Today's Poll - Free Bayless?
As you know, we joined Twitter yesterday. Dave was all, "Give me your first impressions, I'm eager to hear how it's going." 20 hours in, here's my first impression: Twitter seems to be a very interesting program which allows males, from the comfort of their computer or handheld device, to express their man-lust for Jerryd Bayless and receive kudos, in the form of @ symbols, rather than the awkward stares that normally result in public.
So, basically, it's awesome.
Pulling this a little closer to on topic, regular podcast listeners have heard Dave predict that Bayless will start to see his minutes cranked up as we continue down the stretch to the playoffs and Blake comes back.
Then, today, real homey Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm wrote...
Jerryd Bayless must be freed. Now. Let him go, Portland. You're not letting him be his own. You have chained him and stuffed him down deep in the pits of that pirate ship you call a team. He doesn't belong to you. He belongs to all of us. Let him go. His explosiveness makes my jaw drop and when he gets some veteran savvy in his blood? There's going to be a warrior set loose.
The only beefs I have with that paragraph are that I've never seen a dinosaur on a pirate ship and I'm not yet completely sure Jerryd has blood in his veins.
Anyway, although it probably started gaining momentum back during that Detroit game, the Bayless love is reaching a crescendo. Someone registered the screenname "IReallyLikeJerrydBayless" and then, soon after, upgraded that to another screenname "ILoveJerrydBayless."
Whoever registers "ITwitterToLustBayless" might be the winner.
So the Blazers have a few options. Vote on how they should handle this evolving situation as of today... then get your KP and NM on in the comments.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Ben, you saw The Lost World, right? Not quite a ‘pirate’ ship per se, but T. Rex WAS transported on a boat, and WAS let loose to terrorize a city. Just sayin.
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Stay the course
With the return of Steve Blake, our team has the unique ability to throw 3 different point guards into the game. While none are the best at their craft, they each have abilities that can cause our opponents to have to change the way they play us. This is a bad thing?
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by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 3, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Is that "Free Bayless"
as in “give him more burn and get outta his way?”
or “Free Bayless”
as in “trade him to another team which will better maximize his talent”?
I certainly hope nobody here is suggesting the latter.
I think I've seen some trades suggesting just that.
Might be able to get that point guard we need, don’tcha know?
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I'm biased
I bet dave a dinner that Bayless would be starting after the all star break.
I looked to be losing that bet earlier in the season. I’d love to win that bet.
I don’t think I will though. At most Sergio is traded and Bayless is back-up.
Here’s why. Bayless may be good, but Blake has experience. Right now I still take Blake over Bayless, hands down. Blake has improved a lot this year and that puts him up on bayless regardless of anything else. Bayless does a few things VERY well, Blake does MANY things, frankly, VERY well. They’re just different things and one is flashier. One is also more purely athletic, but that’s still in the flashier category. Athletic is nice. You, however, need to do something with that and when you’re raw, you will do the wrong thing quite a bit.
Sergio has been given a chance to show what he can do. I like him running the second unit. I think sergio, as our back up, would be pretty darn nice if he could live with that. Bayless is the starter of the future, and Blake is doing everything he can to make that as difficult as possible. I don’t mess with Sergio, unless we make a trade and the trade gave us shiny things that we’ve always wanted.
I’d say Webster/Batum and Bayless fill our holes, but Bayless is still young and webster, we’ll never know what could have been this year.
unless there’s a player issue or we can get in a vet, I don’t trade at all.
Thus Bayless goes back to third string when blake comes back, but you see a few more minutes off the bench. He seems to have made the most of his time and next year I expect to see him a lot more.
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I don't follow your logic.....
If Bayless is the future starter, and what he needs to develop is time/experience, why do you send him back to the bench?
This only makes sense if there is a big fall-off from Sergio to Bayless in the current back-up minutes. I think it is possible to argue that Sergio is better/different, but not much better for sure. Bayless has had 18 assists in the past four games, 4.5 assists/per 24 minutes of PT. That is a respectable number. Combine improved distribution with better scoring and better defense and the case for Bayless is pretty strong.
by upper left corner on Feb 4, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
Portland has to make a move. Sergio is not going to be happy about sharing the back up minutes with Bayless, look at the stink he made earlier in the season. Portland does not need a distraction going into the stretch run. Its not does Portland makes the playoffs anymore but now its do we have home court in the 1st rnd?
The whole thing with trades is dont trade just to trade but use the assets we have and aquire a superstar(grumblings out of Toronto anyone)
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I think Sergio has recovered from his little rant
and everything looks hunky dory at this point.
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Hmmmm
I think we heard something similar about Sergio. And about Batum when he was going gangbusters. And about Rudy.
The point isn’t that these guys can’t break out. Obviously some of them will and they will become key cogs in the Blazer machine. The point is we don’t know yet which those will be (it may be all of them). That assessment has to be made on a demonstrated, well-rounded game that helps the team win on a consistent basis and not just on a small set of skills, no matter how overwhelming, evidenced for a short stretch. That’s nothing against Bayless. You can substitute any of those other names in there too.
The point being, you don’t get those results by Peter Principle-ing players. Sergio has had some good games but more minutes haven’t made him the clear starter. More minutes for Rudy haven’t given him a quantum leap forward. The same would hold true of Batum if he ever got more than 20. Throwing more on players sooner almost always exposes more of their flaws than their skills.
I’m very happy with what Bayless has done. I assume I’ll be happy with where Bayless will be two years from now. Two years from now isn’t yet, however, and “freeing” Bayless won’t change that. It’s far more likely to mess up his flow and the flow of the team.
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That's well said.
except for the Batum statement.
I truly believe that if Nate were to give Batum more than 18 minutes per game there would be increased production.
Maybe not every game but in the ones Batum in hot (either on offense or defense) I say let him play a few extra minutes, Travis gets time at the PF and Rudy gets time at the SG, so if they each lose 1.5mins it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
But Nate doesn’t change minutes based on the game it seems. He usually sticks to the exact same rotation.
Good or Bad?
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i side with dave on this one regarding batum. right now he’s got a callibrator in his head that says “if i attempt more than 4 jumpshots it’s time to pump fake and pass.” more time on the court = more time for steals, layups, etc. but i don’t think scaling his PT would produce any vast improvement in his stats or play. especially because he is still dealing with confidence issues.
Yes and no.
I think on nights when he’s really on fire (like Saturday against the Jazz, or the recent Clippers and Kings games) it wouldn’t be a bad thing for Nate to up his minutes.
Which he actually does so I was wrong.
I somehow had it in my head that his minutes hovered constantly in the 17-20 range, whereas that’s just the median.
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I had a funny moment
watching a game with a friend a couple weeks ago. Batum hit a shot in the first quarter. I said to my friend, “That’s half of his quota for the night. Nicolas Batum is congenitally unable to hit more than two shots in a game.” So he misses one then hits a second. “That’s it!” I said. “He’s cut off now!” Sure enough for the rest of the game he missed. A layup, open threes…doink! “Why?” I kept asking. “Because he’s Nicolas Batum.” We got a good chuckle out of every miss.
However that’s nothing against Nicolas. More than any of the four players I mentioned he’s the one guy I’m banking on to become a starter long-term. I think his game will be excellent for the Blazers. But right now he’s still working it out.
—Dave
his jumper is jacked right now. i think they are just biding time until the summer when they will re-tool it because he works on it without really making any changes to his form from what i can tell. so what good are reps at this point, really? same form, same result.
i think both he and bayless will be long term starters and i think batum could put up serious numbers next year if he figures out his mechanics and has a summer worth of confidence built up.
it makes me wonder whether kp regrets doing the martell deal but apparently he is thrilled as can be at the number they got him for, i suppose because the good value of his contract makes martell an even more valuable trade asset.
The thing with Nic is
they’ve got to retool the whole small forward idea to allow him more driving opportunities if they want to take advantage of him long-term. Although I don’t think the staff would discourage their small forwards from driving from the weak side anyway. Still the obvious shot for Blazer SFs right now is the three. That’s not even half of Nic’s game.
—Dave
The future is
Nic starting and defending their best guy,Nate being the first to sub and Blazers bench playing the most mins in the league,get used to it,its not a bad thing
by southern oregon on Feb 3, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I still feel the same as last night
Eventually Nate will let him play his game. First Nate told Bayless that he needs to learn how to defend before he will get playing time. Now he is probably telling him that he needs to learn how to distribute the ball. Nate knows he can score. But I think he wants him to work on the other aspects of his game so he can become a great player. But sooner or later Nate will let him play his game – and then he is going to be totally awesome to have on our team. Book it.
yep
once he learns how to control an offense and distribute the ball well he’ll be West Coast Rajon Rondo.
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Rondo is no match for Bayless driving
If Bayless calms down enough to shoot in games like he does in practice, his offensive scoring game is going to be much greater than Rondo. The real challenge for Bayless is to learn how to use the threat of his scoring to create open shots for his teammates.
by upper left corner on Feb 4, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions
Next Year is Bayless'
I think that Bayless is showing extraordinary stuff, but this isn’t the time. He is definitely ready for more second unit minutes, but I think he’s still nailing down his style. Let him work on his golf-swing for a while longer. He has the skills to become an okay distributor and a better defender. He can learn both of those things from the bench.
First off, I don't see this as being much of an issue.
Unfortunately for him, I don’t see Blake coming back right away. I think he’s out until after the break and maybe longer. Therefore, Nate will continue to use Sergio and Jerryd as he sees fit. Part of it will be based on matchups and a bigger part will be Nate putting both guys in a position to learn and improve.
I also don’t see it as a big issue because I don’t see the need to hurry Bayless along. In fact from a long term perspective, Nate’s carefully managed grooming may lead to a better player than just handing Bayless the keys and letting him go. A guy like Matt Moore is writing from the aspect of a fan. Sure, he sees an exciting and talented player and can imagine him going his thing full time. Even if he is concerned about the bigger picture for Portland, he’s not really considering it when he makes the statements above. Instant gratification is what he (and most fans) are looking for. It’s going to come with Bayless. If it comes sooner rather than later, it should be due to the coach and staff believing he has both earned it and is ready to step up. Otherwise, no reason to rush it.
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you must be KP
I declare you to be today’s KP. I’m going to name people KP until i get it right. Then I’ll keep naming people KP because I don’t have a clue.
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POSSIBLY...
… But after looking at his timg56’s previous posts, I have some serious doubts.
Given KP’s love of all-things-Spanish, would it make sense for him to post the following comment???
"I can’t wait for the Rubio – … … – Kopponen PG wars.
Particularly as I know Kopponen will win hands down – a Viking warrior verses an egg sucking Spainard."
The misspellings alone have shaken me off the track…
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by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 3, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Who says I don't like things Spanish?
Some hard boiled eggs, roasted green onions, and wine makes a great meal.
However I’m not KP. I doubt I’d be able to do his job as well as he does it. I’m just happy that the Blazer’s have him as GM.
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I want Sergio starting @ 30-35 mpg, Bayless backing up the rest, and Steve traded.
Steve has great trade value as a low paid reliable vet with a short salary that expires summer 2010.
I feel pretty good turning the team over to the combo of Sergio and JBay — they’re not great but I think the dropoff from Blake/Sergio to Sergio/JBay is minimal and debatable, and we get the benefit of giving development time to both of our young guys.
Oh, and I *do* think JBay is the future
but I don’t think he’s quite ready yet. I love his aggressiveness but he just doesn’t feed his teammates enough yet to be the starter at PG.
by howlingfantods on Feb 3, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Nah Blake should start the rest of this season
Mix in the young guys here and there and make some tough decisions over the summer.
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He’s a nice player, and is doing very well for a rookie, and may end up being a great player, but he’s far from ready. The biggest issue is that he just doesn’t see the floor very well, especially when he’s driving.
For example, do you remember that “alley-oop pass” he allegedly through to Oden a couple games ago? I bet you 3:1 that he was trying to shoot it, but just missed badly. You could see it in his face. The scorer initially didn’t give him the assist, but I guess relented later. I wouldn’t.
This is beyond just not being ready for PG duties. Compare him to Brandon on his first year, who was also driving hard to the basket, but always knew where his teammates were. Jerryd needs to get a much better feel for the game before he can play big “non-situational” minutes.
I personally have no doubt that was a legit assist
He may completely put on his blinders when he goes to the basket but I am sure he is capable of throwing up an airball from 2 feet away even with a blocker in his face. Plus I think even with blinders on he is able to recognize Gregg’s man is rotating to stop him, making Oden open
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 3, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn't 2 feet away...
IIRC it came up short, which when you have to adjust and add crazy arc in the last second happens a lot.
Not bashing the shot, there was like 2 left on the shot clock so he had to try it.
Last four games 18 assists, 4.5/game on 24 minutes of PT
Bayless is improving quickly and significantly as a distributor.
Those who formed opinions early in the season need to reevaluate based on recent play.
I’m not arguing that he is ready to start, but I think he should be getting the back-up minutes.
by upper left corner on Feb 4, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Blake is the vet
Blake sets a nice tone on this team, if Sergio goes mad and starts throwing ill advised pass you calm the team down with Blake, if Bayless gets into foul trouble you put Blake back in.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Keep featuring B-Rex for now
and why not try to start him on the road trip? What do we have to lose, if he is having a bad game just bring in Sergio or play Roy at the point for 5 minutes as Nate has been doing. The important thing is to see what he can bring so that Nate knows how best to use him when Blake gets back… my guess is that he will just confirm what we have seen of late, that he is a change of pace guy, a guy who can attack the basket and pumped the team up against the right opponent and in the right situation. But a few starts before Blake gets back might just show something else. I think Sergio has already shown what he can do and he brings his own skill set but B-Rex might be able to unveil more.
Unless there is a PG trade, which I doubt, then I think Blake has the upper hand to start and gives the team a relatively effective, steady, veteran presence.
Sergio and B-Rex give the variety and should be used according to the situation!
DON'T start Bayless....
Starting PG on a team headed to the playoffs is NOT what we want to be doing for a kid (yes, he’s still a kid….albeit a dinosaur kid) who played one year of college. He is NOT ready to run the team yet, however he has earned some degree of regular minutes. I also want Nate to continue his molding of Bayless.
Bayless has the T-Rex DNA to handle the pressure of learning the NBA PG position from Nate….but it takes a couple of years. Let him learn, and THEN turn him loose.
What's Blake's Contract situation?
Team option for next year? Can’t find that info. Storyteller’s site says “not fully guaranteed”
That seems like a no brainer for KP
KP will almost certainly pick up the option, unless there was some FA target that he just felt he had to have and Blake (and/or Trav) was the budget buster, but at 4 million per year he’d be easily trade-able and probably in somewhat high demand on a contract that reasonable.
What difference does it make if he starts in Dallas or OKC
…. I mean he played the whole 4th Q last night. Sergio is not the ideal starter either at this point in time. Fact is Blake will be the starter when he returns but in the meantime Serg, B-Rex and Roy still see time at the Point… without Blake its the right time to let them develop so that we are as versatile as possible instead of being like NO and falling apart when the starter gets injured.
When Rex and Roy are on the floor at the same time they share point guard duties anyhow so why not start him? I don’t think it makes much difference. Actually I think that if we continue as we have the last few game that that is ok too.
Bottom line is I think that there has been a silver lining to the various injuries that have happened to the team otherwise I doubt that all four rookies would have had a chance to show what they could do (not to mention Sergio getting some extra burn and a few starts). So I think B-Rex has been as good as the other rooks and giving him the chance to show what he can do will only benefit the team… I don’t see him as a starter but starting a few games before Blake gets back can’t hurt.
I've been surprised that Sergio is starting
After all, the “future” starting backcourt is Bayless-Roy and starting Sergio breaks up the Spanish Airmada for significant minutes of every game
Can’t complain, though, it seems to be working
Maybe KP wants Sergio starting so he can be showcased for a trade?
Or maybe Nate likes the way Sergio gets the team into the offense from the opening jump better than Jerryd would?
Whatever, I like the way Rex played down the stretch last night, and how Brandon served as a offensive facilitator/decoy when his regular “game” wasn’t happening
Sergio starts because...
Barring last night, Roy and Bayless haven’t been able to coexist well. Why did they coexist last night? Because Roy was having a terrible game.
Everyone calling Bayless a mini Roy and then saying that Bayless/Roy combo works well together has something screwy going on in their heads. Clones of each other don’t work well together. (Unless that clone is able to do anything like LBJ or Magic Johnson.)
This just flatly isn't true
When Bayless and Roy are on the court together they’re +16 per 48 minutes. When Roy is on the court without Bayless he’s +6 per 48, when Bayless is on the court without Roy he’s -8 per 48 minutes. Making the Roy-Bayless combo look extremely good. This is a match made in heaven. Just imagine when Bayless actually has had some time in the league.
Rex is still learning HOW to play with Roy. He stands around at the three point circle and loiters when Roy has the ball...
…………………….. Rex needs to carry and feed Roy, not vice versa, because Roy can hit the perimeter jumper and Rex, thus far, can not. This will come. But for now, Rex carrying the ball and crashing as much as possible a la Tony Parker is where his best results are happening…
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"Roy and Bayless haven't been able to coexist," any evidence to support this assertion?
I think they are figuring out how to play together which is natural, but I don’t see any evidence of a conflict. Bayless has been feeding Roy. He still needs to learn when and where to get him the ball, but I see no sign of conflict. Roy is used to passing to Blake for catch and shoot threes, and Bayless is not yet confident on those and is passing the ball on, but again no signs of conflict.
by upper left corner on Feb 4, 2009 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Different definitions of coexist I guess
Staying out of each others way and not conflicting aren’t really coexisting to me.
Small sample size, but so far the two best scoring games that Bayless has had came when 1. Roy was out and 2. Roy had his worst game of the year.
Start Blake ahead of Bayless, but ...
Make sure Bayless is getting quality minutes. He’s not fully developed, but if he’s the PG of the future then he’d better have a role better than DNP. Bayless doesn’t need to be starting but should be playing. The NO game is a good model — it doesn’t matter that he came off the bench, what matters is that he was a core part of the team and he got the playing time he deserved. The same thing can happen under Blake when he returns. Sergio loses under this scenario, but Sergio is not the future of the team — Bayless is.
(Unless he gets traded, which still seems like a fair possibility.)
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EXACTLY. Nate needs to figure out a six minute block of time each game (late 3rd Q -- first half of 4th?) to put Rex and the Crash Squad in there and let him go nuts with it...
Make sure Bayless is getting quality minutes. He’s not fully developed, but if he’s the PG of the future then he’d better have a role better than DNP. Bayless doesn’t need to be starting but should be playing.
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Competition
I don’t think we should underestimate the value of competition between Sergio and Jerryd for minutes. It sounds like Jerryd works relentlessly to improve his game – maybe he would work just a little bit less if he was handed the starting job on a playoff team as a 19-year old rookie. I think, to use the popular term, we should let this bake a bit. Play the PG based on matchups and the hot hand, continue to work with and develop both young PGs while maintaining Blakey as the starter. I see no downside to this – it’s not like any of the three will have less trade value a year from now.
Think this summer we should somehow get down to two pgs.
While there trade value won’t go down, I believe that discontent is going to build. We’ve got 3 players that are somewhere between a starter and backup, better than most backup pt. guards worse than most starting pt. guards. This is going to breed discontent eventually. Bayless won’t be happy on the bench in 2 years.
that's the truth
I wouldn’t want him if he’d be happy there. He has too much talent.
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Injuries happen. There needs to be 3 PGs... Just have to make sure they are all being respected and used (and being paid)...
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Yeah we need 3 point guards but
they are all too similar in quality to co-exist. Blake, Bayless, and Sergio all bring different things to the table, but none of them clearly out-shines the other, right now. This can last a while, but it leads to an unhealthy competition for minutes. If we had 2 roughly equal point guards and a third scrub then we could split the minutes between the two and neither would be thrilled but neither would be tremendously unhappy. With 3 roughly equal point guards there isn’t enough time to go around.
This will resolve itself in 2 years with the development of either Bayless or Sergio and the aging of Blake, but keeping all three might create more short-term headaches than the Blazers can handle.
I say play him to increase his trade value
Then trade him so we can draft Rubio in two years.
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I can't wait for the Rubio - ...
… – Kopponen PG wars.
Particularly as I know Kopponen will win hands down – a Viking warrior verses an egg sucking Spainard.
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you know...
That man trained all his life. ALL his life. And yet one person beat him hands down after four years or so of training and another ALMOST beat him when he was less diligent in his training.
I gotta say… inigo montoya really kinda sucked.
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eggs?
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by 22baylor on Feb 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Reminds me of a Passage in the Aeneid
where they are describing the future of Rome as basically Chained up Fury……..That is bayless.
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I said start preparing him for a back up role to blake. I think we should stay the course the the way we are going now until
Sergio messes up. I like Sergio taking the ball to the rim and finishing, we can’t discount that type of play.
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by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 3, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions
Koponen rules!
And if you think he rocks, just wait to you see the Pakistani PG that Pritchard is gonna take in the second round THIS year.
Yeah, but he's going to have to fight for a roster spot with ....
… this Slovene kid that Pritchard has his eye on. He’s just turned 18 (or will later this year), so I don’t think he’s eligable for another year or two, but he’s 6-5 (I think that’s in shoes) , with a pure jump shot that’s money all the way out to NBA 3 pt range, great court vision, decent to above average ball handling skills, and above average hops. The kid is still growing, so he could possibly add an inch or two. The feeling is he’s a Drazen Petrovic type player with enough skill to slide down to the point and – if he continues to grow and adds some muscle – could possibly play the 3. Best of all, the kid is supposed to be a coach’s dream (I seem to remember reading that his dad is a coach) and loves to play defense.
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Blake/Sergio vs Sergio/Bayless
It seems to me that one comparison is missing from the running debate, though I admit to not reading all the posts. That comparison would be to add the Blake/Bayless combo in as well. Perhaps that would be the most lethal combo, but since that info is basically not available, I’m at a loss to come to any conclusions based on the stats given. The second piece of info missing is the defensive side. If the opposing teams are scoring/assisting more against one of the combo’s then that must be taken into consideration.

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by Y5k on Feb 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
how is this not green, i will never know?
by Ben Golliver on Feb 3, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I already gave it a rec in the fanshots
gimme a break
"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
(note the sun is setting ...)
Such sublime symbolism!
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on Feb 3, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Green? I'm honored.
That’s two for me … i think.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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Well...here we go again?
So i was called brainless the other day to think that Jerryd might be able to participate in an All Star game in 3 years…maybe if he buckles down
start now? why really…let him go full throttle as needed for 20 min + a game w/o the pressure of starting. Being in the line-up has brought Sergio’s game up a notch and given him the respect he deserves for the time he’s already put in…
When Blake comes back I would go strictly with match-ups/hot hand…rest them on alternate days and give the other enough game time on their “on” days to make it worth it.
Seems to me though that Sergio is worth alot more money to someone else right now and might have a clearer path to the floor elsewhere…I don’t know what his contract is beyond this year, but his agent apparently is still not content with the position he is in…I would be surprised if he is a long term Blazer, but really what do I know?
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Who called you brainless?
Jerryd is definitely a potential All-Star. He’ll be the fourth in our Big Four — well, unless Rudy beats him to that designation, and then Jerryd will have to be fifth in the Big Five.
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Except that Martell is going to make that 4 his very own ...
… meaning Jerryd may have to settle for being number 6 in Portland’s Big 6.
Although if I had to guess, Bayless will be 5 as an eventual starter and Rudy will be 6, as in a perenial (sp?) 6th Man of the Year winner.
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Hopefully they all 6 hit their true potential
Rot 22ppg
LA 18ppg
Oden 15ppg
Webster 15ppg
Bayless 15ppg
Rudy 15ppg
100ppg with just those 6! Who needs defense when you can outscore everyone mwa ha ha.
The fact is
all six of those guys could potentially be all-stars. Won’t happen, because there aren’t enough points to go around for them all to get it, and there’s certainly no assurance that any of them will hit that potential.
Any you are forgetting Nic and Travis, who both have a lot of potential, too. If Travis starts going to the hoop (he’s done it more this year, did a couple times last night) he becomes unstoppable. If he starts rebounding and passing and defending, like we get glimpses of from time to time….
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Ben Golliver is now following you on Twitter!
I “joined” twitter today. Not sure what that means. Then I got this email saying Ben was following me. What the heck? What does this all mean?
Can someone post a primer on twittering or at least reassure me that Ben isn’t stalking me?
I'm hardly ever serious
But I don’t know much about Twitter. Still not clear on what we can “do” with it. But I’ll figure it out, no worries. In the meantime, I’ll keep my eye out for you.
It's Called Coaching.
Blake’s the starter – because he’s the vet and he’s the saviest PG we have right now. Sergio was promoted to the 2nd team when we traded Jack for Bayless/#13-Rush. Bayless – with only 1 year of college ball, moved into Sergio’s spot. We needed the vet on the first team because we were starting two rookies in Batum and Oden, and two third year players in Aldridge and Roy. Sergio, another 3rd year player, was a better fit for the 2nd team which included one rookie – Fernandez (who he’d already played with), and Pryz and Outlaw – both more experienced vets. Bayless was and is raw – but athletic and skilled. Mac’s approach has worked, as Sergio developed his confidence and improved his game on the 2nd team over the first 1/2 of the season, just as Bayless’s strong dedication to practice gave him more of the skills and confidence needed to perform when needed. When Blake went down, Sergio and Bayless were both better prepared to take his place without any great drop off in production.
This is called coaching, and what we’re seeing now is a result of that coaching. We can see the future at times with Sergio and Bayless. But we know intuitively that Blake will always be a solid and steady player that we’d love to have on this team to play behind one of those two in the future. After all, he’d be paired with Fernandez, Outlaw, and Pryz, and that’s one very strong bench – and our bench is already one of the better one’s in the league and has won us a number of games this year.
I’ll let Mac do the heavy lifting here, as he’s done an admirable job of blending the 4 rookies with Roy, Aldridge, and Sergio – our 3rd year players, and with our “vets” – Pryz, Outlaw and Blake.
This is our 10 man core which, when Webster comes back, will become 11. The most remarkable thing about this team is not just that it has 4 rookies – but that they all have demonstrated they can be productive players in the NBA.
Batum and Bayless and yes Oden and Fernandez – all need a couple of years to come into their own in this league. We tend to forget just how young they are – because we are tantalized by the skills they already show us.
And we have that couple of years simply because we can still manage our payroll with this 11 man core due to the fact that they are so young. In another year or two, however, we’ll have to consoidate down to a 9 man core backed by some minimum cost injury insurance on the bench.
Like KP, I like watching this cake bake. As far as Bayless/Sergio/Blake, I don’t see any reason to make any great changes right now. Granted, I’d like to see more of Bayless, but I also want to win. Mac’s done a good job to date – so, I’ll let him keep doing his job.
by Eben Calder on Feb 4, 2009 5:42 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
well done sir.
Very nice.
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by Y5k on Feb 4, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
I thought our coach was supposed to be terrible.
I thought a cardboard box could have coached four rookies, three third year players, an average PG, a chucker and a back-up center to a 30-17 record against a brutally tough schedule in the Western Conference.
:p
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Blake starts, Bayless takes the back-up minutes
Blake is the steady vet and his outside shot has been critical to the teams success. However, Blake is at best a mediocre defender, and he is lousy off the dribble. His strengths outweigh his limitations for the time being, but he is not the long range answer if you want this team to get better defensively. Once Martell returns and provides some of the outside shooting presence that has been missing. Blake’s importance will decline.
Bayless is the most physically gifted of the three. He is already the best defender, and he will only get better. He makes mistakes, but that only reinforces the fact that he needs time on the court to gain experience.
Many argue that Bayless can’t distribute. I think that is a faulty conclusion based on his early play. Bayless is improving rapidly as a distributor. He has 18 assists in the last four games. 4.5/game on 24 minutes of PT is pretty respectable. He isn’t ready to start, but he is perfect for providing energy and spark off the bench. Once he calms down enough to start hitting his shots like he does in practice he is going to be extremely difficult to defend.
Sergio is simply the odd man out. He has a good game and he may ultimately be better than Blake. If he is willing to sit until Bayless takes over from Blake then I am all for keeping him and making him the long term back-up. If he is not willing or able to be that patient, then I think he should be traded.
I think a reasonable argument can be made that Sergio is as good, or even slightly better, in the short run, but I think the offensive drop-off is sight and counter-balanced by Bayless’ ability to apply on-ball pressure.
In the long run, Bayless is going to be a very special player. If he is the PG of the future, it only makes sense to continue his development.
by upper left corner on Feb 4, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions
I often question if Bayless has the desire to be a good team player
Can he fit into Nate’s system and will his game improve? I have to think that at his age, that he doesn’t have much more room to improve. Rudy on the other hand has plenty of room to improve as he learns the American game.
I believer he does, but ...
he hasn’t been on a team with equals before and hasn’t been put in the role of distributor. So he’s in the middle of a learning process. I hope his determination will make him successful in this role. Roy+Bay will be a scary combo.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
Questions are being Answered.
He’s already answering the question. Not a hint of dissatisfaction has come out of the Blazers re: Bayless. Roy commented after his 23 point game that Bayless was always the first on the floor to practice, and the last out the door. And that he’d been routinely telling Bayless to keep it up, as his time would come. And so, when it did come, he started to show some of the things we thought we saw, but weren’t entirely certain about. And, this “buying into Mac’s system” has been a topic with the other Blazers as well. Rebounding, points in the paint, and turnovers are all areas of improvement, and Roy and Aldridge both have mentioned how Mac kept hammering them over and over – and now they’re beginning to get the fact that this stuff wins games.
And one of the most relevant points about players buying into a coaches philosophy – is that winning reinforces it. And as they win, they become believers. If the Blazers were 23 and 24, not 30 and 17, it might be a little different. But they’re winning more than they – or we – thought they would.
:)
I sent him an email, which was slightly over the top and uh, he hasn’t responded yet. :]
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Feb 4, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions

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