Hollinger calls it
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 2:41 PM PST
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Some good, non-alarmist reaction from John Hollinger re: KP's standing pat on the trade deadline. The finer points:
Melvin (Pittsburgh, PA) [via mobile]: Why do you think Portland didn't make an effort to get Richard Jefferson? He would have definetly been a good compliment at the 3. 
John Hollinger: I don't think he's much better than Outlaw at this point in their careers, so why pay four times as much money and kill your future cap flexibility? I suspect Portland only wanted to do that deal if they could steal Sessions in return for taking Jefferson.
Me: Exactly.
Rob (portland): Early grumblings out in Portland is that KP has lost his "golden boy" image today, amongst the fan base. Not a good day for Portland and their fans. Do you agree? Letting Raef walk for nothing is not what the fans wanted. People are mad. John Hollinger: I think the Blazers might have oversold expectations as far as what the LaFrentz contract could reap, but that's about all they're guilty of. They wanted either a difference maker on the wing or at the point, and the deals weren't there to be done once Washington and Charlotte wouldn't play ball. So I commend them for not forcing it.
Me: Early "grumblngs" are that Rob is an idiot. Raef isn't walking for nothing.
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Oh Snap
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
so, i've always wondered
what exactly is snapping?
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 19, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I learnt it from Dave Chappelle
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you seen the flow chart?
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's swell
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol swell
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol lol
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Feb 19, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol @ stuff FTW...Book it!!
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol at you guys loling
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 20, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Snapping is the same as ripping on someone or with your friends.
Ya know, like talkin mess. Dave Chappelle taught me too.
by EazyRider on Feb 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BOOOO!!!!
Bad bad bad….people giving credit for the “O, Snap!” where it is not due.
The original phrase was coined by Ben Stiller’s character Derek Zoolander, and is an exclamation after someone is “burned” by a quick retort or witty saying.
Rooo-D!
by truls on Feb 19, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you didnt use your sarcasm font!!
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 19, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it.
Sanity from the national media. Who’d a thunkit?
Patience is underrated. Fan opinons are overrated. So, yes, that means that I too am overrated.
by T Darkstar on Feb 19, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I would have been pissed if we traded Sergio , Outlaw and RLEC for Jefferson and Ridnour .
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 19, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be pissed
Even though Ridnour sucks, but yeah… it’s just not a NECESSARY trade, when we can MAYBE do better in the summer.
If RLEC didn’t give us cap space, and was an expiring deal for a team already over the cap, this would be a lost oppurtunity (and that is something I think most are forgetting).
I simply can’t get excited over Jefferson. Wallace, yeah, but not Jeffy Pop.
mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 19, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don;t know if I'd be pissed
but I think there’s a notion out there that RJeff is somehow a serious upgrade over Outlaw. Simply put, I don’t think he is. So you bring in a guy who, at best, is marginally better than your backup sf/pf, a point guard in Luke Ridnour who isn’t better than Blake, and you send out $12+ million in salary cap relief? That’s a miserable trade for the PTB.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is not a time for common sense
This is the time for panic, pointing fingers, and name calling. Sheesh, I though you were an experienced blogger.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Grumblings, too, I think.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 19, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
arthritis from jumping on and off the bandwagon with every rumor.
by torsoheap on Feb 20, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that Jefferson trade certainly sounds...
far, far worse than the ones being discussed most frequently. Sure, trading Outlaw, Sergio, and RLEC for Jefferson and Ridnour is a bad trade, but it sounded like much better deals were available. It seemed like the Blazers had a chance to keep Outlaw AND upgrade the SF position with Wallace or Carter. If that were the case, Batum is gets shipped or sits on the bench. The difference between Wallace or Carter and Batum is enormous.
by PoliSam on Feb 19, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet that is often the case with these hyped up trade proposals
I bet it was true of the Devin Harris situation last year.
I’m old enough to remember when the Blazers, supposedly, almost got Charles Barkley back in the early 90’s run, before the Suns got him. As it turns out, I think Philadelphia wanted “everybody in your starting lineup not named Clyde Drexler.”
by chnews on Feb 19, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They offered something like Outlaw, Sergio and RLEC for Wallace.
The Bobcats wanted more. Probably Bayless or Rudy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 19, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
then I’m glad we didn’t do it.
by SuperMilk on Feb 19, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The primary difference being that Batum will be great in five years, and VC and Wallace will be retired or useless
Patience……
by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you shit out Outlaw.
Batum still gets his 16-20, and as VC/Wallace get older, Batum’s minutes go up. Oh well.
by Zaig on Feb 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm...
I think there’s a notion out there that RJeff is somehow a serious upgrade over Outlaw.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more people overrate Jefferson
He’s 28 years old. When it matters, in three years, is Jefferson, then 31, really going to all that much better than what else we could get? Answer is no.
by as11osu on Feb 19, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey's last comment was a true gem.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 19, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a REC-storm up in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.
by Portland89 on Feb 19, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The difference between RJ and Travis is not huge, though he wouldn't have been a bad option for the next two years
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=yJSao
I hope KP can do better between the off-season and the next deadline. Maybe he can if the economic situation for some clubs goes really in the crapper with many season tickets and sponsorship deals not getting extended.
Right now the only thing I’m sure is that they prevented Salmons from going to a western conference competitor and got a traded player exception out of it, which is a good thing. Not yet sure that standing pat was the right thing to do, or just being risk averse.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woops, this was their career. Here is the current season (per 36 minutes is maybe the most interesting since Jefferson plays a lot more)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=9O4E6
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I didn't realize they were that close.
How is RJeff’s defense?
What about his shot selection?
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both better yet nothing ecstatic
And the main argument was probably that Travis has the nicer contract by far.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if RJ's shot selection is tremendous
But I’m sure it looks pretty good compared to Travis’.
by Ghostface_Przybilla on Feb 19, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob might have misspoken about
“letting Raef walk for nothing,” but he nailed it when he referred to “Early grumblings out in Portland is that KP has lost his "golden boy” image today, amongst the fan base."
by MiledAnimal on Feb 19, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it...
There’s a few folks here grumbling about cancelling season tix…
but like the ranting that occurs after losing to the Thunder, folks will all feel better in the morning.
If season tix get cancelled, it’s because the price went up, not because KP didn’t pull a rabbit out of a hat and bring Vince Dang Jefferson to town.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deng it
I always get those confused.
But what do I know—he went to Dook and I didn’t.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is in desperate need of Prozac right about now....
The moniroty, that is.
by antediluvian on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe among the children.
But rational adults still go for KP about 9 – 1.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 19, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind a full cooler right now.
Of root beer of course.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 20, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're going to do it tomorrow
Thought it would be better to recap any events from the trade deadline, rather than recording what would be an almost instantly dated podcast.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, ok
This is good. It gives Gavin a little time to get off the edge of the cliff and calm down.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What did it say?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it.
I thought Casey and Lance were the same person.
by CatMan2 on Feb 19, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoo! Casey with the beatdown
I’d hate to be Rob (portland) right about now.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When does the first draft thread go up?
by raoulduke on Feb 19, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hansboro
KP knows whats up. Prefect back up 4.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been sucked in
NO HANSBORO
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 19, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's a delicate thing. We want people to blow off their final exams to read it, but
if we reach frenzy too soon, then the collapse of hope isn’t as dramatic.
by raoulduke on Feb 19, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Greg's injury isn't serious
If it was, we probably would have made a deal.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Unless they were trying to deal Greg. That means we missed the only chance we were
ever going to have for Dwight Howard! KP let us down again!
by raoulduke on Feb 19, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that if we could trade oden for howard
we would have taken howard in a second
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 19, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This season has two parts...
BBT — Before Black Thursday… 33-20; 4th Place in the West.
ABT — After Black Thursday….. cry for your mama and pray to your favorite deity, it’s Sergio and Travis and Channing Frye down the stretch…
MASSIVE opportunity lost to pick up the pieces mission (Miller & Salmons, for those of you keeping score at home).
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha,.......pieces MISSING..............
I need to vent at fewer Expletives Per Minute…. Currently dishing at 110, give or take…
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha! Disco sucks!!!
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller and Salmons
are not the answer.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have, instead, Nic Batum playing 15 minutes and Travis flinging -- and Channing Frye.
THAT is not the answer.
NOTHING is what you do if you don’t really care about making the playoffs this year (like they didn’t care last year) and want to save money.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are if you are on drugs or if someone just kicked your dog and ...
… pissed in your Wheaties.
BUt then timbo is an acknowledged Laker fan. He probably wants to see Portland get good enough to last in the playoffs just long enough to get whupped by LA.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 19, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a Laker / Blazer matchup...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a tape of this season's opener.
Are you sure you wanted to see it, it wasn’t a very enjoyable game to watch.
by Sungari on Feb 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
We would be guaranteed some home victories.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS is the answer
also – Allen Iverson.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 19, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer this
So Adam ate the damn apple (or whatever fruit that was) and all human are born with sin? So if I kill somebody and my children will have to go to jail? And why doesn’t Jesus show up for all the Sunday meetings, too busy doing what?
by Sungari on Feb 19, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
first off, it was a joke..
but…
So I slept with some guy who had AIDS and now my baby’s born with it? What’s up with that? So my dad was Richard Nixon, and now I can’t go into politics? What’s up with that?
And maybe Jesus just likes to sleep in on Sunday mornings. I know I do.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 20, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sure they are
you’re just asking the wrong question. Try something like, “Who are two marginal starters on a terrible team?”
by abdelnaby on Feb 20, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
It sure sucks that we don’t have anyone in front of two of them who play significant minutes. And that we didn’t have them around when we went 33-20.
Sure, some of the KP love is overboard. But your reaction alone seems to be equalling theirs. Vallium man. Vallium. We don’t need you having a coronary.
Patience is underrated. Fan opinons are overrated. So, yes, that means that I too am overrated.
by T Darkstar on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't get it. STRETCH DRIVE. PLAYOFFS.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
troll
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 19, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BBT and ABT are the same team, right?
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 19, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying it
I think there was a chance to do a good deal (though the Jefferson move probobly wasn’t it). My sense is that Casey would have posted the most favorable media reaction to the Blazers regardless of what was done. Not that there’s anything wrong with this; Casey is, after all, a team employee.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you calling Casey a shill?
I think there’s gonna be a knife fight on B.E.
< kidding >
by DonkeyShins on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
but on what are you basing the opinion that there was a chance to do a “good deal.?” Chad Ford? Marc Stein? Those are the same guys who said KP would 100% do a deal up until this morning. It might be worth pointing out that guys like that are in the business of drumming up interested at the trade deadline. Just because teams had discussions doesn’t mean anything near a “good deal” was actually on the table.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
when I hear about the economy and how inclined people were to cut costs
I have difficulty believing Portland couldn’t have added an impact player without giving up one our 8 best on court assets (considering potential as well as current ability) which in my book are #s 7, 52, 4, 5, 12, 10, 88 and 8.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the takeaway
is that teams weren’t as motivated to cut costs as some would lead us to believe. Suns supposedly desperately want to cut payroll. Didn’t make a move. Bucks are supposedly strapped for cash. Didn’t make a move. Nets, Grizzlies, same thing. Only teams that came close to proving the “OMG NBA teams are broke trade for their best players super cheap!” notion are the Kings, who are terrible anyway, and the Hornets. And even with the Hornets you could make the argument that they moved (or tried to move) Chandler because he can’t stay healthy AND they want to save the cash. After all, they didn’t move Peja or West or Paul.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey, you aren't gonna make any friends here
being all rational and stuff. THE SKY IS FALLING CASEY! THE. SKY. IS. FALLING. and none of you so-called ‘facts’ or ‘rational’ explanations can change that we are DOOMED!
"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."
by sergioFTW on Feb 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He made me his friend
Everyone is looking for marginal upgrades in trades. That is the kind of business that makes sure our players remember they are just doing a job rather than being a real part of the Blazer legacy.
Of course, I’ve been leery about all proposed trades the entire time.
Trades are important and can do great things, but Wallace, Jefferson, Carter, Hinrich, Salmons, etc. are not clearly better than what we’ve got. Would I like Wallace on our team? Yeah, but I’d also like Outlaw on our team too. Also, the difference between Wallace and Outlaw in Reb/Def. will not get us a championship.
Once you start talking about people like Bosh and Butler, then I can see the point in all of this whining. But they weren’t even an option.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 20, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We were still in possession of the best asset on the market and we didn't use it
I believe we were in position to move into the top 2-3 in the West without mortgaging the future. I believe we made a mistake in not doing so.
Now this team is in a dogfight to get in the playoffs.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's really the right way to look at it
The Raef contract IS being used; it’s just being used by the Trail Blazers. Besides the $5+ million that comes back in terms of cold hard cash via insurance payments, that cap money is usable this summer. Could be free agency, could be sign and trade (I think at least).
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still haven't had it explained to me...
… how ~7 million in cap space will be more useful this summer than a 12+ million expiring contract. Not seeing it, myself.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's weighing costs
yes, in absolute dollars a +12million expiring contract is worth more, but someone has to offer something is worth taking back. You’re acting like the Blazers have the ability to force teams to make a trade just because they’ve got 12million expiring. It’s not like It’s a one and done salary swap: you’re on the hook for the remainder of that contract.
It seems like you’re arguing this 12million in expiring contracts exists in a vacuum. Raef’s contract is only worth something if you’re getting back better than your giving.
At least with the cap space, you’re in charge. You offer a guy 7 mill a year, he takes it or he doesn’t.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, many thanks for taking the time to discuss this with me
You are right that it depends on what Portland could have gotten for the contract. I don’t have inside info on what was on the table, but various media reports have led me to believe that what I consider to be good deals were on the table.
If Pritchard improves this team significantly in the summer, I’ll admit to some pretty wild overreaction, but I worry that this won’t happen and that even if it does it will come at the expense of getting playoff experience this year.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is the bottom line -- it's $5M that PA got to put back in his wallet...
But Mr. Snake is right about RLEC being the best asset out there for the cost conscious, and Casey is wrong about there not being deals available. See: Salmons & Miller.
We KNOW there was a deal out there for them. We KNOW what they went for.
The Blazers couldn’t top THAT?!?!?!
The cost of this failure will be more clear after two weeks of Channing Frye.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Salmons and Miller would be GREAT additions
I have to start reminding myself to skip over your posts.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
This one forced me
to actually respond in this thread, something I wasn’t going to do.
Rec……….
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
by jscot on Feb 20, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The cost of this failure will be more clear after two weeks of Channing Frye.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 20, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to risk missing the playoffs this year if it increases my risk of getting past the first round the next
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 20, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know what the Kings wanted from us
You don;t and I don’t. We do know that Brad Miller has a legendarily bad attitude. We do know that we would be bringing in a player with a recent failed drug test (just for old times’ sake?). We do know that we would be bringing in another shooting guard to…to…play behind Roy and take Rudy’s minutes?
And of the other 8 contenders in the West, who helped themselves? Paper thin SA? New Orleans? Houston?
No one seems to value the fact that the Blazers are a team and have working with each other the whole year. I felt they would be a 46 win team coming into the season and still do. I hope that gets them to the playoffs but won’t be devastated if they dont
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 19, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost everybody asked for Rudy and Batum, maybe Bayless too.
Rudy and Batum were the first names KP mentioned when he said he didn´t want to give up players, followed by Brandon, LMA, etc, who we know weren´t traded in any case, so KP said those last names because he didn´t want to make it too much clear who had been in the discussion.
These guys are very young, have a great future, can play starter minutes and have cheap contracts. And other teams expect us to give them one of these guys if they give us a good SF or PG, and by good I mean really better than Outlaw or Blake.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Feb 19, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
both Blake and Batum are way underrated by the masses. Batum is a coveted player and is just showing the tip of his potential. As for Blake, the Blazers have sorely missed him the last month and have been getting by with pure talent and will rather than execution. Just look at the turnover margin with Blake out. It’s been a nightmare. We are fine.
by Zwahlly on Feb 19, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jk... name the trade you wanted...
I’ll give you next years equivalent of it.
by as11osu on Feb 19, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have pulled the trigger on
Gerald Wallace and Nazr Mohammed for Raef Lafrentz and Travis Outlaw.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a perfect example
I LOVE Gerald Wallace. In a perfect world, I think he would be great for this team. But even so, I still would be very reluctant to make that trade for two reasons:
1) Gerald Wallace gets paid a ton, and has had 4 concussions, not to mention other aliments of varying degrees of significance.
2) Nazr makes more than 6+ million for the next 2 years. Roy and Aldridge are up for new contracts the last year of Nazr’s contract. So at that point, you’re talking about going into luxury tax territory for the purpose of signing Wallace, who has a history of injury.
That’s a pretty big crap shoot.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a risk I would have been willing to take
We’re going into the luxery tax anyway. This team needs a defender and an energy guy. We’re already banking a lot harder on another injury prone guy (or two if you count Roy).
Sometimes you have to take a risk. I believe that would have been a good risk to take, possibly a great one.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not taking the move was a gamble, too
It all depends what’s on the table this summer. If, as Dave suggested, somebody like Deng is available for a price we’re wiling to pay, and that deal is facilitated by $7 mil in cap room, then not picking up Wallace was probably the right play. Deng brings a lot of the same skills without the injury history.
If, this summer, there are no trades to be made and the Blazers are stuck signing a FA for $7 mil, then it would seem that the Wallace trade may have been a missed opportunity.
By most accounts I’ve heard, though, Outlaw + Raef wasn’t getting it done. They wanted Nic in the mix. Would you have pulled the trigger on that?
I probably would have. But, as much time as I’ve spent being distracted by all this, we all have to recognize that KP, TP and co. spend all day every day breaking down every possible scenario. They know a thousand things we don’t.
For instance, they know if Chicago might look to move Deng/Hinrich this summer on the cheap.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 20, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The two most attractive expiring contracts, Raef and Szczerbiak, didn't move. That is a sign that the market wasn't amazing
Yet I can’t really understand the rationale of “better offers in the summer” either. Now e.g. Canzano points to Outlaw as our trade bait:
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2009/02/as_blazers_stand_pat_outlaw_ne.html
What player not available right now exactly are we going to get for Travis and pieces and 6 million in cap space, when the owner could have paid much less already now by taking on the same player and Raef’s “super expiring contract”? Wallace again? Deng? Granger? Josh Howard? I have a hard time seeing that at the moment.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but in order to take advantage of Szerbiak's contract
you need to have him on your team.
“Coach, do you have another disposable razor?”
Naaaaw – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
by 22baylor on Feb 19, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the expectation is that the economy is going to get worse
and that the cap will be reduced significantly.
I think the Szczerbiak stalemate is more remarkable. If media reports were to be believed, the Cavs were determined to upgrade. If media reports were to be believed
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 19, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
do you have a sense of how likely Greg is to miss just 2 more games and how likely it is he’ll be out longer?
Thanks for taking the time to discuss.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
If nothing else, we’ll know he’s going to miss at least 3 games on top of the next two if he doesn’t make the trip.
by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are wasting your time Casey.
These guys don’t want to be distracted from their belief that the grass is truly greener on the other side of the mountain. If the passing Snakeoil salesmen say it is so, then it has to be, right.
These guys post all the time on BE. Follow every thread. They know better than anyone what was out there and exactly which moves needed to get done to make Portland better. Had they been in KP’s seat, they would have gotten one of these deals done and we’d all be watching happily as the Blazer’s waltzed through the playoffs, while we sing hosannas to the junior GM’s at BE who saved the day (or would have, if given the chance).
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 19, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 19, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To put it another way...
this forum is filled with Bob Whitsitt’s.
Be thankful we don’t have one running the show any more…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Save for future reference during the playoffs!
Glad you’re happy with the team as it stands.
I know #9 when I see it.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say I was happy with the team as it stands
Certainly, things need improving.
But if the deals on the table weren’t improvement, or would have backed the team into a Whitsittesque corner, then I’m glad they didn’t happen.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember earlier this year when it was about 15 = 16?
This year, from an organizational standpoint has never been about mass success in the playoffs, and at best any trade we would have gotten us from being out in the first round to the second.
Taking back a Nzar to get Wallace , taking on a Vince or an RJef are moves that you would make if you really believed you had a shot, or that this was going to be your best shot.
Salmons isn’t even a true 3. Sure he could be one in our system offensively, but that is hardly where we need improvement.
/calm bro
by himynameisjoey on Feb 19, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
but that was also when we thought we were gonna sneak into the playoffs with a 7th or 8th seed.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 19, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So by that reasoning ....
…. we should have definitely not made a deal.
If Portland is performing ahead of expectations (just as they did last year), then that is an indication the team is better than we realize and being so, it becomes foolish to mess with it too much.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 20, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're too nice.
People are still trying to blame someone other than themselves for getting sucked into the trade frenzy. The spirit of Bob lives!
Face it. It’s just like that time you bought Hammer pants.
It was a bad idea to begin with.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
will you recant
your hyperbolic ramblings when the blazers make the playoffs? or a la Canzano, will they be whisked away into cyberspace, never to be seen or mentioned again?
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 20, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were KP
I would have traded RLEC for Wally straight up. That way I can add another guy who was born in Spain to my roster.
by tingeyga on Feb 19, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief!
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did a #25 too but it just made a blank spot
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't me!!!!!!!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 19, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what made it even more amusing to me.
It shows that your catchphrase is gaining steam.
by AK1984 on Feb 19, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A little known fact lost in the history of time: I invented the term Bedge.
One of my proudest moments. ;-)
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 19, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I invented using your chin to put a pillow in a pillowcase.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you never worked in a hospital. Nasty!
You probably have terminal cooties now.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 19, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh! Yesterday and today we added
Bridled Titmouse, Plain Titmouse and Ladderback Woodpeckers to the list. The woodpecker spent 2 hours looking at himself in the rearview mirror of our pickup. He would peck the mirror, bob his head back and forth 5 or 10 times and then start the ritual all over again. It was absolutely hilarious, although he did a good job of “decorating” the passenger side door. Fun!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 19, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
Love the story about the woodpecker doing his narcissus thang. Breeding season is getting goin’ for a lot of species, so the birds are acting a little wacky. You still near Prescott?
by Corvid on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're using Prescott as a base of operations. We
went north 60 miles a few days ago and got trapped in Williams for a couple of days due to an unexpected blizzard. We’re going south tomorrow and will spend a week or two poking around some of the state parks and Kitt Peak Observatory, Organ Pipe National Monument and the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum near Tucson that has a hummingbird aviary as well as other indigenous wildlife exhibits in natural settings.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 19, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you like Birds, you should visit the Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge in central New Mexico if you haven't already done so
“Cranes in the Fire Mist” photo to get an idea (when everything is right, but nice all the time). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosque_del_Apache
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 20, 2009 3:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus its pretty there
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 20, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude....
Why do you come on here to ridicule people who dare to question a move that Nate or KP makes. All of your posts today have been childish attacks on fellow BE posters because they don’t see eye to eye with the Blazers brass. That doesn’t mean they the think they are smarter than KP, it doesn’t mean they think they deserve KP’s job, it just means they see the situation differently and come to this blog because they can express their opinion. I think the real question is, who pissed in your cheerios this morning?
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Feb 19, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because obviously someone pissed in yours
People are welcome to dispute what KP did. People are also welcome to agree with what they did. The more resistance there is to someone’s beliefs, the more chances they have to work through their argument.
FYI, one time, at senior week, I put beer in my cornflakes when I was hung over. Never, ever do that.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
by einman77 on Feb 19, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not much of a cereal eater any more and I never ate Cheerios.
And it is not people “questioning” Pritchard or McMillan. It is whining and wailing about how messed up KP and Nate are or how dissappointed the poster is because these guys screwed up a “great opportunity” or showing us just how knowledgeable they are with their ideas on what needs to be done to improve the team.
They don’t present their points as opinion, but as certain fact. And it is not the occassional post, but a repeated refrain from the same folks. Want a fact – some people invite ridicule upon themselves. When a poster makes the statement that Pritchard doesn’t have the “guts” to make a big trade, that’s a very good sign of someone that a) is looking for ridicule, b) doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground or c) all of the above.
It is one thing to come to debate whether trading for Amare is a good move or not. It is quite another to denigrade KP because he failed to pull the trigger on an Amare deal. The latter assumes that the post knows for sure that the Suns were serious about trading him, knows all of the specifics of the proposed deal and is intimately familiar with the Blazers long term and short term plans.
I come here to see knowledgeable discussion and understanding of things Blazer and basketball and to share my love and enthusiasm for the Trailblazers. I can take only so much blather from people who seem to prefer finding fault all the time and who apparently don’t realize they know less than half as much about the subject than they think they do.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 20, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a fact: RLEC was a "great opportunity"
KP wouldn’t disagree with that. He’s said it publicly many times. A ton of potential deals have been reported in the media. Many of these deals have involved all-stars coming into Portland, with RLEC plus young, unproven players (at best) going out.
It can’t really be argued that RLEC was a great opportunity.
What can be argued is whether there will be a greater opportunity this summer. Perhaps the markets, the luxury tax, etc will allow KP and company to work some cap space into a better deal. Perhaps the Blazers legal team will prevail in the Miles appeal and all that cap space will be freed up after all.
If either of those things happen, then the Blazers made the correct call on a calculated gamble.
But there’s nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade – the Blazers certainly did gamble by not dealing RLEC. It’s a potentially depreciating (not yet worthless, but less valuable) asset.
Did the brass have much, much more information than we (the fans) do, to inform their decision to make this gamble? Absolutely. Does that prevent us from arguing it was probably a mistake? Absolutely not.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 20, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know but
good players have moved around this league through all kinds of economic conditions. The only reason for not improving the team has got to be connected to the purse strings and an unwillingess to spend. All this talk about PA’s money and how he will spend any amount to improve the team has always been on the ignorant side. I think the team is definitely accumulating cash. Question: Is it cash for profit as in rising ticket prices; or is it cash for a player as in getting a trade exception.?
by oregonslee on Feb 19, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As John Hollinger rightly pointed out
people need to remember that Paul Allen likes to save money too.
by chnews on Feb 19, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rec 23
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
by 22baylor on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I swear
I am NOT that Rob. Even if I hate that Travis is on this team.
by robrun2 on Feb 19, 2009 4:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
I have caught up on this thread and my time to peruse is runnin’ out!
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what's funny
is that the second I saw this, I wondered if it was you.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Outlaw, Webster, Batum
I have said all along that we are fine with these guys. They are all still developing. Batum is going to be a very good player in this league and Trout is showing that he is clutch in the 4th. Webster is the best all around player of the three and when he comes back, they fill that SF void, even if it is next year. I think people are short-selling our assets. We have had plenty of opportunities to make moves and give up the strong young talent for experienced vets, but it just doesn’t make sense. I think not forcing something to happen today was the best move of all and I’m happy to see us moving in the right direction.
by Zwahlly on Feb 19, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah pretty much
Is it safe to show one’s head here again? is the utter ridiculousness of earlier today over?
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 19, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The utter ridiculousness is never over
it just goes into remission for a while.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
long enough, lets start talking draft...
by DucRider on Feb 19, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1 first round pick and 4 second round picks, probably around 20-24 in the first, and 34, 40, 54, 55 in the second. Have fun.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No remission. The first thing up was how they were going to trade
Outlaw, Frye, Sergio, Shav, Webster, Rudy, Bayless, Batum and a trade exception for Kirk Hinrich et al.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 20, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey
I’m conflicted about not making a deal. I understand that letting the young guys develop is a more prudent move, as opposed to going after a title this year.
Why then, if we are giving Batum, Oden, and Rudy significant minutes to develop, do we let Bayless sit on the bench?
It seems black and white. We should either be going full throttle toward winning now or spending our time developing the young talent. I don’t understand Bayless sitting while Batum, Oden, and Rudy play through mistakes.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They still want to win and Sergio knows Nate's system better than Bayless
Sergio earned his playing time and Bayless is developing in practice.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't that logic being applied to Greg and Joel?
There is nothing like developing in actual game time. If you give Bayless 29 games of film to watch over the summer, he’ll be able to improve much more.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has to do with Rookie dispersion
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also has to do with the number of minutes available.
We’ve got three credible point guards in Blake, Sergio, and Bayless—there aren’t enough minutes to go around. So the rookie sits.
At SG—it’s mainly Roy and Rudy. There, the rookie gets PT.
At SF—same thing. With Webster out, it’s either Batum or Trout.
At C—same thing. You want Frye playing minutes there? It’s Joel or Oden.
Bayless plays a position where he’s 3rd on the depth chart; the other rooks are #2 or #1 at their positions.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel is not a whiny baby like Sergio
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio still has a ton of room for improvement
Just look at this year.
When Sergio is on, nobody in the NBA can pass better.
We may also be trying to expose sergio to more teams to gain more interest.
Imagine what D’Antoni could do with serg- he would be the second coming of steve nash
¡AYUDA A RUDY A MATAR!
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 19, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody in the NBA can pass better?
I know Sergio’s a good passer, but that’s hyperbole.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Jose Calderon, etc.
there are a lot of really good passers in the NBA.
by Cablinasian on Feb 19, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio is #10 in th NBA in assist rate
He’s an elite passer. The rest of his game is not elite.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
elite passer, effete defender
fair summation?
In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin uses the phrase "survival of the fittest" only twice. He uses the word "love," by contrast, over ninety times. Darwin never wrote about "selfish genes." For Darwin, the main force behind human evolution is survival of the most compassionate, not survival of the fittest. Human evolution is driven by moral sensitivity, or love.
by Love on Feb 20, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
was Rob in Portland Rob Neyer?
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Feb 20, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lets hope not
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 20, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob is short for Robert
Which is the real name for the nickname Bob
Rob = Robert “Bob” Whitsitt.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 20, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rob in portland got banned from Thorpes chat today for these two gems.
Rob (Portland, OR): If a coach is so important – why are you so down on Nate in Portland getting the kids to be on pace for 50?
David Thorpe: I’m not!!
(thorpe is a HUGE nate guy)
Rob Portland: Thorpe why didnt my blazers give up Rudy Fernandez (or Sergio or Steve Blake) to get Derrick Rose? If we had Rose we could be awesome
David Thorpe: You pushed and you pushed. So fine, you get your ban. Wake up Rob!
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 20, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blazers fans are the best fans at getting banned
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 20, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not joking
Lakers fans troll out, Blazers fans nag.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 20, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Casey, I've been able to listen to two games in a row. If that is your doing I'm
eternally indebted. Thank you so much!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 20, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
Eternal debt for only two games on the radio.
Some people come cheap.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
by jscot on Feb 21, 2009 4:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The warbling words of Wheels waxing poetic over the Blazers is invaluable to me.
One woman’s treasure may be some delusional despot’s detritus, oh master of the world.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 21, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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