sums of money for the luxury of amusement. Hell, we already see some of this starting to play out in Major League Baseball. In year’s past, free agents like Manny Ramirez simply had to sit home and wait while suitors vied for the right to beat them to death with dollar bills. Yet today, nothing for Manny and many other “name” free agents. The player’s union is crying collusion. But I’m not sure that’s the case. I’ve heard reports that expectations for fan attendance at MLB games next year are significantly below what they’ve been in the past and that the owners are simple adjusting their expenditures accordingly.

Could Bennett be correct in thinking that Oklahoma City is “recession proof”? I seriously doubt it. Not unless OKC has somehow managed to develop a local economy that is somehow independent of the crumbling global financial system. I’m afraid that any further exacerbation of the economic crisis could have dire consequences not only for the Thunder but for many other small market teams not owned by the fourth richest man on the planet.

by knickfan on Feb 6, 2009 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

If the worst happens

there will still be an NBA but with much lower ticket prices and therefore realistic salaries for the players. If necessary, I’m sure there isn’t a single up-and-coming super star who wouldn’t play for 1/10th the salary these stars are demanding today. It beats working for a living.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Feb 6, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

True enough, but

it will probably take the failure of a franchise or three before we see that kind of drastic economic restructuring occur.

I doubt the owners would have much success if they were to collectively approach the players today and ask, “Listen, guys. Times are hard, people are hurting and attendance could really take a hit in the immediate future. In order to keep ticket prices affordable for people who are struggling, would you all agree to take a voluntary, across-the-board salary decrease of X%?”

Only when small market franchises start failing will it begin to sink in that the current economic model is unsustainable. And something will happen then. Because you are absolutely correct when you say that there will always be an NBA. Just like there will always be an NFL and an MLB. It’s just that we don’t know what they might look like, post-Crash, and who will emerge unscathed. But I’ve a hunch that franchises in markets like OKC are probably much more vulnerable to whatever upheaval may occur.

by knickfan on Feb 6, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see a big group of indignant players

(and a few ex-players) starting a new league if salary cuts happen. – Elgin

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 6, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Oil is going to continue to be valuable

They aren’t manufacturing much of it these days, so they have to keep getting it out of the ground.

OKC will not hurt as much as a lot of other places.

The only pro team in town (unless the Sooners football team is cheating again). They will be a winner in two years, and the fans will come out in droves. They will stay.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Feb 6, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

K-Bone & Westbrook ?

       My grandparents were Okies who moved to Portland
in the 20’s. My grandpa was a six shooter carrying, pool
sharking Okie from Miskokie. Upon arriving in Portland
he became a “paper hanger’; old school for interior decorator.
Wow, what a complete 180.
      In any regard, K-Bone may have skillz, but it’s still EARLY !
We’ll see how that 6’9”, 165 lb frame holds up to the years of
tough defenders and banging that’s coming. Will NBA teams
adapt to his gunning when OKC gets better ? Will he involve his
teammates when he’s doubled consistantly ? Is he going to be the
11 rebound a game player he was in college (and some BE’s predicted
would translate to the NBA) ? I loved Westbrook and wanted him in the
draft because of his committment to D and extreme athletic skills. He’s
a good running mate to K-Bone, since he dosen’t need shots, but I
prefer our unselfish TEAM to gunners who crave shot attempts ! We just
need to “Move the ball and move people”, as Snapper always said. It
would also help if we hiked up our collective shorts and played some
DEFENSE !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 6, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

They could have modest success in terms of fan base

if they put a good product out. The NBA has a good business model of putting teams in markets without much major league competition from other sports. Portland, obviously, and San Antonio come to mind. Sac too, when they were good.

That said, financially, I still think it was a bonehead move to move the team. Oklahoma will NEVER be Seattle in terms of corporate sponsorship, TV market, mechandise sales, etc…all things that cost up the value of a team.

By the way, both Portland and OKC are “small markets” comparared to NY, LA, and Chicago, but Portland is not comparable to OKC. OKC’s metro area population is 1.2 mil, Portland is 2.2 mil. Plus we picked up a few fans from Seattle. I bet Dallas still pulls some of the market from OKC as well.

by Pooh Richardson on Feb 6, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Other

they will exist but will play in the wnba

by Crushin Beers on Feb 6, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

Clay is SOOOOO far out of it calling OK recession-proof.

McClendon had to sell 94% of his holdings in the company he runs….and is selling off his prized win collection. Yeah….no impact from the recession.

According to the Mortgage bankers assoc., Oklahoma has 2.12% of its homes in foreclosure. That’s about 60% higher than in Oregon and 80% higher than Washington. Sure….no recession problems in OK.

Bennett is as believable about the impact of hte recession on OKC as he is when he says he did everything possible to keep the Sonics in Seattle.

by antediluvian on Feb 6, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Yes they will

The small market only show in town for the NBA is a working model. Blazers and the Spurs are the prime examples.

by robrun2 on Feb 6, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

2-1 Vote for No at the moment.

You can take one look at that poll and understand that the hatred for a transplanted franchise is still in full effect. It happens anytime a team moves from one city to another. P

Everyone see’s the success this season (Attendance) as a flash in the pants, and that it won’t last. Outside of one game, Thunder fans have packed the house, 18,000+ each night. The only night the Thunder drew a smaller crowd (5000) was because of a horrendous ice storm that made it extremely difficult to drive down the street, let alone across town/state to get to the game.

Anyway, my point is that the fans here are supporting the team, and this isn’t our first go round. We supported a team that wasn’t even ours for two years before this, so really this is the third year of success for fans in the OKC market.

WELCOME TO LOUD CITY!

by Mr Pappagiorgio on Feb 6, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

I'm saying yes

1) The NBA can’t move them that soon to the Seattle fiasco. The NBA needs the Thunder to work in OKC, and so Stern & Co. will keep them there.

2) Small markets work with a single NBA team, we’ve proven it, San Antonio has proven it, Utah has proven it, etc etc. They will continue to be supported by the fans, provided the economy doesn’t die.

3) This team will get better, with or without Durant. He’ll help, but they will still get better. Presti is no slouch, he is a very very good GM.

They’ll be staying. The bigger question is whether or not they will still be part of the “Northwest Division,” or there’s going to be some kind of realignment.

by usdblazerfan on Feb 6, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

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