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Why this won't be like Chicago circa 2004?

A young team takes the NBA by storm. Pundits everywhere project them to be title contenders. Preseason magazines feature them prominently on their covers.

The team? The Chicago Bulls.

As recently as three years ago, the Bulls were considered an emerging powerhouse in the East. They had a young nucleus that had overachieved at an early age. They were a hard working team that seemed to have a good mixture of talent. They were only a piece or two away from putting it all together.

I think about that Chicago team a lot as I watch the current Blazers team. I wonder what lessons can be learned from their rapid rise and descent. I fear repeating their trajectory.

More recently, Golden State seemed on a similar path towards stardom only to have their team start over again in a rebuilding phase.

Most commonly, I find myself looking for proof that this team has some characteristic that distinguishes it from other young, flash-in-the-pan teams like Chicago. I find myself hoping that Roy's leadership, Pritchard's smarts, and Oden's size set Portland apart. I wonder if the good characters on the team and the chance to win it all are enough to prevent selfishness from breaking out and destroying the promising future.

Remember, at the height of the Bull's ascension, no one was talking about selfish play, player deficiencies, etc. Everything was about potential. Sound familiar?

What do you think? Why are the Blazer 2009 not like the Bulls 2004? What sets this team apart? What gives you confidence that the team can fulfill its potential?

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I always thought those baby Bulls teams were overhyped.

They clearly had further to go than just getting their youth some experience and being just one piece away. Why I think the Blazers will be better? More talent, more depth, smarter management that won’t fall in love with what they think they have that they don’t have, and what I believe to be a great coaching staff. Finally, those Bulls never had a franchise center, while the Blazers are working on developing one.

I don’t see a lot of similarities beyond the obvious parallels of both teams being young potential getting lots of national attention for what they could accomplish in the future.

Dunk

by Billy Ray Bates on Feb 3, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

POLL!?!?

but I think KP!

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

by faith on Feb 3, 2009 9:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

in addition

McMillian>>Skiles

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are a few major differences

 I’ll talk more about the Warriors (since I’m a Bay Area resident), but both are dramatically different.

1. Terrible management- The Warriors have a system where they can pick up swingmen from anywhere, but still decided to use their resources on that while letting their PG leave and never picking up any big man depth.

2. Roster flaws- The Bulls’ future was murdered by drafting two bigs who absolutely cannot score in the lottery. Furthermore, they never had a true #1 scorer like the Blazers have. Also, Skiles was a far better coach than Del Negro, even after the team revolted on him.

3. Resources- The Blazers have a core, the money to keep it together, Euro players who are either future contributors or assets, and an arsenal of picks (with a GM who won’t draft Joakim Noah in the lotto). The Warriors horrifically mismanaged their resources, and the Bulls have had trouble with it.

4. Coaching- Nate is a better coach than Nellie, Skiles, or Del Negro, especially for a developing team

by dprodigy19 on Feb 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

weaker eas for the bulls

the east at that time was much weaker. with just 3 teams that had any chance at going far into the playoffs. and Cleveland only because king James.

"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr

by farmboy on Feb 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the comparison with the Warriors is a good one. The Bulls had good young players at all the wing positions. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Noc. However they had nobody in the post. The 2007 playoff team had a front line of PJ Brown and Ben Wallace. Both were at the end of their productive careers. The Warriors were smart trying to get Brand but should have just sat on the cap space once he went to Philly. The difference between those teams and the current Blazers is our depth of good player at the harder to find positions. It is much easier to find a quality wing player than a quality big. As an example, look at the current people rumored to be on the block. Hinrich, Wallace, Jefferson, Redd, Bibby, Andre Miller, Howard, Lee, Conley, Carter, Anthony Parker, Magette, Salmons, Mike Miller, Brad Miller. Lee and Miller are the only decent bigs available, while there are a dozen guards and small forwards rumored to be available.

The other big difference with the Bulls is the lack of a player who can dominate in crunch time. Deng, Hinrich and Gordon are all good players but none of them can consistently create their own shot in crunch time. We already have that player in Roy and possibly another in Bayless.

Brett Pill - Lord of the double.

by malarky on Feb 3, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus Outlaw ....

…. and I believe eventually, Aldridge.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Feb 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said dprodigy19

all good points, nice.

by Sungari on Feb 3, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

with a GM who won’t draft Joakim Noah in the lotto

That reminds me, there was a story that Portland was really interested in drafting Noah the year before he was drafted (they were hoping he would leave Florida early)

I just don’t remember if that was the final gasp of the Nash/Patterson era, or if KP was fully in charge?

Regardless, it’s a good thing that Joe-Kim stayed in school, eh?

by two4larue on Feb 3, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting Noah in the lottery by itself isn't a problem

But drafting him when you drafted Tyrus Thomas the year before is.

by dprodigy19 on Feb 10, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2004 Bulls, or 2007 Bulls?

The failure of the 2004 Bulls I don’t remember being all that shocking, especially with Jay Williams going down. The 2007 Bulls, however, were expected to blossom into title contenders after a strong run in 2006.

So, I would say we are not like the 2004 Bulls at all. No catastrophic injury, Curry just isn’t very good, Chandler was plagued by injuries. We’re not like the 2007 Bulls either, in that Roy and Aldridge have sustained high levels of production for 2.5 years now and are clearly not a flash in the pan. Our team is deep and talented and does not to me resemble either of those Bulls teams.

by matthewcc on Feb 3, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Could be 2007

I went to WikiPedia to try to place the correct year for the Bulls team because I couldn’t remember exactly. I just remembered a lot of hype that never came to pass.

by grigs on Feb 3, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought about this too

The Bulls were always a “post player away.” But we have a GREAT big man rotation, where our greatest weakness is backup PF. And honestly I think Outlaw is starting to do a good job because when he’s on the court we may not be as strong on the rebounds, but we get great spacing on offense which Roy can always exploit. I can’t even remember who the Bulls ran with on the pivots before signing an over the hill Ben Wallace, huge difference.

All the trade rumors have us picking up a SF and a PG to make us a contender now, but honestly I think that all we need is the PG. Batum hasn’t exactly been losing us games, and neither has Outlaw IMO, at worst he’s won as many as he’s lost. The limited skill sets of our PGs is whats been the biggest hamper on this team. Blake shoots and runs an efficient offense, Sergio penetrates and finds the open man, and Bayless penetrates and robs teams of their manhood.

Because we don’t have one complete PG we do talk potential. “If Bayless/Sergio develops a three pointer,” is one example. But the Bulls would still be talking about the potential of their entire roster, including their best three players. Luol Deng is not a scorer IMO, he’s a midrange shooter, kind of like Roy minus the driving. When talk about Roy’s potential it has become more of the “what more can he do?” sentiment, which almost every month now we get a new answer to. Oh, so he can score 50, hey he was kind of close to a quad-double there!

Ultimately though, our team has “culture” ;) Our players won’t quit on Coach Mac, our locker room won’t deteriorate, rookies won’t mouth off to Monty, Dean or anyone else on the coaching staff. At this point I would be shocked to read that anyone on the roster mouthed off to anyone else in the organization at all, thank god we don’t have Noah!

"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.

by Devenex on Feb 3, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

There's one difference between the 2006-2007 Chicago Bulls and the 2008-2009 Portland Trail Blazers.

It isn’t Kevin Pritchard versus John Paxson, as the deified Pritchard has time to lose his golden boy status.

It isn’t Nate McMillan versus Scott Skiles, as the latter is a more proficient defensive coach.

It certainly isn’t LaMarcus Aldridge versus Luol Deng, as they’re equally talented players.

It isn’t even Brandon Roy versus Ben Gordon, although Roy is vastly superior to Gordon.

There’s only one major difference, with that difference being the following man.

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by AK1984 on Feb 3, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Roy's a bigger difference

The Bulls did not (and do not) have a player of Roy’s caliber. Oden might be why the Blazers don’t turn out to be the 2000s Sacramento Kings, but Roy will prevent the Blazers from turning into the Bulls.

by PoliSam on Feb 3, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, there's also more depth on the Blazers.

The Bulls drafted their starters, but their bench has not been that great.

The Blazers second unit usually outscores the opponents’ bench. The Blazers have also shown that even if someone goes down with an injury (Webster, Roy, Blake) they have other guys that can fill in and step up.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Feb 3, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Oden is just another difference

and a big one at that, but certainly not the only difference.

McMillan and Skiles are miles apart on how they communicate with their teams.

KP would be able to pull the trigger on either the Gasol or KG trades. No sitting around watching cheap talent turn into overpriced or no talent at all. Also, he probably would not have laid down that big contract on Nocioni or signed Ben Wallace. Those are classic Paxson.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oden is

the difference. Ben Gordon is near the talent level of Roy, obviously Roy has the advantage here especially in smarts and hustle. However, Oden is the difference between playoff contender and title contender. Although LMA is awesome he doesn’t get us points in the paints like a “true post presence.” LMA doesn’t have the effect on the opponents key like Greg and Joel can. The difference Oden makes will become more evident as the years go by we have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so you are telling me

that everything is the same in blazerland if Reinsdorf and Paxson are running the show? This is the most rhetorical of rhetorical questions.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you have a point

KP has to get a portion of the praise but some of this was luck.

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 3, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we got the worst

pick our record could have gotten us in 2006, KP turns this into a 2nd and 6th pick. Oden was luck, but 2006 was beautiful maneuvering.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will

definitely agree with that :)

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is that a pic of? Oden?

The firewall at work has that site on its naughty list.

by EngineerScotty on Feb 3, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception.

by shenanigans on Feb 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the whole damn game and was so pissed at Brandon Roy's weak effort. I thought we had

a chance when Paul went out but I didn’t realistically think we would come back from 20 down. Lucky game.

by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 3, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Reinsdorf

His first priority are the Sox. The Bulls come a long way behind that. And there he falls in love with certain types of players and overspends on them, then is not willing to pay other talent. He is also not willing to pay the luxury tax. Tyson Chandler went away. J.R. Smith. Ben Gordon is likely next.

KP and Paxson actually have more things in common than one might think. Pritchard has said repeatedly that he is using what Paxson (and the Spurs) did as an organizational model, bringing in young talented players with a good attitude. So far he might have been more successful, and that has a lot to do with his owner. Paul Allen is willing to spend on the Blazers first, and willing to spend on whatever talent the front office tells him is the right one.

by Norsktroll on Feb 3, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

want Smith

a 2nd year player when they got him? I thought everyone hated his attitude as he didnt fit in with Byron Scott and was not going to fit in with Skiles so they just flipped him as quick as they got him. I dont remember anything about Reinsdorf (on golf) being cheap on that one.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

want->wasnt

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Feb 3, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Reinsdorf is not at all like Paul Allen

Who only owns one professional sports team. We don’t have him interfering and falling in love with players like, lets say, Darius Miles, who are then overpaid in long contracts, right?

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.

by Clevelander among roses on Feb 3, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as the Darius Miles thing goes,

I remember that Paul Allen said that he loved Miles, and wanted him to be a Blazer for life, or something similar. I’m willing to bet that had something to do with the contract Darius signed, but I could be wrong.

As far as how Paul Allen spends his time, I’m afraid I don’t actually have his appointment book in front of me. Anyone here know his schedule?

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.

by Clevelander among roses on Feb 3, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Darius

was most likely sold to him by the old regime. It is just like any other business owner he doesn’t do the grunt work of scouting, sure he had seen Darius and probably had an opinion like any fan. The difference would be the way the execs presented it. KP seems to keep a pretty tight ship, no information escapes, unless he wants it to. I haven’t heard P.A. giving this sort of commentary under KP, maybe this is because Paul trusts KP and doesn’t feel the need to bless some moves therefore dismissing others.

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 3, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Allen owns the Seahawks also

I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.

""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."

by Dragonage on Feb 3, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, forgot to use the sarcasm font.

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.

by Clevelander among roses on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Allen owns 2 teams

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

See above

Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.

Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.

by Clevelander among roses on Feb 3, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those Bulls teams are polar opposites of this Blazer team

Those Bulls teams were excellent defense teams (top 3 in defensive efficiency), but poor offensively (bottom 10 in offensive efficiency).

This years Blazers are good on offense (2nd in offensive efficiency) and so-so on defense (18th in defensive efficiency as of today).

Because the Bulls’ team was so unbalanced, once the defense started to slip they weren’t able to make up for it with their offense.

by tingeyga on Feb 3, 2009 9:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Because

Chicago was ridiculously overhyped for a team with no real big men. Chicago also lacked the depth of Portland.

Meanwhile, Portland’s young players get antihype when they have much more room for growth than Chicago’s young guys did.

by Zaig on Feb 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that a team is called ridiculously overhyped

When the Blazers still need to make the playoffs.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your point?

Chicago was ridiculously overhyped, that has nothing to do with the Blazers. You can’t argue that Chicago wasn’t overhyped because they were. It’s fact. Not even Chicago fans try and argue that.

Outside of Rudy, the Blazers aren’t getting any undeserved hype. No one knows who Batum is, Oden is criticized constantly, and Bayless is just beginning to become known outside of being that guy who owned Summer League.

As for your playoff comment, Portland is the youngest active roster in the NBA and they will make the playoffs in a real conference. Not the Eastern Conference of 2007. That is reason for more hype than the ridiculous bandwagon that Chicago got.

(Side note: I basically got laughed off another forum for saying Bulls wouldn’t make the playoffs last year. Point me.)

by Zaig on Feb 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you were sentient enough to predict a complete collapse by the front office and roster?

Good for you, because you were probably the only one.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an idiot

I thought they would be contenders by now.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On potential....

Roy, LMA, Oden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hinrich, Deng, Gordan

Not to mention this team is way deeper 4-15 with young talent than the Bulls ever could have hoped to have been….

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Feb 3, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hornets

I think a more appropriate comparison would be last year’s Hornets team.

by clonigro on Feb 3, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Um, no

Chris Paul last year played at a level that no Blazer has yet to achieve. Aldridge and Oden could surpass West and Chandler, and some combo of Outlaw/Rudy is better than Peja, but Chris Paul alone makes them such a better team.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, yes

I was comparing the Blazers (entire organization) to last year’s Hornets (entire organization) as a better comparison than the ‘baby bulls’ (entire organization). If we want to have player by player comparisons, of course CP3 rises to the top. On both teams, all of the ingredients are there for long term success. The expectations are the same this year for the Blazers as they were last year for the Hornets. The Blazers this year are not necessarily surprising anyone…same with the Hornets last year. The ‘baby bulls’ surprised everyone twice. Once for being as good as they were one season. Second for being as bad as they were the following year. I would compare the baby bulls to Nate’s last Sonics team.

by clonigro on Feb 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

despite the positions that are still in question..

Portland has all young talent and potential starters at every position.. one day.. most reasonable non-homer fans will admit that we are a piece or two away from championship caliber.. but we really mean that we are a piece or two away..

The Baby Bulls core was.. who? Deng, Gordon, Heinrich.. Thomas.. Noah… ? even now with Rose.. they are still certainly missing key pieces and you cannot even pretend that these guys could grow into a complete team.. they are (still and have been since they upset the Heat in ’07) a CORE piece or two away… PLUS being a small piece or two away like many teams are..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Feb 3, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Explain

Why are we a piece of two away from championship caliber? Make a year or two away, but the pieces are already there.

Kobe/Gasol/Bynum vs Roy/LA/Oden. This is a 3 on 3 (same positions too) that the Lakers beat us in for now. Next year the gap will be closer and in 2 years we might even have the edge on them. We also have more depth and a better supporting cast in 2 years. Even if some of our guys don’t work out, we have others who might.

Bayless, Batum, Rodriguez, Webster, Rudy, and even Outlaw are still up in the air in terms of their true potential. Logically, not all 6 of them work out and become awesome, but if even 2 or 3 of them become what they can be, Portland becomes a serious title threat.

by Zaig on Feb 3, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if the Blazers are a piece or two away

it would be small pieces.. that was my point.. I think if we could have what we think Oden, Bayless, and Batum will be in three years next year, we would be contenders next year..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Feb 3, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They also had

Curry and Chandler to handle the inside.

When they signed Ben Wallace, they traded Chandler.

When they discovered that Curry wasn’t the next Shaq, they traded him.

And suddenly the Bulls had a decent set of perimeter players and nobody to play inside.

Then they discovered that Wallace wasn’t all that he used to be, so they traded him for Drew Gooden and – you guessed it – more perimeter players.

If Curry and Chandler had lived up to their potential/hype, the Bulls would be dominant. They didn’t (at least not in Chicago), so the Bulls were left with nearly nobody to play in the paint.

Could this happen to the Blazers? Yes. If Oden and Aldridge turn out to be nothing more than role players, the Blazers will never reach the Finals with the current cast of characters. But somehow I don’t think that will happen. For one, Aldridge has already shown something more than just ‘potential’.

by Storyteller on Feb 3, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Difference with LA/Oden

LA is better already than Curry/Chandler. Even if he somehow didn’t improve anymore throughout his career, he’d still be good enough if he becomes a third option.

Oden still hasn’t proven he will live up to his potential/hype, but his potential/hype is on another level compared to Curry/Chandler. This means that even not living up to his hype could equate to us having a Center in the ASG in a few years.

by Zaig on Feb 3, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

injuries

the bulls, they had them.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Feb 3, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The biggest difference between 2 teams?

Management and coaching.

When you have an owner who doesn’t care about the luxury tax, it makes a huge difference in how the GM can acquire talent. Not having to waste 60 million on the supposed future big man is also a big deal.

But the Bulls and Blazers are 2 completely different teams. From 2004-2007 Chicago was easily a top 3 defensive team. Player development was not really encouraged by the front office, and the youngs all played big minutes simply because there were no other vets to take their minutes. While Zach Randolph was traded away to give Aldridge the starting spot, Joe Smith, PJ Brown, and Nocioni were always favored over Tyrus (who not coincidentally posted a PER of 18 in January).

I wouldn’t worry about Portland dropping off. The only concern is someone like Oden never realizing his potential because of all the expectations put on him at such a young age.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Might be better

to compare last years team to the Bulls over hyped season. Last year we were a great jump shooting team ala the “baby Bulls” that was missing an interior presence. We made some noise but ultimately we weren’t quite good enough to get over the top. This year we score in the paint and have great interior defense, the offense is coming. I think this year we are light years ahead of the Baby Bulls."

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Blaz' are a way better looking team too!

nima told me to tell you to please stop using "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

by tominhawaii on Feb 3, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

Noah give me weak knees.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i just have one comment on this topic

and that is for all of you to think of all the trash your talking about how those said bulls were overhyped and not really that good. yet your willing to trade away the exact thing we are saying is making us better, our depth to get 2 of the core players on that “overhyped” team. saying it will make us a championship caliber team.

id prefer to keep everything we have then take on those bulls.

in my mind, if we make any trade, its to get marion and if he fits good, if not, we just got a ton of cap space to resign our core players, who are where this teams future is at.

i mean really, resigning bayless, roy, fernandez, la, oden and batum to long term contracts should be our priority, as we already have webster to long term good price.

by Obsidian on Feb 3, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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