Bored At Work? Help Dispel an Aldridge Trade Rumor
by Ben Golliver on Feb 5, 2009 2:49 PM PST
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PrintSo the DallasBasketball.com "buzz" offers a trade rumor...
Amar'e Stoudemire for Raef LaFrentz and.... wait for it... LaMarcus Aldridge.
Curiously, although the writer, David Lord, has a Ball Hype link next to the article, he doesn't list his email address on the article page and the article page doesn't allow comments. Lord writes "I really think it will" happen although the lede to the article sounds like he's admitting he's totally making it up.
In any case, you should probably help list off the reasons why this won't happen in the comments. Be humorous, whimsical, dragline, whatever.
Ready. Set. Go.
Rec your favorites.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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We won't trade for Amare because....
we don’t wan’t a micro-fracture front court
(or a “me first”, “I’ll play defense when I want to” type player)
by trailblazersfan on Feb 5, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
We cant do it
This trade would not work. We already have a player on the Blazers wearing Jersey #1…Ike Ike Baby. So we would have to package Diogu in the deal or it is impossible
by kurtyk on Feb 5, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You cant just give up Ike!
who would hangout with Frye at the end of the bench he is our 2nd best cheerer to Randolph keep the team the same. Send Amare to a team that has an open number 1 jersey
ALLLL Rudy Then!!!!!
by Miker Blazer on Feb 5, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
diogu makes the bench look really excited on tv
theres value there
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Feb 5, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yea but nobody can top this move by
Channing Frye on the bench…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kql3eCnahEs
ALLLL Rudy Then!!!!!
whoa
you spelled everything perfectly! YAY! high 5s lol.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 5, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
sorry to comment-piggyback but...shouldn't this thread be titled: Help dispel one LMA Trade Rumor...and start another.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
And then we might as well
just pick up Nash, Hill and Richardson. We could use Phoenix for our winter homes.
by pdxer in dfw on Feb 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh snap
+1 for the Dave suckup, -2 for the idea though.
Net result: -1
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 5, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This will totally happen.
The thing we need the most is to get even worse at defense. That would take us to instant contender status.
/s
that would be a sad day.
and I’m one of LMA’s biggest critics around here. But seriously, Amare? needs to shut up and play.
by howlingfantods on Feb 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Amare isn't making us a championship contender...
So don’t do it. LMA’s future is brighter than Amare’s, and that is not the position we need to improve at. It’s gotta be a point guard or a small forward, or we don’t move forward (actually, it has to be a good perimeter defender or some type or we don’t move forward)
I disagree
Amare is is what LaMarcus could dream of being someday
bring back taurean green
by thomasikehara on Feb 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
lol minus the defense and shooting
Amare the One-Dimensional Wonder
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Amare is actually a really good jump shooter.
by erastus25 on Feb 5, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he doesent have the range that lamarcus does
but he is pretty decent inside the college 3
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
do it
Amare solves 2 of the 3 problems with LMA— reliance on jumpers and failure to draw fouls. Defense would still be a problem, however, but no more than it already is.
Defensively, LMA=Amare.
Boomshakalaka
Wouldn't Amare just leave when his contract ran out?
I agree that it would be an upgrade, but I doubt Amare is super pumped about living in Portland.
I want to put points on your face.-Rudy Fernandez
Then I guess you don’t do the deal.
I want to put points on your face.-Rudy Fernandez
by Winchester on Feb 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
trust nothing Amare says
he wants gold and glory.
and by gold I mean $$ and by glory I mean 25+ points per game guaranteed.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
AMEN
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Amare should join J Johson in Atlanta
They can have glory together.
that sounds covertly sexual
but I imagine that was not the intent
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Snake
there are Raptor fans everywhere who are dying to do a Bosh-Aldridge and more player deal. Why would be go for an older, disgruntled Amare?
If we were going to go for a major PF upgrade, we’d go to Bosh, methinks.
I would also much prefer Bosh to Amare
Despite what Raps fans think, however, I highly doubt Bosh is on the move. Jermaine, on the other hand, is likely going somewhere.
Boomshakalaka
If he's saying that he won't resign in Toronto
and rumor is he won’t, because of low fan support, then he is a viable option.
I, for one, would be thrilled
if Portland could pull off Aldridge+(any other player outside Roy/Oden) for Bosh. I don’t think it will happen, however.
Boomshakalaka
Did you read my trade post a few days back?
I know bloggers don’t run the team, but the head of the most prominent Raptor blog would kill for a LMa-Bosh trade.
I don’t think it will happen for chemistry reasons, but still. It’s a better option than Amare.
I form my own largely stats-based opinions
and I think the Raps would be making a big mistake (unless they are getting something really good in addition to LMA, ie Rudy), even if they currently love the idea. As a Blazer fan I’d be very excited, however.
Boomshakalaka
LMA's trade value is sky high though
many NBA fans see him as close to Bosh. I think Bosh is clearly a rung ahead.
Don't do it
I know you’ve observed LMA’s increased repertoire of moves has increased yearly. This year he has added an up and under move along the baseline (not quite vintage Robert Parrish but hopefully getting there in the years ahead). Second new move is when opponent puts his left arm on his hip. He immediately swings both arms and the ball under and up drawing a foul seemingly every time.
Those are the 2 obvious ones. Proof that his game continues to evolve. His ceiling? No one can really say with any certainty. No doubt Amare will always be more explosive, but my 2 biggest factors lie with LMA’s character and his defense. I honestly feel that his rebounding will also continue to improve yearly as he grows into his peak maturity years (his zenith due to arrive years from now).
Finally our team is built around the draft; I cannot help holding that aspect of our team extra special in my heart.
The Oden Era, Day 594
Sure!
And KP is also willing to throw in a flying pony and magical beans that make you fart rainbows when you eat them…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Amare = Crybaby
This is why I want Aldridge
by peseme16 on Feb 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
Jesus
Look at Amare getting dunked on by LaMarcus.
Nope
Too big of a risk for PDX. Amare can opt out after next season and isn’t likely to be happy in Portland sharing the ball with a loaded team that plays slow.
Blogging Suns Basketball
by Seth Pollack on Feb 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Do they really think that they can
Pritch-slap the original slapper?
by pdxer in dfw on Feb 5, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This wont happen because
Amar’e would threaten B-Rex in his quest to remain the best dressed Blazer.
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
by Arby on Feb 5, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
then amare would get eaten by Rex
and we would have nothing in return at all
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
at least Rex would be full
for a couple of days. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
by 22baylor on Feb 5, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Even worse
We need him hungry out there!
by driver8x on Feb 5, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously,
why in the h*ll would KP do this? Amare is the “anti-Blazer”, more interested in accumulating minutes and stats than rings. KP has worked so hard putting this team together with character guys, and Amare is so self-centered, he would not fit in. Besides, w/ BRoy and GO here, he certainly would not be “the man”…..
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
IMO i think most of that is Hearsay, in SSOL Amare didn't come off as too bad a dude
although he was injured the whole time…
I think the whole character evaluation gets taken to extreme hyperbole in the media. Maybe Amare just doesn’t like the direction the teams going?
If we can take our pick of rumors
I’d rather have Bosh.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 5, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
neither one will happen, of course
But that’s my point… why would we trade our great young asset for a disgruntled, stat-driven, malcontent, when there is a classy, hungry, even better PF that is rumored to be available?
I would freak out if we got Bosh or Amare. The freaking out would be drastically different depending on which player, however. I’d hate hate hate having Amare on the team.
by Cablinasian on Feb 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree with Dave
The major point missed in the Amare rumor is that Amare can’t play along side Shaq; ignoring the elephant in the room being that in Portland he’d have to play along side Oden. In this sense, only the Bosh rumor seems viable from a PDX perspective.
three team trade
Bosh to Portland
Amare to Toronto
Aldridge to Phoenix
That’d be epic.
by PoliSam on Feb 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha
from the Toronto fans I’ve talked to, they would do just Bosh for Aldridge in a heartbeat. They really don’t think he will stay in 2010, due to the booing and losing.
Coangelo prolly thinks differently though.
definitely.
I think it’d take Rudy + Aldridge. Scott Carefoot of the Raptor blog place, and he agreed.
I tend to believe
that KP can pick up a good backup 2 in the draft in the twenties. A player of Bosh’s caliber is harder to find.
Having seen them both extensively
would Martell be able to fill in a lot of the minutes Rudy would leave behind? Martell seems really hurt.
i would be shutting down martell until september.
i think he plays the 3 not the 2.
but id worry about my backup 2 problem a lot less with a HOF starting 4.
a backup 2 behind brandon is one of the least important pieces for us.
who backed up mj? anyone? anyone?
I meant going into the future, yeah.
the foot fracture scares me a lot.
Didn’t Martell come in as a 2, at first? I dunno, he played it a lot in his rookie year it seems like.
Ben, we can't make that deal. Bosh wears #4. You know who would cry terribly if we take away his number that he already imagined hanging in the rafters of the Rose Garden
Or maybe another dual jersey retirement :)
Dude, Rex is already close to clearing the bar for Blazer Jersey Retirement...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
If this keeps up
the Blazers will have to play skins every game—no jersey numbers left.
Either that or wear jersey numbers so high they look like prison IDs.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it so fun to imagine how a team would be if it were different than it is?
I love this team, but the pleasure of the counterfactual is hard to resist.
Pass that along please!
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Sure...
I’d go for that… cap space, channing get’s to play. Only question…
I love LMA he’s been good to P-town… can we dump him that quickly. Nate seems to see an all-star there.
No, this won't happen
Because it’s a stupid idea. Simple enough.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
by twiggs on Feb 5, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rec
The the extreme! The worst part of all of this is that KP, that’s Kevin Pritchard, a retired American professional basketball player and current general manager of the Portland Trail Blazers, has said many, many, many times that LaMarcus Aldridge is part of the big three and the big three are untouchable. The only comments in this post should be snarky ones. People should not be taking this trade rumor serious.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
by Dragline on Feb 5, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IMO
Bosh is not much of an upgrade from LMA, especially for what it would cost to land him. LMA is still VERY young, and will keep getting better and better…PATIENCE, my RipCity devotees….
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
No offense to LMA
and I love his game… he’s great. But Bosh is a huge upgrade. Huge.
by Cablinasian on Feb 5, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Win shares, PER, TS%, raw numbers
I don’t care what metrics you look at. Bosh is a lot better than LMA.
Especially for a player that is only one year older
Bosh > Lma +1 year more of experience
However I will be content to keep Lma and let him grow along side Oden and Roy. Amare however I would rather not have. Dirk would be a good option if he weren’t so old (assuming we want to swap PFs).
Adjusted +/-
LMA is beating Bosh in adjusted plus minus right now. Actually, LMA is doing extremely well in this stat right now, he is ranked #1 on the Blazers and #9 in the NBA.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
congrats
you found 1 metric out of the tens of metrics out there that says LMA is better than Bosh. I’ll go with the 99% that say Bosh is way better.
Boomshakalaka
Including ugly forehead stat
Common jk. no headband is gonna cover that ugly sucker up. We have to watch these guys on tv all the time.
Karma
Its only 1 metric, but it is an important one
I am reluctant to trade the player who appears to be most responsible for the Blazers’ success this year (and last year as well), especially when he is a young player on a cheap contract and has significant potential for improvement.
Bosh is a very good player, but I think we have more important things to spend our cap space on than trying to upgrade one of our best players.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or it may just be that LaMarcus plays the most minutes on a deep team that is player well
by danielfarrell on Feb 5, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Exept this team isn't playing well except when LMA is in the game
When LMA is on the court, the Blazers outscore the opponents by 8.29 points per 100 possessions. When LMA is off the court, the Blazers are outscored by the opponent by 5.49 points per 100 possessions. That means that the Blazers are an incredible 13.78 points per 100 possessions better when LMA is on the court than when he is not. That is far too big of a difference to be caused by mere coincidence. No other Blazer rotation player has even half as big of an on-court/off-court +/- impact as LMA.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
for half the season, when LMA was off the court,
Then Channing Frye or Ike Diagu was on the court. When Bosh is off the court, that big Italian kid is replacing him. That throws the +- off.
Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.
Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.
by Clevelander among roses on Feb 6, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
it the classic proven vs potential argument
on what each has so far proven, Bosh is clearly clearly a huge upgrade.
If you want to argue that LMA theoretical potential is equal to or greater than Bosh’s, you can make that case.
But in the end it comes down to whether you think we should take a risk on the potential or whether we should take the the sure upgrade in Bosh now.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
LaMarcus' best case scenario is Bosh, most believe.
And Bosh is one year older. So, if LMA fixed all the holes in his game by next season (big if), he’d be what Bosh is now, at the same age.
exactly
if you belive LMA’s ceiling is Bosh, you take the sure thing every time.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I definitely agree.
I think his ceiling is Bosh. Bosh shoots better, drives better, plays better defense, rebounds better, draws more fouls… all things that LMA can and might develop. I just can’t see a scenario where he is any better than Bosh, who maximizes his talents incredibly well.
Really?
Of course, he puts up better numbers, but that’s because Toronto is a crappy team. Again, I am not stating that LMA is as good or better, I am saying that the upgrade would probably be too expensive. For the other pieces that would have to be involved in a Bosh for LMA trade, I would argue that we would be on the short end.
Give LMA time….
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's much more efficient than LaMarcus
it’s not like he’s putting up empty numbers. He shoots very efficiently, plays better defense, rebounds better… all things that are crucial to winning. He’s not John Salmons.
He was better than Dwight Howard in the Olympics… and was a major factor in their success. He can succeed surrounded by no one or all-stars…great player.
But...
…is he better than LMA AND a Bayless, or Sergio, or Trout? That’s what it would take for the deal to happen, and I would hate to see this nucleus dismantled at this stage in the game.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
that’s the debate. It’s not Bosh vs. LMA. That’s pretty clear. It’s young talent + LMA vs. Bosh.
Can you imagine a Roy-Bosh two man game? That’s just cruel.
Bosh is
I believe a better rebounder, gets foul shots, and has better man-on on defense.
I like our chances of holding onto LMA long term more than Bosh though.
".. is gumby an alien?"
Which is strange to me because it’s a pretty big market. And man do they love their new MLS team up there. They might need to play the “international city” angle some more and aim at a different type of star. I imagine most of the european players in the NBA would enjoy Toronto. I LOVED the city when we visited.
by danielfarrell on Feb 5, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Or in some cases, as long as they are not named LaMarcus Aldridge...GRRR!
Blazer's Edge Ambassador to The Dream Shake Blog
LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
RRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well he won't find a more drooling pack of homers than us.
I admit it, I knew nothing about Bosh until I saw his youtube video for last year’s all-star campaign and the little “roving reporter” segment he did for Jay Leno. On that basis alone, he seems to have a really good attitude and a near-Frye level of media friendliness. This town would pick all the rose petals in Washington park and throw them at his feet if he came to town.
he's a good player
but not worth ruining the roses for. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
I think LMA is a pretty good defender
He is very versatile defensively because he is capable of doing a decent job guarding all 5 positions. This is very important given how often Portland switches on pick and rolls.
The Blazers do better defensively when LMA is playing than when he is not. That isn’t just because he is playing with the starters either, because usually our bench does better on defense than our starting 5. The Blazers do worse defensively when Blake, Roy, Batum, or Oden are playing than when they are not.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that's because if LaMarcus isn't in
it’s either Channing or Travis in the game, and they aren’t great defenders.
It is true that Travis is a bad defender, but
if Aldridge were just a little bit better at defense than Trout, the Blazers would still end up doing worse defensively with him in the game because he is playing with and against starters, and the rest of our starting line up is pretty poor defensively. The fact that the Blazers are better defensively with LMA in the game implies that there is a massive gap in defensive ability between him and the other Blazer PFs.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
He thrives in plus/minus because of how bad his backup is.
The metrics like defensive win share show that he just isn’t a great defender. He may be with time, but guys like David West have their way with him. The second Przy came in, West was shut down.
Przy can stop players like David West, but can he stop players like Chris Paul?
All the opponents have to do is set a few picks, and we will end up switching all over the place. When Przy or Oden get switched onto a guard, you know that there is almost a 100% chance that that guard will score (and if Oden is guarding him he will likely get fouled in addition to scoring). If Aldridge gets switched onto a guard, he might not stop them every time but he will at least have a decent chance of stopping them. That is what makes Aldridge a valuable defender for this team.
by trk on Feb 5, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather my big men be good at guarding other big men
than guarding guards on the perimeter. By the way, Bosh is also a very good perimeter defender.
That's the million $ question
Who is the young talent that gets the LMa for Bosh trade done?
I would not trade if it included Bayless, Rudy, Trout or Webster.
I would for Sergio , Frye, Diogu, or rights to Koponen.
I doubt I’d trade LMa for any other big man besides Bosh.
trout webby in a heartbeat
rudy and bayless would take pondering
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy yes, Bayless no.
We have a shooting guard. Rudy’s great, but his potential on this team is limited because of Brandon.
I'd do it with Bayless in a second
With Roy, Bosh and Oden, we wouldn’t need a great PG.
Boomshakalaka
I didn't say it right
I meant that I would much rather send Rudy than Bayless. The Raptor blog I talked to agreed… he thought Rudy would fit well.
Of course they did
Rudy would add to the CSKA Moscow All-Stars aka Toronto Raptors
by invinoveritas on Feb 5, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Bosh was putting up better numbers than LMA...
… when Portland was terrible and Toronto was a playoff team. Now that’s switched and he’s still putting up better numbers.
Boomshakalaka
At age 23, Chris Bosh had a PER of 23.8 vs. LMA's current PER (at the same age) of 18.9
Feel free to peruse other age 23 stats. It isn’t even close.
Boomshakalaka
the stats
seem to say he is a much better defensive player, if you buy into win shares and defensive rating.
I know...
I wrote a trade drawer about the topic a few days ago and was crucified by a quite a mass of Blazer fans.
Here's how much I think of Bosh
I would take Oden and Roy off the table and let Toronto take their pick of any 2 (or maybe even 3) Blazers of their choice. I would do Rudy+LMA for sure, and I would consider (but probobly eventually decline) Rudy+LMA+Bayless.
Boomshakalaka
sigh
as a Raptor fan said when asked about this, it’s a shame that team fanbases can’t execute trades that make sense for both sides.
I wonder how the chemistry would be, though.
In my Blazer mind
Who would you help off of if you had Bosh, Roy, Oden, Bayless, and Martell on the court? How do you defend that?
you'd double off Bayless and pray he hasn't learned to shoot 3s
Other than that, there’s not much you could do on D.
Boomshakalaka
I tend to believe in stats a lot
and Bayless was a good three point shooter in college. His form is broken right now. He is drifting forward on his shots. Once that is fixed, he should return to at least a 35% clip.
I agree
Bayless’ college numbers paint the picture of a respectable outside shooter. I also highly doubt he’ll continue being as bad as he currently is from out there.
Boomshakalaka
You are not gonna help
off of LMA, unless you want to see him put up 30 on you. Look, LMA has a lot of improving to do, but he is very, very good, and will get better. My best evidence is the fact that KP LOVES the guy, and KP is the smartest basketball ninja in the universe, so I will never question his moves or his motives…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is
that Bosh can take people off the dribble, thus commanding a double team. You can guard LMA with one guy because he’ll fade away, regardless of the defender. Shaq? fadeaway. Ridnour? fadeaway.
he hits a remarkable amount of them
but his style of play doesn’t demand the same amount of attention as that of Bosh.
nobody is knocking LMA
I love the guy, he’s great, and he will get better. But if you can move RLEC and LMA for Bosh, it’s a no brainer.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
That's a good way to put it.
I would even consider Rudy… I know, I love him as much as the next guy. But stars win in the NBA… and we’d have three, legitimate all-stars.
I'm the next guy and I wouldn't do it.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 5, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you think Rudy is an all-star type guy
then you don’t do the trade. If you think he’s a great role player, you do, I think.
Rudy's more hype than substance at this point . . . he'll be a nice role-player in this league
The Dude abides
Agree completely with your assesment
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
remember when i was pushing rudy hype after the draft
and you would politly remind me that europe did not play nba style basketball????
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
I would probably pull the trigger on that trade, but
I think it would involve more than RLEC. Sergio maybe, but there is NOOO way I would ok a trade involving Rudy. Portland will have three all stars in the next two or three seasons (BRoy/GO/LMA)….
Rudy is nearly at the all-star level now. I still think that the cost would outweigh the improvement. Maybe the heat here in Hawaii is getting to my common sense, but I don’t think so…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
If we had Bosh
that would be three legit contenders for top 15 players in the league.
Rudy’s an amazing role player, but at a position that we already have covered.
Three top 15 players = championship.
it's like
Chris Paul : Deron Williams :: Chris Bosh : LaMarcus
Deron Wiliams is fantastic… but he’s not Chris Paul.
I dunno
I guess I see Chris Paul as VASTLY superior to Deron Williams. He is the second best player in the game.
CP3 is the #1 PG
DWill is between #2 and #4.
CB4 is the #2 or #3 PF (up there with Duncan and KG). Aldridge is like the #12 PF.
Boomshakalaka
Look at this page
"Link"http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2008&p2=willide01&y2=2008
The gap between the two is even greater than between LMA and Bosh. Paul has elevated his PER to over 30 this season, as well. He’s way better than Deron.
derons been injured this year
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
well CP3 had epic level stats last year
should have been the MVP. how bout this year, excusing injury reasons
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul is having a season this year
that is almost better than any other season not had by Michael Jordan, as far as PER.
Deron is a middle of the road star.
Who would be the other 11 you would take over LMA at this point in their careers?
Carlos Boozer (injury prone)
Dirk Nowitzki (soft and quickly getting past his prime)
Emeka Okafor (neh)
Pau Gasol (maybe, but I could NEVER stomach seeing a former L@ker wearing black n red)
Zach Randolph (??)
Kevin Garnett (window is closing, and he is pretty much just a jump shooting punk @ss)…
I am interested on who you would take…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Assuming all are healthy
Boozer
Brand
Bosh
Duncan
Gasol
Jefferson
Nowitski
Josh Smith
Stoudamire
West
albeit i dont think they would all work on OUR team as well.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Out of those only
Duncan, what idiot wouldn’t take this guy (it would be like he had traveled back in time 10 years since we are like those old time spurs)
Bosh, scoring, young, and hustling.
Gasol for the passing.
Nowitski for the unbelievable scoring.
And that’s it. Only guys you would want rather than LMA.
Unless you like backstabbing, or even less defense…
".. is gumby an alien?"
And at THIS point in their respective careers...
if we are talking about the current Blazer teams, I would pass on Nowitski. Duncan gives you another three-four years TOPS, (just when the rest ot the team is heading into it’s prime). Gasol, again a L@ker, and I am against bringing in anyone who has the taint of the purple and gold.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
You may disagree with me, but I believe
Duncan or Nowitski for LMA and 2 = instant championship.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I don't disagree but,
A Blazer team with a LMA that improves to the level that I think he will be playing at in the next couple of seasons = MULTIPLE rings.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bird, Jordan, and Magic
might disagree…. Maybe I am a dreamer, but I would gamble a chance to be rememberd in the same breath as those legendary teams. I really think that the current Blazer nucleus is good enough to reach that potential..
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Look, I love LMA
He plays more minutes for this team than anyone. His defense is underrated according to me. I do believe he is going to be doing some serious improving. And I think that he is the correct piece at his position. LMA price allows us to improve more easily at either SF or PG if the prospects stay as prospects.
But I also think Duncan is preferable to Kobe. You want defense? Someone to hold everyone else accountable for defense? Duncan. Oh, the rebounding and scoring are unbelievable too, but that is just extra.
".. is gumby an alien?"
if we're just talking about THIS SEASON
ie age is not a factor…
Duncan
Garnett
Gasol
Dirk
Bosh
Amare
Millsap
Boozer
West
Rashard Lewis
Al Jefferson
Nene
Some of those guys are better classified as centers, I realize.
Boomshakalaka
And I am talking as a fit for this current Blazer team, future seasons included.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
disagree on nene and rashard
but the rest is right i think. elton brand should be on there too tho
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
but he has bynums disease
one half season does not prove anything to me
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i dont see it that drastically
I think the Jameer example is right on
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I stand corrected by your stats
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
I really dont see Rudy at ALMOST
all star level. he is a backup. A good one dont get me wrong, but getting bosh makes us instantly a top 3 team in the west, top 5 in the league
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention, the extra benefit
of a REBOUND driven player. LMA isnt exactly a monster on the boards
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I think Rudy will be good enough to be a competent starter on just about any team in the league. But your point is well taken and I agree that him being the deal-breaker on trading for Bosh is risible.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 5, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
The concept of
Rudy being “nearly at the all-star level now” is laughable and homerism at it’s finest.
by BeloHorizante on Feb 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Which I didn't understand
people don’t realize how good Bosh is, I think, because he plays for a crappy small-market team. If they saw him on TV all the time a la Wade or LeBron, they would realize that he’s on that level or just a slight notch below it. Bosh is WAY better than LaMarcus. It’s not a close debate.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
definately
kid STARTED for the Olympic team!
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Check the starting lineups
I think bosh started ???
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Bosh didn't start
but he played some crunch time minutes and was often more effective at C than Dwight!
Boomshakalaka
How is Toronto a small market? They don’t get listed in american markets but if they did they would be like 8th. Pretty good market… just not yet a proven good basketball city…
I guess it would help if they didn’t pick a stupid team name like the Raptors
by danielfarrell on Feb 5, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
So Bosh always leaves for a better offer
Whether it be money or chance to contend?
".. is gumby an alien?"
Reports are that he was seriously mad when Rap fans started booing.
The deal would be contingent on him agreeing to be a Blazer for the next 7 years, of course.
by Cablinasian on Feb 5, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If that is the case and you never see him lowering his level of play to seek a trade
You’ve got me.
".. is gumby an alien?"
Yeah I don't know the guy
but the Raptor guy I talked to said Bosh is a great dude, and just wants to win and be in a good fan situation. He seemed to think Portland would fit well.
Sounds like Marbury
j/k
Anyway, I agree that it would be good for the Blazers in that case. But personally I still don’t do it unless Aldridge likes the idea of a new team where he is No. 1.
".. is gumby an alien?"
It's more that Toronto knows they can't keep him...
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
the interesting part is that the blazers were in dallas and this rumors floats the next day. somebody pritchslapped this guy at the arena last night
Amare is what LMA will eventually be if he doesn't really improve
Amare’s really overrated
Blazer Fan
Defense
oh, you want more?
I’m feeling lazy, read the other reasons.
So not happening.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
It won't happen because we will trade Raef to Phoenix in a three team trade that lands us a player we need
From a team in the East where Amare is headed.
that's pretty reasonable.
Did you listen to the Freeman Chat today? He mentioned it’s a team looking to completely blow up it’s nucleus. That means that Charlotte is out of the running in the Quick rumors.
Points to Toronto, Milwaukee, and Washington, probably.
Good trade, but i would like to see us get Luol Deng...
instead of, or maybe along with hinrich personally.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Feb 5, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like it
Bulls love it
Phoenix gets money and… nothing else. TT and Frye are nothing. Sergio is solid, but just a backup to Nash.
Portland doesn’t like it because we still have 3 PGs who want 20+ mpg.
And they want to do that why?
Without having Raef’s cap space around this summer, what reason does Pritchard have to send Blake packing?
hakkaa päälle !
hinrich/bayless > blake/bayless
im not arguing that it should happen, im just trying to find a plausible trade involving the suns and blazers that includes amar’e and parts that are actually trade-able from the portland side.
im not ready to say for certain that blake isnt back next year but i wouldnt be surprised if he wasn’t.
blake’s whole attitude towards basketball and life is “nothing is guaranteed.” so i think he always feels that, especially given his history in the league and the young guys behind him.
he'll have a place in the league
and get paid a lot to shoot the three somewhere. Where does he live in the offseason?
ah
I take it you’ve climbed in the Gollivermobile and stalked him after practice. That’s dedication.
Doesn't look bad, though probably we could pull that off in a two-team deal
I just hope Phoenix doesn’t pull something like this with Amare going to NY. Then say goodbye to LeBron Cleveland, and monster competition for Portland in the future for a title.
i still think steph and lee is the perfect trade for us.
every day that passes it looks better and better.
and cut steph?
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
interesting. Is that preferrable to just cutting him ala Stevie Franchise?
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
oh god please please please
let him go to LA.. man would that F them up
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
heheh. im giddy
ok lets do it, just to watch them unravel. he would make lamar cry in a week
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Stephon just needs the right situation.
Stephon is a star. Stephon loves to play winning basketball. Stephon loves the fans.
I think you are just looking to see what give you more entertaining practice reports.
stephon is also a ballhog
alright stat master prove that wrong! :)
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Lee gives us rebounding
and poor interior defense… just magnifies our strengths and weaknesses even more.
I don't think he has great value with his current contract
He once was very cheap, not anymore. And his point guard skills are not good enough to start there for any serious team. He is good for 20 to 25 minutes.
Amen...
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul (till his extension kicks in next year), then Granger (till his extension kicks in next year), then Roy, then Durant
by invinoveritas on Feb 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
no
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
If Amare is unhappy with a slow pace feed the center team in Phoenix what makes people think that he’ll be happy in a slow pace feed the center team in Portland?
I’m pretty emotionally attached to LMA and even for Bosh it would be hard to let go, but a 1.5 year rental on Amare seems like a poor deal to me. If he were stuck as a Restricted FA at the end of those years then you could gamble, but he has the option to leave so why make a high risk play?
by invinoveritas on Feb 5, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ruben freaking Patterson?
Wasnt he the guy who dubbed himself “kobe-stopper.” God that guy was a douche
by blazerbeliever97504 on Feb 5, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Trade rumors are like crack.
I start envisioning Bosh in a Blazer uniform… seeing him and Oden work the post together…
here's my money quote
quote {The front offices in Portland and Phoenix have been regular trade partners in recent years, and much of the young talent now residing in Portland has come via picks}
Now if we’re keeping our trade open as the past, then we should get Amare for $3miliion cash and no players leaving Portland.
we got James Jones in the Rudy trade as well.
We want Amare and Grant Hill for three million dollars cash and a trade exception.
Get it done KP.
That would be friggin' sweet . . .
I love LMA and all but c’mon . . . Amare FREAKING Stoudemire . . . are you kidding me?! I would weep with joy.
The Dude abides
1. Amare wants to be the man
2. Amare wants a fast pace
3. Amare doesn’t want to play D
4. Amare wants a big market.
I would just weep
Just imagine the defense (or lack thereof)?
Amare is a DOUCH*BAG
His attitude sucks. KP has worked tirelesley to rid Rip City of the kind of attitude that Amare has, why on earth would he trade for a chance to have him destroy the chemistry in the season and a half that he would don a Blazer uniform?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Let Amare put up 25 shots a game on a lottery team
Keep him away from the Blazers.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 5, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Chicago would be completely stupid to not try to get Amare. He’s everything they are missing.
by danielfarrell on Feb 5, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently the good folks at DallasBasketball.com
aren’t aware that Bob Whitsitt no longer works for the Trail Blazers.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I will now give this trade proposal all the respect and attention that it deserves, in great detail.
no
by antediluvian on Feb 5, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
i live in phx
and everybody here wants amare gone. all he does is complain, the past month there have been several columns about why the suns should get rid of him. hes a pain to the suns.
looking at our roster what would you consider a reasonable trade
just so we have a suns fans point of view
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
who said i was a suns fan
i just live in phx. and they are one frustrating team to watch now
by tvnripcitybaby on Feb 5, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
the only suns i would take would be
hill or shaq, both good leaders that have been around for a long time
by tvnripcitybaby on Feb 5, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
ahh my bad.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
why trade for aMare when we already have aStallion?
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
by pxilpooshr on Feb 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good 'un
Made me snort my beverage of choice.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure which is more telling about the article ...
… the fact that the author self -described it as Vesceyesque
or
That the vast majority of comments here ignore the Amare rumor and talk about a Bosh trade.
The piece was another example of a guy who has to come up with something in order to get his check at the end of the week. I almost suspect his ear to the ground is perusing the SBN blogs and catching the Trade Drawer proposal that got some play here. In fact his trade looks almost exactly like what some here suggested. Yep, crack reporting that.
I really loved the guy’s reasoning on why it would be a good deal for Portland. That we need a veteran inside scoring presence. Let’s forget about Portland having one of the most efficient offenses in the league, or the fact that if we have any acute concerns (which I don’t think we do) it would be on the defensive end. Can’t let common sense stand in the way of a good story.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I guess the Bosh thing is partly my fault.
Everyone is ignoring the Amare rumor because it’s ridiculous… You’re right, Vecseyesque.
You are so right,
the Amare trade is almost too insane to comment on.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
oh ye of little faith
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't see any trade happening
let alone one that would absolutely change the team chemistry like it would to send LMA. I’d love for it to happen, but there have been no rumors, no mentions, nothing.
grassroots my man..
we are starting it here. take it to the raptor boards!!
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
someone email colangelo
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, our friend Adrian Whatshisname is on the "Trade Amare" bandwagon
While Stoudemire, 26, is the Suns’ most valuable asset, sources say Kerr has told teams that he’s willing to trade anyone on his roster except for point guard Steve Nash.
"Everyone is on the table but Nash," one executive said.
Amare in NY running the high pick and roll with Chris Duhon, good times.
by invinoveritas on Feb 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Keep Aldridge. If Amare played defense I might have to think about it, but he doesn't, and he is
not a smart player. It is hard to turn down, but stay the course.
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 5, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm!
This is not gonna happen but if this offer is indeed on the table then KP should seriously think about it. Amare is a more productive player at this point in time than Aldridge, however Amare’s production has been trending down from last year and his production decline is one of the biggest reason for the Suns demise this year. On the other hand, LA was never a very productive player and this year his production has decreased even more (and by production I don’t just mean points scored, but rebounds, blocks, steals and turnovers).
If the deal’s on the table what KP needs to figure out is whether Amare’s decline is temporary (e.g. loss of interest in playing alongside Shaq), whether LA has room left for improvement (he needs to improve a lot to be even an average power forward) and who will be a better deal two years from now.
I have just 1 thing to say: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blazer's Edge Ambassador to The Dream Shake Blog
LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
RRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was just waiting for you to say that..
took 280 comments or so, but you made it! :)
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, MY BOSH, NOOOOOOOOOO!
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
And even Dave
came in to discuss Bosh.
Stabbed in the back by the boss.
Poor Ben.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I love Rudy and all...
but if we traded him for an upgrade at PF, Martell would pick up a lot of his SG/SF minutes. That’s not a horrible option.
Heck, I’d trade Oden for Bosh. I just don’t see ODEN ever puting up 30 points. Sometimes I’m not sure there’s anything going on in his cranium.
Patience
And by that I mean, “NOOOOOO”
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess that I just have to chuckle at the fact that
Rip City is in the middle of the best season in what feels like a hundred years, and Blazer fans are ready to blow this team up already. i will repeat, KP is smarter than the rest of us + Albert Einstein COMBINED, and if he is happy with the current makeup of this team, then so am I. (Of course if he DOES pull off a LMA+RLEC + ??? for Chris Bosh, I will be the first to say that it was a genious move…..)
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
with our current roster...
… I’m not convinced we ever win a title. Get Bosh while keeping Oden and Roy, and I would be 100% convinced.
Boomshakalaka
I'm not convinced either
But I think we’re in the mix consistently for 12 years.
I’ll settle for that.
I don’t want to ever be a Celtic-style frankenstein monster of aging salary liabilities.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
But then you are not convinced the sky is still blue ....
… whenever we go a week with overcast skies.
hakkaa päälle !
We like to play GM
doesnt really mean we are unhappy with the current team.. just that we like to play GM. thats all
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
You gotta be kidding me!
I’ll give you that as of THIS moment either Amare or Bosh would be an upgrade at the PF position. But I think the question remains is how much of an upgrade are you getting? Personally I believe that an improvement in our PF position would do nothing more than make us a slightly better team NOW. We would still have to solve our PG and SF problem, and in doing this trade you have now gotten rid of one of your key assets to be able to go out and get a considerable upgrade at these positions. It is still my belief that in the long run LMA will become a PF equal to or even better than Amare or Bosh. which begs the question: Why would KP make this trade? Answer: He doesn’t!
My point exactly (almost)
I don’t know if LMA will ever be the player Bosh is, but I don’t think he will be siginifcantly worse either when all is said and done, and the cost of other pieces would be too great. Now if KP could pull off a RLEC+LMA for Bosh, I would in a heartbeat, but Toronto is not stupid, it would take more than that.
As for Amare, I wouldn’t take him straight up for LMA now, if character matters (and we all know it does…..)
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
if we compare the age 23 seasons of each player, we see that LMA is way, way, way behind those guys
Note: I used Amare’s age 22 season since he played just 3 games in his age 23 season.
The reasons for passing on Amare are very good— unlikely to want to play in our system, not much of a defensive improvement, career trending downward, etc. None of those apply to Bosh.
While there is still time for Aldridge, the early evidence suggest he will fall well short of the level reached by Bosh and even Amare.
Boomshakalaka
Could stats be a bit skewed?
I would argue that Amare’s stats are such because he played in a system where points and boards were plentiful, AND he was playing with arguably the best PG of his generation. As for Bosh, he played on a team full of crap. (I DO agree w/Cablinasian that Bosh is the best of the three).
LMA plays on a team full of guys that put up points and in a system that is much more controlled.
You also don’t bring up the fact that Amare is an ingrate and an @ss…..
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is that
Bosh wasn’t putting up a whole bunch of shots, like Zach Randolph, to get his numbers. He’s one of the more efficient scorers in the league… He gets a lot of points with relatively few shots.
Dude, THAT was a crappy team....
Anthony Parker was their 2nd leading scorer at 12.4 ppg.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bosh, Calderon and.......??????
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
aren't you kind of making the point for me that Bosh is a great player?
He and Calderon carried a team, and it was better than it should have been. He was also a terrific team player on the USA team, ended up working better than Dwight Howard.
I am not disagreeing w/ you about BOSH......
I have simply been arguing that LMA is not such a downgrade that it would be worth trading him PLUS cap space PLUS quality young talent for Bosh, that’s all. I would never diss a man who rocks the dreadlocks…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Amare's per game stats are certainly skewed
that’s why you have to use stats that adjust for pace and playing time. Look at PER, win shares, True Shooting %, Rebound rate, etc.
Boomshakalaka
It's the BEdge version
Of covering your ears and screaming “LALALALALALALALA- I CAN’T HEAR YOUUUUUUU!!!!” when the Amare trade came up.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
ANd just out of curiosity
Did you play too many JRPGs as a young’un and got elipses clogging your brain?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 5, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Top 5 reasons why this trade won't happen
5. You can’t trade a guy with two capital letters in his first name for a guy with an apostrophe in his… unless you throw in a third player, one of those guys with a clicking noise in their first name.
4. This town is Stoudemiraphobic.
3. Too many players with Arizona connections = entire team collapses in late spring with a bout of Seasonal Affective Disorder.
2. Jason Quick didn’t leak it to us in a slow, agonizing fashion (“We’re looking at a trade… it involves a tall player with a number of tattoos… and a team that may be looking to cut costs… and a city that is either to the south or to the east of Portland”)
1. $uns trades = Straight Cash, Homey.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 5, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
The last time I saw Bosh
he was the best player on the court. Oh wait, he’s always the best PF on the floor; there’s none better. He’s usually the best player on the court unless Chrysler LeBaron or K%be is playing. So one of the top five or ten players in the world isn’t worth acquiring, really? Throw in everything, the baby the tub and the kitchen sink.
Hm
The only thing you have to say to dispel this rumor is:
“Kevin Pritchard is smart and he will do what is best for the franchise. He is smarter than every one of us and certainly smarter than every rumor-mongering hack writer out there. Whatever is best for the team, he will do, and he knows the best thing to do is not shake us up in the middle of a great season for a disgruntled star. Don’t forget KP’s dedication to great character players.”
Bosh is not a head case
But just say no,amazing that this lame post gets more comments than most team blogs in a week.
by southern oregon on Feb 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Bosh is a pipe dream and Amare would be a disaster
Raptors would never do it. Is there a less intimidating frontline than Bargnani/LMA?
Amare on the Blazers would put up worst stats than he is now with the Suns. He doesn’t have a post up game or much of a face up game. Amare is turnover prone when he tries to create for himself and is a poor passer. Blazers don’t have a PG nor play the pick/roll to make Amare effective.
BINGO, BANGO, BONGO
Over my dead body
Amare is a selfish, one-dimensional black hole. LMA + GO= the Future.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 5, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
what's with the period?
And yes it does. Though not as much as Popeye Jones’ or Sam Cassell’s.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Nobody mentioned
Bosh is making 14.4 mil a year and contract runs out at the end of next season. Which means another pay raise will be due at that time. Also the Blazers are taking a risk that he will leave for a larger city. LMA on the other hand seem to be happy here in Portland and I think his next contract will bring him between 8 to 12 mil a year for three or four years. Now, do you still want to make the trade?
by Sungari on Feb 5, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
No
but i didnt want to in the first place,just say no
by southern oregon on Feb 5, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
With the risk of not having Bosh after 09-10?
Is LMA good enough to be the PF on a championship team? I think so. Yes Bosh is an upgarde but upgarde that don’t need. We be better off spending the money at SF of PG.
KP obviously wouldn't make the deal unless Bosh said he would resign
That’s not part of the discussion. If we traded for him, we know he’s a Blazer. We could then pay him the max (16 million ish) for six years.
Boozer promised to stay in Cleveland
and he left!
different situation.
Those guys were both free agents. Bosh has one year left on his deal, so we could extend him this summer without threat of another offer.
I think you have this wrong.
He can opt out, meaning it doesn’t matter how many years he has remaining on his contract.
hakkaa päälle !
Bosh would be such an upgrade that he would render our SF problem moot
All we’d need is a PG that could play defense, and there’s a chance we already have that in Bayless.
Boomshakalaka
I didn't know where else to say this, but thought it was really interesting
LMA’s field goal % for this season so far is exactly the same as last season. Check it out. That’s like a 0.002% difference—crazy. Is LMA the exact same player he was last year? Is he going to improve? Is he a robot built by Texas Instruments? These are tough questions. I love LMA like crazy, but just looking down the stat lines, I don’t see any growth this year.
LMA by month
November: 15.6PPG, 7RPG, 46% shooting, 1.5APG
December: 18.6PPG, 6.6RPG, 50% shooting, 1.6APG
January: 18.6PPG, 7.1RPG, 51% shooting, 2.6APG
One bad month can bring your stats down a whole notch. Consistency is key, and he is been far more consistent the past two months than he ever has.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
by damir on Feb 5, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
And to add
Meanwhile, Ama’re’s numbers have been dropping each month to where he is now at 19.7PPG, 7.1RPG, 50.7% shooting for January.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Its way more relevant to compare stats for the whole year, IMO
If November was an aberration, its effect will become minimal by the end of the season. For now though, 1 mediocre month is just as relevant as the two pretty decent (but still ugly in terms of TS% and Rebound Rate) months.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 5, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To clarify
This wasn’t meant to disparage LMA in any way. I just thought it was an incredible coincidence that his FG % was exactly the same; I had to point it out.
great idea!
let’s add this to it also..
sheesh..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
If that happens
KP has to includes himself and Paul Allen in the deal. DEATH WISH
as long as we don't get mark cuban back
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
For all the complaining about how our big men have to guard guards on the pick and roll
Why does everybody want to trade the one guy who can switch well?
Karma
I think you know why those of us in favor of the trade are in favor of it
The stupidity of our pick and roll defense is another issue entirely.
Boomshakalaka
I might do this trade if I would be Italian.
Prendiamo coscienza del piu` grande dono che Dio poteva farci: la possibilita` di Amare.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Feb 5, 2009 7:21 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Let's be conscious of the biggest gift that God can do to us: the possibility of "Amare" (where "Amare" means "loving").
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Feb 5, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bosh is a beast
anyone who watches the basketball jones knows that there a lot of raps fans who hear bosh might want to leave, and they want him out. I know lamarcus is cool but bosh is a superstar. KG and Pierce are super stars, kobe and gasol too. If we get bosh we’d be dominant. Amare would be a terrible idea, but if bosh was willing to sign a new contract KP should hop on that
Bosh is a beast. that's for sure, but lets look at the WHOLE picture-this isn't NBA 2k9.
players are real people with wants desires dreams and attitudes. If they aren’t happy where they are, they can leave for less or even nothing (i.e. Bosh unhappy in Toronto). Would it make sense to trade LMA for Bosh skill-wise? uh..yeah. But if you factor in the uncertainty of Bosh’s desire to live in Portland (small market, lower stats) long term, then you have an entirely different equation. LMA seems the type to be loyal if loyalty is shown to him. Respectful if he’s respected. And lets face it, he’s a stud. He’s the closest thing to a sure thing outside of Roy Blake—and of course channing—to prefer to stay put in Portland..
Plus, he wont be commanding max dollars in an extension this summer. Thems the facts. You gotta look at the whole picture.
LMA: high (probably moderately unrealistic) potential; all-star cusp established talent, likely to stay in portland, more cap friendly contract
Bosh: high (unbelievably) realized potential; superstar established talent, less likely to be content in portland, will command a higher contract (and would be a blast to see his personality mix with Outlaws & Oden’s in pregame: think Shaq’s levitation act/break dancing antics every night).
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Feb 5, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
the higher contract doesn't mean anything.
So, Paul Allen pays an extra few million in luxury tax. That’s not a problem. Why do we care about his bank account? We’re going to be horrendously over the cap anyway, once we resign Roy.
And if the trade was even rumored, it would be contingent on Bosh staying in Portland. The whole “Bosh could leave” subplot is irrelevant. If we make the trade, it’s because KP knows he is staying.
by the way
the whole “settling for lower numbers” makes no sense. Aldridge averages about half a shot less than Bosh. It’s not like he would be getting less attempts in Portland.
what about likelihood to stay in portland?
you kinda stayed away from the most important point there, huh? Also, Bosh’s shots come from a different offense in Toronto and he has a more talented playmaker (calderon).
And what does the cap matter? Have you lived in a cave for the last decade or do you just never watch the Spurs? Give me a break.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Why do you think LMA wants to stay in Portland?
Its a business. And why do you think Bosh WONT want to be in portland?
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
We are going to be over the cap, regardless of a four million dollar difference
between LMA and Bosh. If you add up all of our players, we won’t be close to under the cap. We don’t need a cap if we are loaded and continue to do well in the draft.
If we make the deal, it’s already been decided Bosh will stay. If he wants to test the free agent waters, KP doesn’t pull the trigger.
I wouldn’t be sarcastic when I actually did answer your question.
you kinda stayed away from the most important point there, huh?
And if the trade was even rumored, it would be contingent on Bosh staying in Portland. The whole "Bosh could leave" subplot is irrelevant. If we make the trade, it’s because KP knows he is staying.
same page man
same page
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think the trade will happen. It’s just funny that everyone assumes Bosh will leave Portland, where he’ll be adored, for less money elsewhere. If KP makes the deal, he’s already been assured Bosh will sign. We can talk to his agent if the trade talks got close, as you already said.
if he's for sure staying, then yes i take it.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
I think his reason for wanting to leave Toronto was that he didnt feel fan love
and we got PLENTY of that to go around
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Your last two questions
were unnecessary.
From what I can gather, Lamarcus is probably the least likely of our Big Three to want to remain in Portland, for what it’s worth.
—Dave
I dont buy the Bosh wont want to be in Portland but LMA will.
Quite honestly I see LMA as the most likely to leave.
youre making a HUGE assumption that Bosh wont want to play here because its a small market. He could win a LOT if he was here. And you have to remember, while we love these guys to stay, to THEM its a business. They are all guns for hire.
If you can get Bosh you do it. No questions asked.
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
you have LMA signing an extension next summer. You have Bosh opting out 1.5 yrs after this potential trade. Even if you want to be pessimistic, factor that in.
I am not a big fan of LMA’s style of play—I like Bosh better, but if you’re looking at it, you have to look at all aspects.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Well he would have an extention signed before we trade for him
so we could have a 5 year deal locked up
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
if bosh is signing an extension as part of the deal, then yeah you do it. i'd still rather find a way to get calderon to upgrade our PG though.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
he doesn't play enough defense
we’re already good enough on the offensive end… we are second in the league. What we need is defense at point guard, something that’s very rare. Luckily, Bayless has shown some potential there.
Disclaimer
I think the underlying assumption in this trade is that bosh will sign, if he won’t sign we won’t even take a chance of getting burned like the cavs with boozer. But if we have bosh we will be winning A LOT of games, and as long as we do that, he won’t leave. a lot of people thought pierce was like that, and once he started winning he decided to stay a celtic forever.
If a trade is imminent, Raps will allow Blazers to talk to Boshs Agent
If permission is granted its not tampering, Portland would have Bosh sign an extention before the trade is completed. So thats not really an issue
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 5, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I’ve been trying to say this. The Blazers would know whether or not Bosh would stay before they made the deal.
in that case then, my bad. you take bosh every day and twice on sunday.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yeah
We absolutely don’t make the deal if he wants to be a free agent. You are totally right… it’s too big of a risk.
However, if he extends with Toronto or agrees to extend with us, then we make the deal immediately.
I don't know if I would pull the trigger on a Bosh for Aldridge deal. Aldridge has good chemistry here and
is still an up and coming player. I’m too curious to see what he’ll become.
Bosh is way better right now but I don’t think Aldridge is done growing.
If Bosh moves to the west
we are totally screwed. Imagine Duncan, Stoudamire, Novitzki, Gasol and then Bosh beating the crap out of LMA every night. No thanks. Bosh’s game and style all suit Portland the best but Amare will do almost as well. It’s amazing people are suggesting LMA as the equal of these guys. None of those guys relies on a fade-a-way 20 ft jump shot. They go inside. Even Bosh with his sweet jump shot goes inside. KP is an absolute failure if he passes on a once in a career opportunity to land one of the two best young power forwards in the land. It’s even worse if they all wind up out west; then KP won’t look so brilliant.
That article has ZERO credibility...
1) Portland has a wealth of PG talent?!?!
We have a bunch of point guards, all of which are PRETTY GOOD, but each has their weaknesses
2) Rudy Fernandez is a POINT GUARD!?!?!?!?
Uh, no……
Again, I would be SHOCKED if KP brought in a “me first” type of player ala Amare. He has worked incredibly hard to put toghether a team of unselfish players and I don’t see him risking dirtying the pool as it were…
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
This is getting more and more amusing
Do you think they mixed up Fernandez and Rodriguez? It’s easy to do — all those Spanish guys are the same, right?
So you are in favor of no moves at all?
That’s cool… I just think if we have a legit chance at a top fifteen player in the league, we should take a hard look at it.
Bake this cake like it's home ec and your grade depends on it
We are a dream trading partner for teams like the Suns who are obviously not good enough to win a championship and looking to rebuild. I wouldn’t be surprised if KP gets calls every day by teams looking to help us ‘win now’ by trading us their malcontents for our luscious young talent. The big three must be given time to develop together. Get in a few scraps, lose some games and learn. I firmly believe Greg Oden will develop into a 18 and 14 guy and command double teams. LaMarcus in the high post and Brandon driving to the rim will be unstoppable. Call me stupid, call me a homer. I want to win with the guys we have now. KP has proven he knows how to draft players. If things are not working out in a few seasons we still have options. Let all these other teams sweat it out. No big trades.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 5, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's cool to sit out trading and look to improve with time
What if a mega role player like Caron Butler, good guy, good salary, who fits our team well, came available for Raef and a little extra? Would you want to make a move like that?
I didn't mean him persay
I just wondered what your reaction would be if someone offered a good player for little more than Raef.
Freeman clarified that the team in the east rumored to deal with us
is a team looking to blow the whole team up. A good deal could fall in our laps.
You are a stupid homer....
and absolutely correct, like a savant.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Jimi Hendrix
by philly420pdxhilo on Feb 5, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
14 more days
Then we can start talking about the playoffs and and lock all these trade rumors in the basement like an incestuous offspring.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
by Dragline on Feb 5, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I thought we agreed no more Stoudemires
by Blazerland on Feb 5, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Toronto - Bosh
2 major reasons why this won’t happen
1. Bosh is clearly better than LMA
2. Toronto drafted Bargnani instead of LMA. Trading for LMA would be tantamount to admitting a mistake with the first pick of a recent draft. No way does that same GM trade for the #2 pick less than 3 years later.
one interesting notion
would be amare to toronto, bosh to portland, lma and rlec to phoenix. Works pretty well, although Toronto gets shafted. More would have to be given to them.
Colangelo would probably love to have Amare back
Phoenix gets younger and acquires cap space.
Portland gets Bosh.
Bargnani has been playing very well lately
He can play either SF or C and creates mismatches with his shooting ability. You could easily play LMA and Bargnani together.
Boomshakalaka
Would you have the stomach to watch that lineup?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 5, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Bargnani can´t stand in front of any SF in defense
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Bam.
What a baller-ass trade. For US. Aldridge is a decent player, and consistent at that, but he’s a rich man’s Channing Frye. And that ought to tell you how hard he would be to replace. A guy like Stoudamire, however, much more difficult to replace. A developing mid-range game, a killer inside game, and some shot blocks and rebounds to boot.
Essentially, we’d be trading Aldridge’s outside shooting and non-defense for Amare’s inside presence and modest defense. It’s a win.
The only condition I would not do this (and I’m not going to bother to look it up) is if it’s a “rent-a-player” situation. We’ve got a much better shot of re-signing Aldridge than Stoudamire.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Your assessment of Amar'e's defense
leads me to believe you’ve never watched Amar’e play defense and likewise your failure to recognize LMA’s defense tells me you also probably don’t watch the Blazers. Aldridge is a good defender and Amar’e has all of the tools but puts absolutely zero effort into playing D, which is why Phoenix fans are so eager to dump his stat padding butt.
I think Amare is a Giant baby.
We would hold on to him long enough for him to complain about sharing the spot light with oden and roy, whaaa whaaa i want to be the star that is why he isn’t getting along with Shaq.
i dont want amare
for every excellent post move or highlight reel dunk, there is the lack of effort on defense and the whining in the locker room.
Why doens't Amare rebound????
8 rebs in nearly 40 mpg? For a 6’10", 210 lb chiseled veteran PF?
And we thought LMA was bad
Blazer Fan
And frankly 21 ppg isn't blowing me away either
LMA will eventually score more than that
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 6, 2009 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like DB.com has a retort for you guys
I apologize if this has been addressed already…but the comments are slowing down my work computer (the CPU usage box thingie is completely green and at 100%) and therefore I can’t read them all.
At any rate, if you’re interested, read here.
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"Thanks" for the "link."
It was “amusing.”
P.S. I enjoy your comments on Mavs Moneyball — come visit us anytime!
I was curious about that
The use of the quotation marks and the message…did anyone actually send him that?
I try to watch as many Blazers games as I can (thank you, League Pass), but they’re either on late (I run on Eastern time) or on at the same time as either the Mavs or the Magic. It’s hard not to like your team; there is so much potential here and they are fun to watch.
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by Marie on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha Dave and Ben are "concept-hatin’"
Zing!
But, seriously. We are all just fans with voices on the internet. We have no say in the dealings of GM’s. If 1,000 Blazer fans say this trade will not happen does not mean it will not happen.
Karma
+1
For knowing what your talking bout! :)
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 6, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions
that was meant for Marie
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 6, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
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