Today's Poll - RLEC
by Ben Golliver on Feb 5, 2009 12:00 PM PST
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PrintDon't look now but KP has exactly 2 weeks to move Raef Lafrentz's Expiring Contract.
Blockbuster deals are going down left and right -- Tyronn Lue for Keith Bogans, for example -- and yet it's awfully quiet over at One Center Court regarding ol' Raeffy poo.
From jump this season, I was acting under the assumption that RLEC was gone by the deadline, period. I think a lot of us were. No other possibility crossed my mind. But with the deadline fast approaching, here's my quesiton...
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Is Tyronn Lue for Keith Bogans a blockbuster deal?
I don’t think KP will trade Raef LaFrenz and if he did, he would do it on the trade deadline. Why bother making a move until he’s heard every single offer available? A week ago the Magic weren’t planning on making a trade for a point guard, and who knows what the other teams in the NBA will need in two weeks.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
What are you talking about?! Lue for Bogans is huge!
Never before have i heard of such a genius trade! Lue will instantly make the Magic a dynasty! We will look back on this trade as the doom of all other teams in the association. I am worried about another Russell era Celtic-esque dynasty now that Lue is on their squad.
by dario argento on Feb 5, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Lord knows
I don’t want to see the Magic in the Finals now…well maybe this year just so we can have gotten there…but Lue is a certified Blazer killer who would have multiple All-Star appearances if he played P-town every night.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
I was serious there
I’ve been screaming that we shouldn’t trade until the off season for years.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
See? Even I don't get you.
Though I do agree about not trading. The only trade idea I’ve seen that I might go for is trading LA for Bosh. Not our LA. I’m talking about the Lakers.
I'm in the minority that thinks KP will make a move that is best for the team
Not the best move that is available like so many fans are clamoring for. I don’t like trade talk, I actually hate it. I think trade talk is just silly. I think it’s worse than that, but this is a family blog. I don’t think a single person came up with the Frye/Randolph trade. It’s just useless speculation. I trust KP to make or not make the right move.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
I predicted
the Green Wafer traded in 1993.
I went to the cupboard, opened it up, and said, “Oh, look, a green wafer.”
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No need to scream
Just relax and take it easy. Zaig – get him a beer, man. Put your feet up Dragline. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
no kidding
Aren’t you KP though Norkstroll?
Knowledgeable?: Check
Unlikely to be pegged as KP thereby being an awesome false identity: College age female supposedly so check (not that women aren’t brilliant, ask my wife, but most don’t care about sports)
Fairly new to Bedge: Check
Trade Junkie: OMG CHECK
Clearly intelligent?: Check
You’re on my short list for KP’s fake Identity and I’m outing you!
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
AND
K is the 5th letter in his name, thus being the first initial.
Now let’s look at the other letters.
N = 14
O = 15
R = 18
S = 19
T = 20
R = 18
L = 11
L = 11
All this equals 126, which when divided by 9 gives us an average letter of 14, which is N. Crap, so close. Nevermind.
finally some stats I can understand
man this site is always so befuddling for me, but this? this makes sense.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
L = 12?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Right
So it isn’t 126, it is 128. 128 is 2 to the 7th power, and 7 symbolizes perfection, which gives us a hint that we’re talking about KP.
K = 11, and 2 to the 7th Power (get that “P” there? another hint — Perfect Power). Let me think about this. Yes. 7-2+11 = 16, which is P. So K (for Kevin, add 11) who is not a square (so subtract the 2) but Practices Perfect Power (add the 7) gives KP.
Don’t try this at home, kids. If you get in too deep, you might never get out.
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He's 29
his PER is .37 above the established average, and Bayless has a very small sample size to go from. Plus, Jerryd has never been a coach killer or a team mover. And Bayless has yet to miss a game due to an injury. I love watching Baron, but I don’t think watching him jack 3’s while Roy, LMA and Oden stand around is a good idea.
I'd Rather Trade for 'Sheed, Bonzi, and the backup power forward on Bonzi's former Chinese team
than have Ricky Davis on the Blazers. Unless the Clips throw in their awesome announcers too.
by Pooh Richardson on Feb 5, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
And KP says, " Ummmm, let me think about that one...no."
by dario argento on Feb 5, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless leaves over my dead body
bring back taurean green
by thomasikehara on Feb 5, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
It is a good piece for both trading and using
We didn’t feel like we were getting correct value by trading it, and will instead use the $7 million (I think that’s what it is, maybe $9 mil) to sign a role player. When Miles went back on our books, it made keeping the Raef contract a better deal. Yea KP would have probably preferred trading for someone, but with us still not knowing exactly what is going to be our best option, waiting until the end of the season to see what we really do need (as opposed to just want) is not a bad thing at all. We have very young players and just over half a season is not enough time to figure out exactly what they can do (especially since none of them are used to the grind of an NBA season), and what they can’t do.
The hype issue is the current economy, not the RLEC. Owners really aren’t feeling the pinch nearly as much as they are saying that they are, which makes total sense, because they own friggin’ sports teams which are not exactly profit machines. Any owner who would be actually feeling the pinch enough to pick this option up to a degree which we feel it is worth, would be looking to sell their team not just save a few million dollars. The only players that owners would be really looking to get rid of, would be guys with character or hustle issues, neither of which are players that the Blazers are interested in acquiring. I mean there is a reason people thought McHale and Wallace were complete idiots for their trades, and what has happened since has made it all the more poignant. (I mean why would you trade KG for basically Al Jefferson? He kept people in the seats, his jersey’s sell like crazy, you didn’t get equal value back, and you traded him to a team that would make mincemeat out of your club and the rest of the league. Does this make sense from any point of view? And don’t even get me started on the Kwame Brown trade, its like Wallace had given up on ever becoming a good team, and figured that his best options to remain a GM was to win the lottery every year. [to be fair Marc Gasol has been playing well, but I think Wallace got lucky on that more than anything else]).
So basically RLEC looks great from a financial point of view, because you can basically wipe a salary off of your books. But the only players who you want to erase from your team’s roster are players that either aren’t contributing or are creating problems within your franchise, and GM’s have finally realized this. And KP does not want to put those kinds of guys on our team. And even in the current economy, NBA owners are not as in trouble financially as they would have us believe, because if they weren’t on solid financial ground they wouldn’t be owning a franchise.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
Kupchak
has a vault filled with devastating blackmail material on every GM in the league. Ainge doesn’t have a vault but has dirt on every Celtic from 1982 to 1989. That or Stern wanted a “just add water” instant Lakers Vs. Celtics Rivalry. Neither would suprise me but the stupidity of Wallace and McHale can’t be that epic or else they would have government jobs…right?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
I know!
What’s the deal?
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
I believe it was
Gasol for – a physically disabled janitor and a bag of Peanuts.
And
Garnett for – a Rich man’s Zbo and a half-eaten bag of chips from the mid-nineties that had that weird fat-substitute that made you fart.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
haha
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
But it was Gasol for Gasol
And while Marc isn’t anywhere as good as Pau yet, he can play.
was it the first time brothers had been traded for each other?
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Regarding Garnett.
I seem to recall he only had a couple of years left on his deal and that Boston subsequently signed him to an extension after he came over.
If this is the case, then trading Garnett has a lot more justification, if you believe you might lose him for nothing.
The Gasol deal was mostly about money. And I still think that Wallace didn’t get screwed nearly as much as common perception has it. Gasol was unhappy and looking for a way out. Most observers expected to see him dealt. The post trade critiicism came about due to a) people being pissed that he went to the Lakers and b) a couple of sports commentators arguing that Wallace could have gotten a better deal. The first is sour grapes and the second has no basis of proof. It is complete conjecture that a better deal for Gasol was on the table.
hakkaa päälle !
See my post
above. Your explaination is way too boring and likely. Mine is funner and more conspiratorial and in these days of obvious Banker based conspiracies my view point has more of a Zeitgeist feel both the youtube movie and the German word namesake.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
The wolves did the same thing with Jefferson
though, he was only on the books for a year, so he wasn’t exactly a guaranteed contract either. Plus truehoop today had a thing on Garnett going to the Lakers, reportedly for Bynum and Odom, which I think would have been a better deal for them, then they hold on to OJ Mayo (if they happened to get the same numbers in the lottery), and then they would have a pretty nice looking roster right now.
The Gasol trade was just horrible, was he going for an expiring contract or talent that could help him rebuild? Because he did great if he was just going for an expiring contract, but for a multiple-year all-star you should have been able to get a better string of players than just Kwame Brown. I mean either his reputation preceded him, and no one was willing to offer him a fair deal, or he should have just held on to an unhappy Gasol.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
Yeah there is no
WAY that was the best deal out there for Garnett. NO FREAKING WAY! Gasol maybe but Garnett oh HELL NO.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
He got Marc Gasol
in that deal, which looks like not a bad thing to have happened.
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We don't need anything but a solid backup power forward.
We are already the second best offensive team in the league, and that’s with a rookie Oden, rookie Bayless, rookie Batum, rookie Rudy, etc. Can you imagine how difficult it will be to defend the Blazers in two years? Good luck.
Add to that Martell/Batum is solid defensively, Jerryd has shown signs of defensive potential, and Greg will be a dominant defender.
Go get a Brandon Bass/Dejuan Blair type and we’re set.
I think.
We put Travis at the power foward spot.
Rudy for ROY
Campaign 08-09
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter." ~Rudy Fernandez
right now Blazer management is running their simulator
debating whether it’s better to have a “banger” backup four, or a Travis 3/4 type, over the long term. I sure would like to have a Blair type player who goes after rebounds like mad.
How about a 3 for 1 point guard. People talk about what a need the SF position is, but Batum, Webster and Outlaw all provide what we will need on a game to game basis, once they are allowed a little more seasoning (Outlaw notwithstanding). Outlaw works great for the Blazers because he can play both spots, so nobody talks about the “need” for a backup PF we have. I’m thinking something like Serg/Blake/Frye/RLEC would clear some space for the PG position.
that's three
expiring contracts and segio, right?
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
Who would we get
For that group of players?
by pdxer in dfw on Feb 5, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
We could get Chris Paul
If you combine the shooting of Blake, the driving of Bayless, and the passing of Sergio, you get Paul. So I think a 3-for-1 trade would be fair.
yeah, and then
teach the Hornets to run that “6 guys on the floor” play.
except make it 7.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 5, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Unless one is going for the humor points ...
… there really are only two possible answers to this poll.
Either you are sure he’s going to get traded
or
you go with choice number 3.
What I’ve found interesting in all the trade debates, particularly those surrounding Raef, has been the absence of anyone providing a solid argument as to why he had to be traded. We’ve heard arguments for why he should be traded, but none on why he had to. I believe that’s because all along there never was a compelling reason dictating that Portland had to trade him or else lose out.
It has always been the case that LaFrenze represents one of several asset’s available to Pritchard. In Raef’s case, an asset that could be used in multiple ways. Expending it before the mid-season trade deadline is just one of those uses. If Pritchard doesn’t use it, then I will assume it is because there was nothing out there worth expending it on that was better than what he might find with the other remaining uses. And since I haven’t yet seen anything proposed that sounded particularly worthwhile (and not wildly impractical), I’m not going to be surprised if we don’t see a trade.
hakkaa päälle !
Exactly
If Raef’s contract is so valuable to other teams, why isn’t it valuable to the Blazers?
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
We almost have the team we want
We just want to add one more piece. Other teams can use that cap room in 2010 to try and add their 1 more piece.
Not valuable to blazers
because we’re not shedding salary and tanking seasons because we’re no longer rebuilding
Expirings are a big deal to teams starting over again, to big free-agent destinations, and to cheapskate owners.
Not to an already more or less built team, in a small market northern city known mostly for being rainy and extremely white, to billionaire owners.
by howlingfantods on Feb 5, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Have to? No
But there is opportunity cost if he isn’t traded.
We can’t pick up a max free agent this summer without renouncing Travis/Steve, which would be a loss. And there aren’t any max free agents this summer that would really be a good fit.
We can acquire someone with a max salary with Raef now, and may not be able to later.
Is there a max guy that KP wants available? I don’t know. But trading Raef gives more salary cap power than we will have this summer. Will we have enough this summer to do what we want to do? Probably. So it probably doesn’t matter. But since Darius is back on the books (unless we win an appeal on that), we have more cap room to go after someone now (by trading RLEC) than we’ll have this summer.
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Bingo
To me, that’s the crux of it… can we get a better player by dumping RLEC in exchange for a large, long term contract, or can we do better by using the using the CSWOO next summer (which is smaller now that Darius is back on the books). And remember, the free agent class of ’09 is nothing compared to ’10.
I vote that we can do better now, especially considering the cost cutting pressures on other teams.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
We have your vote.
Can we now get some idea behind why you voted that way?
I’ve had a hard time finding a list of players that meet the following criteria:
1) Have long term contracts
2) Are available by their current team
3) Are quality players
4) Are a good fit for Portland.
I should probably add a 5th – won’t cost Portland one or more of it’s prime players (Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Rudy, Bayless, Webster, Batum, Pryzbilla), but I’ll stick with 4 for now.
Care to nominate some names for this list?
hakkaa päälle !
That's what I'm screamin'!
Everyone wants to trade Raef and the only players they can come up with are the flavor of the week guys in trade rumors.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
I’m not following the logic of the people who are essentially saying, who cares about RLEC, we can use that $12 million this summer in the form of cap space. Two points:
1. RLEC is like a wild card for the team who gets it because of the insurance policy. So they save whatever bloated contracts they gave away PLUS 80% of Raef’s current year salary. That has to be worth something (imbalance of talent in the trade, draft picks, etc.). So that is far more valuable than a trade over the summer, regardless of the cap space flexibility.
2. (and I could be wrong on this one) The Blazers are over the cap… Now that Miles is back on the cap, they won’t have the full amount of Raef’s contract available below the cap unless they renounce players that they won’t want to renounce.
But again, for me the main reason to trade RLEC rather than wait until next summer is that I don’t see the value next summer that others see. I don’t see our dream PG, SF, or backup PF available in free agency or via an imbalanced trade next summer, but I do see possible options that could be obtained using RLEC. If it was 2010, different story.
As far as the “which players would we trade for” argument, well it’s the same group of people we would be talking about next summer, except for perhaps a few free agents. That’s an argument that has been rehashed in many other threads including one that I started:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/30/742818/yet-another-jason-quick-po
Now that Brand is out for the year, I’d add some of Sixers to the list.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 5, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
but look at the 09 FA list
there isn’t a max player on that list that seems to fit our needs and team makeup. So there is no opportunity cost there.
My problem with the RLEC debate right now is that it’s nearly always discussed that we have only two options with it: Trade it now for a player or players, or use the cap space to sign a free agent. The glaring ommission here is option 3: Use the cap space this summer to acquire vastly more salary in trade then you send out.
This last option is the intriguing one to me, because the pool of potential trading partners on draft day is going to be quite a bit bigger than it is now.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 5, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo
Use cap space in a trade. That needs to be repeated, because many continue to overlook that option.
Yeppers
We don’t need a player that makes Raef money or more and we don’t need trade a handful of guys for one. If you have a good coach and chemistry, being deep is an asset, not a problem. KP should wait until the off season so he has more time to evaluate the players he has and the players he wants.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
Of course
There’s yet another. Use the cap space the same way, not this summer, but before the trade deadline in 2010, when people are looking to dump salary to be players in the FA game that summer. That’s our last opportunity, and if nothing worth-while appears before then, we can even wait that long. The Roy/Aldridge extensions don’t hit our cap space until summer 2010.
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I assume you are refering to the 25% rule?
Where Portland can take back a contract (or contracts) that are within 25% of what they ship out.
If that’s the case, the opportunity cost you refer to is the extra $3 million in salary we could accommodate. The question then is are there any guys in the 12.5 to 15 mil range that might be available and desireable, compared to who might be available as a free agent this summer. I believe that is a cost that has very limited boundaries.
And it has been pointed out that Portland might still be able to take on up to $15 million in a sign and trade or by releasing Ike and Frye.
I have never argued that there is no valid reason to trade Raef by the deadline. I have said that the arguements for doing so are not overwhelming and that any lost opportunity cost – whether real or perceived – is small enough to stand pat if a deal that makes sense long term for Portland is not out there before the deadline passes.
hakkaa päälle !
No
The 25% rule doesn’t apply if you have cap space. You can take back any amount of salary above what you ship out as long as you don’t go over the cap. Also, I believe that doing so would give the other team a trade exception, which would sweeten the pot for them.
Thanks!
I wasn’t sure if it applied. It was the only explaination I could think of behind jscot’s supposed opportunity cost argument.
hakkaa päälle !
Not quite
Yes, we could acquire a $15 million contract now, though we might have to ship out a player or two with some actual talent to get someone of that quality — few players like that get dumped just for salary alone.
But this summer, if we keep Steve and Travis, I think we only have about $8-9 million to work with, if Darius is on the books. I think we only get in $15 million plus range by letting Steve and Travis go.
The 25% rule applies now, because we are over the cap, so we can do up to $15 million right now. It won’t apply this summer, which means to acquire a $15 million contract we will have to either renounce Steve/Travis or give up enough salary (in players we trade to the other team) to keep us under the cap.
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OH, and
I agree entirely with your final statement.
There’s an opportunity lost if we don’t trade Raef, but there is opportunity cost in trading him — you lose the chance to use the cap space later (either this summer in a FA signing or trade, or in a trade before the 2010 trade deadline). It’s more space now than it will be later, but since we probably don’t need another all-star, that may not be really relevant.
You only lose an opportunity now, though, if there actually is a good opportunity to turn him into something valuable that helps your team. If KP makes no move, the person who has the right to criticize him is the person who knows exactly what he was offered and turned down, and can make a case that it would have helped our team. The people who WILL criticize will be the ones who have no certain knowledge about which offers were available.
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It's good to see you and I are back on the same page.
I was beginning to see a divergence, starting with the SA flap.
hakkaa päälle !
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Please stay on the same page. And keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle at all times. Thank you. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
I never expected you to agree with me on everything
It was inevitable you would be wrong sometimes.
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Or even more sexy how good a first rounder?
by dario argento on Feb 5, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
If he's willing to take on a truly horrible contract
he might get a really good first rounder in return.
Who has a great first round pick AND a horrible contract they want to dump? NY doesn’t count because Utah owns theirs (though it is protected).
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Really good first rounder next year=Rubio
by southern oregon on Feb 5, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
The Rubio talk needs to go away
The last thing the Blazers need is another young point guard.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
Why?
KP collects 2nd round picks, backup forwards, and young PGs. So far, it seems to be getting us more wins every year.
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No real legit reason
I just hate rookies and fans who have a greater admiration for some jerk that in not even in the NBA over their own players.
PS. I hate trade talk too.
It's not offensive until someone reads it.
The best player available is a rookie sometimes.
Getting Rubio doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be able to get a veteran PG like Kirk Hinrich also if we wanted him.
If KP has a shot at Rubio I’ll bet he would grab him in an instant.
Other...
There will be no RLEC trade, and no FA pickups using our cap space. We need every penny of that to hold onto our four rooks as well as paying Roy’s max contract.
I can just picture Kevin Pritchard waving the RLEC around in his hand
singing “I’ve got a Golden Ticket!”
And some other GM calling up Wojlowwhat'shiski and offering him a year's worth ....
… of insider information if he does another hatchet piece on Pritchard.
hakkaa päälle !
Does the Woj piece really matter?
I’m sure it made Ainge and McHale smile, and ticked a lot of us off…
but beyond that, does anybody care?
For a GM to be despised by his peers is a GOOD thing. It used to be everyone hated Red Auerbach and his cigar.
I think Pritchard ought to start smoking victory cigars.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
That might limit
our 50 year Dynasty window due to mouth cancer. Maybe he can get those gum cigars (are those even legal anymore due to marketing to children?) Or he could just like Shavlik’s hair and suck on his toe when we’re up by 15 with less then two minutes to go!
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
now there's an idea.
I think our trade options might really improve if KP agreed to suck Shavlik’s toes.
A fair number of GMs would pay good draft picks to see that.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 5, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't matter to me.
I don’t worry about what other GM’s think of Pritchard. If they are envious of him, that’s good for Blazer fans, as it mreans he’s doing such a good job others are jealous.
hakkaa päälle !
yeah, that's what Yankees fans say about Steinbrenner, too.
I love KP. Just sayin.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 5, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Mini-poll
Which Wonka film is better? The one from the 1970s starring Gene Wilder, or the one from a few years ago starring Johnny Depp?
Or am I haplessly and cluelessly invoking foul demons from the depths of Moria by even mentioning this topic here on BEdge?
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
+1 for LOTR reference
+2 for Balrog reference.
-3 for asking such a silly question. I mean it was rhetorical right?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
They should do a movie mashup
where the five little snots enter the chocolate factory, find themselves suddenly in the mines of Moria, and are eaten by Durin’s Bane.
Consumption by a balrog is a far cooler way to die than being sucked up a giant pipe full of chocolate.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
are you sure?
I think a Balrog probably IS a giant pipe full of chocolate.
You just never know.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 5, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I intend
I intend to bake a cake then decorate it with the phrase “Let it Bake”. At the exact moment the trade deadline passes if no deal has been done I will then put the cake back into a pre-heated oven and let it burn to a RLEC or Raef Like Extreme Crispness. I
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Feb 5, 2009 12:54 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
You do realize
that you can’t take out of the oven, then, until the Blazers season is over?
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Look!
Your cake just turned green.
I bet I know what the secret ingredient is…
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
All the sweet green icing flowing dow-ow-own
I love that song – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
i said other because
once he is off our books, we free up cap space. which is seemingly full due to that darius miles cat. so just letting it expire is not that bad of a deal after all.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,(of the Blazers), (of KP's madness), of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity." - Albert Einstein
by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Feb 5, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions
Seriously?
A trade post on the main page? Disguised as a poll?
My internal Gallup meter just showed a 10+ point drop in the “Ben and Dave” department.
you mean, like,
to Vegas or Seattle or something?
b/c I think “Make a move” = “trade” otherwise.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 5, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
It's called "Executive privelege".
As in “ya run the blog, ya get to put trade posts on the Main Page”.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Can anyone say sign and trade for Josh Childress this summer?
followed up with a trade for Kirk Hinrich.
Does Childress want to come back from Greece?
by EngineerScotty on Feb 5, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Unclear. Probably not to Atlanta, but maybe to a new friendly and more structured environment
But we only get his rights if we e.g. trade Raef and Travis/Channing and Sergio for him and Bibby. Could work since ATL has some cap space despite his salary not counting. Morti had that idea a while ago, and it’s not a bad one although we both are no fans of Bibby. Otherwise ATL makes Childress a restricted free agent with the QO and it will be much harder to get him. Also no idea if there is a buyout clause in his contract in Greece.
Yep he has the option to leave every year.
Th reason I think Childress could be obtainable, ATL is a bit cap constrained, especially if they are interested in retaining Bibby, but mainly J-Chill holds all of the leverage in that if somebody made him an offer and the Hawks tried to match all he has to do is go right back to Greece. My guess is that Atlanta would be willing to a modest sign and trade for maybe somebody like Sergio and second round pick and the Blazers will be far enough under the cap that they can make lopsided deals.
Getting Hinrich on the other hand might be a little trickier, and if Bayless and Blake turn out OK over the next 36 games or so the need for help at the 1 may be less important than it might have otherwise been.
I doubt we would trade Raef to get his rights
If a deal happens it will be during free agency when both the hawks and the Blazers will have enough cap space that matching contracts won’t be such a big deal. As for getting Bibby, I have to think ATL is interested in retaining him if they could rather than taking on guys like Sergio and Blake.
It’ll be an interesting FA period if nothing materializes in the next two weeks.
To me, the most likely outcome
is we let Raef expire, then instead of shopping for free agents, we look to complete asymmetric trades where we trade off $5 million of contracts for $15 million in contracts. Immediate cap savings and huge trade exception for our trade partner, a player we actually want not just one that happens to be in free agency, win win.
by howlingfantods on Feb 5, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
exactly
this to me is now the most appealing scenario.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Plus leting RLEC expire
Is doing an anti-favor for the teams who want and need it the most
by southern oregon on Feb 5, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
But we could basically
do that deal right now. We could trade off $5 million of other guys plus RLEC for the other team’s $15 million. They get a big financial boost (insurance money), and cap space this summer. The most money Paul Allen can throw into a single trade is $3 million, RLEC bumps that number way up.
If a team wants some cash, RLEC might be worth more to them than a trade exception. And if they are on the edge of the cap (not way over), it gives them cap space this summer.
So the deal you propose could easily happen in the next couple of weeks, too. It just depends on who is out there who has a player we want, and when they are willing to deal him.
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No, not at all
I suspect Paul Allen can afford fly swatters.
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Good god, Ben, what a horrible poll!
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by timbo on Feb 5, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What kind of deal are we really going to get for RLEC
given this years free agent crop?
Answer:
Not much.
Save the space for next year when teams will be clamoring for cap space.
We won't have cap left after we extend Roy and LMA.
We’ve only got the RLEC before the deadline or the 09 free agency/trade period before we extend our 06 draft picks.
by howlingfantods on Feb 5, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Those extensions don’t take effect until summer 2010. If we do nothing, we will have cap space up until the 2010 trade deadline, so could at that time take a salary dump from a team trying to clear space for that summer.
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