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Vote and then sum up your thoughts on this year's trade deadline in one sentence in the comments.
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we're 33-20...
young, talented, and soon-to-be under the cap.
What’s not to like?
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 19, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions
"sometimes no move is the best move"
A wise man once said…
then the train hit him.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 19, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
My thoughts exactly. Strike while the iron is hot, not when the iron cools and the cow is 1/2 mile away.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
what if IRON is a 4 letter stock code and you chose to hold on to it instead of selling it before the economy died?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
If KP doesn't make a move
We have to assume that it’s to wait to make a different one in the summer. The one move he made is clearly expressly for that purpose.
Those who disagree, and argue “Player X was clearly available and worth giving up Batum!” have to also argue that either A) they know something KP doesn’t or B) KP was a worse judge of talent than they are.
I have to believe that the summer options, with our draft picks, trade exception, and salary space, will be greater than what was available now.
by rmcdougall on Feb 19, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Back in September Ben. had a chat with Tom Penn and they discussed trade exceptions.
Blazersedge: [laughs] So you created this exception not knowing how you planned to use it? Or, did you have the plan to use the exception and then work to create it via trade?
[Tom Penn]:Well, it’s more the latter. All along we knew that if we could come up with a slot about that big we could probably use that slot to do a trade with Phoenix. The plan all along was that if we had it, we knew where we would go use it.
Based on this, they probably have something up their collective sleeves that they will unleash on the league come draft day.
by tingeyga on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for bringing that back. forgot about that. loved that line from him.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 19, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
rec'ed for common sense.....
…..something that is occasionally in short supply around here.
If you caught KP’s interviews on 99.5 and 1080 yesterday afternoon it is clear that he wasn’t willing to pull the trigger because of the cost, which likely means he was really after Wallace and the cost was Batum. He also emphasized that he thinks there will be even better deals available in the summer for less and that when the right deal is available, Paul Allen is willing to spend.
by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2009 5:05 AM PST up reply actions
We could have a Baron - Von Wafer backcourt
and neither one is German. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Who needs aging former all stars...
When you have a stud like Ruffin, for less than Paul Allen’s annual heating bill?
One of the worst offensive players in recent NBA history
Cut cut cut. Sign a d-leaguer to replace injured Marty for the rest of the year or a third center. Like those awesome dunkers from the All-Star weekend, incl. White who really made a dunk from the free throw line.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
If we cut him
he will obviously get signed by Memphis and then they will play him in one game and we will lose the insurance on him.
Have you learned nothing??
/s
can we make his nickname StudRuffin?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
With Great Power comes Great Responsibility
-Uncle Ben (Spiderman)
Therefore, if we don’t make the playoffs, it’s KP’s fault.
Oden
Should have picked up another center. What if Joel gets injured. He’s already playing with a bad wrist. How well do they do in the playoffs with Channing Frye as the starting center?
Part of the answer to this question is....
…they expect nothing, once they make the playoffs. So it doesn’t matter. I suppose they would put LMA at the 5 and go small, too. Either way, we’re talking one short series. True, no?
True mostly
But I don’t think they should expect nothing in the playoffs from a team with Brandon Roy on it. I think he will step it up in the playoffs like he often does at the end of close games. If they only have Joel at the center position I still think they could get out of the first round especially if they had home court advantage, but hopefully they can get Oden’s knee fixed before the start of the playoffs but I’m just a little worried because its getting late. Shaq would have been a nice addition at this point if he wasn’t a former Laker.
Yeah, uh, LaMarcus Aldridge can't play center adequately on either offense or defense.
The debacle that was yesterday’s game should’ve indicated that fact to anyone and everyone.
The same thing goes for Channing Frye, too, who’s exceptionally in over his head in the NBA.
He did played center last year
And his rookie year, not to any success, but he can do it.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
I thought..
he was pretty good his rookie year.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
If nothing else, there totally should've been a small, simple trade like Raef LaFrentz's being dealt to ...
the Indiana Pacers for Rasho Nesterovic and Jeff Foster to solve that issue of depth at center and the lack of production at the backup power forward spot.
If it's backup beefcake you want
it can be had less expensively.
And by “less expensively” I don’t refer to the opportunity cost of losing the RLEC, but to the horrid contracts they both have.
Plus, if Prz is going against Foster in practice, he’s likely to get neutered quicker than Bob Barker’s tomcat.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
In fairness
Foster’s contract, while really bad is only the 3rd or 4th worst contract in Indy right now. Troy Murphy’s contract is twice as bad as Fosters
Jeff Foster would go against LaMarcus Aldridge in practice.
Aldridge may possibly learn the fundamentals of boxing out for rebounds with Foster on the team, although my faith in him with regards to learning the basics and showing some toughness is next to nil.
Rasho Nesterovic would bring some much-needed depth at center, too, which is an area wherein Kevin Pritchard’s management style gets a big, fat F.
AK, if only you were the GM, all would be well......
…….we would not have “losers” like LMA and Bayless on our pitiful team. Unlike KP, you have all the answers…….
Oh wait, we have the youngest team in the league with the fourth best record in the toughest conference and we will have cap room and a trade exception and 5 draft picks to improve the team this summer. Maybe this KP guy isn’t as stupid and incompetent as you think.
by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2009 5:17 AM PST up reply actions
I kinda wish...
…Buck Williams would come back to teach these guys toughness and how to grab every rebound possible. The dude was only 6’8" but he outrebounded 7 footers cause he knew what he was doing.
Am I alone here?
by FibonacciSequence on Feb 20, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Who won't come over until 2011
And likely won’t be in the draft before 2010.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
There could be a fire sale this summer
Portland may not have the cap space to persue the player that they have targeted, but they may be able to sign and trade for someone.
The best part of being a blazer fan right now is we are loaded and if nothing happens other then we retain the team we have now we are going to at some point in the near future be a western conferance contender.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
I wish we would have rolled the dice and picked up Vince Carter.
Even though his contract is awful we could have got him for almost nothing (I am thinking of a RLEC for VC trade I don’t know if that was the rumor or not). I think VC would not have had a problem deferring to Brandon and would fit in well here.
I guess KP thought his age plus his contract makes him too risky, but the guy has a PER of 20.3 and adding him would make us potentially the best offensive team in the NBA. Hopefully we will make a move this summer.
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions
32 year old Cater = 51 mil + LTax = NUTS
Not only does he not fit in here, no other team wanted him neither.
The rumored VC deal was interesting
VC might have brought significant immediate improvement at very little short term cost.
The problem with the deal was that it would have cost the team a lot of flexibility over the next couple of years. Given the economic climate, I think the flexibility looked better to management. Hopefully they are keeping their powder dry until they find a deal that will help for the longer haul.
by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2009 5:23 AM PST up reply actions
The flurry leading to 12:00PM today...
seems to engulf some fans the way alcohol does to alcoholics and the way crack does to crackheads.
GOTTA…. (shake, shake)… MAKE…. ke, ck-k-k … … … a … move…
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 19, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions
The GOOD FOR ONE FREE STAR coupon expired today at noon. PA took the cash and ran. Thus the urgency.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
........... and you will see tomorrow night why a deal needed to be done.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
Wow
you’re really a fan. You better not be at any games rest of the year for giving up like that. I can’t stand this negativity don’t you have any trust in the guy who turned this team into a playoff-caliber one in the tough west in only 2 years?
I think you badly misread the situation
Think FUTURE VALUE OF MONEY.
Management is gambling that the current value of the $12mil expiring contract is less than the future value of the $6-7mil cap room with exception, which according to KP means they will be able to trade for a contract or signing worth up to about $13 mil this summer (don’t fully understand his comment).
The point is that they think they can get more value later.
by upper left corner on Feb 20, 2009 5:29 AM PST up reply actions
unless it was for Wallace...
KP made the right decision in standing pat.
(Just because I like to be helpful, a sentence is one thought with a period after it.)
But being honest is all I do well.....
Not a Blazer fan (for those who don't know)
But I think the Blazers were wise to pull out of doing deals. I agree with what Henry Abbott said about scouting the other teams and what they’re attempting to do. There’s always more chances down the road to acquire players, or use the cap space in a trade. Saving money this season didn’t make a lot of sense.
I personally am not sure what the Blazers would have done with Jefferson or Butler as I said multiple times here in the Salmons trade threads. (I think it would have benefitted Portland more to do a deal like Salmons/Kenny Thomas than anything else out there. But, apparently finances came into play as John Hollinger mentioned in his chat today.)
To be honest, I think the Blazers were looking to be part of talks without making a deal. I think they’re going to wait until the summer, and then pounce when they have an idea of what this team looks like in the playoffs. I think that’s a wise decision.
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Well
I agree with you and I think we have to remember KP’s nature. He evaluates talent on a really large scale, which makes him different from most GMs in the league. He doesn’t evaluate blocks of the season he evaluates an entire season, through the ups and downs and looks for trends. I think that’s why he has done so well so far is that he takes a very patient approach to player evaluation and puts a lot of focus on player development.
It's fun team to watch, I like the players
championships are great but life is too short to start hating on players because they might not get us all the way there.
It’s a game.
Wrote it elsewhere too, but I think we'll regret not pulling the trigger on Amare.
it just reminds me of the ways Pau’s game was being picked apart when he was being shopped, or the Barkley trade. If we’d done the Amare for RLEC + LMA trade, I think that would’ve gone down as one of the great trade steals in NBA history.
And you know for a fact that there was a trigger to be pulled there, and that the deal, no matter what it involved
should have been made?
How do you know this?
by raoulduke on Feb 19, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*shrug* reports.
How do we know anything? All unconfirmed reports right?
But these usually are unconfirmed reports that are leaked to press for the purpose of getting them publicized. From what one could gather, it was Phoenix asking for RLEC + LMA + Bayless, but other quieter reports saying that they would accept a counteroffer of RLEC + LMA, and KP refusing to include LMA in this deal. I personally thought this was a negotiating ploy by KP to try to squeeze an extra pick or something out of the deal, but I guess I was wrong.
by howlingfantods on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yea
well that would be true except for the fact that they weren’t ever minutes away from trading him, soo… I don’t think he’s going anywhere or ever was they just wanted to gauge interest and see what they could get. They didn’t like it, so they canned Porter instead.
if we really had a chance to do that, then KP blew it big time
I’m gonna assume we didn’t have the chance, because otherwise I’ll go insane.
Boomshakalaka
I don't know that I agree
there could be culture issues and defense issues at play. I’m throwing that out there, because I really don’t know the scouting report on Amare by the blazers, but they were reasons tossed around here. now BOSH on the other hand… i’d have to agree.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Amare is also an unrestricted FA in 2010
But I think Amare would be an upgrade over LA.
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda glad we didn't now though...
…with Amare being out ~8 weeks with eye surgery.
by FibonacciSequence on Feb 20, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
*shrug* he wouldn't have been playing the clips if we made the deal.
and if you go back in time and step on a butterfly, like, nazis rule the world and words be spelled diffrentlike.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
the blazers had 2 fluke losses -- blake's FT nightmare and the orlando bankshot 3
otherwise the team would be 35-18. playing 4 rookies. in real terms the youngest team in the league.
we beat boston when our best player was hurt. some here however are positive they know more about nba personnel than kevin pritchard and nate mcmillan.
and this actually gets reported as: “some fans are unhappy…”
wow. just… wow. it’s embarrassing.
ignacio
by ignacio on Feb 19, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Great points
I am getting tired of people assuming they know more about player evaluation and development than KP. We’re all fans (fanatics) not junior GMs and we should remember that win-now pressure is toxic. Young players will be young players and we as fans need to be patient and remember that KP is a very smart man and he always, ALWAYS has a plan.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 19, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
No doubt. Brad Miller + John Salmons was the deal...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
True, but by the same token
the Blazers have a couple of fluke wins as well (Brandon’s 30-footer to beat Houston comes to mind). Fluke wins and fluke losses tend to even each other out.
All in all 33-20 is a fair record for the Blazers and they project to win about 50 games, so the season is by no means a disappointment
that houston game was no fluke
If Duck wanted a win on his night, he was going to get a win on his night. That ball would’ve gone in regardless of who chucked it up there.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
We are also four fluke wins away from being 29-24, and out of the playoffs for now.
Wasn’t Blake’s FT nightmare the same game as the Orlando bankshot??? In any case, Houston we made a long three pointer with .3 seconds left, SA missed a close, open shot, Sacramento missed a layup attempt to win it, and Detroit missed a shot at the end to win it. Big deal. If you count all the fluke-y type wins or losses, We have definitely had more fluke WINS than losses.
New Orleans after Paul goes out… The Knick game recently was also an edge of your seat buzzer beater… We beat Boston when our best player was hurt, ok great, but we lost to the clippers when they had a bunch of injuries, we lost to Denver when their best player was hurt, we lost to Utah when they didn’t have Boozer…
You can’t just pick out only the most fluky losses and hypothetically change them you would have to do that with the games we won that were fluky too, and that really hurts how this team looks.
Blake missed free throws in the Clipper game
the banked three was the Magic game.
When we lost to the Clippers, they were pretty healthy. Baron, Camby, and Zach played I think.
I agree with your point though.
Admittedly, I like the Clippers
mainly because I am from Indiana, and they drafted Eric Gordon :P
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
NAH
you can’t give us the freak losses while counting our freak wins. we have had the scales tip in our favor more often than not so i’ll gladly take those 2 losses as long as we can keep our last second wins.
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by Philthyanimal on Feb 19, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just glad this is over
And we can start talking about our pick and roll defense and how much better Bayless is then Sergio and how Greg is injury prone.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Feb 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
forget actually talking about basketball games
let’s start some chatter about the summer, the trade exception, and the draft.
I think I'm gonna quit coming to this site if that happens
We’re in the stretch run of the playoffs. Let’s focus on basketball again.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Yep and...
In Quick’s chat this afternoon, he mentioned that the team’s closing “clap” was 5 octaves louder than usual. He noted to the listeners that this clap might have lasting significance. If anything, Quick said this clap could be a turning point we all look back upon, as it signaled unity, together-ness and a special bonding. The guys looked at each other, Quick said, and felt like we “can do this together.” There was just an utter realness to that clap.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
octaves of a sound and the amplitude of the sound aren't...related.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Quick got pitch and intensity confused
but with no Ike at practice it should be expected that the pitch on the clap had a raised pitch. Ike’s hands clapping sound like a bassoon while LMA’s sound like a piccolo.
Great.
But I don’t see how that clap can make Travis never lose his man from here on out and suddenly make us capable of defending…
Even with Travis doing that we're 4th in the western conference playoff race
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Yeah, and that's great
I’ve enjoyed this season soooo much…
But I think that, and our overall bad team defense, will really, really, hurt us in the playoffs… if we make it.
and if that happens
someone will make a course correction. It’s just like driving one of those big Winnebagos. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Dave / Ben
With all the roster changes across the board – Does this mean we are now the youngest team in the NBA????
No, we just got older by acquiring Ruffin for Ike :)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
How sadly ironic is it when Jamaal Mashburn calls you a loser?
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Whether we are winners or losers will be determined this summer
If we can get a better deal done over the summer then KP made the right decision not to do anything. If we don’t make any move over the summer then KP I’d agree with Mashburn.
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
No, it depends on (1) how this season goes; and (2) whether the "better" deal done later offsets the negative impact of not doing the deal in the present.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
That's a good point
if there’s a strong belief of that, then money will be there come draft day and the blazers can capitalize on that and the poor economic market.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
it makes the most sense
no one from the organization can even mention it, but sixteen million in cap space would be incredible in this economy.
Either way
it points out that we don’t really have all the information and our views could change if we did.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
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Blazers President Larry Miller was made to look like an incompetent fool. I’m sure that Paul Allen has hired the best of the best when it comes to general counsel, although their track record on this matter thus far is far from impressive.
That
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Best non edited exchange,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ever
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Either KP is too risk-adverse, or PA is privately not willing to throw around the rediculous lux tax salaries anymore. Either way, I don’t like the development today.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
if the Darius money comes off our cap
it makes sense. 16 million would be a huge amount this offseason.
True.
I just don’t see it happening though. But I don’t claim any insider info or anything, who knows.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
True, yet that is nothing you can plan for
The league makes weird decisions that are hard to predict, and taking them to court even if you think your case has a lot of merit could turn out really ugly and destroy a lot of goodwill as a collateral. I read up on how some teams reacted to first the email and then on the fans booing Darius. Lets say we don’t have a high standing right now.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
PA may be willing to toss it around
but only if it can be seriously justified. I didn’t hear a trade rumor that did that for us.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Didn’t need to have bang for the buck justification back in the day, just bang. That’s my point.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Since then
PA handles his money wiser, and that’s not a bad thing. The bang got us a big flop. If we make a bang this time, it needs to give us that slam dunk.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Infinite money with good talent evaluation is an excellent combo. Decent but limited money and good talent evaluation isn’t quite as great.
I’m a little worried about the orginization/Nate’s values of Trout and Sergio though. The thing I was looking most forward to today was the possibility that Nate wouldn’t have those two guys as rotation options anymore.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
last slam dunk i sawwas the intellegence on Iraq
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Also, forgot to hammer home my main point: when Whitsitt was at the controls, the talent evaluation was severely lacking.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if I agree or don't.
I didn’t like the serious offers. Sure, some might have made us marginally better, but why trade away potential for a little notch. It’s not the little notch we want, but the big trophy.
Chicago and portland switching point guards. Why? How much better would that really make portland? What kind of financial burden would you add for that little gain?
I suspect portland would have been saddled with dollars that would have limited flexibility. If all trades were minor in upgrade benefit, then why make them? Even if they were decent upgrades, but heavy in debt, why risk flexibility when the market may improve?
That’s my take. If KP isn’t making moves because he’s scared, I agree. If he’s not making moves for those other reasons, then I’m on board even though I wish a major cool move could have been made. I see us dropping the play-offs in the first round, and a minor tweak could have put us deep… this year. It might have hurt in future years though.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
That's probably a big part
The gains that we would have gotten would have been minimal and short term. We are looking for long term, to help us through the next 10 years when we have no financial flexibility. Now we have a lot of ammo. We did at the deadline too, but if we couldn’t get a long term answer, then what is really the point? There are a number of things that we don’t know that the management does. To try and judge this situation now is fruitless. After the summer I’m sure we’ll find out what the plan was, and then we can say what whether this was a good call or not. Or 10 years later. Only time will tell and we can only wait and see.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
And if EVERY season counts
Why would you sacrifice 4 or 5 in the future (when we have no cap space) for one or two now?
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
These deals were for 2 or 3 years of impact, not 4 or 5...
Are you saying there would be NO chance of maneuver between now and then?
Who are you waiting for? Basically, the Blazers are wine in the cask that’s not ready yet. The moment to have jumped was NOW to impact THIS season…
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
momentum builds
I’m waiting for the rant. You were ready to deal big time for Shaq and Kidd last year. The time is not now. It has never been about this season. I’m not saying they couldn’t maneuver in the future, but if they weren’t getting what they wanted there’s no need to do something silly right now. Make no mistake about it. Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter, or whoever you have in mind, isn’t going to win us a championship. Roy and Oden will. If they can’t, well, that’s the best shot we got. They aren’t ready this season. I want someone who will be here when they are ready, and if nothing was on the table that would help us at that time, or even worse, detract from our chances at that time, well, so be it.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
bc you dont keep your assets.
raefs contract aint there anymore. frye may not be here anymore. lots of pieces we have would be maximized with a trade now. luckily oden & maryells injury give more PT to showcase our lesser talent and make them look attractive.. otherwise you lose value every game Frye gets a DNP or Sergio gets 10 mins..or we limit Outlaws mins
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Correct. This was a case of PA taking the cash rather than maximizing the TEAM.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
We all assume he does not need the cash. When dating starletts we all need the cash,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
This was a case of you stating your opinion without having enough facts to back anything you are saying up.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
I am pissed...
Screw it. I think this will go down as KP’s first mistake. I think it is borderline crazy to not add a veteran presence with playoff experience. Look at our team, who knows what it takes to win a late season playoff race on this team. Who has any playoff experience? I am not saying KP should pulled a blockbuster, but he should have done something. We are too young and there isn’t a player on this team that knows exactly what it takes to be successful in the playoffs. Even if it was just a wise backup power forward or a savy vet point guard, something needed to be done. We have two veterans who have even played a playoff game. Joel played 5 total games and averaged 7mpg. Blake played 9 and averaged 20mpg in those games. Thats it. 14 total playoff games of experience for our entire freaking roster. You know the deals were out there for KP, he just wussed out and cost the blazers a chance to pick up a valuable mentor for our young team. We were one of the worst defensive teams in the league before the deadline, and we still are. If KP passed on Vince Carter over a 1st round pick, I will be very upset….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Feb 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have to say
I’m not a VC fan. He gives us scoring, but the blazers already do that. He’d upgrade, but we really need defense more than anything. Also, it may have asked us to give something up that wasn’t worth it. I would NOT trade Batum for Carter.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
VC off the freaking bench!
RLEC + Outlaw for VC + Draft
Would Vince Carter like being a bench player? NO. Would he mind if he won a title or two? NO. Plus he’d be a Manu bench player who still played 30+ minutes a game.
Sergio with Vince/Rudy actually moving around would be crazy insane. As a starter, I dunno it’d be tough getting LMA/Oden the ball early AND including Vince and Roy. Off the bench, he’d be like Outlaw only with better shot selection, more driving, and better defense.
Oh well
I take back being pissed. I am just disapointed....
I have a hard time believing there weren’t trades out there that make the blazers a better team this year and don’t totally screw cap flexibility this summer. Vince might not have been the answer, even though I personally believe he would have been a very nice upgrade over Outlaw and Sergio. But I think you can get in trouble if you wait too long to see what a player is going to develop into. At some point this team has to get more experience in the rotation, and in my opinion, that point is sooner rather than later. This team is in danger of choking away their playoff birth with the type of defense they have been playing. Roy has been saving most of these games with late game heroics. He can’t be a hero every time the blazers put up a sub par defensive effort. Teams are going to start stepping it up to playoff level basketball and nobody on this team has been through it and knows what it takes to kick into 6th gear. Look at how valuable James Jones was last season, the blazers were a different team with him in the rotation despite the fact he was a so so player. Having a veteran or two that have been where the Blazers want to go could have been the difference between getting swept in the first round and playing into the 2nd round and maybe even beyond. I think KP missed a great opportunity on this one….
RUDY > MJ
Did you listen to Quick Chat?
Nate wants a veteran presence and he said teams were trying to rob the Blazers. Nate was cool with a deal not being made.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Remember KP's last big mistake?
After summer leaugue Batum was seen as a bad pick, the thought was that Arthur was a better pickup. But now it is seen as one of Pritchards best moves….only time will tell if we made the right move…It is good though that KP can take the heat of the fans, and have patience to make his next move.
by raging WebTed on Feb 19, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot believe how everyone is freaking
Well.. not everyone. We are sucking and need some guy who will suck in two years and cost everything? We are 7-3 in the last 10 games, only the l*kers, Boston, and denver have better records in the last ten. How are we on this cliff about to fall? Remember how excited everyone was about THIS team earlier in the year? It’s just weird how much people wanted Richard Jefferson or whoever. Even Ben is acting nuts.
Oh no, but we almost lost to Memphis! Well in the last two weeks Memphis Beat N.O. and Houston! Every game is tough this time of year, any team in the association can beat any other. Bottom line-33-20.
K.P.is smart, he’ll wait for something that will really help. And he won’t sell the future for now!
Milwaukee
Taking a leap of faith, and assuming that Richard Jefferson was the best deal on the table (maybe VC contract was too long and Larry Brown was driving too hard of a trade), then by not trading for him and keeping RLEC, the Blazers are in a position to outbid Milwaukee for R. Sessions. Just a thought.
Joel Freeland=Stud
Sessions is a restricted FA next year
So Milwaukee can match any offer we make
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but w/ Jefferson on the books
What Milwaukee can match goes down significantly. Cause they would be over the luxury tax.
Joel Freeland=Stud
bird rights. they can match any offer we make.
by dario argento on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
i'm a session lover, but just unsure how he'd fit with bayless....
it could be another logjam?
I think though that’s one of the problems with this roster. There are too many “what ifs.”
The same reason why Sergio shouldn’t play right now. Everybody in Portland knows he’s not in the future, but “what if Bayless?” Now’s the time to find out. Determine this, and then decide on who you want your PG to be.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least
Restricted free agents will be a lot more available this offseason then years past.
Joel Freeland=Stud
He has a $5.7 million salary. We can't pay that
Only minimum (veteran) salary free agents are possible at this point. Or calling up a d-leaguer.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Too little knowledge, too much talk
No one here knows what was truly offered. No one here knows talent like the people paid to do so. No one here here knows like those inside know. But that hasn’t changed the confidence level of some to comment as if they do. Short term infatuation is often the precursor to long term error and, apparently, much rhetoric.
Something for nothing rarely happens. When you build a rep for accomplishing it like KP has, the others you play with learn to be very cautious when dealing with you. That, however, doesn’t mean the the coiled snake is sleeping.
by Interested on Feb 19, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
This is an excellent point.
Thanks for making it. +1 – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Oden for Durant?
I wonder if OKC would take Oden for Durant?………. AAA hA Ha ha ha ah ah….tears
What the hell is going on with Oden now? Is this really happening? Are we really watching the second coming of Bowie / Jordan?
Thank God for Brandon Roy. Thats all I gotta say
Your telling me Town and Country is the place to get my new ride??...hehuha
Yeah, I heard of them.
by Derftron on Feb 19, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Least we can sustain ourselves if he happens to turn out that way
No matter how much I’ll cry when Durant wins MVP.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
KP said this on 1080 minutes ago
Many teams are selling and the Blazers are buying. Price is low now but not bottom out yet, will get better return in the summer. Basicly that’s what he said and why there were no trade.
What does that say about the priorities for this current season?
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
Everybody keep saying
our time is 3 years from now. But why? Why can’t we move the time table up to this year or next year. We only one or two right player(s) away but instead we hold on to all these young guys that don’t get enough playing time to develop. It’s fun to watch the players we drafted grow up and become stars but the right thing to do now (this summer) is to consolidate our young talents into veterans with playoff experience.
I agree 100%.
Why wait? Injuries, disappointing development, and lots of other things can screw up overly optomistic long term plans. If opportunities to make a run in the next few years continue to present themselves, we need to capitalize. I just hope this wasn’t it.
Giving this many minutes to guys like Sergio and the Trout aren’t going to result in quality play at PG and SF in the future…trading those guys for better players will.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Quick said he will write a column about deals that were possible (but too expensive or not fitting the "culture") on Sunday
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
He also revealed that the much rumored SF + PG deal was for Deng + Hinrich
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Interest in Hinrich earlier
Then Deng was made available. But called the talks “a little sketchy now” in retrospect due to having difficulties matching Deng’s BYC (for the right price presumably).
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
wow
I’d like to know what Chicago was asking for that package. I would have been willing to give up quite a bit.
Boomshakalaka
Yeah no kidding
I’ll bet they wanted Rudy and wouldnt budge… and if that’s the case, I would have been hesitant… but man… almost anything else, other than Oden, Roy, Aldridge, Przybilla, I would have given up. Bayless would have been tough, but I still would have done it.
Quick's "journalism"
consists of making deals with the front office to not report for long periods of time, followed by providing non-breaking, stale insider info. Where’s the real media around here? The blogs are the only ones not in the organization’s back pocket.
The Mariners writers do the same company line crap, I can’t stand it.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad that Portland stood pat and
would like to see them swing a deal to move up in the draft to get a stud like Harden, Griffin or Blair.
by torsoheap on Feb 19, 2009 4:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Come on
Do you want a perpetually half-baked cake?
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, this team has FOUR MORE draft picks already (and don't think KP is gonna stop there) PLUS Freeland coming over...
………………… It loses the oldest guy on the roster.
EXCELLENT chance that next year’s team will be the youngest in the league again.
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
Why stop there?
Let’s trade for the entire Mcdonald’s all American team.
At some point, you have to start asking whether the strategy is to win at all -- or just to field competitive teams economically in an extremely unprofitable league...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
I've stopped watching baseball, but it seems there is something of Billy Beane's MO in KP...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
At some point
the NBA needs to stop paying these “Ball Players” so much money.
This is a topic that should have its own thread!
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
I don't think Portland is
just one veteran away from winning championships. Sure, it would be great to have Vince Carter, but is he going to make Oden foul less? Is he going to help LMA box-out?
Portland really needs some help with perimeter defense and I don’t think those dudes were available. Detroit wasn’t going to fire-sale Prince and Artest is too much of a nut-job.
Get the deal done KP!
We need David Lee now!
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Get back to me Saturday on whether Lee would have come in handy on Friday night, Tom...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
Yeah baby
4th in the west while starting 3 rookies and playing a 4th I’ll take that!!!
but but but but
Vince Carter was going to take us to the promised land! Just like every other team he has won titles on.
Oderint dum metuant
Complacency breeds mediocrity.
Why settle for good when you can have better? I’m thrilled that this team wins games and is entertaining (major improvement over the last few years), but it doesn’t stop me from wanting them to improve more.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
What you want
really has no bearing on reality. I want the Blazers to win a title every year and I want that team in LA to go 0-82 every year. I don’t want to make change for changes sake on a team that is a year removed from being the 3rd youngest team in NBA history. I also don’t want Joe Blow on the internet to talk like he knows better then the professional types. Seems as if none of us gets what we want.
Oderint dum metuant
If improve means trading Bayless?
You have to give up a few young players to get one better player back. Will you? KP wouldn’t, he wanted to watch his children grow under his wings.
If it's a long term improvement
I’d be fine, but in what way can Vince Carter be construed as “long term” improvement?
Oderint dum metuant
I wasn’t excited about a deal for VC.
Jefferson/Ridnour/Sessions, or Nash, or Gerald Wallace, or Caron Butler all are players that I thought would make us title contenders this year and the next few too, as long as the cost included some combo of RLEC, Trout, Frye, Sergio, Shav, Diogu before yesterday, stashed euros, etc.
I agree that VC wasn’t the answer, and trading any of Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Przybilla, Rudy, or Bayless would have been a mistake.
If those deals weren’t out there, so be it, but it seems some of them probably were, and I don’t see how they would mortgage the future.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
?
Adding Gerald Wallace doesn’t make the Blazers title contenders, but 2 more years of experience for lesser talent does? I’m confused.
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
He's right, though.
Outlaw’s not getting any better. Sergio’s not getting any better. How does this help “the future” when we may have had a major upgrade available to us? At only 26 years old.
It all depends on what "available" means.
Heated seats were available for my pickup, but they cost more than I was willing to pay for a marginal increase in utility.
I don't think any team wanted Vince Carter.
skill and age a side, 51 mil plus LTax for 3 years. He is going to stay in Jersey almost for sure.
Word was
we could have gotten Vinsanity for RLEC, and frye
We were the one’s who killed the deal demanding a first rounder.
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 19, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
People here are down on VC, but I think that would have been a good trade
I know he got a ridiculous 55 million extension a year or so ago and he is 32 years old. But he is putting up good numbers, he has a 20 PER, shoots the 3 at .390 and he also get to the free throw line. VC is a year and a half younger than Ray Allen and seems to be aging pretty well so I think he will still be a quality player for the next 3-4 years. This year he is showing he can play behind an up and coming star and I think he would fit in well.
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
VC is a great 2 guard
same position that Roy and Rudy play. Were you going to trade Rudy for him?
Were you going to play him at the 3? or move Roy to the 3? – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Greed breeds meltdown
Have we learned nothing?
"It all depends on where his growth will come and we think his growth will come within us" -- Kevin Pritchard on Jerryd Bayless
You've got 29 games worth of carping on the horizon...
Why is Channing Frye still here? Anybody??? Anybody???
A guest from Detroit on today's 95.5 Morining Sports Page said
he doesn’t think Prince will be a Piston when next season begin. Sorry I didn’t know who that guy was, I was still half asleep.
Detroit would have to be blown away
with a great offer for Prince. I’m not sure Portland is willing to give up what Detroit would want.
The move I want to see most is:
Paul Allen using his money to invent a transmogrification machine!
Jaybay with Sergio’s court vision and freak passing ability?
Sign me up.
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 19, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Batum 4 Wallace
Just Curious if the reports were true about this who would have done it?
I really like Batum a lot but i think I may have done it.
yah
thats what they were reporting anyway. Who knows if its true but it was either batum and the expiring contract or the contract and some nasty contract they had. If this is true I would have done either. I like Gforce a lot though. I think he got like 25 adn 10 the other night if im not mistaken. I love nic but I don’t see him having that kind of impact any time soon.
If they had to take on Nazr Mohammed's contract for example that would make the deal not as attractive
Any ideas on who KP is going to get this summer? It sounds like we could have had some quality players for practically nothing right now, this offseason might be crazy.
by trailblazersfan on Feb 19, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
battier
would be ideal- he would be a great mentor ready to step down when Batum is ready to step up.
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 19, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my problem with the whole thing.
If we were absolutely going for the future and not caring about this season, then why have we committed to playing Sergio and letting Bayless sit on the bench?
Either we try to win now, or develop our young talent. The other three rookies get time to work through their mistakes. Bayless sits on the bench.
I'm not saying Sergio can't be part of the team
I think he and Bayless would make a great duo.
But this trade deadline was a chance to clear the logjam and give one of them a shot elsewhere. If Sergio was sitting, it would be just as unfair.
Just like Bob would've dealt as a rule even when we complained about it.
KP stays true to making a team even when we complain about it.
".. is gumby an alien?"
Blazer Novel Du Jour
I can’t believe these rumors of RLEC and Batum for Wallace. That’s insanity for Charlotte. They’re still very much in the playoff hunt and they would lose their leading scorer, best defender, and only blue-chip asset for Raef’s contract and a rookie with decent upside? Uh-huh.
They wanted us to pick up Nazr Mohammed’s contract, which we were right to nix. Why? Because we prefer the financial freedom this summer when a) things will have worsened economically and teams will be that much more desperate to unload talent for savings and b) Pritchard and the front office have seen this team in the playoffs and will have that much better of an idea of what’s really needed to take the next step.
Sure, we can guess. We can point to deficiencies at SF. We can talk about the PG quandary. But to me the truth of the matter is that we’re not going to win or lose in the playoffs based on whether or not we have Vince Carter as one more threat on the offensive end, or Caron Butler, or Gerald Wallace. We’re not prevailing in a seven-game series against L.A. because we threw Andre Miller into the kettle with thirty games to go.
No, we’re going to lose in the playoffs because the team is young, green as April grass, and there’s no way, repeat, no way a roster anchored by our core guys (who I love to death and fervently support) are beating Kobe Bryant in the second round. Or Tim Duncan. Or a Jerry Sloan-coached Jazz team, for that matter. We’re too young, too inconsistent, and we have never seen playoff defense or playoff intensity before. And you only have to look at matchups like the games down in L.A. or the Boston game to see that validated.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this team is primed to make NBA and sports history by charging to the championship. And maybe LaMarcus is a double-double dynamo in June and Oden is suddenly magically able to play 30-35 minutes a game and average 14 boards and 3 blocks, and Travis morphs into a stopper and all the pieces fall into place. That’d be nice. I’d love to be wrong. But I don’t see it.
Nor do I see us looking back on that first- or second-round series and saying, “Man, I bet we could have won that Spurs series in six instead of losing it in five if Caron Butler had been on this roster instead of Travis Outlaw.” I simply cannot see that. I can see myself being wrong and us going on a tear and making noise in the playoffs against all odds. That would be outstanding. But if that doesn’t happen and we fold, I think the chances are incredibly remote that a February acquisition would have turned that tide.
And maybe I’m wrong there too. Maybe I’m eating those words in May when we get rolled and Richard Jefferson truly would have made the difference. But I’m not willing to mortgage our window of opportunity for the next two years to roll those dice. And neither should anyone who wants to see a ring in this town.
P.S. I agree completely about having to count freak wins against freak losses, but it doesn’t fly when comparing to other teams. They’ve all had the same amount of goofy outcomes as we have at this point. The only disparity I think is relevant [blatant homerism] is that I truly feel that we have been the recipient of some very poorly officiated games this season [/blatant homerism]. But y’know what, a big splashy expensive small forward acquisition wasn’t gonna fix that either.
by rivetz on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We have not given up anything we have aquired the last 3 seasons, Jack asked to be moved,he needed to be in a situation where he thought hehad a chance to start.
Portland made an effort to build its OWN team not aquire one through fa or trades. What exactly is the sudden call for mercenaries or (god forbid)overpaid stars. C’mon Blazer fan enjoy the ride and the fact that these are, are own. not recycled players with issues but Portland draft picks with unique qualities to the area and our team, and the fan base.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
by Dragonage on Feb 19, 2009 10:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dragonage…my feelings exactly! Well put.
The young Blazer team reminds me of the NY Islander franchise in the NHL back in 1972. While historically all other expansion teams traded for veterans to try and “win now”, the GM Bill Torrey believed in building the team through the draft and allowing those players to develop. Torrey’s philosophy made a bit of history in the NHL….as they went on only a few years later to lead their division and win consecutive Stanley Cups.
I know we want to see a championship run real soon…but with patience, how fun it will be to see these guys…the guys we have now become contenders. Sure we may need a player to help…but gosh…give them a chance to grow.
Hey, we did it
took out the Spurs, in the BDL 2 vs 2, way to go Blazer geeks
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 19, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions
Down 2, game 7 vs. the Lakers, with 8 seconds left, Raef approaches Nate, and says,
“Put me in, coach — I’m more than just an expiring contract — I can win this conference for us” … Brandon drives the lane, draws the defense, kicks out to a WIDE-open LaFrentz, who swishes a 3-pointer as the buzzer expires … prompting KP to re-sign LaFrentz to a 1 year, $12.72 million contract, which KP deals to Toronto at next year’s deadline for Vince Carter and a number 1 pick.

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