Official Press Release
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM PST
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Here's the press release from the Blazers on the Deal of the Century (or DOTC, as it shall henceforth be called):
TRAIL BLAZERS ACQUIRE FORWARD MICHAEL RUFFIN
Three-Way Trade with Sacramento and Chicago Sends Ike Diogu to Kings
PORTLAND, Ore. - As part of a three-way trade with Sacramento and Chicago, the Portland Trail Blazers have acquired forward Michael Ruffin from Chicago in exchange for forward Ike Diogu, who is sent to Sacramento, General Manager Kevin Pritchard announced today.
The Trail Blazers also gain a $3 million trade exception, which they can use for one calendar year.
"We want to thank Ike for his time with the Trail Blazers, and hopefully this trade will give him an opportunity to play more minutes in Sacramento ," said Pritchard. "This move will give us trade flexibility going forward with the $3 million trade exception we gained in the deal."
An eight-year veteran, Ruffin, 32, averaged 1.8 points and 4.0 rebounds in 403 career games with Chicago , Philadelphia , Utah , Washington and Milwaukee . He has not appeared in a game for Chicago this season.
Diogu, 25, played in 19 games for Portland this season, averaging 1.4 points and 0.9 rebounds in 3.8 minutes per game. He was acquired by the Trail Blazers from the Indiana Pacers along with the draft rights to Jerryd Bayless on July 9, 2008. Diogu has posted averages of 5.9 points and 3.0 rebounds in 177 games during his four-year NBA career.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Whoa we all missed the part about getting a trade exception.
Or at least I did. That could be big.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it was on oregonlive
they said taht was the reason
by Blazerland on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So the trade exception lasts
almost untill next years deadline?
by JCook on Feb 18, 2009 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From Wiki
Traded Player Exception: If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (we’ll call this initial deal “Trade #1”), they receive what is called a Traded Player Exception, also known colloquially as a “Trade Exception”. Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks straight-up for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure it expires one year from today--so Feb 18 2010
Someone with more knowledge can correct or confirm me though. That’s just my understanding
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I already put this in the fanpost, but it's too funny I gotta repost it here
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh I always screw up this link
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I quit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9t8EzsbjNk
just copy and paste it yourselves -_-
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wanna get away?
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
hahahaha ya totally!
he should be their next spokes person!
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there--perfect link job!
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i was tryin to make it say something like "Our New All-Star"
Didn’t work
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the blogger gods refraining you
from making such a blasphemous comparison to our real All Star
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
probably
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is heeee-larious.
Thanks for re-posting.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw crap..
sorry, now I just look like a jerk.
It was supposed to be under yours.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First the dreams
Then the talking to himself…
by CatMan2 on Feb 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I already ordered his jersey
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL .... good line Dragline
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
by TwoDeep on Feb 18, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So much for..
our “youngest team in the league” status.
Thanks, Grandpa Ragamuffin. :(
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We were searching for a veteran presence - here it is.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 18, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he will be too old win our window is open!
unless he is the missing piece and opens the window right now
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ready to crown this acquisition the DOTC yet
I need to see Ruffin put up 2 points and at least 1.5 boards a game before I’m ready to concede that title.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
by Cro-Magnon on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also missing in that press release is a "Ha ha - you didn't get Salmons"
A few other GMs would have understood…
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
does anyone else have their heart set on a Vince Carter shaped present from KP?
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mine is Wallace shaped
but it looks like that’s not going to happen at the moment
formerly fromagnon
by The Arkitect on Feb 18, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace would be the perfect addition
great team player doesnt demand alot of touches would b a good 2rd option behind ROY and LMA veteran player and hunrgy for a playoff berth. Play him with the second unit to get him his touches WALLACE and BAYLESS running the fastbreak would b a thing of beauty
by Kingzilla on Feb 18, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When's his bobble head night ganna be?
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the blazers are popular!
we dont get bobble head anymore
by Blazerland on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doe Grampa Muffin even move to Portland, or does he just continue to kick it in Chi-town?
Meaning, is this purely a financial thing, or do the Blazers expect him to practice & someday play once every other option is exhausted?
(on another note, I’ll miss Ike) : (
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He has to submit to a physical.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he's been injured all season, no?
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are sending us damaged goods?
Where’s the outrage!?
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blazers can, and likley would, waive the physical
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 18, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Solid move
Can’t argue with turning your 14th man into a trade exception.
I hope its not the only thing we do.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 18, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good move.
I hope its the only thing we do.
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
by TwoDeep on Feb 18, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To me, this just reaffirms...
that in KP we trust…
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can just see KP...
He has a phone in both hands, talking to team X and says “so, if I throw in a $3M trade exception you will do this deal?!” And on the other line he has Chicago/Sacramento doing the deal with Ike/Ruffin + $3M. I smell a fleecing coming real soon.
by bigdaddy4838 on Feb 18, 2009 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
except
you can’t combine a trade exception with other exceptions or with players..,.so I don’t think its utility is immediate. It seems like the kind of thing that you do because #1, it saved PA about a million bucks plus luxury tax savings plus luxury tax kickbacks for being under (so maybe like 4-5 mil all told) and #2, like jksnake said above, nothing wrong with converting your 14th man to a trade exception.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but you can
use it in a 2nd deal with the same team to take another player off their hands. sort of a sweetener
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 18, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah that's true
I didn’t think about that. I don’t know how many odious contracts there are in the league that are only worth 2.8 mil — that’s pretty chump change even on the rookie scale — but your point is well-taken regardless.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it got us Rudy
we had to use a TE to take on James Jones in order to entice Phoenix into letting us buy the rights to Rudy. how many Ike’s are out there sitting on someone’s bench makng 3 million? probably more than we think
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 18, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's certainly true
and we might see more and more owners pressuring their GMs into Sarvering away their first-rounders just to not have to pay them.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and it makes
all those 2nd round picks that KP has been stashing all the more valuable. Since there’s no 3 year guaranteed contracts “attached” to them
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
but you could take a crappy contract in the MAIN trade and get a decent young piece with the trade exception, whereas the deal wouldn’t have worked if you had put the decent young piece in with the crappy contract. interesting.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if when other GMs hear about this if it would affect their willingness to deal with Pritch?
I posted this the other day, but there was a comparison of GMs that are also MJ leftovers & both of their (Kerr & John Paxon) worst draft day moves happened to net us L.A. & Rudy… it’s worth a gander: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/02/16/kerr.paxson/index.html
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope that this sets up
an epic three way trade among the Blazers, Bobcats and Nets
Where Portland gets: Devin Harris, Gerald Wallace, Some bad contracts.
Charlotte Gets: Bayless, VC, some expiring contracts. NJ gets: The Spanish connection, Trout, Felton, RLEC.
That gives Portland a dynasty lineup, NJ a salary gastric-bypass with some nice cheap peices to build around, And Charlotte a respectable rotation with plenty of room to grow
by Millz on Feb 18, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So how does KP prepare for times like this?
Does he play a lot of Poker (I don’t play myself), or is there some kind of GM board game (unavailable to the public) that he plays late into the night.
One thing for sure, I’m ready for everyone to flip all there cards over.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Feb 18, 2009 5:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tom Penn does a lot of contract studying. Much legal work, and then working the phones to hear about brewing deals and gauge interest in your own players I suppose
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He just too good at these deals.
He must be rehearsing continually.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Feb 18, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"DOTC"
Well-named
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Feb 18, 2009 5:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OK...since the exception lasts a year....
I see KP holding off until summer for any moves.I really think he wants to take more time to fully evaluate the players he has.
by antediluvian on Feb 18, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be so disappointed
in KP I trust, but how would you feel as a little kid waking up on Christmas morning, seeing the floor beneath the tree covered in nothing more than pine needles, and being told, “Just wait till July, Ante, you may or may not get a great present then!” You’re gonna be one bummed out little pre-flood.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Note: Vince Carter is playing right now against the Mavs, so no deal imminent
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that KP mentioned the trade exception but didn’t say anything about Ruffin makes me believe that he’s not done yet.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 18, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or there's nothing worth mentioning vis-a-vis Mr. Ruffin
Spanish Main: The point of departure for enormous wealth in the form of gold, silver, gems, spices, hardwoods, hides, alley-oops, assists and three pointers.
by LaughingJon on Feb 18, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you know how there's Greg Oden cups at Mc Donalds?
Do you think Michael Ruffin McMuffins are far behind?
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I can just see it now....
almost as cool as a McRobert McChickens marketing ploy would have been.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Ruffin is no "I don't wear stupid hats, I'm a supervisor" guy. Perfect fit for the new Blazers
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Santa Muffin!
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TRADE CHATTER- didn't know where to put this all...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
Chris Broussard: It looks like it’s Portland or bust for Vince Carter, according to a person with knowledge of the trade talks surrounding New Jersey’s star forward.
“It’s looking like it’s going to be head-to-head between Carter and Richard Jefferson,” the person said. “I think Jefferson’s going to be the one who goes to Portland.”
While Carter may be the better player, Portland’s concerned with Carter’s age (he turned 32 last month) and the three years, $51 million left on his contract (though only $4 million of the $18 million in his final season is guaranteed).
The Nets have their own concerns about Carter’s contract and that’s why they’ve been shopping him. They’ve spoken with San Antonio, Houston and Dallas but nothing has come of those talks.
Discussions with San Antonio have broken down because the Spurs, while willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto, are not willing to include Roger Mason Jr. and George Hill in the deal.
Houston would have traded Tracy McGrady for Carter, but McGrady’s announcement that he’ll have season-ending microfracture surgery killed those chances.
“There will be no Vince deal,” another source close to the situation said, referring to the Rockets.
The Los Angeles Clippers, who since training camp have regretted signing Baron Davis to a five-year, $65 million deal, have tried to get involved, proposing a three-team move that would send Davis to Houston, McGrady to New Jersey and Carter to LA. But no one but the Clippers liked that deal.
If Carter doesn’t go to Portland, will the Nets send him wherever they can?
“I’d be surprised if they did a straight salary dump, but at the end of the day that might be best for their organization,” said one source.
As for Milwaukee’s Jefferson, it’s far from a done deal that he’ll join the Blazers. The Bucks would love to send Jefferson to Portland in a deal that would bring back Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, but another executive close to the talks said, “It’s not dead but there’s nothing happening right now.”
The Bucks’ talks with San Antonio about Jefferson have stalled as well.
Portland’s telling teams it has 15 different players it can get for LaFrentz. But many executives around the league are skeptical, saying the Blazers like to talk about deals but are always hesitant to pull the trigger on anything significant.
IKE MAKE YOUR DANG LAYUPS
by Blazerhopeful on Feb 18, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Portland's #1 priority is Wallace
with Jefferson and Carter as fallback options. If true, I like that a lot.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter is a top swingman
and will continue to be for a few years. He’d vault us into Western Conference Finals contention.
He would mean we’d beat New Orleans and others in a series. Peja guarding VC? Von Wafer guarding VC or Roy? Richardson guarding VC or Roy? Anyone on Dallas guarding VC and Roy?
We’re WCF-bound with him on the roster.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'd certainly be in the mix
I would like a Carter deal as long as 7,52,12,88,4,5 and 10 remained Blazers. I think Wallace still fits what we need better— younger, more defensive minded.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 18, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely
but from all indications he will not be moving at the trade deadline.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Portland getting Hinrich & Salmons from the Bulls?
Can the trade exception be used with the Bulls because they were part of the deal or only with Sac?
by PHXBlazerFan on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seattle just signed Ken Griffey Jr.
If we can land Carter, I’m going to be having seriously awesome flashbacks.
by Garces on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
are you serious?
Griffey is back in Washington? I think that I’m in looooooove
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep!
Not to get too off topic, but it’s done.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2008758659_griffeynew19.html
by Garces on Feb 18, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
color me surprised
I thought Jr didn’t want to leave his family in Florida and head to Arizona for spring training, so he was signing with ATL
by two4larue on Feb 18, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle sports fans deserve some good news
and they got it.
by antediluvian on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I am so happy Jr. is back in Seattle and if we can get Carter or even Jefferson the last two days would be so freaking awesome.
Red Hot and Rolling
by BlazerFan88 on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Griffey, and he'll sell tickets for sure
On the field, however, he’s now a slightly above average hitter who’s a bit of a liability in the field. He’s about 1/50th of the player he used to be.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hgh never hurt anyone
unless it gives you cancer, does it?
by appel82 on Feb 18, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Now what am I gonna do with my Diogu jersey tattoo?
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Feb 18, 2009 6:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Count yourself lucky
I had “Ike” tattooed onto my Diogu.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ouch
good luck getting that one removed
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 18, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good, just pull a Danica Patrick and have them Photoshop it out of your photo shoots.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 18, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine says “Welcome to Jamaica man, have a nice day.”
sorry, old bad joke. I couldn’t resist.
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
by Y5k on Feb 18, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More from espn.com
POSTED: Feb. 18 — 9:14 p.m. ET
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
Chad Ford: The Bucks got some more momentum in their quest to find some salary relief for Richard Jefferson Wednesday evening.
Sources say that the Bucks had discussions with the Cavs about a possible Jefferson for Wally Szczerbiak swap. The Cavs have gotten much more active over the past 48 hours making pitches to Washington for Antawn Jamison and the Clippers for Marcus Camby. However, the Wizards and Clippers have both given the Cavs the stiff arm.
Another source also confirmed that the Blazers did make a call to the Bucks to renew discussions of a possible Jefferson for Raef LaFrentz swap. The two teams had spoken on and off about a deal for several weeks but the Bucks hadn’t heard from them in recent days.
The Blazers, as of this evening, were also still trying to find a way to put together a better package for Gerald Wallace after the Bobcats turned down an preliminary LaFrentz for Wallace offer earlier in the day. The Bobcats would still like the Blazers to take back Nazr Mohammed or to throw Nicolas Batum into a deal.
With so many parts, it looks like any Jefferson deal will likely go down to the trade deadline tomorrow.
by 5Blazers5 on Feb 18, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honor Ike.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
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