David Aldridge: Salmons to Chicago; Ruffin to Blazers
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST
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The Kings agreed on Wednesday to a trade that sends forward John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for forwards Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni, according to league sources that spoke with David Aldridge.
Discuss.
Sam Amick recently had an update that mentioned Ike Diogu as well.
UPDATE: ESPN's Chris Sheridan has a separate deal: Michael Ruffin from the Bulls to the Blazers for Ike Diogu.
Sweet Jesus. Lock up your daughters and sisters.
UPDATE: Ike Diogu is a King. Here's the latest from Sam Amick.
According to numerous league sources, a trade sending Kings players Brad Miller and John Salmons to Chicago in exchange for Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, Michael Ruffin and Cedric Simmons has been agreed upon and is pending league approval.
In a separate deal with Portland, Ike Diogu comes to the Kings for Ruffin. The Kings are also expected to receive approximately $1 million in the trade with Portland.
Please: a moment of silence for Ike Diogu's Blazer career.
Stay tuned. More as this develops.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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blazers involved?
this espn link leaves a juicy nugget implying the blazers are about to make a trade…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
JAH
I saw that too.
Exciting, unless it is truly for only that guy.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
It has to be Hinrich, or a three way deal somewhere else
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hinrich makes now sense though.
We have a point guard.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
are you kidding?
Who wants hinrich? Ruffin is averaging career highs in points up .2 from his career 1.8 to 2.0
"Intent is prior to content, the question is, does this generation really want truth?"
"Cogito ergo sum" -Descartes
deng is coming to portland
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
or we're trading him for someone else
one of those three or four ways KP likes.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
dons't salmon and deng play the same position?
is deng avalialbe now?
bayless leaves over my dead body
Hmmmm
You may be on to something.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
good point
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Salmon could play SG and they could use a big SG
No size in the back court
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
You scared me
I thought at first you meant LaMarcus Aldridge to Sacramento for Salmons.
Joel Freeland=Stud
That's exactly what I read too, i almost died
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
me too for a sec
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Same reaction here
I was just scanning for names. For a split second I also had Nocioni coming to Portland. Heart skipped a beat, then I actually READ the darn post.
Thanks, I'm not sure how much my heart can take
If you keep playing on my emotions Ben!
Joel Freeland=Stud
he does it for increased readership
sick huh?
sigh
sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
by BlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Flagged for a fake rec
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, c'mon, its time for the Ruffin celebration!
Don’t get us down.
Celebrate! Ruffin’s soon to be court time, C’mon!
".. is gumby an alien?"
rec
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Oh sweet..
Ruffins in the place to be.
NICE JOB, KP!!!!
I can sleep well tonite.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
we just cleared one of our many expiring contracts
Now i have to go figure out how long Ruffing will be collecting DNP.
So...
Blazers are making a trade and Chicago is in the mix… interesting.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Ruffin - The Muffin Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bqF4VDSx4
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
Well I don't think he will be in during the 4th quarter for us
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Funniest. Play. Ever.
Heck, Travis Outlaw no longer has the lowest basketball IQ on the team.
Of course, the trade was made to cut the luxury tax bill and garner a trade exception of over $2 million.
Heinrich... it has to be right?
omg im dying
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Trade machine says Diogu for Ruffin doesn't fly.
What else is in this deal?
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
It works as a 3-way
Chicago in: Salmons, Miller
Chicago out: Nocioni, Gooden, Ruffin
Sac in: Nocioni, Gooden, Diogu
Sac out: Salmons, Miller
Portland in: Ruffin
Portland out: Diogu
Could just be a small deal for like Channing or Ike
BTW, what are the Kings doing here? Clear CAP space, but take on Nocioni’s trainwreck of a contract?
but the blazers have to get something from it.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
ruffin is a 32 yo garbage player anyway. it has to be filler. my money's on a hinrich + deng move.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Agreed on the pieces
but those pieces may not come to P-town. KP likes it kinkier.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
there were reports that any deal involving hinrich (who is now avail) had ot involve nocioni going too.
i bet we are taking hinrich, sac takes on nocioni and we give something to sac…like raef or channing
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yeah
but it’s a separate deal, so Sac may not be involved.
this is killing my productivity.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Ruffins for Ike!
FINALLY
The blockbuster deal I’ve been waiting to see! It’s happened! It’s FINALLY happened!
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
oops
I got so excited I spelled the man’s name wrong, no S
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
You mean "in KP we trust?"
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Sit down Channing Frye
Michael Ruffins is in the house!
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Now sit down again.
He does need some exercise.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Now we can finally start that Ruffin fan club we've all been dreaming about!
We be “ruffin’” it up!
".. is gumby an alien?"
Mortimer's..
a pit bull in a skirt.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Raise your expectations. Were sending Diogu for Rose. Sheeeesh,,,,,,
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
not just rose
also 4 of their 6 championships are going to be ours now
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Feb 18, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
KP is Da man
Do we get to retire Jordans jersey in the rafters?
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
i actually laughed out loud at that
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
classic
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
if we swung that
I think chicago might lynch the owners.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
If you add Sergio and Raef, we could land Hinrich in a three-team trade
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
That is what I am thinking
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
doesn't make sense
while you still have blake… who hasn’t been playing…
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Another possibility is we are trading Ike for Ruffin + filler + a second round pick
That kind of bombshell has KP written all over it
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
It works
Trade machine says it works if you plug the whole 3 team deal in.
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
Potentially
Either getting some additional cap room for us for the sake of a cap room, or that we can more easily take on a larger contract.
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
Or a second round pick.
This seems a lot more likely than any deal for Deng or Hinrich.
newsflash:
“KP trades entire second round for second pick in first round.”
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 18, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
We can cut Ruffin
And have an open roster spot. Flexibility FTW!
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
Ike was already expiring
so this deal shouldn’t change the cap situation. It might reduce our luxury tax payments though (since Ruffin’s contract is smaller than Ike’s).
Ike for Ruffin + MJ's retired jersey
25 years in the making…
Bowie is finally off the hook
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
And the rights to Viktor Khrypha?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Benji, I sincerely hope...
you have 20 browsers open, 10 radio stations on, 5 tv channels, and a freaking CB next to you….cuz I’m leaving it here to see the updates!!!!
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
stay tuned. you have no idea. i should film myself right now.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Don't worry
I’ve been filming you for months.
by Mortimer on Feb 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Ever see that episode of CSI...?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
make it green
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Candidate for best line of the month.
Rec’d.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We're relying on you, Ben...
Did you hear me? We’re relying on YOU…
WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TRADES THE SECOND THEY HAPPEN OR THERE IS DANGER SOMEONE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET WORK DONE.
Don’t let it happen. Our lives are in your hands, dude. Mr. Lebowski asked me to repeat that: Our lives are in your hands.
I need to go into trade detox.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
im happy for ike
if he is able to go there and get some playing time. he could be a good fit for them, a low post guy maybe off the bench. well all know he wasn’t getting any burn here
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
This seems dang exciting right now. just watching the chatter pop up on my screen.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
fingers crossed he gets time in chi
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Can we please have a moment of silence for IKE!!!!
POUR OUT A LITTLE LIQUOR FOR THOSE PEARLY WHITES
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
nice guy
didn’t break rotation, and he’s getting us a Rose Muffin. I mean… I’m sooo sad….
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
One for my homie.
Cheers.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
good thing i already have my OE 800 in hand
"Don't worry about the wind, adjust the sails." -Ted Turner
by ripcityinSantiago on Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Besides
there’s blood in the water and the sharks are hungry.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Ike coulda been a contender
I think he’ll be a solid rotation player in a couple years. He’s just like Big Baby, only better and more emotionally stable in every way. You telling me the Celtics wouldn’t rather have Ike bricking fifteen footers than Baby? I’m not buying it.
Cheers, Ike.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
took the word out my mouth homie
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Precursor to another trade? Blazers get 2 million trade exception from Bulls
Ike for Ruffin doesn’t work unless the Bulls use their trade exception. Tom Penn is at work here.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
by blzrfan on Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't there need to be another player involved?
I thought player + TE for player deals wren’t allowed…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
don't know
but I 100% don’t expect that to be a straight up trade. No gain for blazers, so why do it? There has to be purpose and advantage and free muffins from the muffin man are nice, but not enough.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
he is a vetren
we do need some
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
but we need ones that do more
than make muffins
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
hey maybe his muffins
could give them the energy to start games strong?
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
wait
why do the bulls have a 2 million dollar TE, and doesn’t including it + ruffin’s salary exceed 125% of ike’s salary?
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
okay
just checked coon’s FAQ. can’t combine the TE with ruffin. so how did we get a $2 mil TE?
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Ruffin was first traded to Sactown, and then in a second "independent" deal from Sactown to Portland
Tom Penn for the win
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
but both teams are over the cap
so how did we pull that independent trade off? 125% + 100,000 doesn’t work.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Now, who had Ruffin in the trade bets poll? Show of hands please
Anyone? Bueller?
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
What position does he play? He has a pretty name.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." -Bertrand Russell
I have had my eye on Ruffin for a while
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
the swat against denver
is my play of the year
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Always looking to the future...
never mindful of Where He Is.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I will really miss him, that one play he had was amazing.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I liked Ike
though my grandparents voted for Stevensen.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Go Adlai
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
This is hilarious, look at how crazy this board is getting over Michael Ruffin.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
MUFFINS!!!!
I hear he delivers EVEN on sundays.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol. i love it. live entertainment.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
I know
Imagine what will happen when we do an actual trade
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I wonder what would happen if Ruffins was it?
All this waiting and hoopla and that’s the only thing KP does.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
if its Deng or Heinrich.
then the bulls are blowing up the whoe works then????
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Definitley not Deng
Dealing Hinrich would indicate the Bulls are serious about their future.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
We would have known
The article talked about players getting off the team bus.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Holy Crap
Finally!
I have been refreshing and refreshing and refreshing ESPN and BE for the last several weeks. Finally something has happened, and legitimized the fact that I have done nothing but use the trade machine at work for the last 2 weeks.
by Half Man, Half Amazing on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
trade exception
did we get the trade exception? maybe it sets up a bigger deal for deng hinrich, play hot potato w/ the trade exception to save chicago more $ ?
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
i'm willing to be the trade exception would be used
on something cool and shiny.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
We are getting Michael Ruffin.
Let it sink in. The road to the championship GOES THROUGH PORTLAND, BABY!
Insurance for Oden's knee, no doubt.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
You never know
Ruffin might pull starter for defense and then we pull Oden off the bench for his explosive scoring.
It’s Ruffin time! Can’t touch this!
".. is gumby an alien?"
Do you know the Muffin Man?
the muffin man, the muffin man?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
If Chicago is getting Salmons, they can get rid of Deng
I’m raising my hand to volunteer.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." -Bertrand Russell
Ruffin for Diogu works
according to realgm.com. I don’t think it’s precursor to a bigger trade for the Bulls and Blazers. Because if info had gotten out wouldn’t the star’s names have come out first?
by neutroticblazerfan on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions
Who'se cooler
Benny Bull, Benny Beaver, or Benny Blogger?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
1. Blogger
2. Beaver
3. Bull
17. Blaze
98. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
why do the trade then?
kp would make a small trade unless it set something else up. the question is then who or what were and when
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
well
he did trade green, but I believe there was concern at teh position and too many pg’s.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
why would KP trade a 25 PF who never gets in for a 32 year old PF who wont play either if he wasnt trying to do something else
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
It gives Diogu a chance to play for SOMEONE
At the very least, it gives Diogu a chance to play for a deal (he’s in the last year of his rookie contract).
Maybe it gives us a vet, and lets Diogu earn a deal somewhere.
I dunno.
by Mortimer on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It removes his cap hold?
I still think another trade is in the works, but that might make sense if we’re keeping Raef and looking for a free agent.
very solid point. he was gonna be a RFA--now we don't have to worry about that. we extended Martell, that just leaves Frye as an RFA loose end..
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
That was going to be my guess.
I was waiting until I had read down to the bottom before posting it.
Not sure enough of the details to take a swipe at how valuable that might be, but I’d think it adds a little bit of flexibility for KP. The cost isn’t exactly great, as Ike wasn’t seeing playing time anyway and Ruffin has a reputation for being a very hard worker, a good teammate and physically tough, all traits that might prove useful for the rest of the season.
Who knows, it might also be a way of KP building some good will by being the third party that facilitated the deal.
hakkaa päälle !
Valid point
Who knows, it might also be a way of KP building some good will by being the third party that facilitated the deal.
Flexibility is always welcome, and as you said, a little goodwill never hurt anyone. Especially when you may have alienated some potential partners earlier in the year, a bit of image rehab doesn’t hurt at all
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
Its all about the Benjamins for the Blazers
The Blazers save a little bit of money on their luxury tax bill by doing this deal. The Kings do the deal because the money the Blazers send over with Ike make up the difference in salary and they get a youthier player at the same position.
Aren't we just slightly above the luxury tax
Is this just to get us below the tax
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions
do u mean francis
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Franchise comes off the books this season as does LaFrentz
and thus neither count towards the Blazers tax.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I think he does
Overated undersized knicks guard
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
with a stupid nickname
can you think of a less deserving nickname than stevie franchise or starbury for those 2?
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
but if you're all hipster ironic
they work VERY well.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
We would get a traded player exception of almost 3 million in that deal
Tom Penn is at work. Chicago would be deeper in the luxury tax if that was the only deal, and they hate that.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
what does that mean exactly?...
is that an exception we could use in a different trade?…
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
so...
we could turn around and make a trade with another team taking on 3 millionish more value wise than we are giving up?…
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
Make that 2 millionish, sorry
The Bulls have a trade exception from an earlier deal (Wallace?), and could absorb that additional salary. But it would put them deeper into the tax. It’s a bit confusing, and I hope that’s not all.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
he is the Blazer assistant GM
and capologist. He was the one who made the James Jones/Rudy Fernandez deal work.
5 million trade exception (Joe Smith)
But, it won’t be used in any deal because as you know so well by now, Bulls are never going to pay the luxury tax unless they are playing in Game 7 of the NBA Finals.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 18, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
where does it say Ike is involved? anyone?
how many times can I hit refresh on my BE homepage in 15 minutes….I’m wearing out my mouse.
...things go well I might be showing my O face...O...O...O...you know what I'm talking about.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5025005
It works..
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I told you
the psychic on Canzano’s show said there’d be a trade with Chicago.
Spanish Main: The point of departure for enormous wealth in the form of gold, silver, gems, spices, hardwoods, hides, alley-oops, assists and three pointers.
Also about 500 fanposts over the last month said it would be Chicago
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ruffin To Kings
says the Sheridan article
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
correction
Ruffin to Blazers, DIOGU to KINGS.
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
oh u guys caught it too :)
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Sactown Royalty thinks Diogu is going to the Kings not the Bulls
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hope this isn't our big trade of the year.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Von Wafer anyone?
KP’s annual “who cares” trade
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Hey, Wafer is a stud!
And if we hadn’t traded Green, he woulda won 3-4 games for us and gotten us into the playoffs!
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
wait
so KP screwed up?
man!
or was it BY the trade for waffer that we won 3-4 games…. how many did waffer play in?
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
this is the latest…
According to numerous league sources, a trade sending Kings players Brad Miller and John Salmons to Chicago in exchange for Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, Michael Ruffin and Cedric Simmons has been agreed upon and is pending league approval.
In a separate deal with Portland, Ike Diogu comes to the Kings for Ruffin. The Kings are also expected to receive approximately $1 million in the trade with Portland.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Simply cutting money off the luxury tax
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
wait
so we’re PAYING the kings to take diogu???
There better be something else cool going on.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Ya still save money
(I think), because Ruffin is cheap and Ike is a rookie deal.
Or sumthin’.
Look, I just work here, I dunno.
pay 1 million to more
his salary is about 1/4 of diogu’s, so you save that difference. plus, this takes us below the tax threshold, so you save that dollar for dollar money AND you get in on the cash payout. that’s several million more.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
The Blazers are that close to the luxury tax line?
I thought they were several million over the threshold
Sac Town's take.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/2/18/763315/brad-miller-john-salmons-t#comments
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
yay!
Michael Ruffin committed a costly error for his team in the dying seconds of a March 30, 2007 game against the Toronto Raptors. With his Washington Wizards up 109-106 with 3.8 seconds left, Ruffin intercepted a Raptors half-court inbounds pass only to heave the ball in the air to try to allow the remaining time left on the clock to run out, but the ball was not thrown high enough and the Raptors’ Morris Peterson caught the ball on its descent and made a 31-foot three-point shot with 0.2 seconds remaining to tie the score and send the game into overtime. The Raptors went on to defeat the Wizards, 123-118.
by StinkyMojo on Feb 18, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That is spectacular
The coach’s response had to be right out of Anchorman:
What’s that? You ate an entire wheel of cheese?
I’m not even mad – that’s amazing.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
ain't that Ruffin tuff
der da neeno nurr. Whang Whang! – The Fabulous Thunderbirds
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Sam Amick's updates has Ike going to the Kings not to the Bulls. Is that a mistake or is this?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
thats true.
Ike to Sac, according to ESPN article.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
then the trade posted that "works" is incorrect
it has Ike going to chi town
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yeah its fixed. originally we thought it was two separate deals as reported on espn
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
$$$$$
We may get a trade exception. We do lower our payroll by quite a bit, and may get under the tax level. Ruffin’s a minimum wage scrub, Diogu is on lottery rookie scale.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
But you can make so many more signs
that could get on the big screen!
that's bc you haven't met the ruffin man.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
I can see KP now...
he’s fooled everyone with a nickel-and-dime deal, and nobody will expect it tomorrow when he does RLEC for LEBron.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
Say it ain't so
The Ike Diogu era is over?!?! Now my daughter will be teased about her name.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions
Her name is IkeDiogu Wilson.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
You're right. Sorry... couldn't resist.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
lol. didn't know if I should've hi-fived you or slapped you.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
Da Bulls got a decent player
Da Kings got scrubs and benchwarmers to welcome them to San Jose.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
The Kings "cut salary"
By replacing Miller for Nocioni’s longer worse deal.
I like Petrie… maybe he just liked Noc?
Noc is a good dirty player to have
despite his faults, he will fall on a grenade if needed.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I apologize
Of course, I only joke about Nocioni’s death, and if anything should happen I was here at Blazers Edge, right? You all saw me, right?
RIGHT?!?!?
He's going to replace Brad Miller
As the most annoying player on the Kings
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
You know, he has an Olympic gold medal after all
Which King can say that? No one, that’s who!
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
wow, why did we do this deal?
lol
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
Let it breathe
Just like on draft night, we gotta give the moves room to breathe so we can see what KP/TP really did.
i agree,
just curious as to what happens next =)
anyone have any preliminary thoughts? do we move him immediately to another team?
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
We get a trade exception in the deal, to be used later if needed
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
what exactly is a trade exception
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
when u take back less salary than you sent out, you create a trade exception that allows you to later make another trade for more money coming in (or even just take a player for free).
take a look at what we did with mr I punch PHX players (Zach Randolph)
Traded him for channing frye + francis (threw in filler on our end too) and CREATED AN EXCEPTION
That exception was used to trade for james jones. phoenix straight gave him up to us for free. they were cutting costs
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yah but its only 2 mil
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
otherwise they suffocate and die? I dont get it
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
he is saying
let the trade play out before we jump to conclusions.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
*facepalm*
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
brain... can't... breathe
work… not… happening…
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
b/c he's enjoying our freaking out
b4 the deadline!
sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
I bet he is reading this right now
Hey KP, quit reading this and Make It Better
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
I've had that thought too
He must be cracking up right now if he is.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
yeah, just WAIT
until something actually happens.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
owners of SBN are just counting money in their money basement
giggling.. i bet they manufactured the trade themselves
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
The best part is all the early comments and guesses ...
… before all the details came out. Like a bunch of housewifes gossiping at the back fence. It’s gotta be a deal for Deng. No, Hinrich. No, no, Hinrich and Deng. Wait, it’s Rose. KP is getting Rose. Nope, it’s a part of a bigger deal. (Bosh maybe? Yeah, that’s it. Chris Bosh is soon to be in Blazer black & red.)
hakkaa päälle !
OH THAT WOULD MAKE YOU SO HAPPY
MR. REASONABLE.
Yeah, I want everyone to remember DO NOT BE UPSET IF NOTHING MAJOR HAPPENS.
We got an awesome team right now, remember?
agreed
i was hoping for us to stand pat…we don’t really need to make a trade. IMO no one is on the trading block and we shouldnt make a trade that sacrifices out future when our team is performing far ahead of expectations. however to me this ruffin trade makes me think that there is going to be a part 2 tomorrow.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Feb 18, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
That's about it.
I’ve always been in the camps of
We have a good team as it is.
and
The justification for having to make a trade before the dead-line was way over blown.
hakkaa päälle !
Isn't that like the name of something in the Harry Potter franchise?
Huffinpuff or so
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Hufflepuff
the house at Hogwarts for the brain-dead wizards
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
i thought it had something to do with harold & kumar
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
BEN: still successful but here's the RIGHT trade...so far
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cy4ac5
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yeah i ran that too. it’s all god, got it fixed up there.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Best part...
If you run the trade it says that Sac loses 3 wins, Chicago gains 2 and PDX is unaffected.
the comments on sam amick's page are desperately hilarious. i remember being there once
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
...like when we traded for Kemp
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
yes, we got that cleared up. for the third time.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Right now the productivity of the Portland Metro area has just declined 75% reading about a Ruffin trade.
Keep up the great work Ben!!!
...things go well I might be showing my O face...O...O...O...you know what I'm talking about.
wow we cut 2 million in payroll
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
I'm glued to a Michael Ruffin thread
This is pathetic.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
CITE YOUR SOURCE
I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS SPECULATION! I’M TRYING TO GRADUATE, OKAY!?
man the deadline is stressful.
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
The Internets Are Alive
Ruffin to Portland, lol.
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
So long Ike
We hardly knew ye.
Hopefully he goes to Sactown and kicks some butt. As long as it’s not Blazer butt. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Chicago has to be in play
for another move, Deng and Salmons make no sense together. Portland would make sense, given that KP covets Deng, but something else (even if not Portland) is in the works.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
BE has 225 posts about an Ike trade and Blog a Bull has 139 posts about
a Noc, Gooden, Miller and Salmons trade. I guess Ike just means more to us than those guys do to them. We’ll miss you Ike!!!
...things go well I might be showing my O face...O...O...O...you know what I'm talking about.
One time
A few summers ago I went to Vegas and started out at the roullette table with 5 bucks. I spread it around, it hit my number, and I went on from there.
By the end of the 3rd day I had won 1400 bucks from that 5 dollars in chips.
RUFFIN AND THE TRADE EXCEPTION IS THAT 5 DOLLARS
Anyone remember Ben's twitter username
I know totally off topic, but was just thinking I could follow updates on my phone (if he is tweeting them) and try and get SOME work done… but then couldn’t remember his twitter name.
blazersedge
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
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I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Please Help!
I am to be foreign fans who not know all player in the NB and A.
Is Michael Ruxpin same man as bear with tape?
Is outside games good for jumping the shot?
Is dunk a shot on insides of paint?
Thanks for your things you know!
Yes. He is the bear with the tape. We still need to trade for the Tape though so be patient.
"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."
Welcome to Blazers Edge
On the right side of your screen is a column called “Fanposts”. Wait over there, and someone will be along shortly to answer all of your questions.
OK folks, here's how this is going down
Michael Ruffin is indeed becoming a Blazer. He will be introduced at a news conference before Friday’s game.
At that news conference after all of the pleasantries have been exchanged Ruffin’s eyeballs will start jerking back and forth wildly as his jaw goes slack. All of a sudden an enormous hand will claw out from Ruffin’s sternum. It will turn inward, rip a giant hole in him, and out will step Shaq O’Neal, proclaiming, “HA HA HAAAAAAA PORTLAND! I’M BAAAACK! IT’S YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE!” The stage will shake and media-types will scatter as he breaks into an enormous dance.
He will then eat Tom Penn.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
LOL check out the picture i just posted for maximum effect.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Dave is this a joke?
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
I think it's time we take up a collection to pay for a nanny for Baby PG.
Dave is definitely suffering from sleep depravation.
hakkaa päälle !
Almost certainly for a trade exception...
If this deal goes down today I’m assuming that KP can use the 2.2 mil in a separate deal tomorrow?
can't package it with players though
so unless you got a guy out there you really like that makes 2.2 or less, don’t get too excited
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
bq.
For another, teams cannot combine a Traded Player exception with other exceptions (such as the Mid-Level exception or the 125% plus $100,000 margin from another trade) in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, a team with a $1 million Traded Player exception cannot combine it with their $2 million player to trade for a $3 million player
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
It seems you're right.
However, you can use it in more complicated ways legally. From Coon 69:
Here is a more complicated example of a legal non-simultaneous trade: a team has a $4 million Traded Player exception from an earlier trade, and a $10 million player it currently wants to trade. Another team has three players making $4 million, $5 million and $7 million, and the teams want to do a three-for-one trade with these players. This is legal — the $5 million and $7 million players together make less than the 125% plus $100,000 allowed for the $10 million player ($12,600,000), and the $4 million player exactly fits within the $4 million Traded Player exception. So the $4 million player actually completes the previous trade, leaving the two teams trading a $10 million player for a $5 million and a $7 million player. From the other team’s perspective it’s all just one big simultaneous trade: their $4 million, $5 million and $7 million players for the $10 million player.
So it could be used in a multi-player trade with another team, if one of the players coming back is payed around that amount (and it doesn’t have to be a player we are targetting—maybe just one they want to get rid of as part of the deal).
If we don't end up with Deng by tomorrow I'm gonna staple cats to my face.
by StinkyMojo on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Please don't do that
to your face. Find something else to staple cats to.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
other cats!
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Staple them to dragline.
He likes cats.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds like a winner.
Another possibility is to go instead with a nail gun and try to see how many cats you can nail in place with it. If anyone complains, you can say you are doing a study on the distribution of cats in the neighborhood at any particular moment and it requires that they be stationary until you can come back to plot them.
hakkaa päälle !
Isn't science wonderful?
Be sure to have a paragraph at the end recommending further study…. and then wait to see how many grad students repeat the experiment as a cheap way to get published.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Very anxious
who knows what KP has up his sleeve. had no idea we were getting bayless last year. I highly doubt it’s just gonna diogu for ruffin and its over. theres something else going on here. maybe something big. we could end up with deng or salmons because they both play the 3 and even if u consider salmons a 2, the bulls already have a bug jam at both guard positions. very very very anxious!
Could just be a tax measre
but the trade exception might come in handy.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I thought so too
but every dollar the Blazers save in salary, is another dollar they save in the luxury tax payment.
If that is all KP does this year, I'm starting a BE meet to egg his house right now ;-)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
It would be like receiving an exclusive nude picture of a famous celebrity
And then finding out it’s Madonna.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Willard was a hunk in his earlier days.
I hear pics of him with the Rifleman command a premium.
hakkaa päälle !
I'm there.
Count me in.
Regarding BRoy:"Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning."
~Rob D from NBAmate
i know where he lives!
holler
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
Stalker...
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
weird huh
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
I thought you wanted to find out where Nic lives
But finding KP could be a step towards that goal
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
my cousin and kps son kj played on the same bball team
that’s why i said weird…
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
Roses are red
violets in bloom
Sophia’s in love
with Nicholas Batum
-Bow4Meow
So, when KP was talking about baking bread
he really meant muffins and was taunting us with a clue. gotta watch that guy.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
You're ruffin my feathers
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
could we get a 2nd round pick to/
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
Kp couldn't cut Ike Diogu
His cute eyes were just too much. He can gut Ruffin though, more roster space you see.
A favour possibly?
Something is coming….
LOL I FOUND IT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bqF4VDSx4
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
From Updated ESPN Story
The deal also involved a third team. The Bulls agreed to send Michael Ruffin to Portland, and the Trail Blazers would ship Ike Diogu to the Kings, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Chris Broussard.
So, I’m saying they needed help to make the money work, and we jumped on to save cash.
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
I checked Storyteller's site
This trade now puts us below the luxury tax.
Unfortunately I think this means we are not making any more trades
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 18, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions
add one more
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Peppers for Ruffin
You heard it here first – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
as in a fan of the club in beaverton?
or…
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
now we can make a trade with teams under the cap and not have the pay match
"I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better." jonestr
Reporter: Four assists tonight too, Travis. You're starting to shed that idea that you're just a shooter. You're starting to pass the ball more too...
Travis: (Deadpans) Aw, I just got tired..
ruffin from ruffin leaves ruffin
you gotta have somethin…
RealGM has a rumor
that Captain Kirk is going to Minnesota for EC’s and junk. (Brian Cardinal, Jason Collins).
Hey, Telfair’s probably available.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
Brian Cardinal is not exactly an expiring contract
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Collins is...
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I prefer Netflix myself...
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
DVD or those "free" sites.
Plus movie theaters from time to time.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
This is not a blockbuster...this is a
downloaded handy cam video thats grainy and has audience laughing, and is crooked.
and ends 2 minutes early
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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This MIGHT not be connected to anything that follows
it could simply be a standalone deal that saves Paul Allen 3 million bucks (2 mil in salary, 2 mil in tax, -1 million cash we reportedly sent Sac). So essentially we turn a guy who we weren’t going to play (and certainly weren’t going to give a QO to), unto cash.
Doesn’t mean we are done dealing, just might mean that this is totally unrelated to anything else.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
trying to make up for Miles
“OH Crude PA, didn’t mean to scooge you out of 13 billion! Here, we’ll do this trade to save you three man. Forgiven?”
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Also don't forget that now the Blazers luxury tax payers
they are luxury tax receivers. That may result in a large payment to the team as well.
With our trade exception we can trade the RLEC
for a larger expiring contract!
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
KP if your reading this
i miss ike, trade some 2nd rounders to get him back so i dont have to buy another replica jersey
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
i absolutely did
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
This is why I haven't purchased another one
besides Roy for my GF. He’s the only player I KNOW is staying.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
true
any suggestions on who to get now? im thinking batum
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
lol, I say wait until tomorrow night to purchase any new Jerseys
unless you want an Oden/Roy/LMA one
Argh!
There hasn’t been any new information for minutes!
I want to (he claps his hands twice) but I gotta (he makes a serious face)
this summer
is this possibly just a move that would give portland the ability to spend a couple more million dollars on a free agent this summer? i know KP isnt big on midseason trades…
not really
Ike and Ruffin would both be off the books this summer, so this doesn’t really impact the capspace at all (unless you think we were going to give Ike the QO and carry his massive cap hold)
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I am excited to add a member of motown royalty
the 6th temptation!!
Davi…err Michael Ruffin!!!
/laughs at self
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions
I simply cannot believe how many posts for this minor trade
I sense an upcoming server meltdown if (when) KP pulls the trigger on a major deal.
And Timbo thought we couldn't even trade Ike...
(Which was never the case. Only back to Indiana wouldn’t have been possible, just like we can’t take back McBob which ruined a really nice three-team trade I had brewing between Indiana, Charlotte and us)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
he will
still live on in our hearts
by TyROYasaurus REX on Feb 18, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Now that he is a Blazer, I will begin over-valuing him.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." -Bertrand Russell
by TheTinfoil on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He was in a bad situation in Chicago, after all.
Unlike those wussies LMA and Frye, I bet Ruffin Tuff is at least willing to bang inside…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
analogy
super hot girl. things are going great. you make your move.. and you end up at second base and then she has to leave?! this HAS to be a set up for something else. am i right? otherwise you’ve got midseason trade family site and nothing to show for it.
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
Pretty sure my compute ris going to need to be restarted soon.
GOnna need an extra 4 gigs of ram to handle a bigger trade.
SI.com
is still saying PDX is talking to NY about David Lee. NY wants us to take Curry’s contract as well. Maybe this will facilitate that.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions
knicks pull Lee off market
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57361/20090218/knicks_pull_lee_off_the_market/
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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I never
really liked curry. It was just too spicy.
"Luck is the residue of design." - Branch Rickey
by TheObjectiveMike&Mike on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I like Thai curry
must be the coconut milk.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe so
There wasn’t as much going on all over the league last year, though, and we didn’t have a RLEC with much of the money paid off by insurance.
You could be right, and we can’t let ourselves be upset over it.
Best move sometimes is a non-move.
Dave/Ben
Have you told SBN that they need to get some more servers for when the Blazers make an actual trade?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I think I would curl up in a ball
and suck my thumb if this site went down in the next 22 hrs. I would not be able to take it!!!!!! lol
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions
Raef's contract is a HUGE asset, we have to cash in on it.
Richard Jefferson?
Luol Deng?
Vince Carter?
Caron Butler?
Tayshaun Prince?
Gerald Wallace?
David Lee?
Kirk Hinrich?
Andre Miller?
Shane Battier?
Chris Bosh?
Ruffin.... yeah baby
I think we officially are a dynasty now!
I hope Mr. Ruffin isn't thinking...
“Hey I think I’ll do a google search for some blazer blogs to see what they think”
We're nicer than the guys on blogabull...
a bunch of bitter lads in Chicago there are…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Heck,
I can not even keep up.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions
And to think that the Ike Diogu era
only lasted seven months.
When KP pulled off that big trade, sending Jack to Indiana to land Diogu, who would have thought that Jerryd Bayless (who was obviously a throw-in at the time) would become the more important player?
We’ve played some of our winningest basketball in years this season, and it’s all due to Diogu.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
agreed
diogu IS the team, much like LeBron is for the Cavs. look how great we are with Ike. this changes the landscape of not just portland, not just the nba, not just pro sports, not just the US, not just the world, but the entire universe. much like if the sun was taken away (as far as impact)
KP was pissed that Ike got that summer intern at EA Games versus
working on his real BBall game.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
by broyposse on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What's the opposite of win/win?
Lose/lose I guess.
Relying on Brad Miller for your long desired low post player= fail. Adding another swingman who only plays decently when he starts and plays terrible when not getting starts to an already too-crowded backcourt rotation= fail.
Dumping Brad and John Salmons for nothing but expirings= fail. Just a terrible deal for both fanbases.
So the Blazers win the trade then?
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
This bit of brilliant analysis will be skipped over or otherwise forgotten in the stampede, but
is it possible that Ike was traded in part so that he could get some playing time?
WTF Ruffin?
Ike Diogu is better than Ruffin so why are we sending him and money to someone? This could be a cost a cutting move before we trade for VC. And I’m actually in favor of that now. Good article on VC trade value at truehoop
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-202/What-s-Vince-Carter-Worth-.html
Great
now Ike is going to go Jermaine O’neal on us an become an all-star, shouldn’t have done it
RLEC + Ruffin = Vinsanity
the numbers are almost exact with Ruffin’s trade exception. trade machine rules.
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
interesting link us?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 18, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I did it! I reached the end of the comments!
Quick, must post this and find another thread before someone comments again…!
Remember last year?
Our blockbuster deadline day trade was … Taurean Green for Von Wafer.
Here’s a link to Dave’s expectations for Von Wafer. Can we move those expectations onto Ruffin now? Things like : “—Because of Von Wafer the Blazers’ annual charity coat drive will no longer be necessary, as all children in need will now grow soft and attractive fur during the winter months, the better to protect them from cold.”
Engineer Scotty made the announcement
And I have the same question this year.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Michael Ruffin can't be endgame for trades.
That’s simply ludicrous, and would be a blight against mother nature. It simply violates the laws….all of them.
Who did the Sacramento Kings release to create roster space to facilitate this trade?
Obviously, Sam Cassell is one of the casualties. Quincy Douby probably got the axe, too.
huh?
he didn’t say that. He said that this Ruffin thing is nothing to get excited about. There was nothing about a future deal happening or not happening.
This reminds me of last year's Crap KP Nothing Pseudodeal, which sent the non-playing Green out for the non-playing Wafer.
And the Blazers missed the playoffs for lack of a 4 who can mash.
Imagine that!
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
dont forget that von wafer unleashed earlier this year for HOU and will now that tmac's out
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
This is basically a polite way of cutting Ike's big cap-hold... This guy coming in hasn't played, won't play, and will be gone...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Meanwhile, I am TORQUED that Salmons and Miller got away...........
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Yes, he is. He's a real live scoring 3, which we do NOT have with Marty hurt...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
37 minutes a game, 18.3 ppg.
Why on earth would you call that “not that good?!?!?”
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Bill Russell averaged 15.1 for his career. Just sayin'....
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Ya can't compare Salmon's 18.3
On a horrible team, getting whatever shot he wants, to Russell’s 15.1… I know you know that, but it must be said, that it is an awful way to look at it.
Salmons wants to start, is a good defender for the Kings but not a great defender overall, and while would be good bang for the buck he’s not exactly doing anything we’d need.
We’re already great scorers, I’d rather have Batum’s defense over Salmons, even if Salmons is better at defense than Outlaw is.
We could really use a gooder, banging back PF, so we agree there like always.
Just as an example (Salmons is more of a complete player), but if you put Outlaw on that Kings team, a team that has had Martin out for a good chunk of the year, and able to give Outlaw 15-20 shots a night, he’d average at LEAST 18.3.
It doesn’t make Outlaw any better than he is now… a bench scorer.
Salmons can only do what he does if he is the #1 or #1B option, not if he’s option 4/5 like he would be on the Blazers.
He’s not bad at all, just not what we could use.
Morty
Blazers #3 option is Outlaw, which what Salmons would have been...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Put it this way
Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter are both said to be available for RLEC. They are both WAY better than Salmons.
I'm confused
With Brandon, LMA and in theory Greg, why do we need another “shooter” in the starting five. Salmons is one of those players that needs to have plays for him. I think he would be fantastic coming off the bench. But just don’t see him being a fit for a team with a 10 man rotation which the Blazers currently have.
by bigdaddy4838 on Feb 18, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Nic Batum is a non-starter offensively, even though he's a starter. Backing him up we have, who exactly?
Travis? Rudy?
Travis can’t do anything unless he’s matched up on (mismatched) power forwards…
Rudy is a shooting guard out of position…
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Salmons has never shown the ability to contribute
to a winning team. He has a long history of sulking if not given his shots and playing time.
That doesn’t sound like our ideal small forward. I’m glad Chicago got him and we didn’t.
True
But you think Salmons is going to be happy getting 15-20 mpg? I don’t. He has a rep in the league of not being a team player.
by bigdaddy4838 on Feb 18, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Look at it this way: With this little deal, we also prevented other teams from getting Salmons
Some of which are direct competitors for a playoff spot ;-)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I'd say he gets an "I" (incomplete)
There hasn’t really been an in-season trade he has messed up on, or that was a major one he has done.
Basically, he’s done so well drafting and with cheap signings, there hasn’t been anyone we wanna trade.
I looked at a box score from 2005
we had Damon, Zach, Travis, and Joel on our team, with almost nothing else. It’s not like KP inherited a team with a lot of assets to trade. The ONLY way to rebuild was through the draft, not trading.
I'm not saying he's bad at it, just that it isn't focus.
This would certainly seem to be a great year for him to pull the trigger.
You're a nice teacher, giving an E for effort...
KP tubed last year’s playoffs and he’s one day from doing the same damned thing two years in a row.
Quote me.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
.......it was a white flag. But we have a wonderful team culture...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
This team needs NOW a small forward that can score the ball and a backup PF that knows he's supposed to play in the paint, not hoist long jumpers...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I'm sure we'll draft to fill both those needs in this year's second round, just in time for 2015-16...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Your SF has a high chance of coming according to many rumors
With the PF, I’m not sure
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I don't believe it until I see it. But we could have had MILLER AND SALMONS.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
We couldn't offer something as awesome as the Noc ;-)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Grrrrrrrr. Of course, Nocioni is just the style of big that they love at Sacramento -- which is why Sacramento sucks.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Miller is nowhere near what you want in a backup PF
and if KP is targeting a SF, Jefferson is much MUCH much better than Salmons.
Miller is a terrific passer
But he’s not a paint dwellar either, he’s a jump shooting big man.
He’s tough though, in that every-team-wants-to-punch-him way.
I’m not gonna get bent out of shape for Miller and Salmons, but I’d hope we can pull something off. I just won’t get my panties in a bunch if we won’t, because we’re 4th in the West and no one else is primed to knock us out of that spot.
Morty
I will take the tough. And point taken on him having a case of Channing disease. But the tough is worth LOTS on this team...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
He stopped caring and starting smoking a lot of dope
go ask over at Sactown Royalty what his effort is like.
What came first, the chicken or the egg -- the empty seats or the players that want out?
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I agree
I want more toughness, less niceness, and that comes best in the form of an outside vet, not a gentle giant who hurts on accident like Oden or a brash rookie like Bayless.
Oh yeah.. like Cablinasian points out, the Brad Miller pot stuff mighta’ made him a no go in the first place.
What trade could we have POSSIBLY made
That would give us 9 extra wins?
I thought we were pushing it to get to 41 already.
I dunno who we coulda’ got something good for, outside of Roy/LMA/Oden. And I seriously doubt we coulda’ got Devin Harris.
I’d be upset if we didn’t do something to make us better just because we love our guys (and we didn’t think they could win), but last year was just a growth year…
I can’t think of anyone we coulda’ traded that woulda’ made a difference… not a win-50-games-difference.
Mortimer
Maybe KP had an eye towards
bolstering the front line of the Idaho Stampede.
by Pooh Richardson on Feb 18, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions
from RealGM (for what it's worth)
Carter (and Ager and Douglas-Roberts) to Portand for RLEC, Trout and Sergio
Oooh, Katy bar the door!
notice that the "read full article" link
pops open a window to an article written by (drum roll please) Adrian Wojnaoidsnflaknsdfiand-ski (sp?), so it might not be the most credible article. Also note the time it was posted was noon eastern.
The NY media make up crap all the time. Instant "scoop"!!!
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I know we're 'sposed to be mad at him about the Miles stuff
But has he been wrong about trades stuff before?
I have him filed in my head as a guy who has actually been correct about stuff.
This team does NOT need an overpaid geriatric shooting guard!!!
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I don't WANT him to be correct
But if you wanna win now, like you’re saying, Carter would be a LOT better SF than Salmons is.
And Douglas-Roberts is a good perimeter defender, I believe.
Man, if only VC was a rental, and not a long term investment…
But throughout his career
he’s been just as much of a 2 as a 3. He’s got the same body as Roy.
Didn’t he play the 2 when Kmart was hurt?
He's a swingman, for sure. But Carter is a pure 2, unless I'm mistaken...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I didn't realize he was 6'6" until I looked it up a few minutes ago. So he might work...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
VC is versatile
He can easily be the SF, and he has even been the Nets back PG when injuries forced them to. He’s a lot like Roy in this regard.
AK1984 would beam from ear to ear if VC became a Blazer, since he’s been calling for it since last season I think.
For example, the only reason Richard Jefferson is a ‘pure’ SF and Carter is a swingman, is because VC is much more versatile. He’s totally capable of being a 3, and is better than Jefferson.
That contract though, arrrgh! He’s been healthy the last few years though.
Arrrrgh!
I’d be surprised, and it’d be a ballsy choice if KP goes for VC. We’d probably win more right away, and in the playoffs too. I wonder if VC is okay letting Roy be Roy, but thus far he has been okay with Harris being Harris.
I dunno.
Mort
You are mistaken.
But then you’ve done a brilliant job of proving that in this thread.
Of course, I could also be mistaken. Given your knowledge and expertise on the NBA game and talent, it’s possible that Paul Allen and Larry Miller are at this moment contemplating replacing Pritchard with you.
hakkaa päälle !
VC has played SF before
And he would again, if we got him. He’s got the body for it. He’s versatile enough.
Mort
He said Miami was a big player in the Amare sweepstakes three hours before Marion was traded to Toronto
He rumored about a three team trade with Memphis as the facilitator.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
And that's what happened there as well
So we can basically start getting ready our arguments for why we are happy VC is a Blazer, is what you are saying.
Well, yeah, except that Marion was going to another team and Memphis and Amare wasn't involved his report was right
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Just because
he wrote some not so nice things about Kevin Pritchard/Blazer’s front office doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have reliable sources.
If your distrust is just because he was up in arms against Portland for “the email” than you shouldn’t trust anything almost any reporter has to say because I think it was just about 100% that the media was against Portland in that, right or wrong.
I mean, everything he wrote that wasn’t opinion-based was actually correct wasn’t it? He broke the story about the email AND he broke the story about the Blazers trying to sign Miles. I’d think that he should be considered an incredibly reliable source of NBA information.
by portlandpete on Feb 18, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
you're right
im probably unnecessarily distrustful of him, but it’s more of an institutional distrust of “professional” sports writers. Besides, how many of those trades that he’s written about have come true?
P.S. an ’eastern conference official" is kind of a nebulous source imo
I guess
when we’re dealing with trade rumors, every reporter should not be necessarily trusted because of the amount of information going on out there. I don’t imagine any reporter’s percentage is very good on trade rumors.
by portlandpete on Feb 18, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Note: Vince Carter is playing against the Mavs right now, so no deal imminent today
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Genius maneuvering!
I see it all now. We can trade Aldridge for Amar’e now. Ruffin is our answer at the four, and LMA is spare parts.
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