Defensive Questions
Over the last few weeks my inbox has gotten crowded with people asking various version of the same question:
What's going on with the Blazers' defense? Why isn't it better?
Let's get into that a little.
First, some perspective... I don't know a single person with any credibility who predicted the Blazers would be excellent in every aspect of the game this year. The Blazers are scoring 99 points per game and rank second in the league behind the L*kers in offensive efficiency (points generated per 100 possessions). They're really quite good on the offensive end considering their collective age and circumstances. That means most nights defending well enough to win is good enough. The 35-20 record matters far more than any misgivings about the defense right now. It's working so far and that's the bottom line.
The issue comes when you start to project into the playoffs and then into subsequent seasons. If the Blazers' defensive issues aren't resolved they aren't going to achieve sustained greatness. I can't imagine a more dominant offensive power than the Phoenix Suns were in the middle of this decade. They showed that you can't do it with offense alone.
So then...let's look at the defense.
Painting with broad strokes, you can say that six factors determine defensive success: anticipation, familiarity, the ability to impede, communication, commitment, and cohesiveness. We'll run through each here.
Anticipation
Several attributes could fit under this category: basketball IQ, court vision and perception, being a student of the game...whatever you call it, good defenders can't just react to their opponent, they have to anticipate. A defender is at a serious disadvantage in every person-on-person sport because they don't control the means of attack. The other guy has the ball. He knows what he's going to do with it before you do. You have to understand and anticipate what he wants to do in order to have any hope of stopping him.
The more basic the game the easier it is to anticipate the best course of action to take against your opponent. In a schoolyard or rec league game the idea is usually to defend easier inside shots and take your chances with the opponent shooting from range. If you get into organized ball you'll find yourself taking away an opponent's dominant hand or learning to read from his eyes or body motion whether he's going to shoot or pass, drive or pull up. Most of the time you'll face opponents with dominant tendencies and limited skills, making it easy to read the situation.
The range of options open to a professional player based on their skills alone dwarfs any comparison to the above situations. Factor in the complexity of professional offenses and you're literally playing a whole new ballgame. Most of the volume scorers in the league can go right or left, pull up or drive, pass or shoot, and have a variety of hesitation moves, trick dribbles, feints, and disguises to mask their intentions. Their teammates are also poised to support most or all of those eventualities and to take advantage of the opportunities they create.
Unless you've got one of the other attributes mentioned in spades--overwhelming athleticism compared to your opponent or great familiarity with him, for instance--you're probably going to look lost out there, guessing what he'll do instead of knowing or worse, reacting to what he's already done instead of being ahead of the play.
One of the first steps of good defense is learning to overcome the guessing game. You have to know your craft, be mentally sharp, focus, remember what you've been taught, and apply it in unusual circumstances on short notice.
One of the problems the Blazers have right now is that some of their key rotation players either lack these attributes or don't come by them naturally. Some were drafted incredibly young and never picked up fundamentals of defensive reading. Some appear to lack the ability to focus or remember while under pressure. For many defense was just never an issue.
Look at the number of current Blazers who are former lottery picks and/or were drafted at a time when the franchise was suffering from a severe lack of talent and production. What makes a lottery pick a lottery pick? Hint: it usually isn't defense first. When you're drafting in the teens or higher you're looking at 20 ppg guys. It's far easier to shore up a team that way. A 20 ppg guy can still score 20 even if his teammates are lost causes. A great defensive guy can defend his heart out all day but if the four guys beside him are schleps than his effort is completely wasted. Simply put, you don't have a lot of guys on this team who made the league based on their defense. They haven't exercised these mental muscles.
Some of the more alert, practiced, complete players compensate better than others but in general you're looking at a bunch of guys who are still thinking about what to do out there and reacting instead of anticipating and acting. Veteran, skilled offensive players will take advantage of that all night long, and they do.
At least half of defense happens in the head. It takes time to wrap your head around the situation and then condition your body to follow. Most of the Blazers aren't there yet so they don't defend well yet.
Familiarity
This is the second half of the mental equation. Human beings perform better and more efficiently when they are in a comfortable environment, familiar with the task at hand, and practiced in accomplishing it. Think of any time in your life where one of those three conditions was lacking. How well did you perform?
Familiarity takes many forms. We've already mention fundamentals of individual defense but there's also familiarity with the team's defensive concepts, teammates, opponents, referees, and the league as a whole. How long do you suppose it takes even a great player, let alone an average one or one lacking in defensive credentials, to get accustomed in all of those six areas? Even if you have the basic physical tools, have the mental capacity, the desire, and have excellent coaching it could easily take you a couple of seasons before you start learning how to face a Baron Davis or Chris Bosh...what they're going to do at what time of the game, what a foul looks like against them, and just how darn good and quick and big and deadly they are compared to anyone you've ever seen.
It's important to note how many of those six areas of familiarity can be coached and learned through practice. Fundamentals of individual defense can be covered and the team's defensive concepts are presumably beaten into players' heads on a daily basis. You might also gain some familiarity with teammates but it's not likely that everybody is playing in true game mode in practice, nor are you defending a real opponent in practice.
This is one of the great roadblocks to acquiring defensive familiarity: you cannot pick it up outside of real games. Offensive moves depend on you. You can get in the post and practice a baby hook 6,000 times and that's going to at least roughly translate to what it looks like in a game. Defense depends on other people. The coaches can drill you in theory but they can't actually show you what it's like to defend a Kobe Bryant. If they could they'd be making seven figures scoring 30 per night and not teaching knuckleheads. Even if you draw your team's star every day in practice how hard is he going at you, especially since he's a vet who makes his bones (and needs his energy for) playing under the lights for real stakes? And even if he does go hard most times, you get good at defending him, not your opponent. The lessons can translate, but they're not the same.
So what elements are coachable and can be picked up in practice? Individual fundamentals...yes. Team concepts...yes. Teammate familiarity...somewhat. Opponent familiarity...no. Referee familiarity...no. League familiarity...no. No matter what you do or how well-coached you are, you probably only pick up 35-40% of what you really need to be a good defender outside of real-game situations.
The obvious conclusion is that in order to become a good defender you're going to have to get in some games, which means the team is going to have to suffer through your defensive learning curve in real games in the meantime. This is why veterans who have gone through that learning period are valued over youngsters.
Only four of the top ten rotation guys for the Blazers have ever averaged 30+ minutes per game for a season. Five of those guys have never averaged 15+ minutes per game. Four of them have never played in this league at all, let alone with each other. How much of a learning curve do you anticipate there might be for all of those things that only happen in a real-game environment? What are we suffering through because of that?
The Ability to Impede
Anticipating and being familiar with what the defense should look like are the first steps to good defense but you also have to be able to have a physical effect on the play once you're in the right spot. You can do this with height, quickness, skill, bulk, or strength depending on the situation. If you're lacking in any of these areas you may not be able to cope.
Most of the Blazers are lacking in one or more of these areas. In general the guards have height and some skill but not bulk. The big men have height and skill as well but not enough quickness, bulk, or strength. This is why you tend to see three things happening on defense:
- The player doesn't get there in time (usually bigs)
- The player gets there but just gets bowled over by the opponent (usually guards)
- The player gets there but fouls instead of making a good defensive stand (everybody)
These things can be compensated for. The better your anticipation and experience the quicker you become (in essence). The older you get the more bulk and strength your body can handle and thus the better you're able to deal with contact. The more fundamentals you have down the better you will be in getting to the spot and being effective once you're there.
Once again we see the Blazers aren't there yet though. Opposing scorers don't fear Portland players because Portland players don't have the physical presence that commands respect and don't have enough tools to compensate.
I think we also have to admit that there are certain players who will just never have the physical attributes to be good defenders. We can live with a couple of those, but we sure can't compensate for them much at the moment.
Communication
Not all of defense is individual. Nobody has eyes in the back of their head. Teammates are responsible for helping each other see what's going on and what kind of defensive execution is necessary. This requires constant communication.
The first element of that communication is vision. As we just pointed out, most of our players are too young to have achieved that yet. Many of them are still trying to figure out what they're supposed to do, let alone what everyone around them is supposed to do.
The second element of communication is familiarity and trust. You have to have goodwill for your fellow players, understand what they need, give it to them, and know that will be reciprocated. The Blazers almost certainly have the heart and desire to do that, but they don't yet have the familiarity with each others' needs and tendencies nor the trust in the greater whole.
The third element of communication is the guts to shout out, direct, take charge, and sometimes call to task. This is the disadvantage of this team being built primarily out of a large group of peers. You don't have that ultra-strong, smart, vocal presence shouting out what needs to be done or calling people to task when it's not. You get sullen stares and disbelieving glances out there, but no true generalship. There's not even a real forward personality among the bunch.
The end result is that too often communication is lacking. Help isn't called for or the call isn't responded to. Guards whack into picks that big men should have warned them about. The strong side takes defensive actions that the weak side doesn't respond to. One of the great joys of this season is watching a defensive scheme run correctly through multiple layers and rotations. At this point it's a rare joy, however.
Commitment
To be a good defender you have to want to defend. Defense takes more energy than offense. You have to move all the time instead of picking your spots. You have to be crouched down in uncomfortable positions. You have to take and deliver blows. You have to stay laser focused instead of standing in the weak-side corner waiting while other people play. (Even if you're defending that weak-side corner guy you're probably going to have to run in to help on penetration and then run back out when they dish to your man. And by the way you'd better run in at the right angle and with your arms in the right position or that pass is going to whizz by you quicker than you can recover and your guy is going to sink an uncontested three.)
Offense is fun. Defense is work. Offense is applauded. Defense is usually ignored by the masses. Offense makes you millions. Defense makes you sore. You've got to burn to do this in order to do it well.
Usually that burning for defense comes in a couple ways:
- It's your calling card in the league and that's how you're making a living.
- You have figured out enough to realize that defense is the key to true team greatness. You know you can be good with offense but if you want to be great--let alone be a champion--you need to defend. You burn to be a champion so you give it up on the defensive end.
As stated above the Blazers don't have many guys who made it into this league and have job security by virtue of their defense. I can think of one. What's up Joel, my man? Nicolas Batum may eventually become another. That's 1.5 out of 15 though.
With only two Blazers with any playoff experience at all (and that very minor) there's no way they've had time to learn the second method.
Basically what we end up with is defense being the most convenient way to get to our next offensive possession. But we get to that possession whether the ball goes through the net or not, so that's not the best of motivators. Also when the offense goes south the defense tends to as well. That's a sure sign of a young team. Veteran teams often turn games around with their defense first.
We see effort from the Blazers. We see movement. But the true, all-out commitment isn't there yet.
Cohesiveness
Another word for this might be consistency.
I've used this analogy a few times before but it's the best one I can think of. Defense is like a dam. If only 80% of it is standing the whole thing has failed no matter how strong that 80% is.
Good defense has to happen as a unit or it doesn't happen at all. That means all five guys out there have to sell out for it every possession. That's five guys who have done their homework, who are focused, who know their fundamentals and the team concepts, who have the physical tools to succeed, who communicate with each other, who are committed to getting the job done, and who do this all with a practiced, fluid ease.
I can't even tell you how far the Blazers are from that ideal right now. It's not one or two players falling short either. Few of the Blazers are grossly negligent and I don't think there's a one of them who has quit trying. But on most plays there's somebody who's missing a rotation, or not seeing the play, or not calling something out, or taking a play off, or getting overwhelmed by the guy he's assigned to, or getting bumped off by a pick, or getting shoved out of the post, or leaning the wrong way, or playing the wrong angle, or committing a foul. It's not the same guy all the time but it's somebody most every time. And that one thing is enough to scuttle the defense because we're not practiced or experienced enough to compensate.
There's not enough cohesion. There's not enough consistency. So there's not enough defense.
Where Do We Go From Here?
Obviously this isn't going to be fixed overnight. Nor is there a magic scheme you can employ to make this better. Zone, man-to-man...mix it up all you want, none of it will work without the above elements. You might be able to mask shortcomings here or there, which the Blazers do, but a skilled, smart offensive opponent is going to find those weaknesses and exploit them.
The first and most obvious step is just to let these players grow into being better defenders. They need to grow physically, fundamentally, and most importantly in experience. You can't shortcut that process.
You may find in the course of that process that there will be some who will never commit to becoming good defenders. I guess if they're important enough to you offensively you have to find a way to work around that. That may affect your defensive schemes and also other players you dismiss or acquire. If those weak defenders aren't important enough to you offensively then you either dump them or minimize their playing time. And I think you do that without remorse or a second look back.
As it stands the Blazers have so many players in need of game-time experience that the coaching staff is having to pick and choose who to give it to. If you scratch a little bit beneath their choices I think we're seeing that defensive potential plays into those choices. That's probably appropriate.
Second, the team really needs to consider picking up more veterans who can earn respect and playing time and who also have defense as part of their package. There's no way to shortcut the defensive learning curve but you can compensate for it better with players who know what they're doing surrounding your young apprentices. Frankly I don't see the Blazers going far in the playoffs until the defensive issue is resolved and I don't see any other way to resolve it in a timely manner other than bringing in some more knowledgeable guys. The Blazers' window is quite long but it would be a shame to waste the first third of it waiting for us to get our defensive act together.
A Final Note
Running down the issues like this make the Blazer defense seem very negative. Granted it's not pretty, but remember also that I'm answering the specific question, "What is wrong with the Blazer defense." When you look at the sum total of the answer here it amounts to "Nothing that shouldn't be given the circumstances." That's not an entirely negative answer. And those circumstances won't remain the same forever.
Also we should note that transition defense has generally been better (or at least more active) this year than in years past. Defense right at the rim has also looked better. Those are good starting points as they eliminate the easiest of baskets.
Remember the mantra for this year: "Defend as well as you have to in order to win." We should all be happy with that for now, while at the same time hoping that this won't have to be the mantra much longer. "Win because you defended so well" has a much nicer ring.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Amazing
Great analysis as always Dave.
It really helps put into perspective that many of our players still have hope. LA given time will bulk up, Batum over time will get those extra reps during games. Oh, and that Greg feller might end up being special on D someday too.
by Powder842 on Feb 23, 2009 3:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love it
but I can’t talk substantially about it this late at night. I’ll sleep on it.
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by Magnum on Feb 23, 2009 3:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good to have your analysis – thanks. I was especially interested in the “Good defense has to happen as a unit or it doesn’t happen at all” aspect.
It’s got to be hard for a coaching staff to have to teach fundamentals when they’d really rather be teaching how to win. I wonder if a coach has ever said to a GM, “no more 19 year olds who have potential but no experience. Get me only guys who have played four years and improved each year.” Thought it, yes, said it, nope. Sure there are exceptions, but wouldn’t most coaches prefer a ready player like B-Roy to a raw but talented TrOut?
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by jorga on Feb 23, 2009 3:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"And those circumstances won't remain the same forever."
Well, even the most critical of us can, well, “Dream All Day.”
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by AK1984 on Feb 23, 2009 5:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
OFFENSE wins games....DEFENSE....
Is the excuse poorly excecuting Offenders use to clear up their lack of OFFENSE!!!…
Sure your lock down defenders are….nice and all, but who stops roy? kobe? tmac? durant? james?…no one….so …OFFENSE wins games and CHAMPIONSHIPS!!…if your D is ok. just becuase the past champions where mostly great defensive teams….yada yada yada, but ….I say they were better with offense before they ever were ok on defense.
the day I see me a shut out in basketball, you can praise D all you want, but until then…it remains an offensive minded game, and unless you can put ball in basket more than your opposition….you lose.
BOOK IT. n I’ll be back at noon to see where ya’ll are with it. ;)
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by faith on Feb 23, 2009 7:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...you really nailed alot of my feelings there
part of good D is accepting when you are beat and not fouling stupidly…you are a guard and get your ankles broken at the foul line….break down to the other side for the fast outlet and get the two back…don’t hack the dude heading to the basket, turning his two into three…some guy gets the position and pass and is about to dunk it…let it go…beat him down the floor while he’s celebrating and get it back…
Effort and intensity – - -staying focused and sharp….that might be all we can hope for now…gotta try…but you are right…if defense could stop LeBron would he avg 29 a game? A few gifted folks out there can slow down most anyone….but the game is geared to bring advantage to offensive play, so thats where you have to get it done for real
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by LetsBlaze on Feb 23, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, all those Phoenix Suns championships really prove your point.
Oh wait…
How are the highest scoring teams doing this year?
Golden State: 20-36
NY Knicks: 23-32
Keep in mind, the L*kers are the highest scoring offense in the league right now, but are averaging 109 points a game, compared to Golden State’s 108.2 points per game (less than a point difference). Whats the deciding factor between those two teams?
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
by Arby on Feb 23, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
adequate defense is needed...the two teams you mentioned don't even try to play D
and their offensive efficiency isn’t there either…
effort intensity and focus need to be there….effectiveness will follow….experience is key and can’t be taught …hafta have familiarity with those you are facing off with to really execute defensively against them…off course preparedness is a factor too…
so our defense sucks, we score less than GS and have 35 wins – - – whats YOUR theory?
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
by LetsBlaze on Feb 23, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great offensive teamwork.
and a dedication to the defensive end.
I ain’t trying to say that OFFENSIVE minded teams win games….that is not true..but you find me the team that scores 0 points and still wins a game…then you can have your arguement.
my comment is true… if you cannot put more points on the board than the team you are facing you lose.
if our shooting percentage and our opposing teams shooting percentage is exactly the same, yet we win…..?? or even better if our shooting percentage is less than that of the team we play….(as it has been most of the season) ….some want to point to and credit our defense…..we all know that isn’t true.
Offensively we kick ass…..and are only mediocore on D……
we keep the kick butt offense…..tighten up the D…..and we’ll be alright…but I insist that great defensive teams did not always start with D…..they were great on offense to begin with…and the D followed….
OFFENSE wins games……..great D just makes it easier…..
but if you have an overwellming Offensive squad built of the great scorers……and pit them against a truely great defensive squad….
offense wins 7 out of 10 times………becuase the DEFENSIVE squad cannot put more baskets through the hoop than the offensive minded team……
all verrrrrry …hole pokable….. but still……
(keep in mind I’m an idiot, and havn’t a clue how to prove my thoughts…but thems is my thoughts)
dave’s right…..I’m wrong….
but I still think it’s a silly statement that D wins stuff….cuz it doesn’t….OFFENSE DOES!!!
;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Feb 23, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're silly, defense wins.
Portland has 85ish possessions a game. Even without fouls, if they were the best possible offensive team, they would score 255 points a game. Instead they score right around 100.
This means their offense running slightly under 40% of it’s maximum potential.
On the flip side, their defense gives us only around 100 a game, meaning it’s running at 60% of it’s potential.
Clearly defense wins games. If our defense ran at 40% efficiency like our offense, we’d lose every game.
by Zaig on Feb 23, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
k….
but still. ;p
our offense puts points on the board, you don’t get points for blocks, or steals.. .but you do if the ball goes through the hoop. sometimes 1,2 or even 3.
and aside from blocking/launching a shot from under your own hoop….I just don’t see D winning anything.
My main point was that offense comes first……in development, in attitude, in almost allllll aspects of the game…it’s an offensive orentated game. we don’t send one guy down on offense and leave 4 for D….. we send all 5 to score, and then they come back for defense…..
Offense first, then the D will follow …..
you don’t see guy’s patting the entire teams behind after ever block/steal…..but they do after they score :) …OFFENSE!!!
our offensive sets are not perfect…yet, but they’re getting closer to it….
Jerry Sloan has his teams offense pretty much perfected..they run his plays and they don’t look all herky jerky. and his/the D follows in most ways the offense of his/a team…..
us?..we’re herky jerky…..AND so is our D.
most if not ALL GREAT defenders could also put ball in basket with regularity. find me a ben wallace type team where no one can hit a shot, but they lock up whom ever they play against that’s won championships. can’t….cuz ya gotta be able to put ball in basket.
OFFENSE WINS GAMES.
dunno why I want to make this point but for some reason….I do…despite not adding nothing to dave’s brilliance, but a “silly” point of view. :)
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by faith on Feb 23, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in the games we won, our d was ok..and good enough…
in the games we lost….our D didn’t stink to high heavin…. the other teams offense was just better. :)
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by faith on Feb 23, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point...
But… I think the playoffs magnify defensive weaknesses. Apposing coaches have the time and resources to systematically exploit mismatches.
While it’s true that you can’t completely stop players like Lebron, Kobe, CP3, etc., guys like Tayshaun Prince can do a fine job on some top tier scores. Andre Iguodala averaged 13 points on 33% shooting during the playoffs against Detroit.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 23, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he was exhausted and overextended...
Philly won two of those games BTW…
Shav can boast “playoff experience” now from that little run….think he had 3-4 foul shots…whatever…you definitely need to play hard on both sides of the floor…
alot our guys went from being HS superstars to NBAers…never prob played any D against anybody talented…or at least very much of it…attitude and focus play a big role…as long as the effort and intensity stays high, we can’t complain too much…
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
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by LetsBlaze on Feb 23, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave, nice general analysis. I would like to see you, or others, discuss individual players and scheme
I think your comments are great and do an excellent job of putting “the problem” in a general context. But, I think what we need to understand is which of our players can be expected to improve with time, and which are likely to continue to have problems?
Some thoughts:
1) Seems to me that three of our bigs Oden, Pryz, and LMA all play pretty good one-on-one defense. They have issues with rotations. Oden is too often late coming to help and too often reaches to try to make blocks. He will get better.
2) In general, it seems to me that our problems mostly lie on the perimeter:
A) Our perimeter players have trouble staying in front of their guys, and are not consistent in funneling driving players in a direction that makes it realistic for our bigs to help without getting in foul trouble.
B) Our rotations are late, perimeter guys come to help and are consistently late getting back on their guys which leads to open J’s. Our 3 pt defense is atrocious, 28th in the league, I believe. Teams who normally struggle, consistently get “hot” against us. Seems to me this is because we give up too many uncontested J’s and allow guys to get in rhythm.
C) Picks, we give up mismatches, time after time, and other teams exploit us mercilessly. I guess the reason we consistently switch on picks is because it is “easy,” meaning it requires less less thinking, less communication, and less strength than trying to fight through the screen or recover by going below. If you look at our perimeter guys, Blake, Sergio, Rudy, and even Batum are all relatively slight, and weak, by NBA standards. I see this as a real problem. Take a look at the guns on Baron Davis, it doesn’t take a strength and conditioning coach to tell you that Blake and Sergio are going to have problems guarding a guy like that.
I continue to believe that a lot of our problems start at the “1”. Neither Blake or Sergio appear to have the combination of speed and strength necessary to put much on-ball pressure. Bayless appears to have better physical tools, but he needs to be on the floor to learn. Nate values experience, especially at the “1”, and seems committed to Sergio as the back-up. Given how quickly Bayless has improved over the past two months, I think this is a mistake. Even if there is a slight drop-off in offensive flow in the short run, I think Bayless has far more potential on defense.
In summary, I think Oden, LMA, and Batum all have the physical tools to be good defenders and will be good within a year or two (Pryz is already good, and I think Martell will be good as well). I have my doubts about Blake, Sergio, and Rudy. I would like to see Bayless get more time so that we can get a better feel for whether or not he is going to be a long-term answer at the point, or if we need to bring in a veteran at the “1”.
by upper left corner on Feb 23, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake is a solid defender
but is not a shut down type defender but he is solid. I recall Blake switching on a pick and roll on ealrier this season and left man-up on the opposing center. Blake stayed in front of him and made him take a high arcing jumper (which missed). That center thought he was going to get an easy two but Blake held his ground. Despite the mismatch a difficult shot was taken due to the defense.
I hope that Bayless learns his defense from Blake. Bayuless may have better phyiscal attributes that Blake lacks but Blake has a pretty good head on D. I think as Dave points out, you have to make the most of the tools you’ve got to be a good defender. For the current squad, the experienced guys don’t have the best phyiscal tools and the ones with the physical tools are just gaining some experience.
by NWfan on Feb 23, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the context of the article
it would be a matter of running down the characteristics and rating each player accordingly. However I didn’t do that because part of the point is that it’s nearly impossible to tell yet. In this defensive environment nobody’s going to show their full potential, just isolated glimpses of greatness or horror…often both.
In general your predictions match my own nearly exactly, but consider this: did Player X blow that assignment because he isn’t physically capable of defending or was it because he didn’t see the play, didn’t expect that move from the opponent, hasn’t had enough time on the court, needs another year of weightlifting, or because nobody called out the right information to him? Right now we don’t know. It’s probably a combination. That’s why I’m wary of saying that guys who don’t look like they’re good defenders now never will be. That’s also why it’s hard to rate guys defensively right now. Everybody’s going to look kind of bad.
I note the difference that a Buck Williams had on the Drexler teams or that Tyson Chandler had on the Hornets when he came. Sometimes one guy, rightly placed, can make the whole team look better. Of course those were more veteran teams as well. I’d love to see this lineup with a Scottie Pippen at small forward. You’d get a better notion after a season of his tutelage and nagging.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 23, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing James Jones
hurt in many ways; well beyond Jones capabilities as a one-on-one defender.
He was, last year, the Blazers “traffic cop” on D; this year nobody fills that role.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 23, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clues from Quick
There was one article that Jason wrote where he asked Nate about why Sergio wasn’t playing as much as before and McMillian rolled his eyes and said “defense”
This could be due to Rodriguez being skinny, but more likely due to his confusion with team defensive rotations. I’m surprised that Sergio is getting the nod behind Blake, since Bayless outplayed him while Blake was out, and Jerryd gained experience playing with the second unit (read: Rudy) during that time
Has Sergio improved his defense to Nate’s satisfaction, or does McMillian value Sergio’s ability to affect the team in other areas (change the tempo of the game, set up teammates, etc) more than he wants to utilize Bayless and avoid the mistakes the rookie will make during his learning curve?
It would be nice if someone asked Nate these questions and got a straight answer
by two4larue on Feb 23, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent points, well made.
I still remember the day I walked down to my corner Plaid Pantry to buy the O and saw the article about the Blazers trading for Buck. I remember thinking clearly, “that’s it, we have the missing piece of the puzzle and we are now going to challenge for the title.” It is a very distinct memory. I had the same feeling when we drafted Bayless this summer. I thought that is the guy who is going to put us over the top. Obviously, Buck was a proven vet and Bayless is an unproven rookie. I hope JB proves me right over the next few seasons.
Your point about sorting out trying to sort out physical abilities from psychological and experience issues, sounds about right to me. Sometimes I see a play were Player X appears to have blown the coverage and then when I slow it down and replay it, I can tell that Player Y is really the person who missed a switch or failed to rotate. It is very hard to assess individual capabilities when the entire team is so green. I appreciate your desire to avoid placing too much responsibility on individual players.
by upper left corner on Feb 23, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day
The Blazers are doing astonishingly well on offense considering their age. If their defense was even a few points better we would be competing for a championship rather than still being called a “young” team. We have no defensive leader. Oden will most likely not be that leader, even if he gets considerably better than he is now. You lead through intensity and content of character. There is no defensive leader on this team – no Buck Williams, no Bruce Bowen – nobody to make the other team groan on defense. We can certainly make them groan on offense.
by Sonic Boom on Feb 23, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
great analysis dave
just an excellent breakdown. I liked how you talked about the team in generalities and only mentioned specific players when you were praising them (Joel and Batum). I think that will result in a lot more productive discussion than mentioning specific players’ cons and having it turn into “Even Dave thinks X player sucks and needs to be traded!”
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 23, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
another factor that separates the good Defensive teams from the rest
Timing. Knowing when to put the clamps on tight is a major factor in what separates the elite defensive teams and the majority of the NBA. The game is no less then 48 minutes long, and there’s no way a team can devote themselves to locking down an opponent the entire game. Sure guys like Bruce Bowen come to mind. Guys whose particular forte is pasting themselves tight to their man and harassing them up and down the court. Batum is used primarily on the Blazers for his defensive skills. He’s got a long way to go before he gets mentioned in the same breath as Bowen, though. I think Portlands biggest problem is their reluctance to focus more on being strong defenders. Even when they need to step it up and tighten down on guys, they don’t, and frequently allow the other teams to take the shot they want with no real resistance. Late in games, teams aren’t exactly attacking the rim against Oden or Joel, but they do get aplenty of wide open looks from outside, and it seems Portland has a hard time remembering the Dirks and Barons can hit those shots. I’d like to see The Trail Blazers learn to make those stops.
On another note, Dave mentioned absolutely nothing about the Trail Blazers woeful Free Throw defense, which I can only assume still is the worst in the league. C’mon Dave, I want answers.
"Travis is so cool in the clutch that the ice-water running through his veins has stopped global warming in its tracks."-- jscot
by bow4meow on Feb 23, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see
Dwight “You Need a System” Jaynes defend against this savvy analysis.
by RunBLG on Feb 23, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We had this
It was the voice on Defense of Jarret “Step-on-the-baseline” Jack.
Has anyone here seen any player on any level step out of bounds as consistently as Jack?
Then again he was a student of the film room, and he’d call out the oppositions plays if he recognized them. I think he just lacked the pure quickness to truly defend on the NBA level.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 23, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What we need is a Shane Battie
But in the offseason. A nice cheap mid-range exception Free Agent vet Small Forward.
Anyone know a good site that has a list of the NBA’s expiring contracts?
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by haildablazer on Feb 23, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bookmark this
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/21/766790/a-quick-rundown-of-09-poss
major props to HurraKane212
by two4larue on Feb 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great read
I do think that Greg was drafted top due to the idea of big man defense being more important to a franchise than anything Durant would do. I think that raises us to 2.5.
And I think that Bayless has clearly realized that his ability to earn playing time involves injuries, defense, and driving/attacking the rim (in those order), so I think you have to consider him a .5 as well.
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
by idoltime on Feb 23, 2009 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
great post...
I think it’s quite amazing that we’re in the top 20 in defense eff. considering we have the youngest rotation in the league. It’s better than I expected.
I want more from the defense, but I’m not that unhappy considering the lack of experience our players have.
by roner77 on Feb 23, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Dave
A+
This would qualify as a pretty substantial college term paper, and you made it a blog entry. You should be getting paid for this. I’ve been watching NBA hoops for almost 30 years now, and I learn stuff reading your posts. I can’t say that about most people anyone writing beat coverage for the NBA.
Someone needs to snatch this talent up now and get you under contract before the deadline.
by sagcat on Feb 23, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
playoff experience
There are actually 4 Blazers who have played in the playoffs: Blake, Przybilla, Randolph, and Ruffin.
by trk on Feb 23, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
oops, I missed one
RLEC has playoff experience as well. Does he still count as a player?
by trk on Feb 23, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, where does rebounding fit in? Offense or Defense?
I didn’t really see this mentioned in the article at all. I suppose the easy answer is, “Offensive rebounding is offense, and defending rebounds are defense.” Then we can use that to support Dave’s thesis because the Blazers are better offensive rebounders than defensive ones, right?
Except that I think that rebounding on either end of the court uses the defensive set of skills more than the offensive ones. At least it seems that way to me. Did the Suns rebound well offensively in their heydey? I’d like to know.
Personally, my read on the team is that their terrific overall rebounding relative to their overall defensive weakness is because rebounding isn’t something that requires communication or familiarity (with anything other than how balls bounce). So it’s a defensive skill, but one that doesn’t require veteran exposure. You’re young, you rotate like a drunk monkey, but you WANT to defend, so you rebound. Right? Wrong?
by conspirator5 on Feb 23, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Both
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 23, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...and neither.
Rebounding in hoops is like “special teams” in football—although the latter aggregates several fundamentally different types of play (field goals, punt, kickoffs—normal and onside)—all of which have in common the potential for change in possession.
The two skills are different—generally defenders have inside position (and thus the advantage) on any given shot attempt; which is why most rebounds are grabbed by the defense. There’s a reason boxing out is primarily a skill on the defensive board. Another appropriate football compare here would be between the O-line and the D-line—defensive rebounding and boxing out is like the skills an offensive lineman must have when trying to contain a pass rush; whereas crashing the offensive boards is like rushing the passer.
But being a good defender and a good rebounder are two different things. Zach Randolph is exhibit A of this.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 23, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dave great analysis.
I think I agree that perhaps the team is not astoundingly bad as some of us, especially me, seem to perceive. I still think our defense sucks but this gives me hope! :)
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 23, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
some thoughts
A missing category, not sure where to put it. It’s related to cohesiveness and communication, but it’s primarily planned and coordinated, not quite as reactionary as described above.
I agree, the quality of a team’s defense is based primarily on the “weakest-link” principle, where opponents will attack whatever aspect of a defense is least effect. Usually this is a specific aspect of an individual players defense. It could be that PG cannot stop dribble penetration or a big that cannot defend the post-up. It may also include aspect of team defense, such as pick and roll D . If a team needs to help a particular defender to prevent him from getting dominated, most teams can take advantage of that help. That is, it’s pretty hard to reinforce the weakest link.
However, I suppose I am surprised how little the Blazers attempt to mask or hide their defensive weaknesses. For example, Greg and Pryzbilla are clearly to slow to both help and recover on pick and rolls and yet, the other Blazers rarely seem to rotate to help cover for Pryzbilla and Oden when they are slow in recovering from screens. Similarly, when Outlaw, Batum, Rudy, or Roy has to handle a big powerful wing, the Blazers rarely double early. Perhaps McMillan is afraid of the “Moral Hazard” of bailing out bad defense; perhaps he doesn’t want to let bad D go unpunished, but the short term result is a little unsettling.
I suppose I believe that the quality of a defense depends on something I’d call conceptual cohesion or strategic integration or scheme. In other words, coaching matters. And it matters more than just in how it helps players communicate, become familiar, anticipate, commit, or get the ability to impede. Defense team concepts matter and different concepts work best for different type of players. A great freshmen basketball defensive scheme is different than a great college basketball scheme. A good scheme takes advantage of other teams weaknesses and hides one’s one. Full-court presses and traps can work well at the freshmen level because players lake the vision and skill to take advantage of traps. Man-denial defense often works at the Varsity and Collegiate level (see Duke), but not in the NBA.
Anyhow, great breakdown.
by PoliSam on Feb 23, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Defensively, PTL is very similar to NOH
in many regards. However, NOH is a top 10 team in defensive rating. If you compare their performance in categories like Pace, TOV, and DRB, they’re pretty similar. With regard to the former, NOH plays at a slightly faster clip(87.8 vs. 86.8). In regard to the latter two categories, the ratios are identical.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html
Defensively, NOH is slightly better with regard to eFG%(.499 vs. .504) and FT/FGA. the FT/FGA category(.231 vs. .245).
Take a look at the teams that lead the league, defensively, in the FT/FGA category. For the most part, they’ve got an experienced shotblocker that can control the paint while consistently avoiding foul trouble. The Blazers are well-prepared to grind out games, San Antonio-style, already. I believe getting to that level of defense is only going to happen if and when Oden/Aldridge acquire experience.
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by ignign*kt on Feb 23, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if this was inspired by the 'no stat's all star' article
But on par with it’s quality, this is. Rec’d (main page recs are special :-)
by appel82 on Feb 23, 2009 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nice
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Mar 2, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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