Did KP make a serious error with poll
I think everyone's wondering. Did KP make a huge mistake not trading RLEC today. I for one am absolutely convinced he did UNLESS he has a FA he has talked to who has signed a blood oath on skin parchment sealed by lucifer himself that they will come to Ptown this offseason. The only thing I can think of is KP is targetting Ramon Sessions (oh please let it be so) or Hedo Trukoglu. My other thought is that he might be dreaming of even more leverage this summer. I hate to say it but I think KP made a mistake. I don't want to get to into it but with the financial world crashing down around our ears our window might be this season and this season only. Darn it I wanted a banner before doomsday and KP didn't pull the trigger!
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Maybe PA made the mistake.
KP couldn’t do much if PA didn’t want to dish out some cash.
by pualo on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
our window might be this season and this season only.
You lost me here.
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
by joelor on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NO
I was saying Armageddon and the disolution of the NBA is around the corner.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm
If you really believe and are worried about this, who gives a &#!@ about basketball?
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
by joelor on Feb 19, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want a
banner before the end. It’s like the whole if you had one year to live thing make a wish foundation. My wish is a Blazers title. Yes I know it’s petty but me wants it.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt sound like doomsday to me
I didnt read much but it sounds more like a welcome reboot of society rather than the end of the world. Life does go on after the fall of governments, usually for the better. Not that i think its coming any time soon, doomsday will be far worse than that mope’s predictions.
by Twin Lakes on Feb 19, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Idog: when I termed you a "Chicken Little" last year, I thought I was exaggerating!
OK, mea culpa: I haven’t read the piece you linked to (yet). Also: I actually AM concerned that, in the context of the worsening global financial economy, the NBA may be in serious trouble. But I doubt that “Armegeddon” will be the result. More likely, something worse than the ’70s recession, but well this side of the Great Depression, is coming.
In that light, the Blazers’ trade window will only open wider moving forward. By this summer, some franchises that are currently only concerned will be in full-out panic. Paul Allen & KP will be in the driver’s seat, happy that they refused to cave on 2-19.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I've read the piece now
So I can officially declare it a crock. Just listen to that over-cooked prose (e.g., “History” is always capitalized). Give me a break! They’re just trying to sell subscriptions to their site, using the time-honored tools of paranoia and fear to get the job done. My hunch: they hawk other “survival” tools—e.g., gold—to their clients.
Relax, Idog1976. The economy is bad and is going to get worse. Obama has inherited a mess of epic proportions. Hard times are ahead. But “Armegeddon” ain’t looming.
My prescription: more BE and less “the sky is falling” sites.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
too soon to tell
let’s see what happens in the next 12 months – which is how much time we have to use the capspace we’ll have starting this summer.
Then we’ll know if he should have made a deal now or not. Remember also we don’t know EXACTLY what trades were on the table, and which rumors may have been slightly off.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 19, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm writing the same thing I just wrote in the other thread because...
I don’t think it is regretable that a deal didn’t go down. The fact that we got a trade exception with the Diogu trade yesterday is something that will be of great benefit. I think it will have ramifications down the road that we just don’t see yet. That exception is good for one year. KP might use it for the draft, but I believe next year’s trade deadline will be crazy compared to this years. People are going to try and clear salary for the big-time players who will become free-agents next year. Wouldn’t that be a nice time to have an exception that will allow us to bring in $3 Million more than we are sending out? That will fetch us a really nice player, AND PREVENT US FROM GIVING UP A YOUNG PLAYER ON THE ROOKIE SALARY SCALE LIKE BATUUM, BAYLESS, OR FERNANDEZ TO MAKE SALARIES MATCH. That will be the prime opportunity to take advantage of some other teams trying to chase Lebron or Bosh. So Pritchard and Penn have given us more flexibility, have potentially saved our young up and coming players, and are going to give Martell a chance to show that he is the player we are all hoping he will be. If he can’t do that, then I’ll expect some moves to be made. My hats off to KP and Penn, the best GM combo in the NBA.
Can I buy you a fish sandwich?
by silkybrown on Feb 19, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst mistake of his tenure
The deals he turned down from New Jersey and Charlotte are hilariously good for us.
by robrun2 on Feb 19, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Assuming, that is, that he actually turned down or backed off of those possible deals. How legitimate were they, or how much were they just rumors?
by SonicBlazer on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
I’m hoping for the best at this point e.g. Ramon Session in the Offseason.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rumored deals
we dont know what really was said or offered
by blazerchamp on Feb 19, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I said "No, but I wonder"
There were definitely deals to be had for RLEC. If KP feels they wouldn’t have helped the team in the long run, I’m with him. I’d like to see what all was out there (aside from Carter, which we have enough reporting on to know the basic parameters – I’m thinking mostly along Hinrich/Deng/Wallace lines) before I give a full opinion, but this roster is exactly what it was yesterday and what it will be tomorrow – the best collection of young talent in the NBA. KP put it together, so I’m willing to defer to his judgment.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh god, this means we didnt make a trade
but at least I didnt have to logg into that 800 comment monster to find that out. what mastabatory maham
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Feb 19, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
for alliteration at the end :)
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How anyone could call Michael Ruffin a mistake is beyond me.
I like to see more players that rhyme with muffin.
Seriously, no one knows until this summer.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
by blzrfan on Feb 19, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I need to write a pro-KP thread
Best GM in the world. He has a team that is 10 games over .500, has a great shot at making the playoffs with one of the youngest teams in the NBA, he set himself up nicely for the off-season, and he didn’t make a stupid trade for an aging vet just to appease all the trade happy fans.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I agree
In fact, this extreme anti-KP talk is pretty out there if you ask me.
He knows more than we do, he holds the chips, he has PA breathing down his neck and whispering in his ear. In fact, Hollinger implied that PA had more to do with it than Pritchard. (see below)
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
by joelor on Feb 19, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love you man
KP > Fans
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
KP knows hardball. The assumption around the league was that KP would deal RLEC and was just waiting for a better offer. The rest of the league thought that the Blazers were just saying that they would hold on to the RLEC in order to get better offers. Well KP showed he was serious and it sent a message to the rest of the league.
by Escrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!!!! That'll sure show them next year when they have that 8-figure super-expiring contr-------uh, never mind...
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by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This was a PURELY FINANCIAL DEAL.
SPAM: Saving Paul Allen’s Money.
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by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with that.
Carter was high risk/medium reward.
Jefferson was high risk/medium to low reward.
Wallace was extremely high risk (Can he get any more seriously injured?)/medium to high reward.
Then there’s staying with what you’ve got: low risk/medium reward.
Maybe KP doesn’t end up swinging anything with the capspace, maybe he does. But at least we’re not stuck with someone else’s overpaid garbage if the risk doesn’t pan out.
Patience is underrated. Fan opinons are overrated. So, yes, that means that I too am overrated.
by T Darkstar on Feb 19, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace is two years older than Roy to the day
Why are we not in panic about Roy blowing out his knee or his heel spur needing surgery? Wallace has no structural problems with his body, only freak injuries.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Wallace
But his concussions are a concern since he has had several of them.
I’d still kill to have him though.
If what we hear is true and he was Target #1A, then I bet the Bobcats asked too muchie wuchie.
I didn’t want Jefferson or VC, but Wallace is destined to be a Blazer.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 19, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Too muchie wuchie"
That’s what I was trying to say.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my take also
The problem, apparently, was that the Bobcats were demanding Rudy along with RLEC & Trout. Not that I blame them: Wallace is their best player.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they wanted Nic instead of Travis. I would understand why KP was reluctant to do that
I wouldn’t understand it though if the hanger was not taking on Nazr Mohammed’s contract. He is a serviceable backup 5 with an ugly yet not horrible contract, and we could have moved him again some time down the road.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd accept Trout + RLEC for Wallace in a heartbeat
Toss in some second-rounders while you’re at it. But Rudy, Nic, & Bayless are the future. KP has said the Blazers won’t mortgage the future for short-term gain (e.g., a sure playoff berth this season), and I think that’s wise. Missing the playoffs this year would be devastating—the team badly needs to get it’s feet wet in the postseason. But taking that risk seems perferable to giving up as bright a young talent as the three aforementioned guys.
Having said that, I understand the Bobcat’s apparent position. Wallace is their best player, so trading him for Trout plus financial relief would not sit well with their fanbase.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Dragline!
That’s something I love about BE. The same poster you’re arguing with one moment can be in total agreement with you—on another topic—the next.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle (pdx, Or): Why didn’t the blazers do anything?
SportsNation John Hollinger: (3:19 PM ET ) Because Paul Allen likes saving money too. I had somebody out there tell me over a month ago that they were being tighter than outsiders thought and that they might very well hang on to the Raef deal. I think Pritchard was looking for a homerun and if he couldn’t get somebody like Sessions or Carter for free then he would just take his expiring contract and go home.
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
by joelor on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I say KP took the best deal available
He got PA a big expiring contract, that will get Portland under the cap and a trade exception for the off season. I don’t understand how Blazers fans think Raef’s contract is valuable only to other teams.
The Blazers do not need an aging superstar with a $15 million dollar contract. They need a couple of $5 million – $8 million vets to shore up the roster and he can get them this summer.
I love that by not making a move today, that he has shown faith in the team HE ASSEMBLED to make the playoffs. This is a confidence booster to all the guys and I think they will repay KP by progressing this season and scaring the crap out of the other teams in the playoffs.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
maybe it will for some guys. For others like Bayless this is a gut punch. I expect Rex to be traded in the offseason now.
By the way I am NOT anti-KP I just think he miscalculated in a big way.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a leap
How do you make the jump to the conclusion that KP making no trades is a gut punch to Bayless and a sign that he’ll be traded in the offseason? I cannot follow you at all here. Please explain, because I can find no way that they are remotely related.
< /war >
by Diesel10 on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they trade Sergio in the off-season.
by Escrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what'll actually happen
Bayless’ minutes just took a hit. But he’s an intelligent guy; he realizes this is just for the next 29 games (and, hopefully, a playoff series or two). The future is Jerryd’s and he knows it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 19, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless relegated to DEEP
in the bench and the consequent unhappiness. You can only cage Rex for so long. I’m being a bit facetious when I say Rex will be traded just that this is not necessarily balm to his pain and say Batum. Imagine being a talented rookie and watching a veteran in the same position make more mistakes then you do and getting way more PT. Now imagine you have the drive of any 20 NBA players. Frustrated feeling in this little though experiment? So is Bayless I guarantee it.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying
he steps it up another level and either takes the backup PG job from Sergio in a few weeks or gets a lot better trying. One thing Bayless was lauded for early in the season was his work ethic; in fact, my favorite anecdote is the one where Monty had to end a three on three game because he was going at Sergio so hard (not saying I want bad things for Sergio, just complementing Bayless’ desire). He won’t let this stop him.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There HAS
to be a deal this Offseason then. That’s all there is to it.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
By this time next year, at least 1 of the 3 PGs currently on the roster will be employed somewhere else, my money being on Sergio (he and Nate are oil and water)
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:/
Are some of you guys seriously making these posts? I can’t tell what’s a joke and what’s real anymore.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I think the only message Bayless is getting is that he has to fit better in the second unit that Sergio if he wants more playing time.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I chose the no option with the shred of doubt.....
I trust this gm…far more than any before him……if he say’s it’s the right way to move on….
I believe him yo.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I have faith too.
+1
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Feb 19, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I trust KP
I really do and his hands may have been tied. I still feel like this was a miscalculation of course only KP and PA know the truth of it. As this is a site for fan conjecture, mine is that KP miscalculated. This might be the first time it’s happened…unless you are a KD fanboy which I am not, though I respect his game.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just disappointed ( I chose No but I wonder)
From the start of the season, it seemed written in stone that RLEC and a few of our younger players would be packaged around this time. I, like most of you, have been excited about the unknown player that could take this team to another level. Then to read JQ, and other local columnists say trades are in the work that could make us contenders this year, almost sent me over the edge!
I know this team is good, and will only get better. I was just hoping for more. Good luck the rest of the way Blazers, we will still be here for ya!
by bad karma on Feb 19, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't know if it's a mistake until we can see the rest of history and then re-run it.
by PoliSam on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or at least wait for the season to play out
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is
guys like Trout and Sergio better man up after this reprieve not relax and dream of starksville and Mallorca.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think KP probably made the safest move. RLEC gives us flexibility in the summer, and on draft day.
I’m sure KP’s biggest fear was ruining the team chemistry, impacting their play negatively enough to miss the playoffs, which would be a disaster at this point.
by dario argento on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mistake
we had a chance to get a championship caliber small forward for our team, and didn’t. unless the teams were making ridiculous demands, or KP has something better this offseason, I think we missed out on a chance to make a big move
by StocktonNEP on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Championship caliber Small Forward?
What deal are you talking about… the Bayless, Outlaw, RLEC for Vince Carter move…. yeah that was a good one.
by Escrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Over-the-hill small forwards with big contracts
imo
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've come to see large contracts
as a two-edged sword. Remember the nightmare that was taking Raef Not expiring contract to get Roy? Here we are a couple of years later and that same bad contract became our best trade chip.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're good when they're up.
But not before then. And that is a lot of waiting.
Patience is underrated. Fan opinons are overrated. So, yes, that means that I too am overrated.
by T Darkstar on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the bigger mistake would've been upsetting chemistry
For an over-the-hill role player. Sounds like there just wasn’t much out there.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have hign hopes for the continued development of
Travis, Martell, Nic, Blake, Sergio and Jerryd.
I love our chemistry. Someone commented on the lack of tatooed me-first allstar attitudes we have. I love deferring til summer.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the future looks good
ill add Oden, Rudy, and LA to the list
by Twin Lakes on Feb 19, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he made a mistake
he wanted to get fair market value for RLEC and that was not the correct way to approach it. He should have done whatever makes us a better team, even if he did not think the deal gave correct value to the RLEC. Its not like these types of deals come along very often, we had the opportunity to get several excellent players, without messing up the core chemistry of this team at all, and we passed on it.
This is a horrible mistake. There is no question about it.
One of five things happened here.
1)Kevin Prtichard has a reputation of getting great deals, and passed on deals that would have tarnished that reputation but still would have made us better.
2)Kevin Pritchard decided that because the other teams were not willing to part with what he thought was fair, he wasn’t going to play, and this made us worse.
3)Paul Allen told him to keep the RLEC unless the deal is so mouth-wateringly beautiful that we couldn’t pass it up. (Paul Allen was being stupid and needs to sell the Seahawks so he can invest more money in the Blazers).
4)Kevin Pritchard is afraid of making high risk moves, and instead is more comfortable taking low risk draft picks instead, and so got scared to make a trade. (Thank you Roygoes)
5)Kevin Pritchard is falling for the Paxon trap, and has fallen to in love with our young players, which will stagnate us in the end (The classic case of you always have to be running just to stay in one place)
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
by TheOdenator on Feb 19, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You read Chad Ford's chat
and as a matter of fact posted some of it word for word. Maybe it was snark.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
they braintrust decided that the economy will be weaker still this summer, our youngsters will be better and more marketable, and that the best deal will be available then.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had that thought as well
and it might be right.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a bird in the hand
is worth two in the bush.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
by TheOdenator on Feb 19, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
great summation
I especially agree with bullet point 3. Always have.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is in the end most of the proposed trades were trades that did not upgrade Portland enough to just swap out players to be swapping out players.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
by Dragonage on Feb 19, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No.
Word on the street(espn) was that the Blazers really wanted G. Wallace, but the Bobcats wouldn’t bite. This makes a lot of sense if you think about it. They couldn’t get the guy they wanted so they would rather wait for summer to make another decision.
The Blazers aren’t winning the title this year. Teams are reluctant to part with important pieces when they are on the verge of making the playoffs. The Bobcats would save money moving Wallace, but they would lose loads of money if they don’t make the playoffs because of it. I think this summer will be really interesting.
Think of it this way;
In the long run wouldn’t you rather have Josh Childress than Vince Carter? Well… that can happen now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 19, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vince Carter.
By a mile, I might add.
by robrun2 on Feb 19, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince Carter
and are you serious?
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
by TheOdenator on Feb 19, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir.
A 32 year old Vince Carter is a bad thing. He has an awful contract and chances are pretty good that he will turn into a bag of expensive bones before the Blazers even make a championship run. He hardly adds to our defensive woes and he definitely does not fit the definition of a role player.
Chilress doesn’t need shots, has one of the best true shooting percentages for a small forward ever (64.7%), and plays amazing defense. He has an extremely high basketball IQ and the Hawks would occasionally use him as a point forward. He is a perfect role player and at age 25 will probably get better. Efficiency, defense, and age are crucial for what the Blazers are looking for and Carter just doesn’t fit the bill. The Nets were trying to give him away and the Blazers wouldn’t take him. That should tell you something right there.
True shooting percentage among small forwards.
Josh Childress 64.7%
Danny Granger 57.5%
Gerald Wallace 56.3%
Trevor Ariza 55.7%
Richard Jefferson 55.0%
Vince Carter 54.7%
Travis Outlaw 53.2%
Nicolas Batum 53.2%
Stephen Jackson 52.5%
Loul Deng 51.6%
Tayshon Prince 51.2% (career average is about 54%)
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 19, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Granger
What was the question? Childress? Uhm, yeah, but we would have to overpay to get him too. Wallace would have been really nice if all it takes is sitting Nazr Mohammed on the bench and playing him as often as Frye and Ike for a year before trading him again in some package.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by timbo on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But it’s not like you were in the room while they were discussing these trades. I’m not sure I would give up a whole lot for Vince Carter. If the Nets wanted Bayless or Rudy included in the deal things could fall apart real quick. The Blazers made an offer on Gerald Wallace and the Bobcats said no. What’s KP supposed to do? If they can get below the salary cap this summer and pick up Trevor Ariza, Josh Childress, Andre MIller, or Mike Bibby I will be just as happy.
Still… you have a point. So far KP hasn’t made a legit trade that didn’t occur on draft day. That does worries me a bit. A good GM must know when to kill his babies.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 19, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
troll
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 19, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we'll regret not pulling the trigger on an Amare for RLEC + LMA deal.
That kind of opportunity does not come along every day.
by howlingfantods on Feb 19, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I trust in KP
KP is a super intellegent android from 1000 years in the future. He doesnt make mistakes. RLEC will free up cap space so the Blazers can afford to re-sign the talent they already have. KP’s genius is the reason most of blazers are under paid in comparison to the rest of the NBA. Considering no major guys are lost, the Blazers will enter their prime in about two years, and then continue to dominate the league for the next five. Impatient Blazer fans, and envious fans of other teams will just have to accept this.
by Twin Lakes on Feb 19, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The only positive I can clearly see is that we prevented Salmons from going to a WC competitor and got a trade exception out of it. KP is good at outmaneuvering other teams.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 19, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No. Why one name says it all: Ben Wallace
making the wrong deal with a young team can destroy a team (of course it doesn’t help having a bad owner/GM) Just ask Chicago.
There were great risks in adding another big-name player. Taking on a big name contract for the 3 spot would essneitally demote Martell for being injured. That would lead to some awkward team chemistry as I’m sure Martell is well liked and would be unjustly demoted. Also Batum would be shoved way back down the bench. Does KP risk alienating any of the current players (besides Shav)? Martell has a bright future and a bad decision now could force us to lose Martell for a short-term gain.
by NWfan on Feb 19, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
every time I've ever thought KP was making a mistake
he turned out to be right and i turned out to be wrong
so i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt
by DominicanAvenger on Feb 19, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Voted no, but wonder
It sounds like management is gambling on summer as a better playing field. And as anyone who invests knows, that’s called timing the market, which is a tough, tough, thing to predict. Well, I’m deflated, but I hope for the best.
by Stryder9 on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he made a mistake
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by jksnake99 on Feb 19, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I voted "yes, but he might have a good reason"
I’m not sure I think he made a mistake at all—in fact I pretty much think he probably made the best choice, and we may all be in agreement come this summer if he gets a great deal done.
But I am still PROFOUNDLY disappointed—not with KP, or the management, or whatever, just that I really thought we would have had a GREAT chance to make a GREAT deal that would really help our team, and apparently that never materialized. Now, our team is set for any playoff run we make, and I have every reason to believe it will be a bad one, primarily because of our very poor defense, and inexperience.
Not the end of the world, and I dont presume to know what deals were there or that I know what Pritchard was thinking or that he was wrong, or anything like that. Just that I was looking forward to what I thought was a likely deal to help us greatly in areas we need a lot of help in (veteran leadership, team defense), and it didn’t happen.
by TimG on Feb 19, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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