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Ginobili has a bruised hip, and coach Gregg Popovich said he decided to give Duncan and Parker the night off in Denver following the Spurs' overtime win at Golden State Monday night. Same with Finley.

The question I have is - did Popovich even want to win this game?  Clearly, this doesn't help the Blazers in the NW division.  Their next game is in 5 days against Boston - you'd think they could rest then.  The recap does say that the Spurs played well, though they basically trailed the entire game and never seemed in a position close to winning.  What gives?

Now to Blazer Nation -

What do you make of this move?  If you're a San Antonio fan, do you love it or hate it?  Can you foresee an instance of Nate McMillan ever doing something like this?  In the battle for the top in the West - or at the least positioning from 2-4 (if everything holds out roughly where we are now), don't you think that beating Denver would be really important?  Moreso, than say - pretty much every other team except for division rivals?  Do you think Parker and Duncan are showing more signs of wear and really need this rest?

As a Blazer fan, the move annoys me.  But from an objective perspective I am trying to make sense of this move, and judge it on its merits.  What do you all think?  We're good at over-analyzing things, right? What lessons can be learned from this game?

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The 5 day rest is what makes it non-sensical

it’s not like the spurs are a lock for home court advantage. that game mattered.

i’ve never seen someone so deliberately throw a game. interesting. does the league have rules about throwing games?

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by TheTinfoil on Feb 3, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

In having to choose between you and Popovich on making this call ...

 … I have to be honest and say Pop all the way. I don’t need to look at the standings or check each team’s remaining schedule to see how this might playout. All I need to know is that Greg Popovich is one of the very best (I’d say best) coaches in the league, has 3 titles to his credit and also spent time as the GM of the Spurs. I’m pretty sure the guy knows his team, his players and what he is doing.

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by timg56 on Feb 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I can’t imagine Nate doing this…ever.

But I suppose Popovich decided that they could not win this game after the OT game, so he played it safe and benched anyone who could derail the season with an injury. You think he would limit the minutes against GS if it was such a concern, as the Denver game has much stronger playoff implications, but what sort of coach plans?

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by Devenex on Feb 3, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was crap

someone should file a complaint. SA gave that game away.

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by johnv59 on Feb 3, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd recover this 'cept my iphone won't support it

Funny! Yet makes one wonder if some man in black lawyer deep inside the bowels of Vulcan hasn’t already typed up the first draft

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by G_dubs on Feb 4, 2009 6:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. iPhone does support. Rec'd

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Feb 4, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid predictive text function. Rec'd. Not recover

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Feb 4, 2009 6:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So funny I was thinking the same thing :)

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by twiggs on Feb 4, 2009 7:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I meant without making a sound. lolwomas?

by CatMan2 on Feb 4, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gold!

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by timbo on Feb 4, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hate it.

And not just because it hurts us in the division.

He just gives Duncan and Parker the night off following a back-to-back? What kind of message does that special treatment send to the rest of the team?

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by rockingharder on Feb 3, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Um

What about Shaq?

by BlazerKoolAid on Feb 3, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

there's reasoning behind shaq

back to back games he will sit sometimes, the spurs have a 5 day rest! this was not necessary

by richardb on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not even gonna say it

Just look at the sig

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

if i am the nuggets, i take offense to this move

if the spurs come out on top, what does that say about you guys? what message is this sending everyone else in the league? there was no attempt to win this game. i think some disciplinary action needs to happen here, you go to an nba game expecting entertainment. this is a direct insult to the nuggets AND the fans who went to this game. think about fans in milwaukie, of basketball, who might not otherwise go to a bucks game. but then the lakers come to town, so this fan buys tickets to see kobe play, then jackson decides kobe needs a rest and benches him for the game. wouldn’t there be some outrage?

by richardb on Feb 3, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If anything I have heard about Popovich is true

He couldn’t care less about fans or disciplinary action.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Collusion...

Conspiracy theory and collusion between division leaders? Probably not but it is fun to think that way.

San Antonio’s division rival, the Hornets, just lost CP3 for likely a week or so with the strained groin. You are already 4 games up on them and your three best players just played long minutes the night before. There is no reason to strain them further.

BUT – as a Blazer fan, it is frustrating as all get out. The Spurs have been on a tear and methodically picking opponents apart like rotisserie chicken, or Denver chicken Nuggets. It would have been nice going into Dallas with the chance to tie it up a top the NW Division.

by PtownJake on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gregg Popovich = Genius

This is a brilliant move. I love how these “unconventional” choices are actually the right ones. When our core is a group of 30 somethings, I hope Nate or whomever the coach is at the time is smart enough to make these kinds of concessions. Their goal is not to win extra regular seasons games.

It sucks for us, but its the right call for them.

by as11osu on Feb 3, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

I couldn't agree more

I hate it because it’s against a division rival, but Pop is so good at knowing when to lay down his cards, you just can’t question him anymore. I’m sure he saw something a little more than just: “my guys will probably be tired”. Maybe Duncan and Parker were a little dinged up or something.

Besides, I’ve watched enough playoff games where Pop’s thrown in the towel down like 15 in the third and emptied his bench early only for them to come back and take the series. The guy just flat out knows when something isn’t working and to just move on to the next game.

by Royster on Feb 3, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

They still had a chance to steal it and the big three got some much needed rest. It was a good move.

by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 4, 2009 2:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pop is indeed a genius. What rotten timing for the Blazers though...

I think he was trying to see which of the backups would step up. Bonner played a nice game, for one.

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by timbo on Feb 4, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutting to the chase...

Coming off an overtime game with the old guys playing long minutes, on the back end of a back-to-back with quick turnaround and short rest, he sat the stars…

Why do these things make Popovich brilliant? Beyond the physical advantage of giving his players 5 days rest prior to Sunday’s Boston game, Pop has sent a clear message to his team: he needs his stars healthy and his bench strong for another successful postseason run. (—48 Minutes of Hell)

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by timbo on Feb 4, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you a rec on the genius part.

I don’t get why so many people here think it sucks or are bothered by it. The fact that there are makes me wonder if some folks need to do a little self assessment. (What I hope is a nice way to say Get a life.)

From the standpoint of an individual season, the primary objective of every team is supposedly to advance to the league championship series and win a title. Each team is free to achieve that goal as they best see fit, so long as it is within the rules of the league. Sitting players to give them a rest is not against the rules. Neither is giving your reserves starting minutes and responsibilities to see how they respond. If doing so also helps you gain a more favorable matchup for the first round of the playoffs, so much the better. I call that a sign of good coaching, both tactically and strategicaly (sp?)

The Spurs have not necessarily harmed the Blazers. Portland’s destiny is in it’s own hands. If the one win by Denver means they get the second seed and Portland believes they don’t match up well with Denver, they will likely have options as the season progresses – the best one being to win enough games to get seeded ahead of Denver.

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by timg56 on Feb 4, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont question Pop anymore. It seems like every decision he makes is a good one.

Maybe there’s something else to it we don’t know about. Maybe Parker and Duncan were both too hung over to play.

by dario argento on Feb 3, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

...

They actually had a chance to pull the W off, they got it within 2 in the 4th and I believe at the end of the game with a minute left it was only a 4 point lead and the spurs chose not to foul.

I didn’t get it and it pissed me off a bit.

by brandonmitchell on Feb 3, 2009 11:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I watched the game and

they were actually up 1 with about 6mins left.
then they waffled and kinda gave it away.

but they were playing hard, and forced the Nuggets to play the whole game.
Chauncy went out and that didn’t help their chances.

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by Portland89 on Feb 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when the L@kers got fined

It was one of the last games of the regular season in the late 80’s/early 90’s and Pat Riley sat Magic, Worthy, and Kareem against us. They got fined for that. San Antonio should also get fined, as fans pay good money to be entertained. I hope San Antonio screws their own playoff seeding up and gets a bad first round matchup.

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by silkybrown on Feb 4, 2009 12:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

silkybrown has a point

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3995315.html

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by G_dubs on Feb 4, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Strange...

On one hand this was a smart move because if Ginobli was really hurt and the overtime game last night meant this would be a hard game to win. But really? They have 5 days off and there is potential for Denver to catch them or they could possibly catch the Lakers now that Bynum is down.

I guess my opinion is screw it, lets get ahead of both Denver and SA, that will teach them not to throw games.

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by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 4, 2009 12:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, Pop didn't pull his guys for nefarious purposes

this was a calculated and smart move for an aging team. It sucks for the fans, and they should be fined for intentionally pulling guys. I’m not going to get upset by this, that’s just a smart move. There is nothing like a huge chunk of rest to get a team healthy.

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by Magnum on Feb 4, 2009 1:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why should a coach be fined for making a strategic move?

If I was in Gregg Popovich’s shoes and was unjustly fined for making that savvy, sagacious decision, then I’d go on a profanity-laced tirade. In all honesty, anyone who’s ragging on Popovich for his choice last night is viewing at this from a homeristic perspective and needs to look at themselves in the mirror.

by AK1984 on Feb 4, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The huge layoff is the weird part

Yeah his guys would be tired after a B2B, but with 4 days of rest I think they’d live…

If it was GS/Denver day off Dallas/NO I could see this a little more. Save your guys for the division games that are coming up. Instead, they have 4 days off to rest up. There is one other possible scenario though.

Bayless snuck (via teleportation) to the GS/SA game. Ala the Bayless curse, Parker got injured, hence his sitting. Manu is hurt, hence his sitting. Duncan doesn’t wanna look bad so he asked to be benched for the game.

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I said pretty much the same thing above.

Once again I’m thinking along the same lines as you. I think I need a drink.

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by timg56 on Feb 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Smart move

With Ginobli hurt, SA knew they had a small chance of winning anyway. So, why not rest the starters, and have them ready to play against teams they are supposed to beat. And, when they lose, they would have an excuse.

by blazerbill on Feb 4, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

rodeo road trip

they are also on the annual rodeo road trip which last almost 2 weeks. Getting this extended break in it should have everyone better suited to attack the rest of it, rather than trying to push through the whole 2 weeks. Perhaps they winmore games on this trip because of this…

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by courtsideerrandboy on Feb 4, 2009 2:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Should be fined

Wonder what the betting lines on that game were?

If Manu is dinged, it makes sense to hold him out. If Duncan is feeling old, maybe he only plays the first half.

But to not play two healthy all-stars at all? It’s not as if the game before was 6 overtimes or something.

“Integrity of the game” and all that.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 2:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is what is kind of silly in my opinion

Why not just play the dudes a few minutes and avoid the potential fine and added scrutiny? Still achieves the basic goal of resting the codgers.

I suppose it might look just as funny in a tight game with Duncan and Parker riding pine in crunch time, but he could still say, “I played ’em what I played ’em. Coaches decision.” Harder to fine for that.

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by G_dubs on Feb 4, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The betting lines for this game are irrelevant, as are the fans who purchased the tickets.

Regardless of whether they’re gamblers, spectators at the arena, or fans watching at home, nobody is in a position to question Gregg Popovich’s decision-making process — so long as it all was aboveboard — thus, y’all should sit back, relax, and quit whining about tripe like “integrity of the game” and whatnot.

by AK1984 on Feb 4, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I permit people to question my decisions

as long as they abide by them.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you allow that?

I accept that you do, just curious.

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the harm?

As long as they completely obey, who cares what they are thinking?

This total dictatorship is hard enough to carry out in action, without having to worry about what people think. So I let them think whatever they want. That way, I can appear magnanimous to the masses. “Free and open debate” and all that. What more could you want out of a world ruler than one that allows free and open debate?

Debate away, peons.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The fans who

purchased the tickets [are irrelevant]? Bonzi? You’ve joined the Edge to recover from your Chinascapades!

I always respect your opinion, but I disagree with you wholeheartedly in this instance. The fans are paying to see the best product possible put on the floor, and the ultimate purpose of the NBA is fan entertainment. Players get fined when they play in their team’s last game before the ASG, then mysteriously come down with an injury to have extra time to rest.

Why the fine? Because the fans are getting cheated when that happens. I don’t even necessarily think that Pop did anything wrong, mind you. But I do think that it’s worth talking about. And it’s also worth not marginalizing those talking about it by implicitly calling then homeristic whiners who are full of tripe.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 4, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that there is legal betting on NBA games does cloud the issue.

I think you have to try to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Also, I do agree with point made by silkybrown, that fans are paying good money with the expectation of being fully entertained. Yet, wouldn’t at least some Blazers fans be down with Jackson sitting Kobe and Gasol against Portland?

When I lived in Berkeley and followed the Oakland A’s, their manager, Tony LaRussa, used to rest one of the star batters every now and then, and there was no great controversy about it. Of course, the baseball season is so long, and only 1/9 of the team was substituted for, rather than 3/5.

It will be interesting to see if Pop’s decision comes back to haunt him by the end of the season.

by CatMan2 on Feb 4, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a huge difference

between 1/9 and 3/5.

Nobody complains about Shaq sitting out back to backs. He’s an old man. They still have a legit team which should be able to contend for a playoff spot without him — Nash, Amare, Richardson means you are a threat to win any game.

How come guys older than Parker played?

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see nothing wrong with it

A coach has a right to rest his players if he thinks they need it.

by Dragline on Feb 4, 2009 4:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fans who pay to watch

have the right to expect that both teams will try to win the game.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 4:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying the guys who played in that game for the Spurs were trying to lose?

What Pop did was no different from a team resting the starters at the end of the season. It was an opportunity for the other Spurs players to step up and they failed. And the Denver fans paid to watch a win, they got what they wanted.

by Dragline on Feb 4, 2009 5:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if all they want is a win

they got it.

As was noted above, there is precedent for fining teams that don’t play their best players just because.

No one would complain if they were rested in a blowout, or played shorter minutes than usual, or were rested because they are hurting (as Manu apparently is).

Around the league, ticket sales are always higher when the best teams come to town, because people want to see the best players. You can just about guarantee that there were people in the crowd who can only afford to go to a very few games a year, and who chose that one because they wanted to see Duncan and/or Parker and/or Manu play. Sure, they wanted a win, but they wanted it against a top team, and to see the top players perform.

If I were taking my kids to a game, I’d want them to see someone like the Spurs so they could see the way Duncan plays the game. Injuries happen, and it might not work out, but if he isn’t injured, and they just decided to rest him, then I’d be pretty angry.

And yes, the players who were put on the court were trying to win the game, but Popovich wasn’t.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 5:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see your point if it was any team other than the Spurs

They can’t even sell out their own home games. If the Spurs did this against Orlando no one here would care.

by Dragline on Feb 4, 2009 5:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

but there might be some teams in the East who would care.

“Integrity of the game” is a funny thing. Especially when people gamble on the game, and when there was a ref who was caught manipulating results. I won’t be surprised if David Stern has something to say about this — if there had been unusual betting action on that game, it would look really, really bad. I’m sure Popovich would never be stupid enough to get messed up in anything like that, but appearances are important.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I was a head coach, I'd be angry if some doltish fan questioned my decisions based on ...

the fact that his or her kids wanted to see Tim Duncan play that night. Gregg Popovich isn’t paid millions fo dollars to appease someone’s crumb-munching rugrats, okay.

Furthermore, Popovich realizes that it’s not about winning every blasted regular season game. On the contrary, the one and only objective each season is to win the freakin’ championship. If Popovich’s choice to rest some of his star players during one regular season game somehow aids his team in winning the title this year, then so be it.

by AK1984 on Feb 4, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those doltish fans

pay the bills for the league.

You may think it is doltish for someone to want to see Duncan play, but I don’t think the league wants to propagate that attitude.

Disrespect for the fans (I’m not talking about idiot fans on the Internet, I’m talking about those who pay for a product and have a legitimate right to expect to see it) has caused the league a lot of trouble in the past, and Portland was one of the worst offenders for a time.

Would you support Popovich calling a timeout with his team down by 2 with 10 seconds left, and telling them to turn the ball over because he doesn’t want to wear everybody out playing overtime?

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not like they didn't play hard

Spurs had the lead for a possession in the 4th, and after Chancy got injured did make a run for it.
They did sit, yes, but they probably would’ve lost anyway.

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by Portland89 on Feb 4, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The guys who did play, played hard. They were trying to win. The guy who wasn’t was Pop.

And I also agree that they may well have lost, anyway. I think they would have, actually. My gripe here isn’t that the Blazers were hurt by it. I think Denver was more likely to win than lose, anyway, and either way, Denver wins 54 or more this year, so if the Blazers beat them out I’m very, very happy.

I just think it is extremely disrespectful to the fans, and as Ozzie said below, also to the league and the Nuggets.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The fans aren't the only source of revenue for a team

This has nothing to do with the fans and more to do with Pop being arrogant as hell. He basically is telling the league he can do whatever he wants, and just told the Denver Nuggets he could care less about them or a potential playoff matchup with them.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Feb 4, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Starters don't get rested

Unless playoff seeding is locked up. At least not all at once the day before 4 days off.

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a smart move....... dangit.

I’m seeing a lot of, “but they have 5 days off….” True, but now they have 6 days off and if they are really in need of some kind of recovery, then every additional day brings them one step closer to 100% healthy.

I think it sucks and they should be fined; but it was a smart move and I’m guessing they will be happy to eat almost any fine if it is perceived to help them to a ring.

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by shenanigans on Feb 4, 2009 6:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ehh

5 and 6 days isn’t a huge difference. I hope they got stomped by Boston so we can LOL this move some more!

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understood resting manu, and maybe tim

but parker is still a young guy

bring back taurean green

by thomasikehara on Feb 4, 2009 7:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Down with the SPURS!!!!!

Good reason to boo em out of the building when they come to Portland. They are a joke.

by Planet29 on Feb 4, 2009 7:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

whats the joke?

how many rings do they have? :)

by winnerwinner on Feb 4, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man.. seriously?

I think it’s fine and I think there’s major overreaction going on here.

If anything the fans who paid and expected to see the Spurs stars had a right to be pissed. Then again if you pay big money for NBA tickets knowing what a sham the league is in general, then you deserve whatever you get.

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by leeroyjenkins on Feb 4, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A major overreaction on BEdge???? NEVER!!! < /s>

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by timbo on Feb 4, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Spurs fan here, and the Blazers fans at PTR kind of made me want to check your opinion. I didn’t understand what all the commotion in Blazer’s Edge was about till I checked the standings… Huh.

I don’t have much to add to the discussion – I simply find it interesting to see how the same decision is viewed based on the fanbase consulted. If you have the time, you might want to do the same at PTR and at 48 Minutes of Hell.

Me, I’ll just keep on lovin’ good old Pop. :)

by LatinD on Feb 4, 2009 9:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cutting to the chase...

………………………. coming off an overtime game in which the stars played long minutes, on the tail end of a back-to-back on the road, he chose to sit the old guys and go with the kids:

Why do these things make Popovich brilliant? Beyond the physical advantage of giving his players 5 days rest prior to Sunday’s Boston game, Pop has sent a clear message to his team: he needs his stars healthy and his bench strong for another successful postseason run. (—48 Minutes of Hell)

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by timbo on Feb 4, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Denver is tough at home, and on a back to back after an overtime game, I pretty much expected Denver to win anyway.

I just would have expected Pop to make a reasonable effort at it. If Manu is dinged up, of course you sit him. But you could still run Duncan and Parker out there for 8 minutes in the first quarter and 6 in the second. If Denver folds, you might get an easy win. If they are hot, you rest your guys the rest of the way. If it’s still close, run them out for another six minutes or so in the second half.

No real problem with getting them some rest, it’s the idea of not even really trying to win the game….

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

shaq and tmac sitting out back 2 bax

not any different.

Don't Redeactivate Shavlik Randolph

by appel82 on Feb 4, 2009 9:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

1 player vs. 3 all-stars

big difference.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They both have legit reasons too

Parker and Duncan haven’t sat out B2B yet this year have they? (Sans injury of course.)

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who's to say Pop wasn't experimenting with different point guards?

Mason and Hill. To single out three players as the only ones who could possibly lead to a win is insulting to the spurs as a team, not that i have anything against that.

You can’t prove that Pop was trying to lose this game, period. But, as you are inferring, of course division games are more important, it is rather weird not to sit them against GS though, seems like you’d rather have your guys sit against a weaker team.

Don't Redeactivate Shavlik Randolph

by appel82 on Feb 4, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to lose?

I didn’t say that.

He wasn’t making any real effort to win, though.

The league fined the L@kers once for this kind of move. They ought to do so again.

Insulting to the Spurs? No matter how good the other players are, they aren’t Manu, Duncan, and Parker.

Can anyone honestly claim that Pop was making a real effort to win that game, or to provide quality entertainment to the fans?

This was a smart move strategically (I think), health is more important to the Spurs than a win in early February. I can’t fault leaving Manu out, at all, if he had a ding. But that doesn’t mean it is the appropriate thing to do.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Picture this:

Denver win the NW and have better record then SA and take homecourt in second round against SA. SWEET!

by Sungari on Feb 4, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, truth be told, most Spurs fan believe we “have their number”, so to speak. Or at least that Pop drinks Karl’s milkshake every day and twice on Sundays. So even the guys who complain about Pop’s decision don’t bring up Denver.

Could come back and bite us in the ass. …But I doubt it.

by LatinD on Feb 4, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it, too

Denver is a favorite, in my book, to win the NW and get a 2-3 seed. They are also one of the favorites, in my book, to get knocked out in the first round.

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by jscot on Feb 4, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pop knows

he had the NBA over a barrel. Any punishment would be Sundays game against Boston and its a national TV game. And him being suspended could affect ratings.

So he gets to tell Stern your scheduling SUCKS and probably get off scot free

by Gmepleyar on Feb 4, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Pop wants a better lottery position.

We don’t usually get the annual tanking debate until after the All-Star game when a highly coveted draft prospect or two await the winner of the lottery drawing. Thanks, Pop.

I think the official NBA response to the issue of fans paying to see an opponent’s stars play, if there is one, would be along the lines of, “The NBA product is highly entertaining and competitive no matter which players are on the floor.” I’m sure your kids will understand.

by MiledAnimal on Feb 4, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Best scenario ever

Denver ties Spurs at the end of the season. Denver wins tiebreak! (If they don’t, then whatever, Denver beats Spurs by one game.)

Denver runs into Spurs in second one. Each team wins every home game and Denver wins game 7 at home.

Take that Pop!

(Then Blazers beat Denver in WCF of course!)

by Zaig on Feb 4, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My question is

how does a team get 4 days off? The blazers have a total of TWO 3 day breaks (not including the ASG, obviously. It must be a reward for having to go on their annual 8 game rodeo road trip.

"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP

by Arby on Feb 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, all of these responses...

I think the general concensus is that this was a smart move, but that we don’t like it. I’m frankly surprised that so many people are suggesting that they should be fined, because they still played a basketball game after all. I just wonder if this will end up hurting SA in the long run at all. One game between Denver and SA could be the difference between a 2, 3, or 4 seed… or who knows with Bynum out?

I don’t like the move personally from the SA perspective, but I’m seeing a lot of “trust Pop” lines. It reminds me a lot of “trust Pritch” – when the results have been there, people tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the team management. Now, if Isiah Thomas had made this move, you know how New Yorkers would have felt about it.

Also, as per the fine given to the Lakers – that was a blow-out game and this was not. This seems more of a strategic move that has more risk, than benching everyone on the last game of the season also.

At this point, I’m inclined to think that it was a smart calculated risk… and I hope that it doesn’t pay off for them, and esp. that it doesn’t make the difference in the Nuggets finishing a game ahead of us at the end of the season.

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Feb 4, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I remember Pat Riley doing this years ago with the L@kers

just before the playoffs started.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 4, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think he was fined for it too.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 4, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Poppy's facial craters have taken control of his sanity!!!

Well its official those craters on Poppy’s face do harvest life and have taken control of his mind. Thats the best reason I can honestly come up with. Last time I checked weren’t the Nuggets creeping up the Spurs back? So now they are what, one game back of the Spurs? One would assume that would be a must win game, back to back or not. I know the Spurs are getting old but Parker is only 26 at the very least play him, even that could have been the difference between a win and a loss.

 At this point I can’t really complain if they keep this crap up both the Blazers and Nuggets are going to pass them, and by that point we are going to be ahead of the Nuggets as well (hopefully). Then again who are we to question the great Poppadobalous, I guess hes got the rings. All I know is something smells awfully fishy here. It’s probably coming from that tank they put up last night.

by JmarcL4 on Feb 4, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Next Spurs back-to-back road games

Tue 2/10 at NJ, Wed 2/11 at Toronto
Sun 3/1 at Portland, Mon 3/2 at LAC

Will Pop give his stars the night off, again?

by two4larue on Feb 4, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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