Oden Vs Durant I
The world has waited years to see this matchup. But why is nobody talking about it?
Two once-in-a-lifetime type of players.
One, a freakish 7 foot, dominant defensve center who was tagged as a "once in a generation big man" and the "next Bill Russell". No one, other than LeBron, had ever been this hyped. NBA scouts were drooling over him when he was a 15 year old kid and the NBA was waiting for him to come in and bring back the dominant old-school center.
The other, a silky smooth 6'9 wing that scored at will. This guy looked like he was born to play basketball. He had a 7'3" wing span and moved like a guard. He was considered one of the best pure scorers to ever come into the NBA. In college, he one every award possible as a freshman. In fact, he was the first ever to win National Player of the Year as a freshman, and it wasn't even close.
For months, the basketball world argued and debated over who to take. You couldn't go on the internet without seeing something to do with these two. It was unlike anything I've ever seen.
Now, you know the story. Portland wins the lottery and picks Greg Oden, while Durant lands on what was then the Seattle Supersonics. The NBA immediately jumped on this. When the schedule was released, I remember seeing a picture of Oden and Durant on espn.com. Oden vs Durant was the finale on Christmas day and was one of the most anticipated games of the season. When's the last time a Blazers-Sonics regular season game got anyone outside of the northwest excited? Oden and Durant changed everything.The landscape of basketball, included.
Ok, so Oden misses the season and we don't get that Oden-Durant Christmas day finale. Now, here we are, in February 2009, and tomorrow Oden will finally play against Durant. Where's all the hype? I would have thought another year to wait would make people more excited. Last year this would have been a marquee game. Now it's an afterthought. No national TV (instead ESPN is going to Washington DC). No attention at all.
All those times you've heard, "Portland should have picked Durant" by some punk, and now they finally get to play each other. Finally. Somehow they never played each other in high school or college. In summer league, Oden was getting his tonsils out. In preseason and the regualr season last year, Oden was rehabbing.
Has everyone forgotten the big debate? I thought they'd be forever linked, but I've literally heard NOTHING about them playing against each other.
It's been over a year and a half since we picked Oden and now we finally get to settle it on the court Friday night! But am I the only one that's excited?
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I'm not necessarily excited about the "matchup."
I’m excited to watch Kevin Durant – one of the most tragically under-publicized players in the League.
In K.P. I trust.
I love that he is underpublicized
OKC deserves everything they get. Durant doesn’t, but he’ll leave in three years anyway.
Don't look now
but Durant is evolving into much, much more than simply the high volume, one dimensional scorer that many assumed him to be.
Over the past two weeks, he’s averaged 32 points, 8.8 rebs, 4.5 asts, 1 blk on 53% shooting. That’s LeBron territory, right there (and, for the record, here are LeBron’s numbers over the same time period: 31.8 ppg, 9.3 rebs, 8.1 asts, 1.5 blks, 47% fga)
I’ve a hunch that every time Pritchard has looked at an OKC box score recently, the ol’ stomach acids start churning just a bit. To this day, I remain convinced that Durant was “his guy” but that his instincts were overruled by the wishes of Paul Allen and the enormous public clamoring for Oden.
And, no, I’m not looking to reopen the whole Oden-Durant Pandora’s Box here. I still believe that Oden will have a career arc similar to that of Dwight Howard, which is not too shabby indeed. But, even were that to be the case, if Durant ends up being LeBron-lite (instead of McGrady V 2.0, as has been widely surmised), I wouldn’t be surprised to see an increase in the number of Blazer fans who come to regret the decision that was made on Draft Day 2007.
If we don't win titles, yes. If we do, not so much.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 5, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
My issues with these Durant stat love-ins
are that the team’s winning % is completely neglected because “his supporting cast is so bad”. But really, how much worse is it than ours last year when Roy was a second year breakout player and we managed to go .500 for the year.
PG
We had Blake/They have Westbrook. No offense to Blakey, but Westbrook has been ridiculous (20 FTs one game, a couple 25+ games) so OKC would have the advantage there
Wings
Roy/Webster compared to Durant/Mason
Say Durant/Roy are a wash since I’m comparing them, I’d say Mason and Webster (last year’s model) are/were pretty similar.
PF
Green vs. LMA
Maybe we have an advantage here, but if you compare the two, their stats are frighteningly similar. An advantage, but not overwhelming, I’d say.
C
Pryz vs. Collison
Yeah, Pryz is better, but Collison’s a decent player.
Bench
Jack, Trout, Jones, Frye, Sergio vs. Watson, Wilcox, Smith, and Krstic
Obviously Trout and Jones are much better than any OKC bench guys, but all those are pretty decent players.
So Roy had a little better of a supporting cast, but if Durant is so amazing right now (I don’t remember hearing anything like this about Roy), then how come that doesn’t make up for the difference in the supporting casts. Even if you argue that the cast is bad, they’re not nearly as bad as people try to make them out to be, and yet the Thunder are nowhere near our record last year. People talk about how great it is that they’re playing .500 ball the past few weeks with Durant, while forgetting that at a slightly earlier time last year, the Blazers were on a 17-1 run.
I have no doubt that Durant will be a great player, just something seems off about this complete excusal of his team’s inability to win games so far.
you just like playing devil's advocate, don't you?
if Durant is so amazing right now (I don’t remember hearing anything like this about Roy), then how come that doesn’t make up for the difference in the supporting casts.
are you arguing that he isn’t a good team player? it seems like you don’t really think he’s that great (“he ‘will’ be great”), and your argument is based on the fact that his team is worse than the Blazers were when Roy was a sophomore… are you arguing that Roy is better than Durant? I’m so confused…
by FranciscoSmith on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
My point is that record should count at some point
He scores efficiently and rebounds well, but for some reason his team doesn’t win. Compare Shareef and Rasheed’s career numbers before the trade. Shareef is superior in almost every facet but efg, and that is offset by drawing more fouls and having a better TS. And yet, Rasheed’s teams pretty much won everywhere he went and Reef’s never did.
I have no problem with people evaluating Durant based on his numbers, but at least say something about his team’s record. My point above is that his team is decent enough that if he were a game-changing superstar right now, it wouldn’t be almost 30 games under .500.
On that same point
Oden has probably won us 5 games this year (With help obviously) meaning he was THE difference maker in those games not where he helped. That is only half of what Durrant has won 11 (Again with help). It’s safe to assume Durrant won all 11 of those games and that he was the deciding factor. Oden is coming off of knee surgery has played 6 less games and is in his rookie season. Just saying.
That said Durrant’s numbers are amazing.
That said Durran could not co-exist with Roy. Let us not forget Roy wanted Oden not Durrant. I’m sure thoughts of shot #’s and touches entered his head when he came to that conclusion. He may also have felt (As I do) that the big fella was destined to win more rings.
I’ve never EVER had any doubt that Durrant would win the stat game. I’ve also had very little doubt (MF surgery obviously brought doubt at the time) that Oden will win more rings.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
part of the difference is that Roy was 24 in his 2nd year
Durant is 20 years old. He’s ahead of Kobe at the same age. He’s substantially behind LeBron’s year 2 production in terms of PER, but still putting up some unbelievable numbers for his age.
Boomshakalaka
I agree, definitely, but at some point, winning has to come into the picture
I’m just trying to point out that these excuses that people are giving for his team being so bad aren’t completely well-founded. Yeah,he’s getting his numbers efficiently, which is amazing, but at some point you have to start winning. Lebron’s cavs team his second year was probably as bad, and they finished above .500. Obviously he’s not Lebron, but since the national media seem to be putting him on that level, it’s fair to compare the two.
Roy will obviously never put up the numbers Durant will when they are at the same ages, but Roy seemed to come into the league pretty much already knowing how to win, so did Lebron and Wade. Durant still needs that switch to get turned on. For some, this just happens, for others it never does (T-Mac). I just don’t think the Thunder’s horrible record can be hand waved away given what the young blazers roster did last year.
Yep
see my comment above. I think you are on to something there. Ice in their blood assassin scorers do not always = winners just ask AI.
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So Roy had a little better of a supporting cast, but if Durant is so amazing right now (I don’t remember hearing anything like this about Roy)?
Do you not remember Roy making an All-Star team? I think that is showing some respect. Plus, Roy had 4 years college experience under his belt, he wasn’t a second year 20 year old.
Sure, Roy made the AS team
but I’ve seen multiple columns proclaiming something along the lines of Durant is an absolute game changer, whereas Roy was more of the “just another all star” variety. I don’t remember any more attention being paid to him than say, David West.
How much worse is his supporting cast than ours last year?
Much much much worse. Have you watched them this season? It almost looks like Watson, Wilcox, Smith, and Mason are taking bribes to throw games, they’re killing their team.
by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
The weird thing is
if you’d asked me my opinion of those 4 players two years ago, I’d have said the same things you just said. Not good but semi-respectable. Kind of shocking how all of their vets’ games have just gone in the crapper.
by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Also, your westbrook point is a good one.
But note that he didn’t start until about a month and a half ago. Pretty much around when they started playing .500 ball. Before that, they were starting Watson, who might take the worst player getting significant minutes award this season.
by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
To be honest, I might be basing my opinions on these guys
from a couple years ago and they’ve all taken massive downturns, but there’s a huge difference between being 6 games over .500 or whatever we were last year, and being where the thunder are now.
Like I said, Durant’s going to be a baller, I just don’t think he’s quite deserving of ALL of the praise he’s been getting recently.
then you're not paying attention
it’s really that simple. i kind of want to try to convince you that he’s indeed having THAT good of a season, but you don’t really seem to think anybody deserves recognition until after they’ve done something monumental.
by FranciscoSmith on Feb 6, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
k, whatever you say
Durant will no doubt be Lebron James with a jumpshot, and a complete paradigm shift in the NBA. We might as well not bother playing for the next ten years because this recent stretch shows he’ll be unstoppable for the rest of his career.
Of course he’s having an amazing season, possibly the second best or third best ever for a 20 year old guy and yet, it isn’t translating into wins yet. Lebron’s supporting cast was awful that second year in Cleveland, and his team finished above .500. The fact that he’s getting compared with Lebron is indicative of greatness, but I see him as still a distinct step below that since Lebron managed to win games with that team, and Durant’s team has the third worst record in the league.
well we finally found a middle ground
ok, i’ll meet you at he’s not LeBron… but you drive a hard bargain.
by FranciscoSmith on Feb 6, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Wow
he’s not LeBron is a hard bargain?
Durrant has always worried me with his skinnyness and that has never gone away. LeBron’s body alone makes him better then Durrant. The only thing KD has that is superior is one inch of height and ALOT of wingspan. Me? I’ll take the NFL running back at SF over a short Manute Bol who can score at will.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
i assure you there was sarcasm involved in my comment.
i put lebron on a pedestal…
by FranciscoSmith on Feb 6, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Durant's a fantastic player already
I don’t think Durant was ever “Pritchard’s guy.” I believe Pritchard made the pick, not Paul Allen (why do you higher a GM if you don’t let him make that decision?) or the fan base.
Durant’s is never going to be in LeBron’s league as a distributor. He could become a player with Kobe’s scoring and LeBron’s rebounding, however, which would be sick. I haven’t watched Durant lately so I can’t talk about his defense. I won’t lie though— Durant’s play is starting to make me very nervous.
Boomshakalaka
I don't feel like doing a Google search
but I still vividly recall Pritchard’s continuous, gushing public praise of Durant leading up to the draft.
At the time, some suggested it was all part of a “smokescreen.” But to what end? As the holders of the first overall pick, the Blazers were in total control of their selection. The “smokescreen” theory would have made a lot more sense if the Blazers were seated at #2 and they were trying to con the team ahead of them into selecting someone other than who they really coveted.
No, I think that Pritchard’s praise was 100% genuine. And we also know that his trusted “algorithm” scored Durant much higher than Oden. I still believe that, left to his own devices, he would have spent that #1 pick on Durant.
But had he done so, he also knew what the public relations fallout would have been. 2007, after all, was the year of the “Oden draft.” At least half a dozen Blazer fans who I worked with at the time semi-joked that they would storm One Center Court armed with hot tar and pitchforks if the Blazers selected Durant. As much as he loved Durant, Pritchard probably also realized that he didn’t have a compelling enough case to “sell” the pick to the public. And to Paul Allen.
Yes, Paul Allen. The notion that Allen simply hires GMs, steps aside and lets them do their thing has already been debunked. Recall the aborted trade with the Knicks in which Allen (thankfully) put the kibosh on a Nash-Isiah agreement that would have sent Ratliff and Darius to the Knicks for David Lee and Penny Hardaway’s expiring contract. At the time, Allen absolutely loved Darius and, as we all know, the Blazers are ultimately Allen’s plaything. If he feels like using them as his vehicle to engage in a real life game of fantasy basketball, that’s a prerogative that no GM could ever deny him – unless he had a rock solid case. But I think Allen was just as caught up in all the Oden hooplah as the rest of the hoops world and that nothing Pritchard would have said could have changed that.
Again, please don’t misread my intent here. None of this is to suggest that Portland made the wrong pick when they selected Oden. It’s waaaaaay too early in either man’s career to even have that discussion. My only point is that I think that in his heart of hearts, Pritchard believes it was the wrong pick. And that Durant’s recent ascension to the next level of basketball greatness probably makes him feel more than just a little bit queasy. Of course, he would never come out and publicly acknowledge as much. So, like the rest of the Blazer faithful, he can only sit silently by and hope that Oden’s recent flashes of brilliance soon come with the same consistency that Durant appears to have achieved.
I have no way of proving you wrong
I just disagree. Pritchard had major praise for both Oden and Durant. He repeatedly said things like “Durant will be a scoring champion, Oden will be a champion.”
Allen loved Miles, yes, but I think he realized the mistakes he made during that era and now trusts Pritchard to do his job.
If there’s one person who strong-armed Pritchard into taking Oden over Durant, I’d say it was more likely Nate McMillan than Paul Allen.
Again, I have no way of proving you wrong, nor do I have a problem with your statements here… I just disagree.
Boomshakalaka
Maybe
they hoped to get the #2 pick from Seattle + future picks and/or players and that was the angle that KP was working?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Also want to say
everyone acts like it was Oden Vs. Durrant in a one on one game in the vaccuum of space. THere was this guy on our team named Brandon Roy who looked like he might you know touch the ball now and then.
Durrant and Roy could not co-exist.
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I think they could co-exist
They don’t play the exact same position, and they’re totally different bodies. Roy could easily play a lot of 1 and 2 with Durant at 2/3/4. I’m not saying they’re a perfect match, but Roy likes to distribute, too.
In K.P. I trust.
What do you think Odens stats would have looked like if he were in OKC?
I say 18ppg, 14rebs, 1as, 2 blks, 60% fg. He would be getting the shot attempts there.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Nah, what woulda happened
is PJ would’ve tried to protect his frail body by making him the SF and making him be the guy who runs back to protect the bucket in transition instead of trying to get the offensive boards. He’d have been killed going up against much smaller quicker guys, and everyone would be talking about what a terrible defender he is.
by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I am going out on a limb
as I dont have Hollinger access on ESPN, but if you pace and minute adjust those stats they wont look quite as good. They would still be really nice, but not as nice as those.
You cant knock his great shooting %s though.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
his pace and minute adjusted PER is 20.4
That’s 25th best in the NBA— all star territory.
LeBron and CP3 are both above 30. At age 20, LeBron’s PER was 25.7. Roy’s current PER is around 24.
Boomshakalaka
and it's worth mentioning that this has gone up radically
since they fired PJ. PJ was killing that guy’s game, honestly I think Presti hired him deliberately to make sure they got a great draft pick last season.
by howlingfantods on Feb 6, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Could care less about this game, just want a win. Durant and Oden are too different for this
to be some battle of the draft picks.
Durant vs Batum
Yea, this is going to be fun to watch.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Why does always one guy need to lose?
I don’t like that concept. True, I fall in that trap myself from time to time when I don’t like a player, but here it’s really comparing two very good ones. I believe the Blazers drafted more by interest/need (like in a negotiation) and not by best player available thinking the other one would be definitely worse. What they wanted was that gregarious big man to patrol their paint for the next decade and that figurehead for the franchise (can you imagine thousands of fans chanting Kevin, Kevin at his welcome party in Portland? Me neither. Not such an iconic figure). They didn’t really need another wing scorer on a team that already had Roy and Webster/Outlaw. They passed on a very good player who Seattle was very happy to get and build around (unfortunately on the cheap and elsewhere), otherwise it wouldn’t have been that much of a discussion. I think in the last draft it was much clearer that Rose would have more of an impact than Beasley. Can you imagine the Bulls fans now if the team had not taken Rose? In 2007 it was more in the air. But instead of talking one guy down to make the other look better, why not accept that both will have good careers and a noticeable impact for their teams?
by Norsktroll on Feb 6, 2009 11:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I agree
I see it more of as an Hakeem-MJ situation (with hopefully a slightly different outcome) in the sense that both teams are getting potential HOFers and can be happy with the pick. Maybe we’ll look back in 20 years and wish we had Durant, or maybe we’ll be happy we didn’t, but this bust vs. HOF argument is getting a little played out.
Thank god for KP...I mean Norkstroll
Your analysis is totally correct. +1
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"Somehow they never . . .
played each other in HS or College "
Incorrect. They played in the McDonalds HS All-American
game at Cox Arena/SDSU. My buddy was at the game
and GO either blocked or changed the first eight shots.
Blocks on Spencer Hawes & Durant were in that streak.
Look it up !
My impressions of the matchup are:
1. Durant vs GO is not a matchup. SF vs. C.
2. GO plays on a much more balanced and unselfish team.
3. Durant is a gunner, who needs shot attempts to prosper
and is having a good stretch while NBA teams try to stop
other players from going off. If he’s gunning, others are standing.
4. GO does not get many opportunities to prosper in the post and
is much further behind in his development.
5. GO needs to get the first three possesions run thru the post to
help him get going on the boards and on D.
6. The Blazers don’t need more scoring, just more ball & player
movement, rebounding and basket protection.
7. K-Bone needs to be put on his rear a couple of times if he drives
to the hoop. Old school Bad Boys style. Too bad we don’t have any
tough guys. Oh sorry, perhaps Joel or GO are up to the task.
8. Tighten up on Durant and make him a passer !!!!
It's GO time !

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