Bonus Post: My Flights of Fancy Trades
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 AM PST
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PrintDue to my slow posting pace over the weekend I owe you guys some writing, so I'm following up yesterday's trade suggestion discussion with my final wrap-up of trades I wouldn't mind seeing.
Before we do that, however, a couple of quick notes on the Chandler-to-OKC trade:
1. I agree with almost everyone, including the Hornets' media folks, when they say that this is going to dampen New Orleans' chances. The Hornets weren't that good of a defensive team before Chandler arrived. He made some pretty bland defenders (Stojakovic, Peterson, West) look decent. That's what kept the Hornets good. It'll be hard to replace.
2. I hate having one of the worst teams in the league as a rival when we're getting better, but what the heck. I guess there's still some Sonics left in them after all. If you needed one more reason to hate OKC as a Blazer fan, this is it. Chandler-Przybilla IV...this time it's personal. Now I really, really want to whip the Thunder.
OK...on to the trade list. Little of this is new but I'm going to repeat a couple things that have been said in the sidebar or comment section only so far and also riff off of a couple of the ESPN rumors.
All of these trades mention people already rumored to be on the block. All of them work under CBA rules.
Trade 1
My favorite trade by far (and it's not close) is still the Portland-Phoenix-Toronto triangle involving Bosh and Stoudemire.
This nets the Blazers a ready-made, All-League power forward for the next decade. Some would consider the price high but considering the return and the way it frees up the rest of our roster to start playing instead of jostling for minutes, I do not. You have to trade something to get something. Phoenix would do this in less than a heartbeat. Outlaw is meant to tip Toronto over the edge and convince them to reunite Marion and Stoudemire in a nouveau Suns system.
I would sleep better at night knowing KP had at least gotten on the phone with Toronto about making this happen.
Trade 2
This is actually two trades smashed together, but it's an example of salary-cap-only moves that Portland might take advantage of. I call it The Forward Montage.
Obviously there are a lot of names there. Boiling it down, the Blazers just traded Travis Outlaw for David Lee and Gerald Wallace plus some expensive contracts for the next couple of years. They blew all of their cap space in one wad, but that's a pretty good couple of players--certainly better than you could get in the free-agent market and maybe better than you could get in a trade this summer after the salaries go up and you only get partial return on the RLEC. Charlotte is rumored to be OK with this deal if Mohammed is included. With the Jeffries option New York clears $6 million for the LeBron derby. With the Curry option (which almost surely would cause them to jump at this deal) it's over $11 million. All of the players Charlotte and New York receive in return have flexible contracts. It's assumed that most will be jettisoned. (Not Outlaw, I'd guess.) The Blazers would have an overstuffed frontcourt but realistically Mohammed and Jeffries or Curry could simply gather dust until their contracts became valuable. Portland would still have plenty of frontcourt depth with Oden, Przybilla, Aldridge, Lee, Wallace, Webster, and Batum. The backcourt isn't touched and would remain as is.
Trade 3
ESPN is reporting rumors of a Vince Carter deal with Houston and Portland being contenders. I prefer a triangle. I don't want Carter. I like some of Houston's assets. This deal was probably more realistic before McGrady went down, but here you go.
New
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This move gets Battier to Portland for essentially no cap cost as long as they release Artest at the end of the year, which I assume they'd do. The Blazers would still have the option to go $8 million or so under the cap to facilitate a summer trade or sign a free agent but they'd have Battier in pocket already. Artest's chemistry issues would be a worry but he's usually a good teammate for the first ten minutes and that's about all the longer we'd have him. New Jersey is supposedly interested in trading Carter for this exact package so no worries there. Houston is now the sticking point. Were McGrady not down I think they'd happily part with Battier and Artest to get Carter. But this now leaves them thin. Unfortunately there's no other realistic combination to accompany Battier, which would be Portland's stake in the deal.
Trade 4
I've gotten more e-mails in the last week asking if I'd really, really want to trade for Shaq. Some of them accuse me of making this my favorite deal, which is nowhere near true. Some of them accuse me of being crazy, which is also nowhere near true. Would I still do The Shaq Attack? If there were no more attractive offer out there, yes I would.
It's simply a matter of utility, folks. How much utility are you going to get out of LaFrentz, Channing, and Sergio in the next two years versus how much you could get out of Shaq in that period. If you have to go up against the L*kers and Andrew Bynum in the playoffs this year, which of the two sides of that trade would you rather have on your team? How about if you're facing New Orleans, suddenly without Chandler? Utah and Mehmet Okur? San Antonio? I don't like it nearly as much as the Bosh trade. I think the Battier trade and the Forward Montage all have their problems. This might have fewer.
I could do more but I think I've made up my lost time now. For those who will ask, I haven't heard anything that indicates that Caron Butler will be available for anything we'd give. (Notice I scrupulously avoided trading Rudy, Bayless, or Batum in any of these moves.) I don't like John Salmons because even though he's a good player he really has only flourished fully when injuries made him the #1 offensive option. I'd like Deng and/or Deng and Hinrich from Chicago but because of Deng's BYC status I don't see a practical way of making that happen. Hinrich alone is not that interesting because of his current contract and the fact that he's a partial upgrade but doesn't really revolutionize the roster.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Lee becomes a FA this year
and wants a lot of money. Do you really pay $8 million or whatever to retain him as a backup to LMA? If not, why trade for him?
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Yeah...I would
If nothing else somebody is going to be absolutely tradeable in another year or two. But basically I see the frontcourt eventually settling out to Oden-Aldridge-Lee at the big positions and Wallace-Batum at small forward. I think that’s doable.
—Dave
I admit, mind you
that the move is a little Whitsitt-esque. But these are young, good players instead of overpaid veterans on their way down. The keepers are also good character guys with well-rounded games. So it’s not entirely Trader Bob.
—Dave
Joel's role in that frontcourt?
Do you see Joel being traded?
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Eventually I see his role fading, yes
I don’t know if he’ll be traded or not. I know its sacrilege. I just don’t see him being as prominent three years from now as he is this season. I suppose this would hasten his reduced role, but really Oden is shaky enough this year in production, fouls, and health that he’d probably still be OK.
—Dave
I have a different question concerning Lee.
I love David Lee. But I’m no longer sure he is a good fit with Portland. The way he’s playing this season, he’s pretty much earned a nice new deal and – more importantly as far as it concerns Portland – starter’s minutes.
If you are Lee, do you really want to sign with a team that says you are going to be the backup PF/C?
hakkaa päälle !
The issue with a LaMarcus Aldridge and David Lee frontline for rougly 16 minutes per game is ...
how horrid they’d be at interior defense. It seems to me that you sell Joel Przybilla way too short there.
We need to have a backcourt
that doesn’t rely on it so much. Then we’d be fine for those shorter spurts.
—Dave
It's interior defense is what wins titles, however, no matter how much perimeter defense ...
makes an impact on the game. The 2004 Detroit Pistons didn’t win it all due to its supposedly amazing teamwork, but rather because of Ben Wallace’s outstanding weakside help defense and Rasheed Wallace’s equally outstanding man-to-man low-post defense.
Joel Przybilla doesn’t only provide 16 to 20 minutes of astounding one-on-one interior defense per game, for he’s also an exceptionally efficient scorer down on the low block — which is due to him understanding his own limitations on that end of the court — hence, he’s the optimum backup center for any team. Heck, pivotmen like him are coveted for a reason. All in all, it’d be short-sighted to let him depart for any reason.
Assuming you keep Przy around for the next 5 years...
Who is this magically talented backup PF we NEED to get, that only requires 12 minutes a game backing up LMA? I’m assuming you’re going back to the well with Jeff Foster?
If Chris Bosh isn't in the cards, then Joel Przybilla and Jeff Foster would be that duo.
Yet, that’d only be through the 2010-2011 season, for there’d then be a reassessment.
Of course, getting Bosh for LaMarcus Aldridge would make it monetarily impossible to obtain Foster on the cheap. I’d prefer to have Bosh and [Insert Random Backup Power Forward Here] than Aldridge and Foster, although that’s how much I appreciate Bosh’s game.
I'd prefer to keep Joel
and see more of the “twin towers” lineup when LMA needs a blow
but that depends on Greg’s ability to stay healthy and not pickup cheap fouls
Overstatement
All in all, it’d be short-sighted to let him depart for any reason.
If we put together the front line that Dave talked about, and let Joel go as part of a trade package for an elite PG, I don’t think that would be short-sighted.
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I agree
Przybilla has always been underrated in Blazerdom. Having a two-headed, defensive-minded center is a HUGE asset. It won a title for my childhood team (the Warriors with Ray & Johnson), and I think it could do the same here. Defense wins championships; the Blazers already have plenty of scoring with Roy, LMA, Rudy, Bayless, etc.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Where's Marty in this scenario?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 18, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
I’d have no problem with the Shaq trade if we got a 1st rounder back. His contract is bad and there is apparently no market for him, when you factor in that the Suns gave two first round picks to the Thunder for taking Kurt Thomas off their hands it’s probably not that unreasonable.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Phoenix hasn't valued their picks recently
On the other hand a new GM will want to keep and use them. But maybe we could get a future pick, which actually might be better for us.
—Dave
Having thought about it a little more
I’m still ok with it if we get a 1st round pick.
However in addition to that it might be better for us if we shift Diogu and Shavlik instead of Frye, as Frye has more utility in our offense than the above two combined.
Something like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c3butn
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
We'd have to wait a long time.
Their 2010 pick belongs to the Thunder, you can’t trade first round picks in consecutive years, so 2012 at the earliest. Not sure taking on Shaq’s contract is worth waiting three years for a first rounder. I’m positive RLEC is worth more than a pick delayed that long.
BTW, for the record, I’m astonished that anyone who has a negative word to say about theoretical Amare trades could possibly endorse a Shaq trade. That is worse on so many fronts, and for all Amare’s character flaws, being a bad teammate isn’t one of them. Just a disastrous idea in my view.
by howlingfantods on Feb 18, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Could be
My list of names for the Big Bricklayer over the years has been long and full of venom. For about six years straight I never even mentioned his name, just a disparaging nickname or twenty. But…well…there it is. I figure if Maverick could work with the Kilrathi in Wing Commander: Prophecy maybe we could do this.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
That’s a serious reference! I like it.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
+1 for the Wing Commander reference!
Now I want to play that game again.
I will miss Raef LaFrentz and (insert name[s] here).
I'm not even considering this in a historical enmity way.
Shaq’s an interesting case study in how you can be the most egotastic, lazy, self-centered star in the modern sports world, and get away with it because you play nice with the press.
He’s feuded with every prominent teammate (he’s starting to downgrade all the nice things he’s ever said about Dwyane Wade), demands the ball and complains even as he’s sitting out back to backs, never works in the offseason because of his reasoning that he’s not paid for the summertime, so he arrives to training camp more out of shape every year, and has never bothered putting in the marginal time it would take to fix his free throw stroke and truly make him one of the greatest ever.
Despite his “nice guy” reputation, he’s a terrible locker room presence, and his ego will never permit him to play any kind of mentoring role since he gets jealous of any attention paid to any of his teammates.
That’s what you want in our locker room?
by howlingfantods on Feb 18, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
K*be I didn't know you were a Blazer fan...j/k!
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
After his feuds with Kobe, Penny, and his
cutting down Dwyane lately, isn’t it time we considered the possibility that Shaq’s the problem, not all these other guys?
by howlingfantods on Feb 18, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
And let's put it this way:
He resented playing second banana to Kobe, Dwyane freakin Wade, and Amare. How likely is it that he’ll play second banana to a no-name guy like Brandon Roy?
by howlingfantods on Feb 18, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
If it meant sending Timmy’s Spurs and K*be’s L@kers home early I could deal with the Big Cancer. There are some traumas from my childhood that I’d like rectified even if my team has to use one of the weapons that slayed us.
For a shot at an upset of either of those teams at little risk, plus a medium to great long term outcome, I’d do the trade. I haven’t forgotten the Memorial Day Miracle nor the 2000 WCF meltdown and I’d like karmic playoff retribution before those stars retire/leave their teams.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
I agree
but then again I didn’t say it had to be a great shot. Just more of one than we have now. It saddens me that by the time this team is a contender all the old nemeses will have faded into rebuilding or lost their polarizing players. Thus why I’d like to see the Blazers frustrate their ambitions while those guys are still around. Even if it is a long shot.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Nah
We’re contenders in 2 years, maybe even next year depending on trades/development. We might not win it all, but we’ll be in the mix of things.
Utah/Denver will be good division rivals. Lakers still have another 5 years of juice in them. San Antonio should be winding down soon, but they are legitimate title contenders for the next 2-3 I’d imagine.
Hopefully in a couple of years we can ruin Kobe and Duncan’s chances of any more rings!
I just read about Shaq spotted eating a meal the other day
As I recall, the meal was ice cream, fried chicken, ribs, and chocolate cake—in that order. [sorry—I don’t recall where I read this] That Shaq could still be effective with this type of diet is testament to his incredible genetic gifts. That he could CONTINUE to be effective at his age with a diet like that is a pipe dream. I suspect we’ve seen the last gasp of the Shaq we remember.
To sign this guy now would indeed be Whitsett-esque: as in Whitsett’s bringing an over-the-hill Sean Kemp along with his bloated contract to the Blazers.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Gil Arenas said that
back in the days when he could actually play basketball, he would go home after a game, eat a gallon of ice cream, and go to bed. Maybe it’s okay to eat like that when you burn NBA-level calories.
You can get away with anything when you're young
Shaq ain’t young.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
2012 works for us
In 2012 we won’t be so young anymore and could likely use new blood. Phoenix’ll likely be horrible so it’s a pick anywhere from 1-teens which means a serious new talent infusion either by draft day trade or picking our guy off the draft board. I like the idea of acquiring Shaq in this kind of deal because the trade results in a pretty good short term upgrade, has potential for trading Shaq next year to a team looking for cap relief (or keeping him if he doesn’t regress) and has anywhere from mediocre to great long term upgrade in the form of a lottery pick.
In short I’ll never like Shaq. He destroyed us to often, but I can tolerate him to accelerate this team’s chances by trade, play, or draft.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Shaq would fit our system much better than Amare
Our Pace of play is a slow, methodical style. He would be perfect for the inside out players we have accumulated to put around Oden
I downright love the first trade proposal.
I hate the last three with a passion, though.
In fact, I’d rather do my four-team trade proposal that nets Kirk Hinrich, Mike Miller, and Jeff Foster way more than your latter three ideas.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5016643
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/2/16/761311/emergency-trade-discussion#12267789
Of course, I’m biased in that regard.
In all seriousness, though, I’d definitely rather acquire Vince Carter instead of the oft-injured, systematically unfit Gerald Wallace, Shane Battier at the expense of Ron Artest, or — and this one is still an absolute farce in my book — freaking Shaquille O’Neal.
Yet, no matter our disagreements, you get immense props for giving Chris Bosh some much-needed kudos.
If Bosh can be pried loose
I believe that has as decent of a chance as anything of doing it. I would think it would at least catch their ear. Everybody benefits.
—Dave
The acquisition of Chris Bosh and Will Solomon at the cost of LaMarcus Aldridge, Travis Outlaw ...
Raef LaFrentz’s heavily insured expiring contract, and Sergio Rodriguez — who’d benefit greatly from a change of scenery — is a no-brainer. That’s the best-case scenario in the next several hours, too.
Agreed.
There aren’t very many PF’s in the league that I would trade Aldridge for, considering the high potential LMA has. But Chris Bosh is one of the few I would go for. The canonization of KP will be complete if he can pull that deal off.
Yes! Yes! In the face!
Am I the only one around here who questions this?
Chris Bosh is a great player. But is he really that much better than LMA will become in a couple of seasons? I’m not convinced of that at all.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
i think so
He has shown than LMA in each equivalent.
Actually
one of the things I’d like to see is Shaq passing to some of the Blazer cutters. We’ve already seen Oden with the rudiments of the passing game. Shaq has had more practice. I think he’d eventually be a kid in a candy store.
—Dave
If that's what you want in a backup center, then go sway Chris Webber out of retirement.
Webber is just as poor at defending the pick-‘n’-roll, too, although he’s a less efficient scorer.
All kidding aside, though, Shaquille O’Neal isn’t the answer. Instead, a vast improvement with perimeter defense and, well, a potential upgrade at power forward — which is how Chris Bosh comes into play — is where the action is at right now.
He is reti
retiring in after next season when his contract runs out. We will have 6 or 7 years of core Blazers to win many more.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 18, 2009 3:24 AM PST up reply actions
i am never in my life gonna root for that fool to make a free throw
and i still hold him responsible for a bad ending to the career of sabonis.
anyone who wasnt around or doesnt rremember: shaq would SLAM into sabonis — a charge in basketball 101 — and it was sabonis who in every case would get the foul. it became such a joke that it seemed sabonis could not be on the court within 10 feet of shaq without drawing instant unjustified fouls.
shaq got away with a LOT as in the david stern nba the emphasis is always on stars rather than teams, to the point where yes, most certainly these stars sometimes get a little help from their friends (the refs).
o’neal was light enough on his feet that he didnt really need the help, he had quite an array of moves and shots, but since it was available and easier, as well as indefensible, he chose to over and over and over again commit offensive fouls.
tim donaghy, the crooked ref, made it clear that he and the other refs knew who “the nba” wished to win. stern was once asked who he would like to see in the finals and said “the l*kers vs the l*kers!”
both the blazers and sacramento got hosed vs the l*kers several times. why would i ever forgive or forget?
ignacio
by ignacio on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
PLUS 1OOOOOOOO BILLION!!!
I just posted this and it disappeared. What up wit dat?
by Blazersaurus on Feb 18, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Happened to two of my comments
in Ben’s Tyson Chandler thread. Now I know what it’s like to be PippenAintEasy.
One of mine
disappeared last night also. So either we’re having glitches or Ben is throwing darts at his screen and deleting whatever they hit.
—Dave
I think it was Ben.
I sacrificed a pair of young Florsheims to one of Ben’s kicks slideshows and my comments miraculously came back.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'm getting my revenge
because I haven’t been given admin powers yet.
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Ya but
that’s the same treatment that I’m hoping Oden gets in the future so hey, as long as the guy getting favored is ours, who cares?
Not quite
Oden will never be a “get on the ground NOW” type of player like Shaq was. His bumping and grinding inside is what most of the centers in the NBA do. Shaq’s was on a level unlike anything ever seen before, and hopefully unlike anything we will ever seen again.
I'm not interested in getting the fake calls even for my team(s)
I want strait up, honest, quality officiating period. Refs from high school to pro don’t seem to even know the rules and remain unaccountable for bad calls or for blatant cheating. I sometimes wonder how long I’ll keep watching.
by Blazersaurus on Feb 18, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+8
the officiating is often so blatantly awful that it can’t just be poor calling…I can hardly stand to watch sometimes…Portland does often seem to be on the short end of things
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tmundal 12/30/07
Well-said
What was so sad with Shaq/ Sabonis was knowing that Sabas—in his prime—would have made Shaq look foolish. Even with all the help Shaq got from the refs, Sabas would have badly outplayed him (as he did David Robinson in the Olympics).
So to see Shaq bully Sabas like that, with the refs piling on and Sabas reduced to tears—I just hated it. I always felt that the refs, in their ignorance, were biased against Sabas because of how his Soviet team had dismantled the Americans. Little did they know that Lithuanians like Sabas hated the Soviet Union even more than Americans did; they were forced to play on that team. (Or at least that’s been my understanding.)
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
History repeats itself
This is very similar to how the Judges/Announcers hated on Rudy for making the Redeem team look mortal.
Yeah, we won the game (thankfully), but we were supposed to go out and beat every team by 30. Worked well until the finals…
None realistically available right now
that I’d do a major trade for. As I said, I’d take Hinrich with Deng. I don’t see how that can be done though.
—Dave
Who'd be included in such a package, though?
A sign-and-trade of Raef LaFrentz is a possibility, although the Keith Van Horn fiasco irritated the heck out of David Stern.
They want to bundle him with Nocioni
Or straight up for a big man like Miller
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Very Provocative Post
re: 1. I would definitely do this trade if “Raptor Filler” = Calderon, but 1/3 of our rotation and RLEC for Bosh seems grossly unfair to us because I don’t see how Bosh >>>Aldridge. Dave, could you (and others) please explain what you see in Bosh’s game that compares so favorably to Aldridge in the long term? I have not seen him play much and don’t have a good idea what kind of game he has.
Also, I would also prefer a straight up Toronto/Portland trade to keep LaMarcus from beating up on us for the next fifteen years.
re: 2. Getting two coveted forwards for Travis and all our PF junk seems easily worth the cap grief, but I wonder how well they would fit together, especially since we would now have a glut of SFs and no playing time ever for Batum. That being said, I would love to see a better brand of Wallace in Blazer red and black.
re: 3. We were talking the same thing at work: why compete with Houston for Carter when it’s Battier we want? This is the trade I like the most. Since Artest is such a headcase, however, I would prefer the Rockets trade us a high character guy, such as Vernon Maxwell.
re: 4. This point and your prior post have persuaded me to your point of view, although I can’t see it happening without the universe exploding.
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Also note
If Toronto did my straight-up trade they would save over $3.5 million US (plus luxury tax) in the next few months alone, plus untold millions next year. They downgrade at PG and (apparently) PF, but get an offensive force at forward so they don’t need to scramble after Marion in 09-10.
How do you rank the major PFs in this deal, overall and in the long term? Because it sounds to me like you rank Bosh > Stoudamire > Aldridge. It also sounds like you are making an addition-by-subtraction argument that we get bench players more PT to develop.
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good point
I would like to know what is so special about Bosh that makes that your far and away best trade?
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
You're kidding right
Bosh is what we hope Aldridge may become. He’s still young. He’s posted better stats. and looked better defensively than Aldridge at each equivalent year in their careers. He’s a decent character guy and he’ll play well with the rest of the team.
Amare and Bosh are about equal in terms of production, but we don’t need another big man in the low post, and we aren’t playing a running offense so a lot of Amare’s talent would be wasted.
Amare > Bosh to teams without a strong low-post scoring threat and running teams.
Bosh > Amare to teams in the half-court offense with a low-post scoring threat.
Bosh & Amare > LaMarcus Both of these guys were All-stars in their third years. And they are better plays than LaMarcus is now.
Bosh>Amare
Bosh plays defense and Amare doesn’t. I don’t think there is any GM in the NBA that would rather have Amare than Bosh.
Ah: there IS someone around here who questions Bosh >>>>LMA (long-term)
When I watch the two matched up NOW, Bosh appears a bit stronger and thus better at taking it to the hoop. His superior strength also makes him a bit better interior defender and rebounder. But LMA is every bit as quick and graceful, shoots the ball at least as well from outside, and runs the floor a little better.
Within two years, I can easily envision LMA being the better player—especially in combination with a maturing Greg Oden. So why would you give up LMA plus other valuable assets to get Bosh? To increase the chances of reaching the second round this season? I don’t get it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
check Bosh's numbers from when he was at LMA's age
there is nothing, nada, zilch in LMA’s production that suggests he’ll even approach Bosh’s level.
Boomshakalaka
Bosh drives
He can catch the ball up top and end up with a dunk. If LA shows signs of that at all, then I will begin comparing the two.
Precisely
LMA could improve his defense, too, but the willingness/ability to take it to the hoop is what really makes the big difference between these two.
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I think his defense will keep improving
Everyone seems a little slow to be picking up on the whole “team defense” thing this year. Hopefully as the guys play together more and mature it will get better.
OK, I changed my mind
I think I want a trade now. I think it’s best for Sergio, the team, and me if Sergio is traded. That way the Bayless fans will stop hating on Sergio. My fear is that their wrath will just turn on Blake. I think it’s worth the risk though. They might not start hating Blake until mid-summer and by then I’ll be a Thunder fan.
Rec this comment for good luck.
Go Bayless!
too soon?
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
by pxilpooshr on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Go Thunder!
Newest member of the Oklahoma City Bandwagon.
by T Darkstar on Feb 18, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We need Artest.
BEdgers need one Blazer to hate, and Artest is a hate magnet. He will attract all the BEdger hate that would otherwise be directed at Blake, Travis, Sergio, Bayless, etc. Dave can even insist that all Artest posts go into an I Hate Ron-Ron Junk Drawer, to keep the rest of the site neat and tidy.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't that was Sergio is for?
Or Bayless for the pro Sergio crowd?
Can’t we just squish those two into one player so we get a guy that we can all hate and love at the same time, a guy that can score and pass, and a guy that still plays bad defense!
by Zaig on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's why..
WE NEED THE BIRDMAN.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade #1 totally rocks!
Bosh is Bosh!
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Why not Butler?
I like the idea of making any trade only if it involves a trade up to all-star caliber player. I agree with your idea of targeting Bosh. Top quality talent. Hurts to give up LMA but it s a talent upgrade.
Why can’t we dream and scheme about Caron? He fits. Seems like a bigger talent upgrade and better team move. Agreeing: keep Rex, RUDY! & Nic.
Hit DC with all four barrels:
RLEC
Both Outlaw and Webster.
Take on their garbage contracts in Etan Thomas and D. Stevenson.
First and Second Round draft picks.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbdvqg
Is Butler that good? What (who) else would this package be worth?
Can you stand to give up both Trout and Spiderman plus RLEC if you get all-star caliber small forward? Who’s got an all-star small forward that would want this package?
Talking some crazy talk
Maybe we’re looking at this all wrong. Maybe for Pritchard, this trade deadline is more about the future than the present. Let’s see what happens when we flip the script.
What do you all think of this?
It clears our log jam at point and thins out the one on the wing and gives the Blazers $30 million or so that comes off the books this summer, when our GM will be at his Pritch-slappin’-est.
For the rest of this season, I assume we go mostly to a three-man platoon in the post with Diogu picking up some minutes, and with Rudy picking up Travis’s scoring load for the rest of the season. I think Cleveland would do this because it gets them depth at power forward — where they really need it — and point, Blake would be an upgrade over Boobie, especially come the playoffs.
Ugh.
I don’t think a deal like that’ll work. Cleveland is looking to get significantly better for a championship run. Blake/Trout/Channing isn’t going to elevate them to the “we’re so good LeBron won’t ever find a team as good as this in free agency” level. Also they seem to be searching for a single PF or SF to push them over the top and finding minutes for 2-3 guys in a really good rotation in the middle of a playoff push isn’t very likely to happen. Another point against this deal is that both Portland and Cleveland are buyers in a sellers market, thus making a deal between the two unlikely.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
All of these trades will not happen
Although it would be funny if KP could solidify his Pritchslap status in getting us David Lee and Gerald Wallace for Trout+filler.
Not that this would happen. I mean, is it a fire sale out there???
Yes, reportedly
The word out there is that a BUNCH of NBA owners are in serious financial trouble. They’ve lost millions in the financial meltdown and are anticipating huge losses as fans and corporate sponsors abandon the NBA. Why do you think the Hornets just gave away Tyson Chandler?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
If the Suns aren’t moving Amare and still want to get under the cap BrightSideoftheSun is talking about dumping Barbosa to Memphis for a 2nd round pick:
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/2/17/762517/hey-obama-phoenix-suns-own
A deal of Sergio, Channing, Diogu + picks works in the Trade Machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bqtdzb
They’d get to dump 6 million in salary (if they renounce Channing and Ike at the end of the season) and get a cheap back up PG for the run and gun that they seem determined to go back to. Whatcha guys think?
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
I like the third trade so much because I've said we need Battier. That guy is so perfect for Portland.
We probably won’t get Bosh but Battier is that veteran who plays great defense and will get in our young players faces and teach them how to get the job done.
KP needs to be go after Richard Jefferson or Battier. Vince Carter is not a good fit at all.
If Bosh falls into Portland’s laps, that would be nice too. Hate to see LA go but that is the only guy I would take over him at that position.
Can we do it without Artest
Battier is a stud, even moreso after I read that article.
Artest is a piece of trash.
I also think Rockets would be crazy to give up Artest/Battier for Carter. Carter/T-Mac/Yao as a foundation for a title without any defense? Ehh.
Not Carter/T-Mac/Yao, just Carter/Yao
T-Mac won’t be playing again for at least a year due to his microfracture surgery. Sometimes players don’t completely recover from microfracture surgery, and even before the microfracture his production has been declining for years. If/when T-Mac is able to play again, I don’t think he will be an all-star level player like he was in the past.
Hey Dave
How is another trade thread a “bonus?” That’s like going to the doctor for a routine check up and he realizes you need a tetanus shot while you’re there. It’s not a bonus it actually caused me a serious disturbance.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
More like you go to the doctor and he ...
… not only tells you you need a tetanus shot, he accidnetly stabs you in the left testicle with the needle.
hakkaa päälle !
That's not a good image to have in my head
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
It did occur to me that this would find a sensitive spot with you.
Testicle wise that is.
hakkaa päälle !
Tell me about it
I’m starting to think I need a 3rd opinion.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
OK
I like #1 (it would hurt to lose those guys, but it makes us better — quantity for quality is almost always very expensive). If we can do #1, I could also go for this:
CFEC + IDEC + high second round pick to Sacramento for Salmons.
If we pull off #1 and that deal, I think we contend now.
PG — Blake, Bayless
SG — Roy, Rudy
SF — Salmons, Batum/Webster
PF — Bosh, Randolph
C — Oden, Joel
Leaves us thin at PF for this year, but Shav would probably be ok in that role, and that is a very strong lineup now and in the future. Very strong.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Perhaps with Batum's length we could sub him in at PF like we do with Trout.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 18, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe if he bulked up a bit
I think he’d get manhandled against the post up. I guess he could learn to play Maggette style, but… no.
Bulked up like Trout is bulked up?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 19, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Good for you dave....
(not your favorite) but you’re stickin to your gunzz….and that’s admrible….(sp?)
I could take a shaq under them conditions…
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
PS Dave
Is this today’s trade thread? I just read a bunch of stuff on the ESPN Basketball Rumors page one of them is about Portland. I’d share here, but I don’t want to go off topic.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
You can always post
links to media stuff. I only deleted some threads yesterday because they either were without such links (on a day when trades were covered on the main page) or had links that others had already talked about.
I won’t be so draconian today in any case.
—Dave
Draconian is cool
If you want to give me admin rights, I’ll take care of it for you. I’ll be in training until 2:00 PM Portland time, so a few might sneak by.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Oh, yeah?
Give me admin rights and I can out dracon you anytime I want, blindfolded and with my hands tied behind my back.
I could even zap a Mortimer post if I wanted to, something YOU would never have the nerve to do.
I might even edit profiles to give Dave a signature line. I’m sure I could think of a good one.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
One should never challenge Mortimer his wrath is swift and well pontificated.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Ack!
I meant articulated, but was short on time and went with what seemed a synonym. Alas the connotations were not the ones I intended.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
I think you got it right the first time
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
If we really want Stoudemire it would appear that we’re in the driver’s seat
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
But if we gave you admin rights
then you’d have a quota of two well-written main page articles per day.
I shudder to think…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think I can write more than a paragraph or two before I start making stuff up.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
If someone doesn't like Wallace due to potential injuries, here is a little tidbit: He is exactly two years older than Brandon to the day
Think about that for a while, and think about that we assume Roy gets through his career without his knees or heels causing him big trouble. Wallace has no structural problems, just had a couple of concussions. He likely won’t age gracefully in this league the way he plays, but right now it doesn’t get better in terms of experience coupled with youth. Every other player in the rumor mix is at least a few years older (Butler, Tayshaun, Jefferson, Battier, VC). Unless Indiana goes crazy and gives up Granger, but I don’t see that happening right now even if we would take on Tinsley to buy him out.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Wallace!
Other than Bosh (cuz I really think that is just a dream) Wallace would be my choice! I thik he would do great in portland! They guy is a Warrior! One worry i had about giving up travis was losing a guy would could play PF at times to help us get the best possible players on the court in certain situations. With Wallace Prob solved! He has even held down the C spot at times. There are a lot of people that seem to be down on him, but I would be willing to bet he would be a fan favorite in no time.
Rating the trades:
- You said it – Toronto is going to have to be convinced of parting with Bosh. Unless he tells them to forget about his resigning with them, they would be nuts to do this. And for Amare, who can opt out of his deal next year. The Raptors could easily find themselfs with Travis Outlaw for Chris Bosh.
- This sounds like a Trade Machine / RealGM junkie proposal (i.e. you cribbed from AK1984 for this one – only he did you one better with his 4 team deal). Not only does it seem rare that deals like this happen all the much, it almost appears to be change for changes sake. More than anything, I think it changes the chemistry and character of the team. Since the key guys remain, maybe that’s no big deal. But perhaps it could be. Finally, there is the matter of fit. Wallace could be a nice addition, but we’ve just made Webster and Batum ancillary players. And David Lee appears to have earned himself starters minutes and a starter’s paycheck with his play this season. Does he really want to settle for being a backup?
- This one I like – but only because of how much I was impressed by the Times article. After reading it, Battier sounds like the perfect fit for Portland, offering them immediate improvement in their weakest area this season and being around long enough to be a major part of their post season asperations for the next several years. Artest is almost a bonus. He brings toughness and attitude, but more importantly, he allows KP to maintain some roster flexibility when he comes off the books after next season. The biggest drawback to this proposal is that I have a hard time seeing Darryl Morely trading Battier. What does he gain for losing the one guy he believes is the glue that makes everyone else better? Carter’s scoring to replace McGrady? He’s then stuck with both guys next season. This sounds like a roll of the dice for a shot at this season’s title and then playing out the string next season, hoping that you can land one of the crown jewel FA’s with the cap space you get from Carter’s and McGrady’s deals expiring. (At least I think both are up in two years.) Unless Houston believes they can lure Bosh home to Texas, that is a huge gamble.
- I’m not excited about this one, but all of your points make sense.
hakkaa päälle !
What do you think about deal # 2???
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
by 92wastheyear on Feb 18, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry Dave, Raptors have no talks about trading Bosh
There have been consistent rumors that the Raptors have had talks with teams about trading Chris Bosh, but general manager Bryan Colangelo is vehemently denying such rumors.
“We have not had any discussions with regard to trading Chris Bosh,” Colangelo said.
The latest rumors had Bosh going to the Bulls in a three-way trade that would have sent Amare Stoudemire to the Raptors.
“If I can be very clear here, there is no truth to that,” Colangelo said.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
He'll deny it
right up until the time he pulls the trigger.
“Well, it was true, but the offer they made was one we just couldn’t refuse.”
I don’t expect them to move Bosh, but of course people have been calling them. He’s playing hard to get is all.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
That's how the game works...
When you say you want to trade a player, his value goes down.
If you go into a car dealership and say “I want a car” the dealer will have dollar signs in his eyes, knowing that you’re a sucker who is going to overpay.
If you go into a car dealership and say “I’m just looking for fun, I don’t really need one” the dealer will be pissed because clearly you want a car or you wouldn’t be looking, but you’re also not going to be a sucker who buys into whatever deal they give you.
NBA trading is the same way. You gotta act like you don’t care, even though everyone knows you do.
Bosh is the only PF
I would trade LMA to get instead.
These kind of tades just don’t happen.
Dave, this was a fun post to read.
The Oden Era, Day 606
Here's my deal
Step 1: trade Diogu, Blake, and Frye for Hinrich.
Step 2: trade Outlaw, Sergio, and RLEC for Gerald Wallace and Nazr Mohammed.
That is a defensive upgrade.
I don't really like only getting a Filler for Outlaw
What if you give a 1st round to Pheonix, Sergio to Toronto with maybe a 2nd round pick or two and that gives us Jose Calderon, so it looks like this:
Portland Sends: Raef LaFrentz, Lamarcus Aldridge, Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, 1st Round, 2nd Round Pick(s)
PickPortland Gets: Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon
Phoenix Sends: Amare Stoudemire
Phoenix Gets: Raef LaFrentz, Lamarcus Aldridge, 1st Round Pick
Toronto Sends: Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon
Toronto Gets: Amare Stoudemire, Sergio Rodriguez, Travis Outlaw, 2nd Round Pick(s)
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
Haha this rules.
Starters
Calderon: Spanish Olympian 2012
Roy: American Olympian 2012
Batum: French Olympian 2012
Bosh: American Olympian 2012
Oden: American Olympian 2012(?)
Five Olympians starting for us = win?
Phoenix likes it because they get back a mobile PF who can still run with Nash. A downgrade, but not a brutal one. They also get cash!
Toronto… hates losing Jose and Bosh obviously, but they get Amare/Marion back together. Sergio can be the second coming of Nash, and this can be the Eastern Conference version of the Phoenix Suns from 2 years ago!
Why do you and Dave think Colangelo or any GM
would actually want to reunite Amar’e and Marion? Each of them wants to be the Big Banana and have complained when they weren’t.
Ssshhh
Yeah… put your head down… that’s it… doesn’t your head feel good on the pillow… now go to sleep and in the morning it’ll all be better.
Seriously though, I think Marion realizes now that he isn’t the Big Banana. He wasn’t in Phoenix, he wasn’t in Miami, and he definitely won’t be ahead of Bosh.
The real question is why would a team want to be the second coming of a team that never made it to the finals? TICKET SALES! That’d be a fun team to watch and the Raptors need that. Who cares if they lose to the Cavs in the second round for the next 10 years!
Listen for the Thunder.
Been saying all along this is a good team, both currently and for their future picks. Presti=KP. They will be serious rivals for us. I like them, and I like that I can root for them a little bit since they’re no longer in Seattle.
This from NBA News: Pro Sports Daily:
"They’re starting to look like Portland looks," said Hornets forward David West of the Thunder’s stable of young and athletic talent. "It’s not going to be too many teams that can match up with them athletically."
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Presti < KP
Portland will always be > OKC
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Don't discount Sam Presti
Dude is one sharp cookie. He’s been at it less than than KP has, and his biggest personnel move so far (drafting Durant) was a no-brainer, but his nabbing Westbrook at #4 has paid off bigtime; the Ray Allen trade is probably good for both teams, and he’s done just as well as KP at fleecing the cheapskate owners of the league (first Robert $arver, then George $hinn).
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
to borrow a phrase from the NFL
“Popovich scouting tree”. San Antonio is where successful GMs are born.
Their starting lineup is not only athletic, but very long.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Perfect for the morning cup of coffie
trade talks and rumors.
The trade #3 scenario loads Portland up with 4 sf’s and virtually guarantees that Batum rides the pine. Thats not a totally bad thing considering we are officially in the playoff hunt and now working on positioning.
I like trade #4 Shaq tutors Oden, and gives Portland a serious post presance in the playoffs, we could virtually throw the ball into the paint every possesion and come away with points, or more importantly put the other teams post presance in foul trouble. Also the fact that 25 million comes off the books the summer of the Lebron sweepstakes,,, I know we have our own to take care of but to even think about taking a run at Lebron is pretty cool.
Get ready to get blind sided in the next 24 hours, survivor island style.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
I'm not sure
Shaq tutors Oden, but Shaq pushes Oden for his minutes, which may well be a good thing early on. The thing I don’t like is what it does to Joel, but I do like what it would make our playoff matchups look like. Everybody would think WAY more than twice about wanting to face us.
—Dave
Shaq gets the opposing center
in foul trouble, and then Greg comes in when they are already bloodied and bruised.
Do we trade Joel for a PG?
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
It isn't already?
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
I'd say it's sitting on the lid right now.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're hardcore
You didn’t even give the quote of the century a rec.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Yeah, talk is cheap.
Looks like someone rec’d me. Was that you?
Also, if Dave offers such high praise, shouldn’t it automatically go green?
Well, the Hornets can use an inexpensive center
and have a point guard who’s pretty good, and makes a lot of money…
That would be like robbing a bank, but make it so anyway.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Shaq hates Pryz
Pryzbilla is one of the few guys that stands up to Shaq. When Shaq throws a bow, one comes right back to him. Also Joel is one of the few guys big enough to be a physical threat to Shaq’s game.
If you bring Shaq in to Portland, then be prepared to ship Joel out.
Or have some nasty team chemistry
by drexlerdreamer on Feb 18, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, he loves Joel.
Driving his head into the floor was just an act he and Joel did for the media.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
What if we put Shaq at center, Joel at PF, and Oden at SF?
I’d like that in the fast break.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
No great deals for us without giving good players to our trade partner, IMO.
The clue is nobody in the NBA want the Blazers to be stronger than they´re now, and much more they promise to be in a near future, not even for a very tempting RLEC.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Have to disagree
In a normal economy most owners would be focusing on playing with their multi-million dollar toys. In this economy at least half the owners are focusing on making money from their teams and RLEC is a quick $5 million to the team this year.
Profitable Team > Winning Team for a lot of the owners.
Focusing on making money?
They are focusing on stopping the bleeding a little bit.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
History lesson
2005: Making tons of money > Making Money
2009: Losing small amounts of money > Losing tons of money.
How times change.
I'm with you
If Raef was so valuable, wouldn’t Marbury be pretty darn valuable too?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Raef is insurance paid.
Raef is 80% insurance paid and comes in at that sweet spot around 12 million where over-inflated contracts lie.
With a $20 million dollar contract you’re losing 1/4 – 1/3 of your salary on a player you aren’t going to use. That means you’re going to have to make your team significantly worse as opposed to slightly worse. Also New York is clearing cap space so they wouldn’t want to give up expiring contracts for bad contracts.
Raef’s value lies in that there are very few folks shopping expiring contracts, and several teams looking to get under the cap. It is the only insurance paid expiring contract on the market, and it’s in a price range that fits into a lot of trades.
Also Stephon's contract is almost TOO big
You do have to match salaries coming back. A moderately overpaid star plus a throw-in will reach Raef’s contract level. You have to throw in much more to get to Marbury’s. Most teams don’t have $20 million in disposable players sitting around waiting to be dumped. And even if they did, the Knicks are in cost-cutting mode, not talent-acquiring mode. I swear their owner and GM would stick their own daughters in the harem of anybody who would take Curry’s contract off of their hands.
—Dave
I think their GM is so old
that his daughter would probably not be an incentive.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
NOON PST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wooot woot
http://www.nba.com/mastercalendar/masterCalendar.html
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
I Bet We See
A deal go down but it wont be some big multi-team trade, i think we do something straight up with one of the Four teams, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Washington or Sacramento
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
The Thunder officially scare the daylights out of me
Durant/Green/Westbrook and now a 26 year old outstanding defensive center? Still under the cap for next year? Tons of draft picks?
This is going to be a very interesting rivalry, and I’m no longer all that confident we’ll be on top in 2-3 years.
Boomshakalaka
something about chandler really dosen't scare me
maybe without chris paul he’s just an average center, then again OKC is really good at throwing lobs, I guess the big ? is can the dbag flourish in an uptempo system?
maybe he dosen't need to
and his effect on the thunders halfcourt D with be enough to make them better? dang.
He doesn't really need to score.
With Green, Westbrook and Durant there are no shots left. Chandler just needs to play tough D and rebound – like what Portland asks from Joel. Chandler is also a good garbage man around the basket.
Chandler doesn't scare you
because we have The Przy. Joel is like a “Get Out of Chandler Free” card.
—Dave
this kicks the rivalry up to another notch
I doubt we sleep through the next game in OKC. Joel and Tyson will be fighting within the first five minutes.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
so true
joel’s toughness, rebounding and shot blocking pretty much cancels out chandler, and vice versa.
Apparently Joel has the trash-talking edge
Reportedly he set off Chandler by making comparing Chandler’s crying to the refs to Joel’s infant child.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Creative about it too
Too many guys fall back on swearing and mom insults. A true trash talker mixes it up.
Yeah--it's like how microscopic invaders outfox antibiotics by changing up the attack
Chandler has defenses trained for “your mama…” insults. But he was totally unprepared for being compared to someone’s bawling infant.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
We will meet them in a Western Conf Final or two in years to come
I am pretty sure of that
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
They should move to Las Vegas to attract more free agents and not lose Durant ;-)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
No Shaq under ANY conditions
The man is a toxic presence on every team he has been on. He has a front that is more phony than Afraud. I know they would not make this deal, but how about RLEC, Shavlik and Sergio for Lee, Chandler and Nate Rob. My favorite trade would be RLEC, Sergio and Travis for the two Andres, Miller and Iguodola.
Dave... How come no Richard Jefferson trade scenario?
He seems like he fits as a scoring small forward who plays very solid perimeter defense. Is he too old/expensive for your liking? It seems like we wouldn’t need to give up too much to get him. I think he gives us a better shot at a playoff run.
It doesn't matter who they vote for. As long as I get to pick who's running.
J.D. Rockefeller
I don't write checks, straight cash homey...
Randy Moss
I kind of don't want him.
Silly maybe…just a gut instinct. He seems like yesterday’s news. I’ll have to look closer at his contract situation to see if it makes any sense that way though.
—Dave
Ben, have the Blazers already invited you to their press conference today?
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Is there really a press conference scheduled for today?
by Flapbreaker on Feb 18, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
No nothing official, it was rather a joke to relieve some tension. I emailed Ben about something I heard. Sorry
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
How about getting Bosh and Hinrich both?!?!
This involves Chicago, Toronto and Portland, it worked on the Trade Machine…
Porland Gives: RLEC, Blake, Aldridge, Frye, some picks to Toronto
Portland Gets: Hinrich, Bosh
Toronto Gives: Bosh
Toronto Gets: Aldridge, Frye, Ben Gordon’s contract, some Portland picks
Chicago Gives: Hinrich, Ben Gordon’s comtract
Chicago Gets: Blakey, RLEC
We get two upgrades to positions that will help us NOW. ie. get rid of some build up and get back fewer higher quality players. I’d be willing to give our 1st rounder and an extra 2nd rounder for this.
Chicago and Toronto both dump some salary, while picking up some younger guys to build on the future.
I like it.
by drexlerdreamer on Feb 18, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions
If KP can work his magic
and get us Wallace and a PG upgrade, does everyone realize that we are the unstoppable force in the West? as long as we stay healthy.
Wallace gives LA all kinds of problems. Matching him with Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and a good PG will make the F@kers shake in their little sneakers.
As for OKC, they will be like Minnesota, invited to the dance then dumped before it is over.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions
Link?????
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:07 AM PST reply actions
Its a really vague RealGM rumor, but the guy seems connected
it could be crap, but I’ll take anything right now:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=882775
Interesting. That all but matches some rumors. Get it done KP
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
So its
Jefferson/Butler/Wallace/Deng/Vince?
I want Gerald. Please, KP. Please.
This all matches the Quick rumors from a few weeks ago…
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
The link
states it is a non playoff team. That leaves out Jefferson, the Bucks are in the Playoffs as of now. Please no Vinsanity for this team!!!!!
Wallace!
Wallace!
Wallace!
Wallace!
Wallace!
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Please no Nocioni for this team is my first priority among all “please no”.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
He is horrible
although, if we trade Sergio and Travis, we’re going to need a scapegoat. Who better than the Noc?
Even if he doesn’t play, we can still blame losses on him.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
In KP
I trust! NOW get Wallace in Black and Red!!!!! lol.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions
Here you go!
Be careful what you wish for…
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Or at least...
be more specific. :)
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
LMAO
Ok, Gerald Wallace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No we do not need Mr. Technical back here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Wait...
We’re getting this guy?
I hear he’s got game but I don’t trust his agent…
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tempted to re-post
this fanpost. (Some of the pictures seem to have vanished from the Internet…)
Sadly, Gerald is not among the choices.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
He looks like a Boling pin...
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Bol-pucky!
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Going BOLdly where no Sudanese has gone before.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks--I'd never seen that photo before
…and I LOVE IT!
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
This is really
just a bunch of Bol – ogna
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Like #1 / Bosh best - but will he re-sign?
Unless I missed it skimming through all the comments I didn’t see anyone concerned about re-signing Bosh after next year. To me that would be the critical part of that deal, otherwise I like it a lot.
Llike the Battier deal OK. Not so excited about the others, especially the Shaq deal. Just don’t think he would be happy living in Portland and I think it would throw off a lot of chemistry and opportunity for Oden to improve with the loss of minutes. Doesn’t fit into the “patient” timeline of championship runs starting two or three more years out.
Caron Butler if we can get him, or G. Wallace.
put a body on 'em
For those concerned about G. Wallace's injuries
Most of the deals would still have us holding Webster and Batum, so there capable replacements if he were to go down.
put a body on 'em
What's not to like?
Playing time, great teammates, rings, those hairy-legged Portland women…Bosh could have it all.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
REC
for those Hairy-legged Portland Women!!! rotflmao
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
still, you never know . . . maybe he likes sunshine, he's from Texas
Can teams/players negotiate extensions right now as part of these trade scenarios?
put a body on 'em
However
No word of a Press Conf. on 95.5. I think this is more smoke and mirrors by KP. Unless it happens tomorrow.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions
After the KryptoNate - Sergio trade rumor debacle, they are about the last guys I would call if I was KP
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Wait
you mean Chad Doing isn’t a reliable source?
Shocking.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I want Gerald Wallace and Kazaam
I would love, love, love, LOVE to see Shaq in a portland uniform. The Suns don’t need him, he doesn’t seem to like the team (giving just enough effort to show he’s a good trade option). He’d be a great mentor to Oden, bring a tremendous locker room presence and offer the veteran/championship leadership we need. I know it’s a long shot, sort of, but something tells me the old man would bring a lot to the table. If we could get him for two years while Oden develops this could fast-track a championship bid.
Pair him up with a team that isn’t opposed to actually giving him the ball on a pick and roll we could see a new era of Shaq Daddy come to fruition in Portland.
As far as Gerald Wallace goes I’ve thought he should be on the team for the past two years and I’m thinking more and more that it’s going to happen. We need a Jester (Shaq) and some muscle (Wallace) to bring the team chemistry together.
Life is hilarious.
Since I have no way of knowing what offers are out there...
… I’ll trust that KP is doing his due diligence. The only way I’ll be upset is if Bosh gets traded to another team for something less attractive than we could have offered.
Boomshakalaka
Yup
that would be hard to take. We can offer more than any team that isn’t Cleveland.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
How about
A half hour of Wheels trying to roll out of bed every morning? Or Mike Rice when he hasn’t taken his sedatives?
Life is hilarious.
Do we know
where our trade is??
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions
the guy confirmed it was 3 est
either way, i can wait 3 hours rather than not have a trade happen at all.
If you read farther
down on page 2 it is 3 eastern.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions
What's that hissing sound...?
Why, it’s the sound of this Fancy Trades thread deflating!
by MiledAnimal on Feb 18, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I know what those last three words mean
but I’ve never seen them in that order before. At least not on this blog.
Trade proposal or no trade proposal, I’m thinking about deleting that…
—Dave
Shaq I do not love.
Too many memories of WCF. Too slow. Too old. Too expensive for too little. But I trust Nate and KP.
Let me guess
He paid for the jersey but then the store told him they were refunding his money because nobody wanted those jersies anyway. But then when he went to pick up his cash they said the offer was rescinded because some yokel with a southern drawl just bought one. And sure enough there was a guy standing outside the store with one saying, “Hey, y’all! I can scrub my truck with this!”
—Dave
close
he first started watching Basketball right around the time of the Odom/Miles/Richardson/Miller Clippers and he loved their head-bump thing, I don’t blame him he was only 8 then. He is going to be less popular than Grizzly fans tonight. Also, his other favorite player is Larry Hughes. thats like saying your favorite characters in the Dark Knight were Rachel and that guy that got a pencil slammed into his head.
Who knew that Katie Holmes could act
Or maybe she can’t, but her level of fail is just not on the same level as Maggie.
Tom wants to go to his next game wearing his Shav jersey
I expect he gets a ton of dumb looks and “ha ha, we traded Zach” comments
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I sure hope he doesn't get traded
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Dave, let's gut the team and get 3 guys you want:
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
I think some of that is due to..
watching the Hornets firesale Chandler, more knowledge about RLEC, teams apparently shopping some great talent, and some good old fashioned great writing from trade rabid BE’s.
'Sides.
Talking about standing pat is boring.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Your trades are totally sensible.
As an aside do you know which poster on this site is KP? I think I know who Eric Marentette is.
The RealGM thread
updated suggests Rod Thorn put a wrench in the works, so teams are working on Plan B.
(page 5 halfway down)
Me thinks this is more smoke and mirrors as KP works his leverage with RLEC.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions
So the president overruled the GM? I hate organizational hierarchies
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Why the wait?
1: Do you think the Blazers are waiting till after tonights game to trade pieces that could other wise contribute to tonight? Or do you think that they are just waiting till the last minute so as to field all possible trades?
2: Odds of a 2 team vs 3 team deal vs KP’s normal way, dealing with multiple times with a bunch of teams.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=882845
references blog stating RJ and Luke are heading over here and that VC talks are done.
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/arc … the_f.html
I love that the Nets publicly don’t want to trade their 32 year old SG whose relied on athleticism for most of his career. They must have a lot of faith that he’s gonna still be explosive despite a large preponderance of evidence to the contrary. After all, if they’re wrong they’re gonna be paying VC 15+ million to shoot spot up jumpers.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Bad Link
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:44 PM PST reply actions
OT I love that statistcal system the Mavericks use that states that Jason Kidd is the 5th best player in the league
Is the stat called “Most Like Jason Kidd”? If so, that doesn’t bode well for Kidd.
This quote
from Brook Lopez is priceless
Brook Lopez on the trading deadline: “I have no idea what’s going on. I think I’m the last person they tell. I’m in the dark and that’s the safest place for me to be.”
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions
I am still wondering
how much of all this is smoke and mirrors.
KP knows what he wants, and is willing to play hardball to get it. I still think Wallace is the target, just a gut feeling.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions
Well, that one
was in the rumor mill since Monday, so who knows what will happen next.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions
ESPN
article about the Bulls/Kings trade also says Ruffin has been traded to Portland
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions
Why do we need
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions
OOPS
Why do we need another bit player for back up PF. We already have Ike, Shavlik, Frye….
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions
Setup
This is typical KP… this is not the end, trust me.
Why?
We just traded IKe for Ruffin? Why? I mean I get or at least hope its part of a bigger plan. does anyone know what this could mean? Is it a $$ thing or what because im sure it’s not talent.
Even though there was a trade, I still want to give a shout out to all of those who don't want a trade.
Stay strong my brothers and sisters. We are in the midst of a trade zombie apocalypse. Luckily the zombie virus will wear off tomorrow. I know there are others like me out there and I just wanted to tell you all that we will survive. Hold on for just a few more hours and we will persevere.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
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