Trade Update- Portland or Bust for Carter/ Jefferson or Carter to Portland
by Blazerhopeful on Feb 18, 2009 6:04 PM PST
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
Chris Broussard: It looks like it’s Portland or bust for Vince Carter, according to a person with knowledge of the trade talks surrounding New Jersey’s star forward.
“It’s looking like it’s going to be head-to-head between Carter and Richard Jefferson,” the person said. “I think Jefferson’s going to be the one who goes to Portland.”
While Carter may be the better player, Portland’s concerned with Carter’s age (he turned 32 last month) and the three years, $51 million left on his contract (though only $4 million of the $18 million in his final season is guaranteed).
The Nets have their own concerns about Carter’s contract and that’s why they’ve been shopping him. They’ve spoken with San Antonio, Houston and Dallas but nothing has come of those talks.
Discussions with San Antonio have broken down because the Spurs, while willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto, are not willing to include Roger Mason Jr. and George Hill in the deal.
Houston would have traded Tracy McGrady for Carter, but McGrady’s announcement that he’ll have season-ending microfracture surgery killed those chances.
“There will be no Vince deal,” another source close to the situation said, referring to the Rockets.
The Los Angeles Clippers, who since training camp have regretted signing Baron Davis to a five-year, $65 million deal, have tried to get involved, proposing a three-team move that would send Davis to Houston, McGrady to New Jersey and Carter to LA. But no one but the Clippers liked that deal.
If Carter doesn’t go to Portland, will the Nets send him wherever they can?
“I’d be surprised if they did a straight salary dump, but at the end of the day that might be best for their organization,” said one source.
As for Milwaukee’s Jefferson, it’s far from a done deal that he’ll join the Blazers. The Bucks would love to send Jefferson to Portland in a deal that would bring back Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, but another executive close to the talks said, “It’s not dead but there’s nothing happening right now.”
The Bucks’ talks with San Antonio about Jefferson have stalled as well.
Portland’s telling teams it has 15 different players it can get for LaFrentz. But many executives around the league are skeptical, saying the Blazers like to talk about deals but are always hesitant to pull the trigger on anything significant.
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Very intriguing. I like both deals, Jefferson has a reasonable contract and can provide inside scoring as well as a veteran presence down the stretch. I'm very fascinated by the concept of having Carter aboard. Sure he's 32, but he's got 2-3 good years barring injury. VCEC could be of even greater value than RLEC is now... he could be the asset that pushes the blazers to 2-3 more championships :)
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The Los Angeles Clippers, who since training camp have regretted signing Baron Davis to a five-year, $65 million deal, have tried to get involved, proposing a three-team move that would send Davis to Houston, McGrady to New Jersey and Carter to LA. But no one but the Clippers liked that deal.
That made me laugh really hard.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 6:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I bet the author had a lot of fun writing that.
It’s fun to laugh at stuff like that.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince Carter > Richard Jefferson.
There’s no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
by AK1984 on Feb 18, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How would you compare their defense?
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is the real question
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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by lanepete on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
Jefferson is more than just average at deffense… I just can’t prove it ;)
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by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 18, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But Jefferson fits the Blazers long-term plans better. Either way if we get Carter or Jefferson i’d be ecstatic.
IN KP WE TRUST!
IKE MAKE YOUR DANG LAYUPS
by Blazerhopeful on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im with u....
id be happy with either of em
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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by lanepete on Feb 18, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will take either. I will not be happy if it is neither.
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by timbo on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
........................ unless it's David Lee, who will not be traded.
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by timbo on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RJ contract > VC contract
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Feb 18, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, though, Vince Carter is only partially guaranteed $4,000,000 for the 2011-2012 season.
by AK1984 on Feb 18, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but doesn't that make it
less desirable as an “expiring contract” (VCEC) to another team?
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The rub, however, is that he could be dealt around or during the 2011 NBA Draft, with his ...
monetary value in a trade being the entirety of his 2011-2012 salary (i.e., $18,921,500) despite the fact that only $4,000,000 of that cash is guaranteed to him. That, in essence, would be very similar to when the Portland Trail Blazers were in talks about dealing Nick Van Exel and the #3 pick in the 2005 NBA Draft to the Boston Celtics for Paul Pierce.
by AK1984 on Feb 18, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my fav part:
Portland’s telling teams it has 15 different players it can get for LaFrentz. But many executives around the league are skeptical, saying the Blazers like to talk about deals but are always hesitant to pull the trigger on anything significant.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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by lanepete on Feb 18, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's true
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at least, at the mid-season time.
He’s more free flowing on draft day.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't trade for VC
Nate has a no headband policy.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 18, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
VC
can wear a mask to hide his ego as well…
IKE MAKE YOUR DANG LAYUPS
by Blazerhopeful on Feb 18, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The bigger reason is that he can't wear #15
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as...
Outlaw is in the trade, I don’t care who we get.. :)
by TheWorkz on Feb 18, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mmmm....
inhales deeply through nostrils……
exhales heavily through mouth……………….
it’s a stand off between two bullies….
I don’t like us being the pretty girl being fought over…but …. lol… the sick twisted part of me ….DOES!!!!
it’s such a sick and wrong thought to think of it like that…but it’s how my head works…
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
look at this
portland might get CDR and Ager as part of the vince deal
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
would pull the trigger on that one in a heartbeat
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
by eyeotiger on Feb 18, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the thought of having VC on this team, but I worry about his defense...
I worry about him guarding much taller SF’s.
by BlazerFN on Feb 18, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine Peja trying to guard VC?
The thought makes me giggle.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
help d....
not that oden does clean up mistakes now…but I still have faith that he will.
if we keep aldridge oden and roy….add either a carter or a jefferson (my want is on the jefferson deal, my brain is saying the carter one is more likely) for the next few years….
we’ll be rolling into the playoffs with all the experience we need in what will be roy’s, oden’s and aldridges….
I’ll mis outlaw, and sergio….
but if this is what it is…..get it done.
I can’t believe it to be true though without roy’s name not ever being mentioned in the media…. lol…….
respect…for our orginization?… say it ain’t sooooo are we dreaming this all up….am I in a coma?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Feb 18, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My fear is this VC or Jefferson trade ends up looking like the Jason Kidd and Devon Harris trade.
I don’t think Outlaw is ever going to be on Harris’ level, but what if VC or Jefferson start declining quickly like Kidd did?
by JasonT on Feb 18, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The whole VC thing is BS
there is no way it happens. The trade doesnt pass the sniff test. Stop wasting yor time. The other SF’s are much more likely
by raging WebTed on Feb 18, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What's a sniff test?...
sounds pretty scientific
by volcompro11 on Feb 18, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace, the others are just bait.. pritch working the bobcats
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right
I was thinking that the bobcats didnt want to make a trade before their game
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by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 18, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JEFFERSON!!!....
he’s the proffessional of the bunch… I mean they’re all pros but the other two have their issues…jefferson just seems a safer bang for our buck…not old…don’t ko’ himself by trying too hard…
JEFFERSON!!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the latest
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
"My two cents on the Vince Carter thing: Rod Thorn drives a hard bargain, and he usually holds firm at the deadline until the other guy decides whether to blink. Two years ago, he wouldn’t send Jason Kidd to the Lakers unless they sent Andrew Bynum back. Last year, he wanted two unprotected No. 1s along with Devin Harris from the Mavs, and he got them. And on this one, my gut tells me that if Thorn can get the Blazers to give him Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a bunch of those extra second-round picks the Blazers are holding (their own, New York’s and Denver’s in 2009; their own and the Bulls’ in 2010) along with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, the Nets will go for it. "
Does this sound like agood deal? Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a bunch of those extra second-round picks the Blazers are holding along with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, for Vince carter…. Idont think so…does this pass the sniff test? This is nothing but a smoke screen…hopefully for Wallace.
by raging WebTed on Feb 18, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Like this
And on this one, my gut tells me that if Thorn can get the Blazers to give him Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernandez, $3 million and a bunch of those extra second-round picks the Blazers are holding (their own, New York’s and Denver’s in 2009; their own and the Bulls’ in 2010) along with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, the Nets will go for it.
"
Sheridan said the same thing on the air with Canzano this afternoon. If Thorn wants to play hardball, KP will just keep his cake in the oven.
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you make the quote go gray around it?
by raging WebTed on Feb 18, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just below the subject line is the formatting toolbox – Bold, Italic, Strikethrough, etc.
Right next to Strikethrough is a big quotation mark. Click that, then put your quote between the two tags that come up.
So it’s like:
<blockquote>HERE GOES YOUR STUFF<blockquote>
(hopefully that line reads like it’s supposed to)
which makes:
HERE GOES YOUR STUFF
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, you can just select whatever you want ‘grey-boxed’ and click the quotation mark button. That works, too.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or you can quotation box it and then go back and quotation box it again...
Double boxes rule!
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by timbo on Feb 18, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What really worries me
is Wallace’s injuries. He would be a good addition to our team but for those head injuries. He said that he has started to play more in control and thus his blocks has gone down. Plus isn’t he injured NOW?I’d take Jefferson over Gerald because of that alone!
by VinnyB on Feb 18, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wallace is back
I just added him to my fantasy team because some dummy dropped him.
He’s back and doing well, like always.
I agree about worrying about his injuries, especially his concussions, but he’s 26 and awesome defensively. It’s worth the risk.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 19, 2009 6:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last week I was sick and had a dream that we traded for Carter. No joke!
by elconquistador on Feb 18, 2009 9:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to gamble on Vince
He’d make us a contender this season.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hey
I’m also hearing that the Nets and Blazers were negotiating late into the night over Vince Carter. One of the hang-ups now is Portland’s insistence that the Nets include the 2011 first-round pick the Nets acquired from the Golden State Warriors in any deal for Carter.
It’s pretty tough at the moment to get a handle on what the Blazers are doing. They talked to Bucks, Bobcats and the Nets on Wednesday. And one source insists there’s still a possibility that the Blazers don’t do anything.
Finally, this question, after the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded: Is there any chance that Chandler could be traded again by Thursday?
One GM, speaking on condition of anonymity, told me he spoke with the Thunder and thought they were extremely conservative in their diagnosis of Chandler. While he hadn’t seen the medical evidence, he felt that, based on his conversations with the Thunder, the team may have overreacted to Chandler’s turf toe issue.
chad ford
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
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by HurraKane212 on Feb 18, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They clearly had second thoughts about something...
I think there’s a really good deal to be had for somebody for Chandler tomorrow… Blazers don’t need a center though…
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by timbo on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Play him at backup PF
BEST. FRONTLINE. EVER.
Chandler and Przy can fistfight in the locker room and realize they don’t even remember what they were arguing about. They’ll hug it out and their towels will accidentally fall off, and their pee holes will touch.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 19, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope could catch a photo of that
Just think how lucky we are that Ben likes shoes more than pee holes.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 19, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whose to say he doesn't
He’s just a responsible journalist who won’t reveal his sources.
Plus, he keeps the best pee-hole pics for himself. Ya can’t blame the guy, those will be worth BILLIONS in a few years. This will be after the economy gets so bad that the dollar is worthless, and our country quickly transfers to a pee hole pictures based economy. Ben is getting on the ground floor of SUCCESS.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 19, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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