Geico Caveman Advises Kevin Pritchard
by Ben Golliver on Feb 19, 2009 5:30 AM PST
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"PULL THE TRIGGARRRR, KP!! DO EEEEEET!"
Use this thread to count down the final hours to the deadline.
UPDATE: With roughly three hours to go, Blogfather and Chad Ford are both reporting Blazers are done.
Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: A plugged in source just told me that the Blazers are done, and will not be making any moves before the deadline.
Of course, a great offer at the last minute could change that, but that's considered unlikely.
What's this about? All that talk and no big move?
Part of this, I think, is that they have been driving a hard bargain. Another part of is that they are in a position to use Raef LaFrentz's cap room this summer, plus their new trade exception, when the market will be depressed thanks to the economy. Portland will likely be able to make either a lopsided trade or a free-agent signing.
Chad Ford: A Blazers source says the Blazers are now leaning strongly toward not making a major trade before the deadline. They have been in talks with the Nets, Bucks and Bobcats for days, but as of 11:30 a.m. they say nothing is hot.
Says one Blazers source, "I don't see a deal. We like our players long term. We don't want to mess with our chemistry."
UPDATE 2: With roughly 2 hours to go, Dwight Jaynes just tweeted (@dwightjaynes) that he thinks the statements coming from Henry, Chad and John Canzano could simply be a "negotiating posture" in the run-up to a deal. Makes sense, and it's curious that all 3 writers reported very similar information (Raef staying and the team pursuing options in the offseason) in short order. Either KP or TP took a break to return some messages or they were looking to actively put the word out.
Dwight is also hearing the following about Vince Carter...
The Nets really are willing to practically give him away. That's how anxious New Jersey is to get out from under his contract. What I've heard from two sources this morning is that Portland is in a staredown with the Nets - the Blazers will take Carter but want New Jersey to throw in an upcoming first-round pick that originally belonged to Golden State.
UPDATE 3: This deal happened. Not sure if you care. But Candace Parker and the biggest Kardashian sister care so I'm passing it along.
The Timberwolves and Kings have agreed in principle to a deal that will send Shelden Williams and Bobby Brown to the Timberwolves, two sources told ESPN.com's Chad Ford.
In exchange, the Kings will receive Rashad McCants and Calvin Booth, the sources told Ford.
UPDATE 4: As you've been hearing Larry Hughes goes to the Knicks in exchange for Jerome James and Tim Thomas. If the players in this trade were TV shows they would be on TV Land at 2:00 a.m.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Ben's gonna trade all the guys who post "first" in thread to the "Thunder" blog
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I would have been okay with that.
But then they sent Tyson Chandler back. I am not officially off of that bandwagon. At least until something else good happens for them. :p
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
Er.
I’m not sure how that not ended up in there, but it completely reversed what I was going to say. Funny how that works.
Should read: “I’m officially off of the bandwagon.”
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
Just to make sure I understand ...
So, you are now UNofficially ON the bandwagon; i.e., behind the scenes, off the record, nudge nudge, wink wink.
I thought it was some tradition on this site to be excessively annoying...
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
Good point
It’s just that Dave has asked more than once that “first” only be used in the game day threads and it is turning into an epidemic.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Ben posted "first" on my thread
He’s clearly gone Durant crazy, and wants to go to the “Thunder” blog himself.
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I can't wait for the business to open for today!
by Dr. Strangelove on Feb 19, 2009 5:33 AM PST reply actions
I can't wait for it to end.
6 hours or mania to go.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Ben how many registered are there in Blazersedge?
Just curious.
by Dr. Strangelove on Feb 19, 2009 5:35 AM PST reply actions
Users, presumably
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
It's funny..
if you read it in the character’s voice.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I think he meant
“certified”, as in “not of right mind”.
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Please KP...
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE A TRADE!
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy+Bayless=Dynasty. Believe
Barrett's take:
The trade deadline is here, as you know, and everyone is buzzing about what the Trail Blazers will do. I could be totally wrong with my read on this, but I have to say I’ll be surprised if they do anything more. I know they’ve been offered a ton of deals, but I just don’t get the feel that anything is pending.
Part of me will be happy if they don’t make a deal. I am like you, a fan, and the whole prospect of trading for someone to get this team over the hump is exciting to think about. But, you never want to be forced into thinking you have to make a trade. I don’t think this team is at that point.
The pieces are in place for the future. I’m just not sure if the future, as hard as it is for all of us to admit, is right this minute. Patience is never a bad thing in a position like this, and you don’t want to make a huge mistake that you’ll have to live with for a long time. You agree with that?
It’ll be an interesting few hours, no matter what happens. I know the players the Blazers do have will be relieved following the deadline. No matter what you’ve heard, it’s been a distraction. McMillan told me as much before the game
Which media person knows the most about this situation? I’d say give J. Quick a call and see what he thinks. Man, this is a tough one to call !!!
Ben
I thought we had a talk about no Red Bulls after games. Don’t tell me you woke up early for the trade deadline.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Would anyone be happy...
…if the trade ends up being for Vince Carter?
"You've been warned...!"
A Stern Warning : http://www.asternwarning.com
YES!
That’s who I’m hoping we get. If KP is reading this, DO IT!
Oden+Roy+Aldridge+Rudy+Bayless=Dynasty. Believe
There will be no more trades for the Blazers.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I would not be unhappy with a stagnant day
I have to admit I wasn’t high on VC at first, though various sites, such as Truehoop have convinced me he could be good for any team that takes him on.
My gut still would not want to make a move unless it’s for Crash/RJeff.
"You've been warned...!"
A Stern Warning : http://www.asternwarning.com
I don't want VC unless Roy, Bayless, or Rudy is thrown into the deal.
We don’t need any more guards.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
NBA.com says he's a guard
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/vince_carter/
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Shoots, so does Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Carter
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I guess I stand corrected
I always just saw him as a SF after he played SF for so long in Toronto since T-mac was playing shooting guard. The lineup was
C – Antonio Davis
PF – Charles Oakley
SF – Vince Carter
SG – T-Mac
PG – Doug Christie
I guess now he probably plays more guard. He plays both equally well.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 19, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
He's 6'6 and crazy athletic
He can play the SF if he needs to. That said, one of our guards would probably be thrown into the deal anyway.
The report from espn today is that Portland's insisting on getting a first round pick in any deal for Vince
Here’s the link. There’s a lot about Portland through the various posts. Still talking to Jersey, the Bucks, and the Bobcats.
Carter is the most productive guy the Blazers are looking at, and contrary to popular belief, there’s no truth to the whole “locker room cancer” mythology. There’s a difference between a guy who allegedly didn’t play hard for a bad team (the Raptors) because he wanted to be dealt, and a guy who causes friction everywhere he goes.
That being said, he is old. Old enough that KP might trade for him just so he has somebody other than Joel to talk to on away flights. But, do you take the old guy who averages 20-5-5 and has a PER over 20? Yeah, especially when you’ve got his understudy in place already.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Yeah
We get Carter only if KP thinks the future is set, and he’s looking at prying the window open early.
And the Bynum injury may make him think we could actually make a run at it this year with a guy like Carter. I don’t know if that’s possible or not, but if we get Carter, we’ll know KP thinks we can make noise now.
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I agree with you
and I also think that’s the case.
RLEC+ Frye for Carter it’s a big yes for me.
We’d have a shot at winning the title right now.
The only player I’d want more is Butler
Dude, KP drives a hard bargain
The latest has the Nets wanting Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye for Vince Carter and Maurice Ager.
Last night it was RLEC and Sergio and Outlaw for Carter. Now it’s RLEC and Channing? AND he’s still pushing for a 1st round pick? Crazy biz.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
It feels like Monopoly
when one guy owns the whole board and starts making crazy dictator-esque demands.
yah, and right now KP is trying to trade his Light Blues for Yellows,
telling everyone that the blues are a better value in this economy and that hotels can be built much cheaper on blues than yellows.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
Vinsanity
The only way Carter would be any benefit to this team is when he uses his senior discount when they go out to eat on road trips.
Barf
by kikifromdowntown on Feb 19, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I used to feel that way, until I learned yesterday that he's 6'6" tall and a 20 ppg scorer...
………………………. But he’s not the target. Too much noise for that to be the guy.
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i seriously doubt we make a trade today, but i have a question:
at what point do we transition between “let it bake” and “make it better” (to borrow from Canzano’s column today)? I just worry we may be passing up an opportunity we won’t have again soon, but maybe I’m a little impatient.
I think the cake comes out of the oven after the playoffs this year.
After it cools, it will be ready for the frosting right around the draft.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
our trade window was opened up by the Ike trade
but ti is still only good through until Feb 18th 2010 when the trade exception expires. We’ll be around 7-9 million under the cap after this season ends. Plus we have a 3 million trade exception. Can those be combined to bring in a player for up to 12 million between now and then? I’m not sure, but I am sure than Tom Penn knows the answer. WE might also pack a young guy and take back additional salary on par with a newer max contract, such as Deng.
What I see most is that KP made lemonade out of the Darius return fiasco by extending his flexibility to make trades up to next years trade deadline. And by all accounts expectations are that the economy to be near its lowest around the draft and the start of FA. KP is all set to take advantage at that time to buy a player or two really low.
i dont believe its combinable
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by Philthyanimal on Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
KP is in an enviable position
Here’s why I think there will be a deal:
Only a couple of teams have the resources to be “buyers” in this trade deadline market. We saw what OKC’s $10 million of expirings got: a starting-caliber center. We’ve got $12 million that’s paid for by insurance. That is a huge chip in this climate. We will have our picks of offers, which it seems from the rumors are Gerald Wallace, VC and Richard Jefferson. KP will stare down those 3 teams and take the best offer on the table right before the deadline.
Outlaw is toast. Probably Sergio, too. But those are good players. Given RLEC’s value in this market, that trio should be able to net us something great. The only other big expiring contract is Szczerbiak’s and Cleveland doesn’t have the same needs as we do, so teams looking to unload expensive (and talented) SFs will only be able to deal with us. I like our position.
That's how I see it, too. We're in a position of strength.
We don’t have to do a deal at all. Lots of other teams are desperate. That’s why I had to laugh when I read what Chris Sheridan had to say about Nets GM Rod Thorn:
My two cents on the Vince Carter thing: Rod Thorn drives a hard bargain, and he usually holds firm at the deadline until the other guy decides whether to blink. And on this one, my gut tells me that if Thorn can get the Blazers to give him Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a bunch of those extra second-round picks the Blazers are holding (their own, New York’s and Denver’s in 2009; their own and the Bulls’ in 2010) along with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, the Nets will go for it.
If the Blazers did that deal, it would forever be remembered in Portland as The Insanity That Became Vinsanity. I’m surprised he didn’t have us throwing Brandon in there, too.
chris sheridan
is ESPN.com’s worst NBA writer. He’s more provincial than an angry momma grizzly. If it’s not about the Knicks or the Nets, he’s talking out of his bum, and if it IS about them, he’s usually too close to it to offer any impartiality.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
No trades please.
We have Batum and Webster plus Travis and Roy to play the 3.
We have Blake, Sergio plus Bayless and Roy to play the 1.
We don’t need any other 1’s and 3’s.
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Does anyone wonder if Raef is nervous about getting traded?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Do you think he'll pass the physical?
Turf toe is nasty stuff.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
He hasn't gotten out of bed since August
If he hs to go report somewhere, he’s gonna be TICKED. OFF.
And when Raef is angry, he creates LaPAIN.
The NBA has Raef LaFrenzy Fever!
Morty!
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I like how Ben thought it safest to have us all gathered in one place
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
today's "early practice" has me wonderin' if something else is up
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
It's to keep the guys focused
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
and off this site . . . .crap...another patient ......gtg
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
me too
if I had to choose i’d choose him.
by SteveBlakeFan on Feb 19, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Wallace is only shooting .250 from 3 pt distance.
I love his defense but lousy outside shooting concerns me greatly.
by upper left corner on Feb 19, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
You could say that about a lot of shooters.
By the same logic, Sergio is a good 3pt shooter because half of his 3s are contested/no shot clock/at the buzzer.
Still not very good
Hopefully he would improve with more open looks here in PDX.
by upper left corner on Feb 19, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
The Blazers are #2 in the league in offensive efficiency with Batum and Outlaw running at SF
Unless Wallace is considerably less of an offensive player than Outlaw and Batum, we will remain at #2 in offensive efficiency. I like this trade because Wallace adds something Outlaw lacks, without being a burden offensively, which is defense. If KP can find a way to add defense without subtracting offense, he’s making progress.
by SteveBlakeFan on Feb 19, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Trout is shooting .404
That is a lot better than Crash. I agree Wallace would look great in a Blazer uni: good defense, good rebounding, excellent slasher; but I think spacing is a real issue.
by upper left corner on Feb 19, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
If Wallace came to the Blazers...
He’d be shooting the corner three, wide open. His percentage would sky-rocket. Spacing is determined by the coaching staff.
Wallace is Bruce Bowen on roids.
uh oh, i didnt realize he was that bad
butler’s only 32% i think (correct me if wrong).
my choice would have been wallace but this gives me some pause
ignacio
if 3 point shooting is what we need there is no reason to make a trade
Martell is an amazing 3 point shooter. He’s not going to be out for very long if you’re looking forward.
by SteveBlakeFan on Feb 19, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Still leaning toward standing pat
VC was intrguing for five seconds but really nothing out there excites me. Unless there’s some blockbuster nobody knows about.
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and yet terribly funny! That picture actually was the Gasol reaction to the blockbuster trade Memphis pulled off yesterday in acquiring Chris Mihm!
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If I lived in Portland...
I would HAVE to take a vacation day and spend it at the sports bar with wifi glued to espn, refreshing my browser every 3 seconds, and trying not to spill beer on my keyboard when the Blazers pick up a potential all-star at the three spot PLUS a first round pick for RLEC + Sergio.
Screw it, I might as well do that anyway…
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I dunno if something that big will happen
My favorite rumor was the Granger one from Quick. That made me laugh. We will probably see a Jefferson move at biggest.
I think we must question the credibility of the information that is availible to us
I don’t think KP would be playing his cards right if he let us know, let alone the national media what is going on. That’s why its tough to speculate what he’s trying to pull. It’s definitely going to be an interesting 4 hours and 28 minutes!
by SteveBlakeFan on Feb 19, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
I have the day off but the trade deadline ends at 10 my time
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I'm skipping my once a week seminar
for a “job interview” so I can sit in front of my computer obsessively refreshing ESPN, RealGM, BE, and SI for the next four hours.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
Time never goes so slowly as when you are watching the clock.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
The latest from Chad Ford
All eyes are on Portland right now. As of early this morning the Trail Blazers were still talking to at least three teams: the Nets, the Bucks and the Bobcats.
Sources say that the Blazers still prefer a deal for Gerald Wallace, but are struggling to get something done. The Bobcats turned down an offer for Wallace yesterday, but came back to Portland last night looking for more assets for a Wallace deal. The Blazers have refused to part with Nicolas Batum so far and don’t want to take back Nazr Mohammed and his contract in return.
The Bucks have had ongoing discussions with the Blazers about a Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour swap. But it sounds like the Blazers want more assets (read Ramon Sessions or a first-round pick) to take back Jefferson’s contract.
The same is true for their talks with the Nets. Last night it sounded like there was some agreement on players. The latest has the Nets wanting Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye for Vince Carter and Maurice Ager. The outstanding issue is the Blazers’ insistence that the Nets include the Golden State Warriors’ 2011 first-round pick, owned by New Jersey..
Trade or no trade??
I think we do it. I’m hopin’ for Wallace and Sessions – just dreamin a bit.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
batman yea!
gotta keep that kid…. those blocks last night— maybe only lebron and tayshaun prince could have gotten to those.
Raef and Channing for Vince + change?
That’s like getting him for nothing!
Of course, hold out for the best possible offer, but that is amazingly good.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
Lets just remember that RLEC isn't nothing.
He doesn’t play for our team so he has not value to us in the present, but his contract represents a different player in the future. The value of that player in the future is yet to be determined.
by SteveBlakeFan on Feb 19, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Free Agent Signings Suck
I’d rather not let RLEC expire, and overpay a free agent in the off season.
USE HIM NOW!
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
RLEC can also be uesd for an unbalanceed trade next season
Cap space is as versatile as it gets when making trades. I think we are more restricted in off-season trade this summer until we resing or resind the rights to mthe buffet of goodness. Kp will trade now if another GM flinches. If no one dose flinch, then we can still get a very lopsided trade in our favor up to next year’s trade deadline using the capspace and the trade exception.
I love this deal
I like that we are getting VC at a last day of the garage sale discount, but still insisting on a first round pick…whatever happens, i love how KP negotiates.
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by ripcityinSantiago on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
KP is in a position of strength
NJ is not. They have no comparable offer. He’s going to milk it for all he can, including that pick.
My guess is we end up giving up either another bit player or one of our picks for that 2011 pick. That thing might be golden.
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Carter makes us a contender
statistically, he’s having an incredible, all-star type season.
AND a 2011 first? From GS? Sign me up.
If they say no to the pick
Do it anyway. That trade is such a steal. Shoot, I’d almost want to throw in someone else because of playing time issues.
Nope
They need this deal more than we do.
We might have to give up something more to get the pick, but grab it while the getting is good.
If you feel guilty, send Sergio. (I know he is ONE player you don’t want to send, so that’s why I chose him).
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Well
Just because they need it more than we do doesn’t mean we should get too stingy about it.
RLEC+Frye for VC would be awesome. However, if they weren’t willing to do that, I’d still throw in Outlaw.
And honestly, I don’t mind seeing Sergio traded if I think it helps the team. Just do it to the Eastern Conference so he can’t come back and bite us in the butt later.
KP works very, very hard
at assessing not only what other teams want but also how much they are willing to pay for it. IF that deal is on the table AND he wants it, he’ll do it, unless he is quite sure he can get more. And if he can get more, this isn’t a charity he’s running — he should get more.
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my gut tells me KP will get a 1st round pick or their will be no trade
The pick will be his insurance. We will be well on our way to contention and a good first round pick in 2-3 more year willl give us an opportunity to get a replacement piece to keep building toward the future. KP is playing to his strengths… the draft.
Unless VC makes us a contender this year
there is no point to the trade without the pick. VC is 32 with a bad contract. A trade without the pick even for only RLEC and Frye is all short game, which is not the area this team should look for improvement in unless we become instant contenders. A pick makes the short and long term gains worth the risk IMO
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well
the Vince Carter contract will become a super expiring in 2011-2012. Only four million is guaranteed. A team can trade for the full value of his contract at the 2011 draft, cut him, and only pay four million.
It’s just like Raef… a super expiring contract right when he’s done playing.
32 isn't terribly old
He’s got another 3-4 good years in him. By that time whoever we still have out of Bayless/Sergio/Batum/Rudy will be hitting/in their primes.
KP is driving a hard bargain.
That trade for Vince Carter is ridiculous. RLEC and Frye for Carter and the team turning that down is Portland because it wants more? Wow.
Is Ridnour "good"?
I saw him put up some pretty decent numbers for the Bucks this season. I’m also a fan from his days at Oregon. If we acquired him AND had to give up Sergio to do so, would Jerryd or Luke be the backup?
Luke>Jerryd? Thoughts?
Nate likes Luke.
There are concerns about his shooting but he’s not really that bad… just never gets open looks because of the teams he’s played for.
Jeryyd >>>>>>>>>> Luke
Ridnour is the opposite of good. If he ends up in Portland and plays ahead of ANYBODY, there should be an investigation into what scandolous pictures he has of David Stern. That would be the only explanation for two differnent teams putting him ahead of Sessions and Jerryd and Sergio on the depth chart. It baffles the mind.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Just as a stat update
Ridnour currently plays a full 31 minutes a game, shoots 42% and 30% from 3p. He scores 10.7ppg and dishes 5.7 assists. Those aren’t “bad” numbers. The shooting isn’t great, I agree. Shots 89% from the line and averages 2 turnovers a game, which isn’t a ton for 31 minutes of PG duties.
From what I see here, he’d be a pretty good back up in the Sergio mold. Neither is a great shooter, but they share the ball and can run the offense. Looks like Jerryd probably has more potential to be a scorer and a creator, but the experience of playing 30+ minutes for any NBA team shouldn’t be overlooked. But Ridnour is 28 (did you know?), and Jerryd is a T-Rex, making him over 65 million years old.
Ridnour
would probably backup Blake this year, and be third string next year (or traded this summer).
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Haven't seen a ton of him, but...
Despite his three point numbers, he seems to be a much better midrange shooter, with nowhere near Sergio’s pasing ability or quickness getting into the paint. I see him more in the Blake mold than the Sergio mold. He’s like Blake without the three point stroke.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Journeyman PG
No point in getting him when we have a superior Blake, an equal and younger Sergio, and a rookie Bayless.
yep---
why isn’t devin harris being discussed?
also, y’all think KP wished he dealt for him last year when he had the opportunity??
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
For the same reasons you want to discuss him
Teams don’t discuss young all-star point guards on reasonable contracts. Of course everyone wishes KP dealt for him.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
That is a myth
If KP could have got his hands on him last year, he would be on the team.
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by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Luke. Hands down.
If Sergio comes off the bench in front of Bayless then you can bank on Ridnour coming off first in Sergio’s stead.
Let’s face it: Bayless has a lot to contribute but he is not ready for prime time yet. He makes too many poor decisions.
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by EngineerScotty on Feb 19, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
You know
even if we trade for a SF and blow our cap space, we could still just offer Sessions the mid level exception and see if the Bucks match. If they have no one to take Jefferson of their hands, maybe it could happen?
How about B-dizzle?
Yes, a Baron Davis rumor.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11642
Just providing the link.
Wouldn't Travis have to go in a trade for a 3?
Seems like it would be awfully crowded with Rudy, Brandon, Travis, Martell, Nic, and the acquisition at the wings.
I'm guessing
Nic would get bumped out of the rotation in a trade for a 3. Martell is a different issue when he gets back, but so far, there isn’t really anything concrete about his return, he may just sit out the remainder of the year if it’s not healing well/high re-injury risk
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
If we trade for Jefferson or Carter
I’d leave Batum in the starting lineup. Jefferson would be a GREAT bench scorer, but as a starter there’s just not enough shots.
I don't disagree about our early game troubles
But I just wonder where the shots are going to come from with Blake, Roy, RJ/VC, Aldridge and Oden. And our bench scoring SEEMS like it should be more troubled, with guys like Sergio and Przybilla in there, neither of which is known for scoring.
My opinion would be that our current starting lineup should be able to score points. And a bench of Sergio, Rudy, RJ/VC, Outlaw and Przybilla seems pretty solid to me.
Our bench > other teams bench in scoring.
The problem is that with Oden, Batum and for the last chunk of games having Sergio in the starting line up gives us a very weak scoring line up.
Taking shots away from the PG and giving them to a SF who can score will help immensely in starting out games strong. It will take lots of pressure off of LMA and Roy and get them both more open shots, and if it’s a good shooter such as Vince or RJ then the inside shouldn’t be too clogged for Oden.
Rudy AND VC/RJ cutting to the hoop for oops?
We will win games solely on the fact that other teams morals will be shattered when we lob for oops on 27 consecutive plays.
We've already been shattering other teams' morals
by trading away Zach, and dumping Darius, and….
I think you meant morale. :)
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From yahoo
Blazers up ante for Carter
As the market dries up on Vince Carter’s expensive contract, the Portland Trail Blazers have raised the price on the New Jersey Nets to complete a trade. Portland now wants a first-round draft pick, a league executive familiar with the talks said Wednesday night.
The Blazers and Nets have discussed several scenarios centering on Carter, including one that would send the eight-time All-Star guard, Maurice Ager and Chris Douglas-Roberts to the Blazers for Raef LaFrentz, Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez. So far, the source said, the Nets are balking. But the Blazers are counting on the fact that several Carter suitors – including San Antonio, Dallas and Houston – just don’t have the comparable assets to make a deal.
"I know they are desperate to trade Vince and teams know that," the source said. "And now teams are looking to rob them."
Teams are dubious of the Blazers’ claims that LaFrentz’s expiring contract has drawn leaguewide interest. Portland is considering using LaFrentz’s expiring contract on multiple deals, including Milwaukee’s Richard Jefferson.
Do it.
This sets us up to have Vince in the last three years of his prime, then he becomes a super expiring contract.
KP. Please.
Roy and Carter -
Who takes the last shot?
Who complains the most afterwards b/c they didn’t take it?
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Roy
Carter has never wanted to be the Jordan type. He is a no. 2 guy… heck, he lets Devin Harris take the last second shots in NJ.
ive seen vc miss a lot of last second shots when he was in his prime
kidd would give it to him, doug collins would speculate that he would go the basket, he’d hesitate, the clock would wind down, he’d finally put up some fallaway j and then clank.
i was rooting for him, too.
ignacio
He's certainly not a BAD clutch shooter
This year I watched his game in Toronto, where he hit a buzzer-beating 3 to send it to overtime, and then a buzzer-beating alley-oop dunk to win the game. He did this while The Raptor crowd (who hates him) was frantically booing him.
I was impressed.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 19, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
I want Vince.
Coached by Dean Smith, has been an allstar. Twilight of his career, I think he wants a chance to get a ring.
Contenders? Not really.
But he might get us to the second round of the playoffs, rather than being swept out of the first round, as I am predicting.
Possibly
His presence would make everyone on the court better offensively.
He can spread the court by knocking down the 3, but he can also punish teams taking it to the hoop. Right now, our SFs probably draw on average 2 fouls a game. Bump that up to 5, at least, and you get the other guys in foul trouble, as well. Plus, he is a decent defender. Plus, there is the knock-on benefit that the other team’s wing players will get very, very tired having to defend Vince and Brandon.
In the playoffs, when points are hard to come by, a guy who can always get a score, who can just take over a game with his scoring, can be very valuable.
Yes, it could make us contenders right now. Some other things would have to come together, especially improved play from Greg, but it could happen.
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yup
and even if it doesn’t make you a contender this year, the blazers will still be a heck of a lot better. The blazers are not as good as their record indicates. Winning games down the stretch of the season hasn’t been a strength for the blazers and I think you are starting to see them wobble a bit over the last several games, even if they are pulling out W’s. There is basically no risk from a basketball standpoint, Carter WILL be an upgrade over Outlaw even if his production drops considerably(unlikely btw). If he fits in like a glove, our team is scary this year and flat out frightening next year with some minor summer tweaking…
RUDY > MJ
In the short run - he'll get us to the 2nd round next year, maybe this year...
In the long run, not much – gives us another RLEC in 2011
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Does his game fit Nate's scheme for the SF?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Probably so
Take the shots Outlaw is getting, and give them to one of the best and most consistent offensive players in the league. VC can hit the outside shot, take it to the rack, draw fouls, pass, and rebound. He’s the real deal.
And, according to Abbott’s piece the other day, there’s not a single advanced statistics guru in the league who isn’t high on Carter. His adjusted plus/minus is off the charts – along the lines of great team-oriented guys like Battier.
Will he still be a stud in two years? Who knows. But by then, the Blazers won’t need him to be. I’d rather have a guy like Wallace who could be part of the entire championship window, but Carter unquestionably does more to open that window NOW.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I want CP or LJ
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I checked
To try to make fun of you, but Chris Paul is the only CP. There is a Linton Johnson, though. Is that who you meant?
LeBron Yo!
I don’t how people think KP is all that then they are fine with him settling for VC.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
All right
GUNS UP LET’S DO THIS!
LEROOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEENKINS!
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's trade Tom, I mean Dragline, for the guy who runs the Celtics blog...
That guy has written some good stuff about the Blazers. Get him on board. GET IT DONE KP!!
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
we need a pg ASAP,
i’m tired of sergio running into the paint, getting stuck and having roy or travis bail him out at the last second
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What about Steve Blake?
He is easily the most overlooked and underrated blazers.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Latest Rumor> Larry Miller warns other teams to make a trade or else!
Larry Miller sent out a terse email to all NBA GMs today warning that if they don’t make a trade with Portland that gives them everything they want that something really bad might happen and they can forget about any free rides in one of Paul Allen’s little play boats.
SI.com
Ian Thomsen says that Jefferson is off the market and the Blazers are now mulling trade possibilities for Carter or Wallace only.
Why would they take Jefferson off the market at this point?
Is it because teams were insisting on Sessions? I don’t get it.
Deluded
into thinking that they’re a playoff team? I dunno. 95.5 the game had an interview this morning with the bucks’ beat writer in which he said that for jefferson and ridnour, “people in the know” like himself and bucks fans would expect back rudy, travis, and RLEC. so we know there’s at least SOME delusion going on over there.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Bucks (until last night) had been playing very well, despite losing their best two players to injury.
I think they might want to see what happens with this group.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
Rudy!!
That’s bizarre.
Memo to Bucks fans “in the know:” Have fun paying Jefferson $13 mil a year to carry you to the 10 seed every year.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
If Bogut comes back next year, playing the way he has this year while not injured,
then they are in playoff contention, hands down. That gets fans excited, and puts people in the seats. And just might make up the difference of going into luxury tax hell.
You sell the Bucks too short.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
I agree they could be in playoff contention, but...
Is that really where you WANT to be, when you have a max guy (Redd) and a near max guy (Jefferson) who are both in their late primes, at best?
I can see the Bucks contending for a playoff spot, since the bottom half of the East is weak, but I can’t see any chance of them entering the upper echilon with this core. Unless your goal is to MAYBE make the playoffs SOMETIME in the next four years, with no shot at being a legit contender, I think you have to rebuild.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I can't tell how connected Thomsen is...
Sometimes he seems to know his stuff, sometimes not.
Surprising, to say the least, that the Bucks would take Jefferson off the market. If they wanted to move him for an expiring deal for the past two weeks, why wouldn’t they do so now?
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
ben said
yesterday that he and chad ford are two of the most connected individuals at the national level, so he’s probably worth at least paying attention to, if not necessarily believing as gospel.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Bucks fans breathe a collective sigh of relief.
Nothing is worse than trading talent for salary relief.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
If KP pulls off a major trade...
We owe it to the franchise to all buy however many tickets to games we can. Paul Allen gives us the opportunity to take advantage of other teams’ need to shed salary. But he won’t keep it up, if we don’t keep the garden full.
Ummm
We’ve sold out 50some games in a row now. Can’t imagine us NOT continuing to sell out if we grab a guy like VC.
Also, I think ticket prices going up like 6% next year, but no biggie. We’re among the lower prices in the NBA right now anyway.
I know... I'm just saying...
After seeing some games in other cities this year… PA is not going to spend money to get attendence like other teams are getting.
We'll be fine
It’s winter in Portland. Nothing else to do!
The only reason our sellout streak ever stopped is because we have pieces of trash on our team that weren’t worth watching.
3 hrs
lets go KP get something done…..
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KP Cellphone Battery Dead> Got so busy I forget to replace it.
No wonder I wasn’t getting any calls this morning…
i don't trust anyone until it's really done.
all writers want to sound like they’re in the know….
Blazer fan in NYC!! REPRESENT!!!
SI.com
Jamison going nowhere. Looks like the Wiz are serious about seeing what their core can accomplish. We’re not getting Butler then.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
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Just been confirmed by Chad Ford
but his source adds that, although it’s unlikely, the Blazers will not turn down a great deal from either NJ or Charlotte.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
KP playing hardball
They need the deal more than we do. Especially NJ.
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Just read that as well
Only thing about it that bums me out about it is sitting here hitting refresh for the last week to no avail
muppet indeed
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the Blogfather @ ESPN speaks & it's big!
POSTED: Feb. 19 — 11:58 a.m.
Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: A plugged in source just told me that the Blazers are done, and will not be making any moves before the deadline.
Of course, a great offer at the last minute could change that, but that’s considered unlikely.
What’s this about? All that talk and no big move?
Part of this, I think, is that they have been driving a hard bargain. Another part of is that they are in a position to use Raef LaFrentz’s cap room this summer, plus their new trade exception, when the market will be depressed thanks to the economy. Portland will likely be able to make either a lopsided trade or a free-agent signing.
Another part of it is that I’m convinced Portland gets into some trade talks as pure intelligence gathering.
By negotiating with the Nets about Vince Carter, the Bucks about Richard Jefferson, the Bulls about Luol Deng, the Kings about John Salmons, the Bobcats about Gerald Wallace — and a zillion other such talks — the Blazers get real insight into what everybody really wants. They get to fill in the the blanks about the 29 other team strategies. It’s like seeing the other team’s playbook.
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 19, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
nooooooo
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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Free agent signings rarely pan out
and they’re almost always overpaid.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
What free agents
I have seen the list and the only interesting name is Turkuglo
if there’s no deal today, our best hope is a sign and trade around draft day
I don’t want a lump of coal in my stocking, KP Claus!
The logic here seems to be that KP thinks better deals are ahead... might be true...
KP does his dealin in the summer – nuff said
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Patience. . .
is a virtue. Trust in KP.
by Thornz503 on Feb 19, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but
How am I supposed to spend the rest of my work day without dissecting every aspect of the new trade.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 19, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Simple
Start scouting the draft and guessing who KP will trade and who he will grab on draft day.
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Great
Thanks for the advise. This Cole Aldrich from Kansas is looking like a stud. Too soon?
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 19, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe anything I hear from anybody ever, least of all from KP’s office. That could very well be just something they dangled out there to entice better 11th-hour offers.
Yah, but...
that stuff about intelligence gathering doesn’t seem as though it would inspire other teams to deal or talk with us
When you have as much talent as we do plus the Raef contract, you can’t not talk to us. I laughed when I read all that stuff about “GMs won’t do business with Portland after the Miles email”. Uh-huh. What a load. They’ll do business with anyone who makes them money or makes their team better, that was all posturing and media hype.
The big difference between Blazers mgt and many other front offices is that KP gets the internet and the speed of information these days and uses it to his advantage. You think folks in Netsville aren’t saying right now, “Sh*t, Blazers say they’re done. We might have to cough up that 1st-rounder after all…”
Sure it would
If the Blazers tell Charlotte that they’re done and they’re not making a deal, the ’Cats might get desperate and accept the deal w/o Batum or w/o Nazr
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
exactly.
Make yourself that much more unavailable, and the suitors line up to satisfy you. It’s worked for hot girls for hundreds of years.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Feb 19, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
Still making myself unavailable...
It won’t be long now until the whole world is begging for a piece of Lenny.
Or not.
I guess it doesn’t work for the Blazers either…..this time.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Feb 19, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
aint enough room for him and shaqs ego
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by lanepete on Feb 19, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lebron and shaq that is
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great
like him or not, the suns are a better team with him and any deal that brings back wallace and pavlovic is a good one for portland.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Chad Ford: (12:04 PM ET ) I was told by a Blazers source that chances are, as of 11:30 a.m ET, the Blazers won’t do a major deal. Their talks with the Nets, Bucks and Bobcats aren’t totally dead, but there’s been little movement right now.
Henry Abbott of True Hoops just wrote the Blazers are done... no trade.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
"Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: A plugged in source just told me that the Blazers are done, and will not be making any moves before the deadline.
Of course, a great offer at the last minute could change that, but that’s considered unlikely.
What’s this about? All that talk and no big move?
Part of this, I think, is that they have been driving a hard bargain. Another part of is that they are in a position to use Raef LaFrentz’s cap room this summer, plus their new trade exception, when the market will be depressed thanks to the economy. Portland will likely be able to make either a lopsided trade or a free-agent signing.
Another part of it is that I’m convinced Portland gets into some trade talks as pure intelligence gathering.
By negotiating with the Nets about Vince Carter, the Bucks about Richard Jefferson, the Bulls about Luol Deng, the Kings about John Salmons, the Bobcats about Gerald Wallace — and a zillion other such talks — the Blazers get real insight into what everybody really wants. They get to fill in the the blanks about the 29 other team strategies. It’s like seeing the other team’s playbook.
Chad Ford: A Blazers source says the Blazers are now leaning strongly toward not making a major trade before the deadline. They have been in talks with the Nets, Bucks and Bobcats for days, but as of 11:30 a.m. they say nothing is hot.
Says one Blazers source, “I don’t see a deal. We like our players long term. We don’t want to mess with our chemistry.”
The Blazers have looked at everyone from Gerald Wallace to Richard Jefferson to Vince Carter. But up until now, they haven’t been able to come to a deal they’re willing to do. They’ve wanted draft picks from the Bucks and Nets and have been unwilling to take back Nazr Mohammed in a deal with the Bobcats.
However, don’t close the door completely. When pressed, the source conceded that if they got a better offer in the next few hours, it was still possible that they could make a deal.
————————————————————————————————————————
...things go well I might be showing my O face...O...O...O...you know what I'm talking about.
anyone ever consider adding a player would IMPROVE team chemistry and not detract from it?
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I wish. . .
that a simple deal could be done for Sergio, to bring cap relief, or bring in a bruiser PF. This would clear room for Bayless to develop and give us a better bruising frontcourt play off the bench.
Stephen A. Smith is an idiot...
I just saw him on ESPN and the only thing that he talked about with Portland was David Lee. I know that we have wanted him in the past but his name hasn’t even been mentioned lately, get with the program Stephen A.
Red Hot and Rolling
"Stephen A. Smith is an idiot"
*Cue breaking news music
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Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
SAS
is a much better writer than he is commentator. Every time I read his articles, I’m struck by how rational and levelheaded he is.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
When I'm not
compulsively refeshing ESPN and BE, I’ll link ya to a few articles from his archive. He’s a good writer, actually. Just bombastic on TV.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I like the fact that he's still talking about David Lee. THAT'S a guy this team could really use...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
It's the least he could do
After letting Miles grab offensive boards on him and missing most of his open shots.
This is boring.... time to return to college basketball...
i sure hope portland gets homecourt advantage in the 1st round
Don't bet on it.
The moral of the story is this: the playoffs are fine this year, but this isn’t “the” year. Next year…boom goes the dynamite.
All this talk about the trade deadline is meaningless
John Canzano breaks the biggest NBA story of the year – teams can actually make trades after the trade deadline!
“The hunch here is that the Blazers realize they’re in a position of leverage with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract and are willing to hold that contract into the end of the season before making a deal with it. They can trade the contract prior to the end of their season”
"nothing prohibts the Blazers from holding the Raef contract until the last few weeks of the season and then trading it away. "
All these teams are scrambling to make trades this morning – and needlessly! So don’t worry if a trade doesn’t happen by noon…..
OK, I’m turning my sarcasm off now and just go back to laughing!
by Storyteller on Feb 19, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
oh my lord
honestly. how does that guy have a job? that wouldn’t pass muster at my school newspaper. shame on him and on the editors too.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Oooh, now he's made corrections without noting that he's edited his premise
Good thing I got a copy of the original post saved to my computer – I knew that after-the-fact editing would be done at some point.
he already changed it
some commentator in the forum called him out. he’s such a pretentious d…made it sound like all he meant all along was that the blazers can do better in the summer by letting Raef expire.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Canzano can change the internet, but good luck recalling 100,000+ copies of the Oregonian, which printed his idiocy...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Honestly? What is he talking about though, is there any way RLEC could be traded after today or is he 100% wrong?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
It's the latter
Raef cannot be traded after today using his current contract. He could be part of a sign-and-trade this summer, but that defeats the purpose of him having an expiring contract.
did he edit that line out about trading it? now he’s got the new angle which is “better deals will be found this summer”.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 19, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
you bet he did
his journalistic responsibility is zero. that’s shameful.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I saved a copy of the original post
and the first couple of original responses before the changes were made. The quotes I use above were in the original – before the changes.
Can you post the whole thing or are the quotes you changed the only big differences? Why would he think that anyways?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
The 2 quotes I list above
are the only major things that change – he did add a ‘shout out’ to LO Dominating who he says pointed him towards getting more information. Actually, LO Dominating pointed out his mistake and then he probably made some calls, discovered his mistake and is now passing it off as if he never made a mistake in the first place.
The first quote above was the second paragraph in his original blog entry. The second quote was part of his original response to LO Dominating.
is there a journalist
that you respect less than canzano? there isn’t one that I can think of, but you know more about that kind of thing than I do.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
No
At least not one that is currently employed by a reputable news source
The Oregonian
should be ashamed for employing John Canzano. He covers this FOR A LIVING. Next blog post for Canzano:
“My sources are telling me the Blazers have been offered Chris Paul for Raef LaFrentz straight up. Not going to happen. The Blazers have controlled the rights to Chris Paul since he was drafted – the Blazers were the original owners of the pick, so now they can just demand him back and New Orleans has to do it. They don’t have to trade Raef, who provides quality veteran leadership. They’ll just trade Raef midseason next year after they resign him to create another expiring contract.”
by Free Bayless on Feb 19, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
ben?
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Not making a move with RLEC will be KP's first major mistake...
Its time to consolidate some talent, come on KP! Don’t be such a wuss and pull the trigger on something!!!!
RUDY > MJ
There's a reason. . .
it’s called the trade deadline.
The Ruffin/Diogu trade is the Green/Wafer trade of 2009........
Why does KP do this do us every year?
how anti climactic...
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
I have no desire for Turk
but it makes me wonder, because we won’t land a better SF unless we push hard for Marvin Williams
What If?
Henry Abott’s source is Canzano? Since Canzano is basically pushing the fact that he thinks the Blazers won’t make anymore trades?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
i think henry’s source is either KP or TP. the wording given to henry and chad and canzano is virtually identical. there’s still a long way to go.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 19, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
If the souce is KP, it could easily be dezinformatsiia.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Hats off...
to the OMG SUPERIOR WEB TECHNOLOGY of BlazersEdge in having a discussion page that actually auto-refreshes, a technology evidently beyond the grasp of ESPN live cat
I know
I hate the chats on ESPN you have to refresh and then find where you left off.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Never heard this story before
From Henry,
For instance: Remember the 2006 draft? Portland drafted Randy Foye — a player they didn’t want — and forced Minnesota to trade Brandon Roy to them for Foye? That kind of move came from having perfect intelligence. They knew Minnesota wanted Foye and Foye only (but took Roy in a pre-arranged deal with Houston, who picked after Portland, and was going to take Foye to trade to Minnesota). When their man Roy was off the board, instead of taking the best available player, as most teams would have done, they trusted their intelligence and forced a trade for the man they wanted all along.
houston screwed themselves, they drafted rudy gay and traded him for battier
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Oh, I remember that story
One of the all time best Blazer moments.
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Hi, my name's Chad Ford
I regurgitate a bunch of stuff I read on blogs and Hoopshype, attribute it to MY SOURCES, and supply no concrete info whatsoever. That’s right, I’m an NBA insider! Read all about it
Maybe
Are you made of soft plush felt and do you have googly eyes? Do you wave your marionette hands in the air in front of a velvet curtain background?
no, but I occasionaly eat at the Olive Garden and frequent RealGM
doesn’t that give me near Chad Ford status?
Some random “insider” is saying this on RealGM Forums. I really doubt it is true though.
"I just got an update. We are in talks with four teams: Bobcats, NJ, Milwaukee, and Chicago. They all want more than we want to give, but the good news is that KP expects this to turn into a reverse bidding war as the deadline approaches.
Right now KP has gone all in with his pocket aces and is waiting for the other GMs to call or fold."
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Here's a theory: trade deadline trades are usually one-sided
Unless someone can really exploit another team’s financial disadvantage, these speculated trades just don’t happen.
For example: unless Pau Gasol or an uninjured Tyson Chandler falls into your lap…it’s a big tease. Teams basically don’t like mid-season trades unless they are on the brink of a title.
well considering we have the best expiring and all the other teams seem to be in a finanical disadvantage
I think these things have some legs
Sure...but in this case...
t looks like the financial advantage of RLEC, and the chance to save a little money, wasn’t all that important to the Milwaukees of the world. At least, they aren’t in complete fire sale mode….yet. Maybe N.O. is an exception.
I am hoping that KP
is smokescreening somebody by saying he is done trading. Maybe he fully plans on making a trade but wants the other GM’s to panic and make the offer that KP is looking for….
RUDY > MJ
Manny (statesboro ga) [via mobile]: Any news of the hawks in trade talks.
SportsNation Chad Ford: (12:39 PM ET ) No … they’re still the Hawks \
O HOHOHO ME CHAD FORD MAEK FUNY
u really hate that guy dont u?
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luftmans bad
but he doesnt make that stupid of conjectures , just is annoying.
Canzano still sucks
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definitely canzano
if it’s not generic column A, “I’m attacking the blazers for something that probably didn’t but might have happened,” then it’s generic column B, “I’m exploiting someone’s misfortune for the purpose of botching a larger statement about life”.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
The real problem with Canzano
He probably doesn’t believe half of what he writes. He just wants readership. He just wants eyeballs. Sort of like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.
i think that comparison answers the original Q
Canzano sucks.
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Wait a minute
You guys better be getting paid for your Geico endorsement. I have looked at the title of this thread in my tab a ridiculous number of times.
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by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 19, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions
shaq + lebron in cleveland?
jesus, thats gonna be a media-quote spectacle. and to think, in 2 years, both will be gone, and cleveland among the dredges of the nba.
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damnit.. they better trade soon.
I need to get SOME work done today.
coffee and refreshing the page doesnt count as work?
good thing im working remotely….
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Since I'm a very new poster here and I just realized I can post images
A PICTURE PUZZLE FOR RIP CITY
*looks at the entire team*
thats everyone.
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KP is bluffing.
Rod Thorn is getting a KP bluff.
This Ford chat is terrible. It’s just fans asking about their respective teams, and Ford telling them that he hasn’t heard anything
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Worst chat ever
Guy in Dallas: Are the Mavs going to make a move?
Ford: No.
Guy in LA: Are the Lakers going to make a move?
Ford: No.
Guy in Indiana: Are the Pacerss going to make a move?
Ford: No.
Guy in Toronto: Are the Raptors going to make a move?
Ford: No.
And on. And on. And on.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I still
Have a feeling that we end up with VC somehow. He seems like the type of player that Paul Allen falls in love with.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
i might literally cheer and yell
outloud by myself if KP makes a trade.
it might make me inclined to create a shirt that says “Pritch” on the front, “slapped” on the back
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Ooooh, a Blazers jersey, but with PRITCH instead of BLAZERS on the front, and SLAPPED as the name on the back
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
or a pic of the trade on the front
like little portraits of the players involved, then on the back “Pritch Slapped” with the GM’s we have actually pritch slapped
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There’s so many…Roy, Aldridge (kind of), Bayless, Rudy, Sergio, Batum…
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
ahaha i love how u pop in every so often
and post something to this fashion
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Within two hours, I bet there will be people stumbling around the streets of Portland muttering "Pull the trigger, KP, PULL THE TRIGGER!!!"
To no one in particular. I’m picturing Ron Burgundy stumbling around San Diego with a full beard mumbling “milk was a BAD choice.”
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 19, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
frye and RLEC is a no-brainer. I’m all for squeezing every last drop of blood from our trading partners, but you can push too hard.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe that's not really the deal
Why trust one rumor but not others from the same peeps at ESPN?
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Per usual, Mr. Snake is 100% on target...
PULL THE TRIGGER
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Always presuming the right target is in sight
Which none of us can really know.
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I just dont see
How we get anything better than this opportunity in free agency.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Exactly.
I feel the same way. KP is a drafting genius but he is way too hesitant to make any mid-season moves.
If there was actually a Carter/Ager for RLEC/Frye deal or whatever it was and he turned it down he gets an F- from me.
Maybe he’s planning something for the off-season but this seems like a dumb thing to pass up.
Say what you will about a guy like Peter Vecsey...
But at least the guy gets actual scoops. What do you bet that most of Ford’s conversations go like this:
TEAM OFFICIAL: [insert team name here] front office, this is Joe.
CHAD: Hey Joe! Chad Ford here from ESPN!
TEAM OFFICIAL: Oh God, what do you want now
CHAD: Well, I was just curious if there’s anything cooking that you’d like t-
TEAM OFFICIAL: No. Good Lord no. So I can tell you and then you vomit it up to the nation in some ridiculous live chat? No. We’re not trading anybody. The team is relocating to Iceland.
CHAD: Hehe! Well, I j-
TEAM OFFICIAL: Goodbye, Chad.
CHAD: B-
click
(Chad sighs, moves down team standings to next franchise, picks up phone and begins dialing glumly)
by rivetz on Feb 19, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
"and team sources tell me
that the team COULD be moving to iceland……stay tuned folks"
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Prtichard. . .
will do what’s best for the Blazers.
If a deal doesn't come through
then the front office must REALLY think there are some deals sitting around this summer, as lots of teams drown in financial floods.
I’m skeptical. I hope they’re right.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 19, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions
Will someone explain to me why teams seem SO desperate to get under the luxury tax threshold. I mean, the owners are already paying a ton of money to players
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i think it mainly has to do with
operational profits/losses. If a team only makes 20 mill, to cut like 10-15 mill off salary is huge.
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This just in
Some guy in the Ford chat is asking about whether the Bulls will trade Larry Hughes.
What have we done with out lives, people?
To be fair, said guy also put like 10 exclamation points after “Da Bulls”
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Here's Chad's response
“They’ve had talks recently with the Knicks about several different scenarios. They also explored some scenarios with Houston I’m told.”
Now that’s journalism, folks. I like Chad. But…this madness must end.
This one's good, too
"If u was the cavs GM , would u do the shaq trade? "
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
i called in sick today , im really sick but seriously
this anticipation is making me sicker
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
I have a "job interview"
that I’m skipping class for. Who else is “sick” or “has other obligations” today?
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
im working remotely...
but my shoulder is dislocated…
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its not STIL dislocated
:)
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violets in bloom
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hush u
hence it was dislocatED….now it just effin hurts =) get on g-chat
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Raef?
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by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 19, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
i book a conference room at work so no one bothers me while i search for updates on Bedge till noon.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
by broyposse on Feb 19, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thats what i'd do !
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no i really am sick :( it sucks
but yeah if i was at work i’de still be on here ;)
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
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jeez
theres always something wrong with you. fishing for sympathy on the net? jk…i’m as sick and injury prone as greg as well.
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by Philthyanimal on Feb 19, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
This is the one time this year that the time difference has actually been convenient for me. I got home from school at 5 PM here (8 AM PST), and have been refreshing ever since
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
u shouldnt be here =)
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I wish i had a cool story
but im just sitting on my butt because i have nothing to do right now :(
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by Blazin'aTrail on Feb 19, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
my wife is making me watch the view
they are talking about Lebron’s vouge cover being racist and the New York Post cartoon
STILL talking bout that?
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Chad took a Blazer question
Ryan (Portland): After a week of dealing with the Blazers, if a deal doesn’t get done
does, Pritchard run the risk of hurting their ability to talk to teams in the future. Do they look like they are just collecting information?
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:01 PM ET ) I think that’s a nice way of saving face. They were trying to do a deal. Didn’t get what they want. Talked up the value of Raef LaFrentz relentlessly. Then don’t do a deal. I love Kevin Pritchard. But all of the deals he’s made so far have been low risk/high reward for the Blazers. This was the first time he had to stick his neck out there. Adding Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson was a higher risk scenario. I sounds like he didn’t want to roll the dice.
Boomshakalaka
wow, awful formatting
Ryan (Portland): After a week of dealing with the Blazers, if a deal doesn’t get done does, Pritchard run the risk of hurting their ability to talk to teams in the future. Do they look like they are just collecting information?
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:01 PM ET ) I think that’s a nice way of saving face. They were trying to do a deal. Didn’t get what they want. Talked up the value of Raef LaFrentz relentlessly. Then don’t do a deal. I love Kevin Pritchard. But all of the deals he’s made so far have been low risk/high reward for the Blazers. This was the first time he had to stick his neck out there. Adding Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson was a higher risk scenario. I sounds like he didn’t want to roll the dice.
Boomshakalaka
Why does avoiding needless risk require "face saving"?
Sounds fine with me. What he really means is: “KP tells the media what he wants to tell them.”
To call that strategy “face saving” is media self flattery. This, from Chad Ford, who I really do like.
wow
that makes it sound like KP is a wuss
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To the homer (and hopefully the realist) in me
it makes KP sound really smart. Throwing the dice is nice and all if you’re not dealing from a position of strength and KP is in a position of extreme strength. The Blazers don’t NEED to make a move. They don’t need to salary dump, they’ve got viable players at all the position. They haven’t needed to make a move because of great drafting. He just put himself and the team in the position to not have to throw the dice.
by portlandpete on Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
We have the pieces to win a championship in 2 or 3 years, and potentially 2-3 more. The only way you do a deal is if you can either strengthen that team or win one sooner without jeopardizing those future championships. You don’t have to roll the dice, and you shouldn’t unless they are pretty heavily loaded in your favor.
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I have a freind on another site who's a Nets fan
Just got this message from him:
“Druwenk. Needs slepp. Drinking awywya th painn. If ther is a God VC wil stilll be aNet when I wake up. Peaec out.”
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
looks like he has no excuse to be an atheist then
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 19, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds like Pritchard is not blinkig
Charlotte wants Batum. Milwaukie won’t add Sessions to the deal. New Jersey won’t add the GS pick.
Pritch says “ok, I’ll just sit tight then, call me back if you want to do my version of the deal”.
And you know what? It’s a smart move on his part. You don’t settle when you are bargaining from the position of strength.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
In my opinion, the only one of those I would give in to is the Batum in the Wallace deal one
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Batum’s 19, I believe Wallace is 26
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Batum is a stud, but his minutes are gone if we get Wallace, and even more gone when Webster is back.
Maybe
but they also want to dump Nazr’s bad contract on us. Give up Batum, possibly, but give him up and eat that garbage contract, when Batum may be as good as Wallace in two years? No thanks.
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he's not a free agent
for like the next 5 years.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 19, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe so, and if he is, he’s making more than we’ve got to spend
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
not even close
hes got years left on his deal
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
he will never be free.
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Devin Harris has gone from underrated to overrated
I like the Bill Simmons description. It also means he’s gone from (maybe) underpriced to overpriced.
This is boring
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions
Chad took another Blazer question
Jeff (MD): Isn’t Pritchard starting to get Paxson syndrome? A few years ago, Chicago had all the young talent and were reluctant to make a trade. Seems Portland is following the same path.
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:09 PM ET ) It’s an issue in one sense. GMs have a way of falling in love with their young players. That leads them to overvalue their own talent. They become afraid to let them go because they think they may just be another year away from stardom. Thus … you see the Blazers reluctant to include Nicolas Batum in a deal even though he’s given them little sign that he can be a great NBA player. It’s tough when you’re so close to the situation.
Boomshakalaka
That’s the problem, IMO. At some point, we’re going to have to stop talking about upside and start talking about how we can win now
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Also, having to split Sophia with Rufus on Fire would be devastating to the Bedge. Not a sacrifice I’m willing to make for Crash.
For once I agree with Chad
I like holding onto Batum, but I think KP’s being way too risk-adverse here.
Boomshakalaka
I haven't heard an offer today that's worth the risk
VC’s contract is too long and everyone else is injury prone or lame.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I've been criticizing Ford, but that's a great point
It seems silly to me that Batum is holding up that deal, when he’s so unproven
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by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Little sign?
Batum has play great, IMO. Maybe not statistically, but he’s shown signs of being a great defender, and decent scorer. He plays within the system and makes great decisions.
I know, I know, I’m preaching to the choir.
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Written like an East Coast guy who has seen 3 Blazers games this year...
Thus … you see the Blazers reluctant to include Nicolas Batum in a deal even though he’s given them little sign that he can be a great NBA player. It’s tough when you’re so close to the situation.
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It'll be interesting
to hear if any more offers are made.
I have pretty much come down firmly in my mind on these deals:
Carter—No
Jefferson—No
Wallace—Maybe, providing we’re going to run
I want to see what other names are mentioned. I’ll be checking in from time to time.
Oh, and can we stop the racism discussion in this thread? I don’t mind the discussion in general but this thread is too hot to ensure it stays reasoned and productive. Just save it for another time if you would.
—Dave
"productive"
lol
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invitation to discuss racism on BEdge "another time"
triple lol
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Too much money
diminishing returns. They make us better this year but not WCF-level better. Plus Vince has to score tons to be effective. RJ can scrap a little more and Wallace more than him. But I don’t trust RJ, his health, or his production enough to invest that kind of money in him.
—Dave
Not WCF better?
I think VC absolutely puts the Blazers in the WCF mix.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 19, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
This is a question about: #4 this year or #9 this year...
In the playoffs or looking up at the Suns and the Mavericks and Houston?
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Yeah
Dave is wrong, wrong, wrong. I say so, so it’s true, because I am always right, mostly. We’re a legit contender if Carter comes this year.
Different approaches. Jefferson makes us better now and perhaps marginally better in 2-3 years, PERHAPS. Wallace makes us better now and probably in future. Carter makes us much, much better right now for a couple years, and then goes away, which means if we don’t have to give up our future to get him, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Chad Ford is a gem:
you see the Blazers reluctant to include Nicolas Batum in a deal even though he’s given them little sign that he can be a great NBA player.-
Hasn’t Batum started nearly every game for us? Hasn’t he pretty much knocked the socks off of most people with his natural feel for the game? Batum goes nowhere….
RUDY > MJ
yeah, 19 year old kids who start for good teams and don't look out of place are keepers
Boomshakalaka
....... and he couldn't quite shut down Kevin Durant after every other player on the roster failed, either!!!
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Whoops, screwed up my tone there. Yeah, dittos. Nic and Rex you do not trade, period.
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Yeah.....he seems to have a general feel of the game that exceeds his experience
He is no Travis outlaw
and who does Nate put in the game when he needs a stop?
If that doesn’t show a tremendous amount of respect right now, I don’t know what does.
He's their guy of the future. He's a college sophomore right now.
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I don't mind waiting... Better deals or Better Fits ahead...
I like the plan of standing pat right now.
1.) The economy has so many teams in a tail spin, YES we have Mr. Allen, but why should we help other teams out?
2.) With the money freed up by RLEC and the contracts currently in place Portland has a better financial situation over the next 2 years than most of the rest of the league, which means better chance to pay the right player.
3.) It is great that KP doesn’t just give in a pull the trigger on a deal. Proving to us that KP isn’t just trading to trade, he is driving hard deals and not giving away more than they think is advantageous to the franchise.
4.) We are #2 in offensive effiiciency with Outlaw and Batum at the SF… and our starter from last season, Martell, hasn’t even had a chance to contribute, but we will get a boost from him before and during playoffs.
5.) Portland is a playoff caliber team now, and I am not certain that brining in Jefferson or Carter for a two year stint would really mean a lot more wins for the Blazers now, but could affect the future development of players (Martell, Batum, Rudy) or move players that are good bench players and still have upside (Outlaw).
Honestly, I applaud KP for having a Vision and not getting caught up in th flurry. There are bound to be better deals and better fits ahead than Jefferson or Carter. And with the economy continuing to SUCK, more teams might want to dump good players.. . Plus we have that trade exception and who knows what type of player that will bring us.
by Portland Dynasty on Feb 19, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions
This is the false premise which ultimately is the only justification for inactivity today...
Portland is a playoff caliber team now,
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Chad's taking a call.
“Hello, this is Verizon Wireless…..I’m calling about your wireless plan.”
by chnews on Feb 19, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ben
Khloe dumped Rashad McCants.
That’s so last week.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions
speaking of batum...
how sweet was that 3 cubs on 1 batum situation where batum patiently waited for the layup to block?
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions
Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.
It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
Trying to nail it all down for you.
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
This could be a record
More retreads and cap fillers, without a single significant player, in one trade in NBA history.
It’s like the Mount Rushmore of retreads. Jerome James. For Larry Hughes. and so on.
Batum is 19...
He’s starting on a team that will make the playoffs, he has the natural feel for the game, he has the potential to be one of the best defenders in the NBA, and he can seriously be better than Prince someday.
Red Hot and Rolling
So young, so so young
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
for all those
who’ve said “don’t trade Travis, he’ll be like Jermaine ONeal and go be an all star somewhere else”, I say this
Batum has a MUCH greater chance of doing that then Outlaw. Don’t trade this guy.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Ford dishes!
Derek from Detroit: IS IT THE KNICKS MAKING A DEAL????
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:22 PM ET ) Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
Boomshakalaka
Conversation at league office
“Can you believe this? Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James? Make sure you get this on recycled paper…trees shouldn’t die for this.”
“Right. Can this wait till after lunch?”
I think the Nets panic
Something says they’ll decide waiting to see what happens with a 2011 first rounder, isn’t as sexy as cashing in now. Of the three presses that KP is making, that’s the easiest one to resolve:
*No way Batum goes just to get Wallace IMO
*Sessions may come, but losing a player is a much more immediate and personal issue, so I think they might sit pat and not do the deal with PDX
*All they need to do is push NJ into relenting on the pick. It’s not even their own pick originally—even less personal investment. It makes it seem like a freebie, almost.
Carter is the guy I least want, but if he comes without Travis or Frye, AND a pick comes with it, that’s really a nuts bargain, seems like. If he has this year and next left in the tank and is willing to be a team player, it could work.
well, too dramatic a word
I don’t mean literally panic, but the pressure seems to be felt more by NJ to dump Carter, than PDX to pick him up. As roadblocks go, it’s a moveable one, and if it’s truly seen as the fulcrum of the impasse, to get it done, I think the lean is towards relenting.
But....
Giving up Vince Carter, who’s still playing at or close to all-star level, PLUS a first rounder for pure cap relief is a trade you cannot sell to your fans.
It would be bad enough for NJ fans to just give Carter away when they’re far from out of the playoff mix.
The Nets aren’t hurting for money bad enough to make this deal.
I think if anyone blinks, it will be KP. But most likely, the deal just doesn’t go down.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 19, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
according to NJN they are
The hometown scuttle I saw is that people are being open about NJ’s desperation to move Vince to free salary, period. They are really bummed to discover he draws no players of note in return; now they are looking for salary savings and dough. Portland is the best option for the purely cash strapped.
Ha, good one about the team caring what the fans might do. :)
Grrr...Sergio
Travis or Sergio, I mean—if Carter comes without Sergio or Travis leaving. Some scenarios include them I’ve seen, but it sounds like they’re paring it down as it gets later. Dunno. Anyway, bottom line is if they can get NJ to fire sale, it might well be worth it.
rlec + frye for vince + 1st round draft pick would be epic.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions
The First Round pick would be nice but we don’t need it. I dont see why that would hold up this deal.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I just want it to happen so I can rub it into all the Net fans on RealGM that said it would take Rudy to get vince
and I told them it was stupid and won’t happen.
I basically can’t wait for it to be noon so I can salvage some productivity from this wasted day of “work”
Looks like the Knicks and Bulls are making a deal
by samuelleejackson on Feb 19, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions
SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:22 PM ET ) Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 19, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
more than that apparently
I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
For such an 'expert' Chard Ford doesn't seem all that plugged in
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=25146
What the hell is he mumbling about here?? Of all the reasons for the Blazers not to make a trade, fear seems like a really idiotic thing to attribute standing pat to.
"Jeff (MD): Isn’t Pritchard starting to get Paxson syndrome? A few years ago, Chicago had all the young talent and were reluctant to make a trade. Seems Portland is following the same path.
Chad Ford: (1:09 PM ET ) It’s an issue in one sense. GMs have a way of falling in love with their young players. That leads them to overvalue their own talent. They become afraid to let them go because they think they may just be another year away from stardom. Thus … you see the Blazers reluctant to include Nicolas Batum in a deal even though he’s given them little sign that he can be a great NBA player. It’s tough when you’re so close to the situation. "
Um hi, idiot….Batum is a great value and there’s absolutely no hurry to trade him.
Ryan (Portland): After a week of dealing with the Blazers, if a deal doesn’t get done does, Pritchard run the risk of hurting their ability to talk to teams in the future. Do they look like they are just collecting information?
Chad Ford: (1:01 PM ET ) I think that’s a nice way of saving face. They were trying to do a deal. Didn’t get what they want. Talked up the value of Raef LaFrentz relentlessly. Then don’t do a deal. I love Kevin Pritchard. But all of the deals he’s made so far have been low risk/high reward for the Blazers. This was the first time he had to stick his neck out there. Adding Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson was a higher risk scenario. I sounds like he didn’t want to roll the dice.
Blazer Fan
anyone whose team wants to dump a big salary
unbalanced trade FTW. Trade out 7 million in salary, take back 14 million.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I am surprised at how popular Batum is...
I like Batum, but he is definitely trade worthy to me…
If Portland were to move RLEC, Sergio, Frye, and Batum, that would clear up the playing time issues that I see.
Bayless > Sergio for the other PG
Outlaw > Frye for the backup 4-spot
Martell’s 5 year @ 3.3M contract > than almost anything on the market
I could see us moving Batum because Martell is the man that I believe in. Martell could take the backup role at the 3 for a few seasons and still be a reasonable contract. If Wallace could move in at the starting 3, but keeping Outlaw at the 4 and Martell at the 3 for the second unit, how sick is that?
by Portland Dynasty on Feb 19, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions
Batum will be the next Tayshaun Prince
Maybe even better, you never know, you really want to trade that after half a season?
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 19, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Also maybe worse, you never know
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
thats irrelevant, because as you just said, you never know
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 19, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Right
In my opinion, we should start trading some of our “you never know” for some “you do know”, before “you never know” becomes “you know, and you don’t like”
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Two things: (1) He defends better than any other SF on the roster; (2) He's one of the few guys on this team that can run a break properly.
And he is a baby, baby, baby. In the good old days, people would be tickled that you would start a sophomore in the PAC-10, and this kid is starting in the NBA…
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Yes
I heard that VC loves Tualatin, and rain.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
The Viet Cong love Tualatin?
that’s news to me
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
It's true
They carefully avoided attacking it at all during the whole war. That’s why it has so much historical architecture left.
Fascinating
and it would explain the high number of Pho restaurants and Ho Chi Min bookstores around Tualatin.
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
wallace could sure use some of portland's cleaner air.
anything to help out his lungs.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
The more I think about Wallace
the more I like him, injury risk or not. It all depends on the price though…
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 19, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
NJ is not gonna let us steal a pick IMO
So lets just forget it and take Carter off their hands! At first i was against him but the fact is the guy can still ball and I can’t help but think maybe he will be one of those guys that really does well on a playoff team after being on crap teams for so long.
Late Third Quarter?
I usually try to just keep my mouth shut around BE and enjoy the insights of more knowledgeable people than myself , but the rushing mob frenzy to do something, anything before the deadline is driving me insane.
I don’t know how you conclude this is the “late third quarter” for this team’s chances at a title. They have not even made the frickin playoffs yet. I’m not against any and all trades, but the hyperbolic pleading that we must must must do something or civilization in the PNW will collapse just seems born of too much time at the word processor with too much coffee. You know what happens when you do that, a trip to the bathroom is usually in order.
by Leseid on Feb 19, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
hilarious
very t true
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Im happy with the position we are in
If we dont make a move right now, it doesnt mean that we missed the only opportunity at a ring. The economy is still going to suck this summer, which means that teams are still going to be selling talent at a discount. if no trade happens, im content to watch these young guys make a run at it and shock the world.
"Don't worry about the wind, adjust the sails." -Ted Turner
by ripcityinSantiago on Feb 19, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to respond to this, but I have to go to the bathoom and make some more coffee.
Seriously, I’m not even joking.
I do think I will cry if there are no other deals made. Still not even joking…
You're using the "late third quarter"
quote from an entirely different post, plus an entirely different metaphor within that post that had nothing to do with the timeline you’re citing, and mixing it with this context. Plus the hyperbole oozing out of your last paragraph there is fairly significant.
But for what it’s worth, I agree that making a move just to make a move is not what’s needed. At the same time it’s not bad for people to be excited about the prospects.
—Dave
Context is everything
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
if carter comes here. . . im going to be very unhappy
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
If Carter comes here with a 1st round pick
For Raef and Frye or Raef, Travis, and Sergio, you should be ecstatic! I’m no VC cheerleader, but hat is a bona fide steal.
Yeah the extra wins and veteran leadership would be a real bummer.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
heck...maybe we make carter come off the bench.
blake, roy, batum, aldridge, oden
sergio, rudy, carter, outlaw, przybilla.
batum stays starter.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
wouldn't that be a funny meeting
So, Vince, welcome! Here are the keys to the PF; turn off the lights and don’t leave the spa motors running when you leave. And oh yes, we’re going to keep running Nic out there as the starter—but don’t worry, Nate gives up on him pretty quickly so you’ll see lots of time. Here is your parking pass, and the Blazer Dancers who are available at the moment are on this card…I’ll have someone get your duffel…"
No way
Carter starts from day one. No contest.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 19, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
for sure
"Don't worry about the wind, adjust the sails." -Ted Turner
by ripcityinSantiago on Feb 19, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Alright, everyone, give her a break. Just read the sig
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
you will force me to have to take another break from basketball with that one
lol
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Can we measure the pointlessness of a trade?
I’m just in awe of this.
Chad Ford: Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
I nominate this trade as, perhaps, the most pointless in league history, involving three or more players. “I have a stiff I need to trade. Do you have a stiff? Great. Two? Even better.”
by chnews on Feb 19, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Travis Outlaw is still a Blazer
God frowns upon me this day.
by Garces on Feb 19, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
sweet. Trout not only drops game killa's on opponents, does it on fans too.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
How can you not do this trade?
They’re begging you to take a horrible player, and give you one who can contribute!
I wonder how the economy is going to play out with resignings during the summer?
Everyone is going to be lowballing everyone else.
KP has word that Kobe will
accept $7million per year to join the Blazers in the offseason…I’m sure that’s why he is holding out.
Why would we spend 7 million on a 3rd-string SG?
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
that's as silly as dave's shaq suggestion
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
and it ruins the fun
of trading for a player because he is a “Kobe-stopper”. Hell, even Kobe could only stop Kobe about 30% of the time, as great a defender as he is.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
If KP gets cute because of one draft pick or so I will be very sad
And you don’t want that to happen KP
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I kind of like it
It’s part of what makes KP great – he’s made enough moves that he can now be in the driver’s seat in all negotiations, and if the deal isn’t up to his standards, well, he doesn’t need it as much as the guy he’s negotiating with
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
The problem is, Rod Thorn and some other presidents and GMs are just as hard headed
Imagine moufflons banging heads
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I just had the exact same thought.
It doesn’t make sense. It’s like the U.S. fighting a war to keep South Vietnam safe from Communism… Actually, that made more sense.
I like how I am not paying attention at all in my class right now for this
The joys of being a Blazer fan
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
well, i'm a professor and i'm taking bathroom breaks to check on trades...so i'm not paying attention to you either.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I wonder what Raef is doing right now...
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
college students in seattle are talking about the blazers right now and the deadline.
just some eavsdropping.
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions
"Unnamed sources from the Pacific Northwest confirm that Blazer trade activity today is possible..."
college students in seattle are talking about the blazers right now and the deadline.
just some eavsdropping.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Unrestricted FA's this summer include:
Marion
Artest
Odom
Bibby
Kidd
Ariza
Foster
Bass
We have $7million to play with. Assuming a trade doesn’t go through in the next hour, who should we go after?
You don't get Marion for that and I don't want
Bass likely can be had for the MLE or a little more
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
none f the above
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
we could pick up odom if only to trade him laterr
he’d be a strong asset
"His name is Jeremiah Johnson and they say he wanted to be a mountain man." -Neil Everett
by SabonisBonus on Feb 19, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think Odom
would pretty good on Portland. That is, if he can ever stay motivated to play agressively consistently.
that's just it though. . .
he is only motivated in his contract year.
Weird
I don’t see anyone on that list as good as Wallace or Carter. Good strategy we’ve got going, here.
+1
Hopefully Dave and Ben can speak intelligence into the lack of a trade, if such happens…. this whole thing is a bit cloudy.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 19, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
douglast
mentioned we could use the $7million cap space to include in a lopside trade…such as trading one of our guys who makes $6million (Travis) and getting back a guy who makes $13million.
I would try and sneak Bibby away from the Hawks
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 19, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Childress or Marvin Williams
Are the best options I’ve seen at the three spot. Either of those guys would provide a solid lift for about $7-8 mil.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 19, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
set of players on that list more desirable than Wallace/Carter/Jefferson
{empty}
KP failed today.
Boomshakalaka
Please KP. . .
consolidate the talent and bring in a vet who can get us into the playoffs. . .
I got it
we can just send the cats travis and play dumb. “Oh you guys wanted Nic….hmmm… well why don’t you just try travis for a game.” Pry to god travis has one of his “good” games and every one is happy until they find out the truth about travis.
Here's something that doesn't really make sense to me
The hold-up on the Carter deal is a 2011 no 1 pick? Really? What is that pick going to be? The Warriors have been a middling team, but rarely the worst team in the league and have a lot of young talent. So, the Blazers are not doing a deal for a pick whose expected value is the 15th in the draft? What is that player going to do for the Blazers in 2011?
exactly my point
KP can afford to hold up the deal over something like that, something little but useful—can the Nets afford to hold it up over keeping it? That’s what makes a master trader, IMO. Press your advantage. At the VERY last minute, even KP can decide to bail on the bluff.
Agreed. . .
The Warriors are not going to be this bad for long. . .they are a .500 ball club without Biedrins w/ Monta back. The are playoff contenders for years to come to say the least. KP just drives a hard bargain I guess.
on hour 5 minutes and 34 seconds
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
man...still a long ways to go before i can use the restroom
by Tofu Anonymous on Feb 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
i guess i forgot the e
“one”
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
he hit that 3 last night, asst from roy
paul allen was watching, sitting next to kp
ignacio
Paul Allen headline:
“Brilliant businessman declines to improve team’s playoff chances based off single 3-pointer. City weeps.”
paul allen is hardly a good businessman
Truth never was or can be propagated by fire and sword - Albert Gallatin
Please Please Please KP, do something.
Make it HAPPEN!
I am going to have a heart-attack I think.
OH Man! I have a meeting I have to lead in 5 minutes!
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
lol
reminds me of being at David Cone’s perfect game, with a plane to catch for a business seminar across the country. 8th inning, rain delay already, the Yankees start getting on base again to score more and I’m alone in the Stadium yelling GOD NO, GET OFF THE FIELD!! HURRY!
:)
Got to see the end, caught a late car to JFK, smiled like an idiot for the next 48 hrs.
:)
11 am? Who schedules that on trade day?!
Mine’s at 2 ;)
Heard at meeting
“Where’s mxpx5678? This meeting was supposed to start at 11!”
“Dunno. But did you hear the Knicks traded Jerome James and Tim Thomas for Larry Hughes?”
“No way! And I bet Chris Wilcox and Malik Rose were involved too.”
New website: 4stiffs1trade.com
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
It is a phone meeting, lets see if i can make this work.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
good luck bro
may the KP be with you
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Travis. . .
has hit quite a few clutch shots and is Brandon’s best friend. If we can’t get a deal done, at least we can put that kind of spin on it.
Travis makes friendship bracelets for everyone
So that makes up for his giving opposing SFs career nights every time he hits the floor.
And if the deal does get done, they can hit spinning clutch shots together on the golf course.,..
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Danny Granger: Buy low KP
"I don’t know what happened. I jumped with that last shot that I took before I left the game, I felt like something popped in my foot. It’s so painful."
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Why are you talking to him?
You’ll just distract Mortime- errr, KP from his phone time.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
New thread from Dave:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/19/764407/the-final-hour#comments
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
NEW THREAD AVAILABLE
At the top of the site. Please move in an orderly fashion. Don’t rush…there’s plenty of room for everyone. Remain calm, people.
—Dave
I'm pissed off
I can’t believe we’re standing pat when we have a chance to go deep into the playoffs now without mortgaging the future.
Boomshakalaka
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