Today's Poll -- Is this it?
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST
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PrintGo here and vote. Blazers in a 2 on 2 contest. Plugging this again as we wait for more trade information.
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Its like being the first person to walk across the country naked. No one really cares, but someone might remember your name.
great rewards require great risks
unless you play the lottery.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Its not that they cant do the math
Its that they lack any ability to analyze the results of the math.
To put this on topic (kinda?)
The blazers will not be in the lottery for a long time, nor would KP/TP play the lottery.
my gf works with people like that
She does financial analysis for them to help right their company. Hmmm actually, I’m not sure they can do the math, they can analyze the math… really their issue is that they don’t want to lay off their 200 brothers and sisters and so the budget continues to suck.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
bah
I always vote to fast. i wanna change my vote from No to Noooooooooooooooooooooo
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
My vote is
We are just going to sit on it, and enjoy the benefits of being, somehow, below the luxury tax.
lets keep it going on the new thread
Ben do you have confirmation on the trade exception?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions
awesome. thanks!
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
We want
Luis Scola!
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions
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Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Man
Someone doesn’t like Argentinians.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
as an Italian
I hate people of this hemisphere.
oh wait…
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
is that the northern hemisphere or the western hemisphere?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Southern hemisphere
They got the dang globe upside down when they mapped it.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
both evidently
:)
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tough crowd
(adjusting tie)
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
i'd love to combine it with RLEC
but i realize that PA has lost a ton of money over the years and might want some financial relief.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
your thinking no trade then?
i see this point too… but i’d wonder about this whole ruffin thing and sending cash to Sac… seems like more is at stake…
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 18, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
i'm not sure
i know what i’d do…but i dont know how PA feels about his own financial situation. if it is the same PA as in the past…then i’d assume the savings won’t mean as much to him as it would someone else so he’d eat up a large contract as long as it made the team better.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 18, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
what is 2 million dollars when your worth billions?
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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There is a difference between Paul Allen's budget and that of the Trailblazers, as weird as that sounds
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
well
when you were once worth 40 billion and are now worth like 15 or 16 billion i’m sure you’d be a little more cautious about money….Norsk is right about PAs budget vs the Blazers budget.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 18, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
RUFFIN IS THE '09
MVP!
he will get 30 ppg and dunk over dwight with rudy
by TyROYasaurus REX on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions
I know exactly where KP is going with this!!!!
It’s gonna be kinda like that guy who did an experiment where he traded a paper clip for something, and continued to barter with people until he got a house without having to spend any money.
This is the exact same thing!!!! First it’s Diogu for Ruffin. Then we’ll see something like Ruffin for some other guy who barely plays. Each time he trades, he’ll get slightly more value in the deal. He’ll work his way up through bench players, then sixth men…..then fringe starters………..then legit starters!!!!
Long story short:
Ruffin = Chris Paul
KP does it again! Championship, baby!!!!
Yes! Yes! In the face!
and whenever if bosh comes out
they can play that song “Sweat on my balls” from the movie, CB4.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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"There's NUFFIN that RUFFIN can't do!"
by dirka dirka on Feb 18, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
he can make ice cream pour from his left nostril
SWEEEET
I want some.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
well done sir.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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do you think kp goes tanning
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
he lives in portland...
do you really need to ask?
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
i guess i should have said, "which tanning salon does he use?"
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
It's not my own work, but it's kinda hard to find the original creator for all these KP Photoshops
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I would rather
Have a 3rd string PF that only makes a little over half a million than one that makes close to 3 million… good move KP.
Saving Money
This move saves Portland almost $2 mil in salary (pro rated since the season is 2/3 over), and not to mention another $2 mil at the end of the year, because we are over the luxury tax cap. So this deal makes sense from a dollars and cents point of view.
KP2's analysis...
The Blazers’ position in all of this is slightly more nebulous. Dealing Diogu saves them money against the luxury tax, while they’ve also created a trade exception that could be put to use in the next 21 hours. We’ll see what, if anything, Kevin Pritchard has up his sleeve between now and tomorrow’s deadline.
oh GAWD...
death ben .
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
thank you
ben is obviously losing sleep b/c he didn’t understand my response
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
was thrown off because death ben is so close to death bed
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
oh well
that too, although i dont know what that means exactly.. so i join you
???
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Waiting is so overrated...
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damn
i love trade exceptions. Like the one between kirilenko and his wife
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
by Fund A Mental on Feb 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
kirilenko is trading in his wife?
I BET she took exception!
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
check it
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
by Fund A Mental on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
He can only choose one
I bet she’s a mega Mormon babe
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't this also
get rid of Ike’s cap hold during the offseason? That might be quite beneficial in the long run, maybe help us land a vet, but can you confirm this for me please?
we could do that anyway
if he was still on our books, we could have just renounced his bird rights, relieving us of his cap hold and making him a free agent.
of course it does
no ike, no hold. but there never would have been a hold anyway, as we would almost certainly have not offered him the QO, thereby making him a UFA
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Got it
Thanks guys, from my limited understanding I figured the cap hold would be there until someone else signed him.
And they said
other teams were scared to trade with KP!
The legend lives!
by Hawthorne Wingo on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions
Loved him when he was...
with the Temptations. Oh wait, that was David.
Ain’t too proud to beg, for playing time, please don’t sit me coach don’t you know!
they will defend better
with better footwork from learning Temptations’ moves. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
I hope KP enjoys reading these threads
of blazer fans geeking out
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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Hopefully he's a little too busy for that.
But no doubt he will read all 50,000 comments on all 25 threads that will happen over the next two days.
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
That's why his secretary summarizes it for him
She’s picks, the best, the brightest and the cutest of the posts.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
I communicate with him psychically
You can thank me for all the brilliant moves KP has made over the years. The others occurred when there was atmospheric interference.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
I hate this.
KP is messing with us. This is just like the Baron Von Wafer trade last year.
I feel like I’m in the minority in liking Hinrich. I would be very happy if we acquired him somehow…
But does KP know how to do...
the Hinrich Maneuver?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Aww now I feel dumb
Who did we trade for Von Wafer last year?
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Glad I didn't say
AC Green. I might have sounded even dumber than usual.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Oh yeah! Totally forgot about that guy!
wasn’t he supposed to win a few games for us with his 3-point shooting?
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
It was his 3's
And might be the last time Nate went out of his way to predict what a player will do in the NBA except when it is completely obvious.
How could you forget TAUREAN
this is gonna sound mean but he really needed some proactive…
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
ouch
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
by Fund A Mental on Feb 18, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
it gives us flexibility in trades
so we can snag people we might not otherwise be able to snag.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
This smells like VC
If you net Ike’s and Ruffin’s contracts I believe this creates some sort of trade sme sort of a trade exception, correct? Ike was getting $2.9M and Ruffin is getting ~$700k, leaving net value of ~$2.2M. Add Raef’s $12.7M to that and you get $14.9M, just over VC’s $14.7M contract value…
by pantelakis on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
they cant
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
What is a TPE?
I was just assuming the net of this trade leaves us with a trade exception, and that we could use that in a trade. Apparently I’m wrong! Do you know a website where I can go to look up all the nitty-gritty on this kind of thing?
you can package them with draft picks to acquire another player up to the value of the TPE
they can’t be combined with other TPE’s,
You can only sign 1 player with a tpe, even if his contract is less than the TPE
and thats about all I know
interesting
i cant see KP pullin in VC though still….not that we cant, just that he wont.
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I agree...
….I’m not a fan of VC – he just doesn’t feel like a Blazer to me. I would be pretty surprised if the Blazers made a deal to bring him in just because of his age.
second the motion
but im already a fan
"Don't worry about the wind, adjust the sails." -Ted Turner
by ripcityinSantiago on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, the dude is killin it this year
His career high is 1.8 ppg his avg this year is up .2 for a 2.0 ppg avg
sweet…………
"Intent is prior to content, the question is, does this generation really want truth?"
"Cogito ergo sum" -Descartes
Channing's thoughts:
“Thank God it was Ike and not me”
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Oh greg is injured...AGAIN
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Go FryGuy!
I want to see him get a double-double tonight. If he has to leave the Blazers, let him leave on a high note…not riding the pine.
Has there ever been less excitement for a blazer game than the game against memphis tonight?
Everyone’s going to be too busy refreshing BE to watch the game.
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!
yeah
my tickets didn’t sell so I gave them to a friend.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Hmmm
Canzano just said something and I think it is wrong. He says Ruffin’s contract is paid for by insurance, but I think that teams generally don’t insure minimum salary players.
he also thinks this move
is to create more cap room this summer, which is absolutely false assuming Ike was let go.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
that is what i think
does not Ike’s contract expire this summer?
sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
exactly
both contracts expire this summer, meaning the cap room is the same either way. this is not a cap space move
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
canzano should hire a new intern
evidently
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
As usual
the radio guys are 5 steps behind
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Blazers trade for Ruffin! And there was much rejoicing...
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 3:13 PM PST reply actions
Update from Chad Ford
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
New outlook seems to be no big trade
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
That's just KP waiting to strike.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
lol... we are in every trade rumor
I thought nobody wanted to talk to KP because of the D Miles letter… lol.
UPDATE from ESPN
POSTED: Feb. 18 — 6:08 p.m. ET
Jefferson
Chad Ford: Two days ago it looked like Blazers GM Kevin Pritchard, armed with Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, would be the focal point of the trade deadline. However, as of Wednesday afternoon it is still unclear what, if anything, the Blazers are going to do.
Sources say the Bobcats turned down a Blazers offer for Gerald Wallace Wednesday afternoon. Sources also say the Vince Carter-to-the-Blazers talk has cooled considerably.
If Wallace is out and the Blazers are cooling to Carter, that puts the most likely Blazers trade scenario with Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. The teams have previously discussed swapping Jefferson and Luke Ridnour for LaFrentz and Travis Outlaw.
While there has been significant chatter around the league Wednesday afternoon that Portland was closing in on a deal for Jefferson, sources from both teams insist that it isn’t true. In fact, a Bucks source told ESPN.com that Milwaukee hasn’t heard from the Blazers in a while.
Another source conceded on Wednesday afternoon that there’s now a chance the Blazers might not do anything before the trade deadline. Instead they would take the savings from LaFrentz’s contract and try to make a deal in free agency this summer. While the Blazers won’t be flush with cash, they should have somewhere between $7-9 million in room depending on where the cap comes in.
then he needs to get some GM's drunk
and take advantage of them.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
when I hear things like "Portland's getting better offers for RLEC than Phoenix is for Amare"
I have a hard time believing that’s the case.
For the record, I already think KP is massively overrated by Blazer fans, this would just make me think it a little more.
Boomshakalaka
well, KP didn't start that rumor, as far as we know
if anything, just the opposite, because it raises the bar for him that much higher. it sets him up for failure in essence.
i don’t think he is either under or over rated. he’s properly rated. but he’s not the messiah either.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
That' just you trying to not be a homer again
Ya gotta pick and choose when ya be a contrarian, and not make it the default reaction.
Tons of national people think he’s great too, it’s not too crazy to think Blazer fans love him for totally changing the franchise.
That was a Chad Ford rumor, not a fan rumor. Ryan Schwan tried to take the “KP is overrated” to Kelly Dwyer too, and it got poo poo’d. It ain’t just Blazer fans.
Its silly to say he is way "overrated"
If he doesn’t use RLEC, considering we don’t know how are why he ain’t using it.
It sounds like a hissy fit, saying “WELL IF HE DOESN’T USE IT HE IS WAY OVERRATED AND NOT VERY GOOD”, when everything he has done during his short career directly contradicts that statement.
Do Blazer fans think Roy walks on water? That KP is God? Yeah.
Do they think it LITERALLY? No. Well, maybe for KP.
He did a lot with just a little, and some spending from above. It’s not like we’re pimping Hornet’s GM Bowen’s accomplishment’s when he’s only drafted Paul and overpaid role players.
KP has made 4 impressive moves
1) The Roy trade
2) The Zbo dump which led to the Rudy pick (via trade exception deal with PHX)
3) The Batum pick
4) The Bayless maneuver
The LMA trade was ok, I liked it at the time, but LMA really isn’t that much better than Thomas (LMA is a lot better on O, Thomas is a lot better on D). I’d rather have LMA but its not the steal Blazer fans believe it is.
The Roy trade is KP’s only real home run.
Boomshakalaka
how much credit does KP get for that
and how much does the city of Portland get?
honest question.
Boomshakalaka
I think, to a NBA player
KP makes Portland seem nice, whereas Steve Patterson makes Portland seem crappy.
I think it is KP’s relationship with Blake, and Joel, and the other young guys, that makes them sign for less than they could have got elsewhere— or less than they could have made the Blazers pay them.
snake is right tho
having an ex-Blazer dancer as a wife and loving the city helped make his decision. it wasnt all KP
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ahhh, well, they aren't married I don't think
I think KP is still technically with his first wife. Maybe.
they are dating. kp is either separated or divorced from his wife.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I meant
I met her when I met him down here in Santa Monica back when he was still assistant GM, but I didn’t wanna blow his cover when I told people I met KP.
KP married his wife young, you can’t blame him. He was in college, I think.
Why do I know so much about his personal life.
you ARE his wife?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think Dan Dickau is married to an ex-Blazer dancer
I don’t think any current roster player is.
Boomshakalaka
ah my bad i thought it was blakey
dickau thats right.
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that the local boy who came ot PDX 3x
Dan something or other. He went ot Gonzaga grew up in Vancouver and appears in Lasik ads in the Oregonians sunday comics. I’m totally drawing a blank on his last name. He is in europe now but played for the clippers last season.
its definetely possible
I just don’t think we can quantify how big KP’s effect has been— maybe it just seems really great after a guy like Patterson leaves. Who knows.
Boomshakalaka
No Joke
I liked Patterson. I met him once and thought he was handsome.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Man, he's just a suit
That’s him looking unsure of what to do because his dad (who was the Rockets GM) got him his job and he never earned a thang in his life. HE DIDN’T COME FROM THE STREETS LIKE I DID.
For a bonus, here is KP waiting for his dad to pick him up from school. CHAMPIONSHIP-WORTHY GENERAL MANAGING, SCHOOL.
Come on man
Look at the hair. I want to comb it.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
KP's hair looks unwashed
I’d love to lick caterpillars off of Patterson’s eyebrows.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
KP can count to potato!
Looks like the light is on, but nobody is home.
Either that, or he’s been hanging with ’Sheed and Damon in the yellow Hummer.
You're right though, but it's impossible to argue one way or another
Not in certain terms, anyways.
Who knows what is all KP, what is Larry Miller, what is Tom Penn, and what is just blind dumb luck.
We can safely infer that it’s a lotta’ KP, some creative salary cap shenanigans that got us Rudy and Batum by Penn, and the entire scouting crew for us getting Roy and all of the above.
Maybe KP is just a people person, and not the ‘golden gut’ PA says he has.
Who knows?
We can only go by what people say, who are closer to the scene than we are.
What have the Romans done for us, anyway?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
REG:
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
by samuelleejackson on Feb 18, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
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How much are you expecting in 2.5 seasons?
What else COULD he have done to impress the great Jksnake99?
You know I love you, but you get in these moods were… I dunno what… makes you want to out-unhomer everyone.
He's like fatty
he hates any guy over 6’9" that likes to shoot jumpers. Unbecoming of a big man, you know. :)
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mind big guys that shoot jumpers
I just want them shoot a TS% better than 44th among PFs, and play some defense.
Boomshakalaka
again, he's done a good job
I don’t think you, Mortimer, necessarily overrate him, but the “pritch-slap” folks definitely do.
Boomshakalaka
Those types are just silly fans though
From 21 wins to now, KP has done a better job than we could have ever expected (especially considering where we came from), and hasn’t really missed at all yet.
He will miss one day, but it doesn’t make him overrated. Right now, he’s done an amazing job.
We can’t worry about the fan who wouldn’t trade Rudy for Lebron, they’re just fun anyways.
If he “fails” to use RLEC, it doesn’t make him less smart than he was this morning. Or suddenly overrated. It’s just… whatever. You were putting too much importance on one trade asset.
I know you think he has done great, but it’s an odd statement to make is all.
by Mortimer on Feb 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or fans being silly
I enjoy playing with the KP hype, but reality is that he just does his job well. No, he really CANT snatch rose from Chicago, but I have fun blathering about it.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
yeah, I'll admit I overstated my original post
I still think not moving RLEC here would qualify as a major missed opportunity. Perhaps I’ll be proven wrong over the summer.
Boomshakalaka
I have to agree
but it may be that it’s not because the opportunity didn’t exist. Being on the outside, we can’t know.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
rasta bird
You’re the guy who had like three computers going and mainlined the internet on draft day while you scoured it for a Blazers trade. Not much happened and you have to admit the Blazers are better because of it.
Pretend I wrote something profound about patience here.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Hasn’t really missed at all yet?
KD > GO
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"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
He's said nothing really out of the ordinary, nor anything that is wrong
Getting Fernandez was easy because Phoenix has given their picks away to anyone who’s come calling. Getting Aldridge was essentially trading prospect for prospect. Signing Webster and Outlaw to fair-market deals isn’t a huge coup, not all teams are run by John Paxson and Chris Wallace.
Kevin Pritchard has done a very good job of building a playoff team. But, a lot is hinging on Greg Oden becoming a star. It’s just the way the team is constructed right now.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
he also spent the year convincing Fernandez to come over
that was very difficult. The actual trade wasn’t, but convincing Rudy to take less money for four years wasn’t easy.
Yeah, everything rides on Oden
I dunno though, anyone could have had Fernandez, and even Roy back then— those lottery picks were as cheap as those things get.
KP needs a few more years to know whether he’s on a hot streak that he can’t duplicate, or truly a very good GM. As of now, it looks great.
If Oden works out, though, he can ride that hot streak to the moon and back, so maybe we’ll never know the TRUE answer.
(I think the way he has creatively found trades, accepted new-age stats, and the hard work he puts in will make him keep being a good GM).
Oden is the most questionable draft pick ever made by KP
I can live with that. KP is one of the best at evaluating talent and then geting who he targets.
It was also the most important pick
The jury is still out on whether Oden is special or not, so you really can’t fault or praise him for the pick yet.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think you have trouble understanding KP because there are no stats for GM's.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
by Dragline on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the answer is clearly
to start making stats.
What was the before and after on wins?
What percentage of growth a year in wins and losses?
Did trades make the team better or worse?
Did drafts make the team better or worse?
Financial analysis…
Somebody make numbers and make it happen!
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
pretty good line, I'll admit
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 18, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just like when Oden/Roy/LMA
It’s too soon to say one is overrated/underrated, since they are just getting started.
And it certainly can’t be defined by RLEC, if KP doesn’t think Wallace/Jefferson are the answer.
Or, their teams wanted too much.
Amare is vastly overrated by Blazers fans that want a trade for the sake of trading
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I sure hope those two are joking
They have to be sarcastic. KP will do what is best for the team, not what what the fans want him to do.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
thank goodness
otherwise we’d have stache!
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
i wouldn't go that far
sometimes the best move is not to move too quickly. there could be a better move this summer in an unbalanced draft day deal.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Either that or ...
… you are talking through your hat again.
If you are really that much of an expert, please explain why it is so much more undesireable to keep Raef and let his deal come off our books.
hakkaa päälle !
because the names rumored to be available (Jefferson, Wallace, Butler, Carter, etc)
seem a lot better to me than anyone we could sign for 7-9 mil next season.
Boomshakalaka
and all those guys
will likely also be available to trade for next summer, along with some other, perhaps more desirable guys.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
meaning this summer
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
but we won't have RLEC
so we’ll actually have to trade a player with on court value to get one of those guys.
Boomshakalaka
We can still do a sign-and-trade with RLEC
kina like Kieth Van Horn.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
not with capspace
travis plus a sign and traded frye is just one example of how you could turn 7 or 8 million in our salaries + 7 or 8 million in space into a 14 or 15 million dollar player
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Would you rather
Trade for a guy who will leave in 2 years or sign someone who wants to be in Portland?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
do we win a title in those 2 years?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone will want to be in Portland
If they can win a title.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
i don't know
the rain might drive them crazy.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Paul Allen can buy everyone million dollar umbrellas
Plus, I figure if they won a title, all the people on this site would sell themselves to be personal shields for the players.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Then you have to start getting rid of rotation guys
Who are on cheap contracts. Then you get into the territory of “Outlaw is cheaper, and not that different than Gerald Wallace. It’s pointless to take on his salary.”
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
all the trade scenarios we've seen
already included travis, sergio, batum, frye, ike, or some combination. nothing really changes, we just use 8 million in cap space to make up the difference instead of 12 million in RLEC.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
it's unknown
it could be better, it could be worse. it’s not certain either way. it all depends on who become available this summer that isn’t now.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
There are many reasons why it could.
- adding Wallace, Jefferson, even Carter is likely to make Portland only marginally better. It’s not a case of adding in the new guy’s ppg, PER, etc to the team total and it equaling a better team. There is even a possibility it could have a negative effect, as the existing players and the new guy are not familiar with each other and/or the addition changes rotations, minutes, etc, and possibly disrupts team dynamics and chemistry. That is not sure to happen, but it could and it has to be factored in.
- SF is only an issue right now because Webster is out. In other words you are basically trading to fill a temporary need. After this year you have your young starter locked up with a very reasonable contract, an even younger guy with great promise just off his rookie season and a vet with 2 or more years at $10 mil or more per, all playing the same position. That is not exactly the description of a pressing need to make a trade now.
- we don’t really know exact details of what offers are being discussed. From the rumors, most seem to involve more than just trading Raef straight up for a player we might want. Details like what sort of bad contract we might have to take back, or what other assets do we have to include. Those are the sort of details that are important in evaluating the value between the $12 + million Raef’s deal might represent now and the $8 – $9 million it would represent over the summer.
- as already pointed out, there appears to be an option to re-sign Raef and include him in a deal. If that is the case, we theoretically don’t lose any value on him by waiting until the summer. We just have to find a team that thinks one year of Raef at $12 mil (or more) is preferable to 2+ years of the guy we want.
The bottom line is that there are multiple options available to Pritchard. The effect of that is he doesn’t have to make a trade unless it is exactly the one he wants. It’s worth repeating – KP does not HAVE to make a deal. Anyone thinking that it would be a mistake not to make a deal before the deadline either has not looked at the bigger picture or believes that trades are the best part of basketball. (Which is fine. To each his own.)
hakkaa päälle !
and the wind is out of the sails.
calm before the storm.
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LOL
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Let me be the one to say it:
Woop-de-friggin-do.
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by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions
You're
really enjoying yourself today
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 3:19 PM PST reply actions
Back Up 5
The Blazers will need a new back up 5 after Channing is included in the real blockbuster on Thursday.
by Original Blazer Fan on Feb 18, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions
Ben Gordon
After he refuses any offers from the Bulls and no one else under the cap wants to pay him.
And it solves, nothing.
More realistically
If we don’t use RLEC now, we use that 7 to 9 million as a trade buffer on draft day.
i wonder if he's not...
he might be tightening his belt too. Everyone here assumes he will, but he may actually desire a tight reign on the purse.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
which would mean the minor moves are exactly what they appear
so the smoke screen would be that there IS no smoke screen.
One more day.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Well....
We will be able to get a lot more THIS summer for $7-$9 million than we could have gotten last summer. Too many owners are feeling the pinch of the recession. It will be a buyers market this summer.
by antediluvian on Feb 18, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone else feel like we'll never be in a stronger bargaining position?
After our pick of Oden vs. Durant, I would say this trade deadline is the next significant moment in the current Blazers Era. If we get a key player, it will really have to be our last piece of the puzzle. If we don’t, we’ll need to get that person via free agency or trade in the off-season (it won’t be in the draft).
I feel pretty strongly that there will never be another situation where so many factors align to give us a great chance to acquire a key player without giving up significant value.
I am skeptical that we can get a better player in the off-season.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
not so sure
the changing fiscal realities of the NBA right now may mean that cost-cutting owners and GMs put people on the market this summer that aren’t right now – especially for playoff teams.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Also
If they lower the Cap, more people could be in sell mode during the draft (depending when they would lower the cap). Anyone know when something like that would take place?
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
The cap and luxury tax thresholds for 2009/10 will set set
towards the end of June, but by the draft teams should have a good estimate of about where they will be.
I totally agree with you
This is definitely one of those big defining moments for the Blazers. If we don’t move this piece then… I don’t know. I definitely feel like we’ve let an opportunity slip by.
But then again, KP would make a move it will make us better. If none of the options available make us a better team, that it could definitely be in our interest to let this come off of our books. I mean what can you do if there is nothing that will significantly make us better, as an option? Maybe the RLEC is right in the wrong neighborhood, too much money to get back a only decent player, and the teams who have the players we’re targetting don’t need the money enough. eesh alright I am going to get back to pretending to work.
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trade exception thought
We are friends with SA so KP uses the trade exception to bring Ime Udoka back to play small forward for the remainder of the year and saves SA a few bucks
just a thought
SA needs rotation players
They aren’t just giving away Udoka for cap relief, not when there’s still a chance at the Finals.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
C'mon KP
Please bring VC to Portland….and please by all means DO NOT bring Richard Jefferson
by keepportlandstrange on Feb 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions
Just a hint: Think about which other teams were interested in landing Salmons (see ESPN, Amick and others)
Some of our direct competitors were rumored to be chasing Salmons, and now he is going to Chicago. So a very minor deal from our side could have a pretty big indirect benefit, independent of what we get out of it in terms of players and other assets.
That said, I still have hope for a bigger one.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
If this is KP's only move
I will literally epically die laughing. Book it!
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
it's been done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3zCQzZx68
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
Really Ruffin?
KP, I am completely underwhelmed
2 games only
thts crap
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Independent of other benefits from this deal, is Michael Ruffin better than Cheik Samb ;-)
Who was my definition of a trade that would create an “underwhelmed” reaction in the trade poll.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
LOL i was thinkin about your poll hilarious
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end of the moves before the deadline
KP is a product of the way the Spurs handle things. Here is what TimmyD said about the Spurs efforts to get Vince:
“No offense to Vince, obviously he’s an excellent player,” Tim Duncan told a website Sunday. "We’d love to have him. But to give up most of our team to add one guy, I don’t think that’s the way you want to go.
“It’s a long season and we have a lot of guys who have been here a long time and understand the way we want to play. Just to insert one new piece and try to teach him in half a season the way we want to play isn’t the way that we work.”
While the Blazers wouldn’t have to gut the team to make a the numbers work in a Vince trade, with the Blazers trying to emulate the culture of the Spurs, it seems likely that the Blazers aren’t going to switch things up on the fly.
Michael Ruffin was a genius trade...
Opens up a trade exception, but more importantly:
Fearless prediction…
In one week, Ruffin will be cut, and Blazer cult hero STEVEN HILL will be added to the roster!!!!
That would be dope
I don’t know why I like that.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
If we don't trade RLEC...
can we sign him to a one year, $13 million extension?
At next year’s trade deadline, I would really miss all this fun we are having otherwise.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
Hendrickson hinted at that in an article
Raef could be used in a sign and trade, like Dallas did with Van Horn and the Lakers with McKie.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
LOL
love it!
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 18, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
In other news, Blazer fans are beating Spurs fans in the Ball Don't Lie 2 on 2 tournament
We already eliminated Kobe & crew. Go Blazers (fans)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
The mighty “”http://www.fearthesword.com/" target="new">Fear the Sword" and all 15 commenters.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I thought it was Feathersword.
Which means something if you have kids young enough to watch the Wiggles.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
I always think it's about two guys going potty in the same toilet.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
That reminds me of this one time...
In college. Boy, was I drunk! And me and a couple of my buddies…. You know what, never mind.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
Salary Cap?
I can’t come up with a LeBron leaves Cleveland joke right now
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Awww man the s word is so bad to say!!!
In 1st grade our teacher always said “SSSSHHHHH” to get us quiet and we would always say “IT” to make it a bad word and it was deviously genius of us.
at this point.
It seems like were not going to make a move. ESPN is reporting that both the Carter and Gerald Wallace talks are dying and we’re getting closer and closer to that deadline. I still don’t understand this move if were not going to do anything else..
Diogu coulda thrown that ball at least two feet higher.
We got so burned in this deal.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
New trade rumor
Clyde Drexler for Mike Rice. I think we’re getting jobbed.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions
LA just dumped Chris Mihm on Memphis
For a 2013 conditional second round pick. Markus Camby 2.0
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Now that Diogu is gone, who’s going to pull a Tonya Harding on Darius Miles’ knee tonight?
(Tonya, I say it with love…)
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions
its a kid on christmas with presents who wants “more” presents. we want “more” players. so ruffin’s face is shopped on it.
its an internet meme from i don’t know when exactly.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
You still keep the Bat Phone on you?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
we'll break news to you and then you can break it to the players
it’ll be fun
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
"Frye, why are you here? You've been traded to the Knicks again"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOooOoOoooOOoooOoooOOOOoooooooo ooo ooooo oooo ooo oo o…
Oh golly...
think of all the misinformation we can feed Ben in the next 45 minutes.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
I need some Xanax or Valium or something to calm me down
or i wont make till thursday
interesting.
Tommy Dee of The Knicks Blog has been tapped into the trade talks of both the Knicks and Blazers over the past few weeks and months and will be conducting a live chat at 9:00 PM EST this evening.
realgm
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Doesn't anyone care how Ike feels?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
I do
I hope both he and Frye can get dealt to a team they can PLAY for, so that they can earn their next deal.
I really do worry about that for guys like them, who have talent but no room to play.
This is the best thing that can happen for Ike, aside from going somewhere with NO power forwards. The Kings have Thompson and Hawes, though Hawes is a center.
Kinda like a marshmallow, but prickly on top.
Slightly oily also.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
Maybe he could commute to work in Sacramento from Portland?
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I would say...
He feels pretty dang good. He might get atleast some PT. The only thing he should feel bad about is not having Channing to talk to any more.
Trade exception?
I understand the mechanics of the trade exception — what I don’t understand is how we pulled off the Ike for Ruffin deal in the first place. 125% + 100,000 doesn’t cut it, and since both teams are over the cap, how did we do it?
sorry if this has been
covered ad nauseum, but I read both threads and couldn’t find an answer.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Cash?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
is that it?
my understanding of the CBA is that you couldn’t just throw in a million bucks and call it the same as trading a player making a million bucks — the actual salaries themselves have to match up to that 125% + 100k if both teams are over the cap, I thought. but I’m no expert…
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
REV YOUR ENGINES!
Carter + CDR for Raef, Sergio, and outlaw…do we like?
and we are battling for R-jeff with Cavs
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just reported on realgm,.
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no, just rumors of course
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Me likey
After reading the truehoop article about Vince I’m on the bandwagon
And it was
Carter+CDR+Ager for RLEC+Trout+Sergio
forgot bout ager.
my bad
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i agree...
sergio and outlaw are my least fav on the team, i think bayless can do what sergio does, but better, and ditto for VC over Outlaw…
and Chris Douglas-Roberts i liked last year
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It doesn't go on a player to player basis
So I’m assuming the whole package including Diogu chi received was within that 125%+100,000 while the Blazers cap situation doesn’t matter because they are bringing back less salary
but ESPN
reported it as a second, independent deal, which theoretically means that it IS a player to player basis….unless they misreported it, which is entirely possible at this point. I’m so confused. :( let’s all be thankful that I don’t have TP’s job.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
baller
thanks for the help. espn reporting it as a “second, independent deal” really threw me. as one it makes a lot more sense.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
NO!
we’d be FOOLS to trade Outlaw! FOOLS I SAY.
He’ll come back to haunt us with his 4th quarter heroics if we trade him. I’m warning you KP!
Nah
Brandon will just out clutch him.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
so I just plugged in a potential trade?
Since Ruffin’s numbers aren’t available yet in the trade machine, I substituted another Blazers contract in this deal and I have to emphasize this emphatically. THIS WAS DONE SOLELY FOR THE FINANCIAL EQUIVALENT OF MARK RUFFINS TRADE VALUE, IN NO WAY AM I PROMOTING A DEAL THAT GIVES BRANDON ROY TO ANY OTHER TEAM. I HAD TO USE HIS CONTRACT PRICE BECAUSE IT WAS THE CLOSEST ON THE ROSTER TO THE VALUE OF RUFFINS EXPIRING CONTRACT. Okay this is a potential second tier to portland’s dealings today that sends RLEC, C. Frye, Sergio Rodriguez, Shavlik Randolph and M. Ruffin to phoenix for wait for it… Shaquille O’neal. Now I would like to say that over the years I have not been the biggest fan of shaq, actually he has only really bothered me when he plays for a western conference team. However nobody can deny his greatness as a player, and while this doesn’t do much for us in the short term to shore up our small forward dilemma, it does bring a player who is probably the best available center in the league as well as being an incredible mentor for one Gregory Oden. Given the fact that Shaq will probably retire in the next two years it also does not keep us on the hook for long, at which point Oden would potentially gained an enormous leg up in his development. And really who would we be giving up? Four guys who for the most part aren’t or won’t see the court for any substantial minutes this year or next, and Sergio. Which opens the floor for Bayless to get more minutes. I don’t know I’m flip flopping on this one, but really we don’t give up much and we don’t have to deal with that much in the short term either, considering Shaq is probably on his way out.
Update
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
Chris Broussard: It looks like it’s Portland or bust for Vince Carter, according to a person with knowledge of the trade talks surrounding New Jersey’s star forward.
"It’s looking like it’s going to be head-to-head between Carter and Richard Jefferson," the person said. "I think Jefferson’s going to be the one who goes to Portland."
While Carter may be the better player, Portland’s concerned with Carter’s age (he turned 32 last month) and the three years, $51 million left on his contract (though only $4 million of the $18 million in his final season is guaranteed).
The Nets have their own concerns about Carter’s contract and that’s why they’ve been shopping him. They’ve spoken with San Antonio, Houston and Dallas but nothing has come of those talks.
Discussions with San Antonio have broken down because the Spurs, while willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto, are not willing to include Roger Mason Jr. and George Hill in the deal.
Houston would have traded Tracy McGrady for Carter, but McGrady’s announcement that he’ll have season-ending microfracture surgery killed those chances.
"There will be no Vince deal," another source close to the situation said, referring to the Rockets.
The Los Angeles Clippers, who since training camp have regretted signing Baron Davis to a five-year, $65 million deal, have tried to get involved, proposing a three-team move that would send Davis to Houston, McGrady to New Jersey and Carter to LA. But no one but the Clippers liked that deal.
If Carter doesn’t go to Portland, will the Nets send him wherever they can?
"I’d be surprised if they did a straight salary dump, but at the end of the day that might be best for their organization," said one source.
As for Milwaukee’s Jefferson, it’s far from a done deal that he’ll join the Blazers. The Bucks would love to send Jefferson to Portland in a deal that would bring back Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract, but another executive close to the talks said, "It’s not dead but there’s nothing happening right now."
The Bucks’ talks with San Antonio about Jefferson have stalled as well.
Portland’s telling teams it has 15 different players it can get for LaFrentz. But many executives around the league are skeptical, saying the Blazers like to talk about deals but are always hesitant to pull the trigger on anything significant.
IKE MAKE YOUR DANG LAYUPS
Carter = 51 mil + LTax = NUTS
I don’t see any team trading for him at all.
Now that we have this trade exception
any player out there could help us this year will fit that $3 mil price tag?
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