Today's Poll - Tyson Chandler Edition
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 11:21 AM PST
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PrintMarc Stein breaks it: the Hornets have traded Tyson Chandler to the "Thunder" for Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith (both expiring deals). Here's your trade report.
Presti strikes again.
So normal expiring contracts net you an All-Star caliber center?
This is the clearest sign yet that KP will be dealing RLEC.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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im pretty sure we won’t need to do that. lol
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Now I need to vote no.
Hmm. Too bad I voted, then read the comments.
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by Storyteller on Feb 17, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
+1
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The Hornets are my second team
and they just sold their third best player for cap space. I hate this.
You know what I hate more? They gave Clay Bennett what he wanted and needed. OKC will be a force to be reckoned with now.
It's not too late
to jump on the OKC bandwagon. By my calculations I figure 40% of our fans should be thundering over to the OKC fan site. Wouldn’t that be a blessing?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Tyson Chandler without CP3 is no where near an all-star
He will give them great defense, but there is no distributor on the team to make him better. On another note, With Przybilla facing Chandler 3 more times this season, the team may double its total technical fouls. Always take the over on that prop bet (technical fouls) when Chandler and Przybilla meet. They genuinely hate each other.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
3 more times? we played them twice in a week already. did they change schedules on me?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
I disagree
he will be set up for success by both Westbrook and Durant. This is a very bad trade for Sonic fans. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Wow
The Carpetbaggers got another steal here. Great move for OKC, they get a big man to provide interior toughness, and he runs like a deer, so he can keep up with Westbrook/Green/Durant. Chandler isn’t much of a back to the basket threat, and not playing with CP3 will hurt his scoring/FG %, but he’ll still be a defensive force and the uptempo system fits his skills. OKC just became a legit threat for the bottom half of next year’s playoff race, imo (Phoenix is falling off, Dallas is getting old, and apparently everything must go in NO).
On a related note, I wonder what Chris Paul is thinking right now? Probably a combination of profanity and wondering when he can get to a real team with a real owner.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
The Chris Paul part caught my eye too
There is no way they would trade him to Portland. They would definetly send him to the other confrence.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
anyone tell me why they do that though? if a team is going to geniunely throw in the flag for the short term, why would they care if they trade him in conference?
I guess you dont want to see him 4 times in a season?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Yeah, it's a constant reminder
And, it looks bad to help your DIRECT competition (meaning, in conference or in division foes).
Z’Bo has murdered us the 3 or 4 times he’s played us over the last year and a half, imagine if we faced him 4 times a year. Similar to a player you wanna keep, but have to let go for various reasons.
It’s a constant reminder of your own failures. Kinda like my son and daughters.
Mortimer
but you only have to see your kids
on birthdays and holidays and that doesent change no matter what conference they are in.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
west isnt taking it well
At the Hornets’ Tuesday morning shootaround in Oklahoma City, West told the New Orleans Times Picayune that he was hoping his team would resist the trade interest in Chandler.
"I don’t know if that’s somebody we can afford to lose,‘’ West told the newspaper. "So I’m not sold on that idea. You just don’t find a 7-foot-1 athlete like that and he’s the only 7-footer we have. Especially if we’re planning on making a run into the playoffs, we’re going to need size to compete with Portland, San Antonio and the Lakers. I’m not sure that would help us.’’
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
The 2nd Coming (Oden) is about to happen. The most dominating force in modern sports will be unveiled in May.
We’re going to the 2nd round of the playoffs— baby!!!!!!
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Good point
We’ve all seen what GO can do when he avoids fouls, especially to teams without a defensive post presence. With the lack of centers as is around the league, this clears one more out of the way (although it’s more a shifting than clearing since Chandler is going to a conference/division rival).
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
No doubt. That would be like us giving away Joel Przybilla last year.
The whole city would have gone bananas if that had happened.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
There is no way they crack the top 4 this year.
It’s like one of our contenders for the next 4-5 years just stepped away from the table
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Presti is doing a great job there
regardless of what you think of their ownership
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I know it upsets me greatly
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely.
Kevin Pritchard is not the only smart young GM to have come out of the San Antonio system.
hakkaa päälle !
Agreed
they could indeed be some competition in the future now.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Presti's killing it.
Between his moves to get extra picks and what he’s done with the picks (KD was a no brainer but Jeff Green and Westbrook were far from obvious choices where he picked them), he’s definitely challenging Morey and KP as the best young gms around.
by howlingfantods on Feb 17, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Does Portland pass NO in the standings?
I think so, these guys are going to be pretty disappointed, and aside from the psychological impact, like West said, they don’t have another big who can even remotely fill Chandler’s role.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Just like Carmen Sandiego,
One step ahead of ya there.
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks
Been lurking a while, without a good idea for a name. Had to do it when I thought of it. I just had to.
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 17, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
+1
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
second what ben said....
I LOVE BAYLESS ARRRRR!
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I like how West lumps the Blazers with LA and SA
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
That caught my eye as well. It kinda made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
by blazerbeliever on Feb 17, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think he was talking about size of the big guys
Greg, Joel, LMA are all 6’ 11’’ and non stiffs
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
good point but it's hard to knock someone out of the playoffs
when PHX is the 9th seed.
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
This is way worse than memphis trading away Gasol
At least Memphis got some draft picks and the younger Gasol. On one hand I am glad NO is a worse team but I am really upset because I hate OKC. This is really bad
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:27 AM PST reply actions
Agreed
I still say, with a smart GM, that the Memphis trade wasn’t bad. Problem is I haven’t seen Memphis capitalize on the good it could have done them. There was still good possible though.
this… this was a “naw, we don’t need those play-offs” move.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
I'd say it was more of a ....
… “Hey, $10 million dollars is real money!” sort of move.
New Orleans is a very marginal NBA market. Most owners have made their money elsewhere and then bought a team as a hobby. Those with very deep pockets can probably afford it if their hobby costs them money. However for many, they still have to run their hobby like a business and that means breaking even at the minimum. If NO was looking to be $10 – $12 million over the luxury tax level next year, that’s a lot of extra dollars they have to make up, with no additional return. If you are the owner, losing Chandler might hurt, but losing the team due to bankrupcy will certainly hurt far more.
hakkaa päälle !
Hence the taking CP3 off his hands
i mean, they paid the dude a lot of money. We should help with that.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Also
It’s still a “naw, we don’t need the play-offs” move. Sure it saves them money, but pushing to get better and deeper costs money. (can also make you money if you win)
I’d be interested in taking a look at the -ROI I’m sure saving that 10 million will cost them.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
I will say
that Chandler has dropped off quite a bit this year. He hasn’t been the same player he’s been in previous years, most of it due to foul trouble. He’s been playing less minutes and has a lower TS% and RB rate.
Still a good center, though.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
hasn't he been battling injuries this season though?
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
Yes.
Team also looked to me to be having some serious chemistry issues. Always felt that way about that team (like they were always bickering whenever they were losing) but it seemed like it was getting worse this year.
by howlingfantods on Feb 17, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
This is good for us
CP3 is going to get angry, ditch those dweebs in NOLA, and come to Blazers for complete dominance for the next decade and a half! Yahhhhh!
[takes homer glasses off]
ok, in reality I’m not surprised. We essentially bought Nic Batum for cash from NO (we bought their pick and used it + a second rounder to get the Rockets’ pick)….so if we can buy Nic for cash, what makes anyone surprised that OKC got Tyson for expiring contracts?
This was bound to happen, and it shows that there is very little chance of the Hornets being title contenders. CP3 can’t do it by himself, and if the team won’t at least attempt to surround him with good players, eventually he’s going to ditch, whether by free agency or demanding a trade.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
CP3
even makes Hilton Armstrong look good, and that is no easy task. I think he will do all right with Smith and Wilcox who I think are both underrated players.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
He makes other players better, but come on
Even Jordan had Pippen. Even Kobe had Shaq. Even Duncan had TP.
You gotta’ have a sidekick. If they won’t keep Chandler around, what makes us think they’ll bring in a sidekick? I would argue that David West hardly qualifies as a Pippen or a Parker.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
wait
why is Chandler a better sidekick than West? I think they will be all right without Chandler. They have been doing pretty well this season despite his disappearing act.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Not really saying Chandler is a sidekick
He was more of a Horace Grant+
I’m just saying if you don’t keep Horace for financial reasons, what are the odds you’ll bring in a Pip?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
so you are saying giving up Cahndler is no great loss then?
Give Shinn a little credit for bringing in Stojackovic, Posey, and Peterson when I thought he would just stick with Rasual Butler. Granted those moves didnt work out, but he has at least not taken his team in a total Donald Sterling direction.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
I don't think Chandler is a HUGE loss.
I just think it’s a flashing warning sign of what this team’s central motif is: don’t lose money. Winning a championship would be an added bonus, but it’s not the primary objective.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
possibly
but as it has been pointed out his production has been declining, and we dont really have a good read on how his relationship with the team and Scott was going. Scott seems like they coach they are going to ride and he has shown that he will bench talent that he doesent like. JR Smith is a good example of that.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Yeh, I guess there could have been something going on
Generally I try to assume the best about people, so I wasn’t really suspecting anything other than the move being a salary dump. I guess Chandler could have been doing something to tick Scott off, I just don’t like assuming it.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
I know what you are saying
but there are these dynamics we are just not privy to as not all beat riders will sneak a peak behind the curtains to see what is going on.
Admittedly I do not follow the Hornets nearly as close as I do the blazers.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Oh, thank GOD Wilcox is gone to a team we're done playing this year.
That guy always gives us fits.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
He'd be an All Star if he played us every night.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Well Chandler is actually pretty marginal without Chris Paul throwing him perfect lobs
Very good defender, solid rebounder, but that’s about it. He’ll play hard, but his potential has been reached.
It’s a sad story for New Orleans, but given how much trouble the franchise has had filling seats (last year aside) and the current economic struggles, what choice did they have? A year of Chris Paul’s prime is being thrown down the drain with this trade, I hope they got a draft pick in return.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
oh criminy!
Now the Thunder are a legitimate contender. They just filled their main need, and all they gave up was Wilcox and Joe Smith.
There is a now good chance that we will lose to the Thunder at least one more time this year. Their team is looking kind of impressive now.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
lol, they're not a legit anything
But Chandler is exactly the kind of guy the Thunder need, hard working, strong defensively, some brash attitude. Presti is building for the future, and a frontcourt of Durant/Green/Chandler + Westbrook and a lottery pick this year? He definitely knows what he’s doing.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
who are the thunder?
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions
The team
half this board wished they had become fans of in 2007. You know who you are. You can jump on that bandwagon whenever you want!
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Invitation accepted.
Newest member of the Oklahoma City Bandwagon.
by T Darkstar on Feb 17, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Grock
the new sig!
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
Regardless of what you think about the "Thunder" they have a great lineup now
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
And I seem to remember them thumping us
pretty hard a few weeks ago. That’s why you won’t see me doing any scoffing.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Well
If KD is half as good as most people think OKC should be in the second round next year at the latest. Probably won’t be able to win enough this year to make it. I think they would have to not lose a game to break 40 wins but they should be a title contender next year. Why KD is going to be the scoring leader for the next decade i’ve seen written upon this hallowed blog.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Yes.
The Thunder are going to be crazy good. They have THREE defensive players in the starting lineup to go along with a scoring machine. If they get the first round pick in the draft this year they will be unstoppable.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
you're right
too bad you’re rooting for the wrong team!
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
How does NO make this trade without taking one of OKC's _FIVE_ 1st round picks in the next two years?
Apparently Presti>Bower just like Pritchard>McHale & Ainge
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
I think this shows that...
Caron Butler is an attainable goal. If teams are willing to fire sale like this. Are the Wizards in as bad of shape as the Hornets? I know their record is awful but I don’t know what they look like financially.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I don't understand why we didn't trade for Chandler
We totally don’t need him but seriously we better get something really nice for RLEC + draft picks if the Thunder can just be given Chandler
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
No, this CLEARLY shows that...
Lebron is an attainable goal!!!! RLEC and Ike for Bron Bron!!!!
No, seriously though, financially as long as the Wizards still have an injured Gilbert Arenas on their books, they’re handcuffed quite a bit financially. There’s no reason to believe that the Wizards wouldn’t seriously consider something along the lines of Butler and Etan Thomas for RLEC, Outlaw and Sergio. They would get a couple talented young kids and a ton of money off the cap, and the Blazers would get a perfect fit at the 3. Thomas makes way too much money, but his contract is up either this summer or next.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
The report said they won't play tuesday
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
So much for the "All-Star" (In his mind) Tyson.
He’s such a putz. I hope this helps put him in his place.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
That's a good point
he could poison the OKC locker room. I actually want him to blend well there so OKC can be good. I hate and loathe Clay and his carpetbagging scum. However, I want to see Durant put into a position to succeed so in a few years we can truly evaluate Oden vs. Durant. You know when that question can ACTUALLY be answered.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Yeah, I was on the "no trade needed" side of the fence
But if this is a sign of what can be accomplished, we might not see another opportunity like this for a decade.
by raoulduke on Feb 17, 2009 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
exactly
with this type of financial climate, a deal should be done. We will be able to get a border line All-Star. The RLEC is too valuable of a chip to let expire.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
This is 1 + 1 = 3 type of logic.
Just because NO traded a starter for two expiring contracts does not mean that Portland can do the same or better with Raef’s contract. There is a wee bit more to consumating a trade than that.
hakkaa päälle !
fifteen teams are filing for financing
over half the league views the RLEC as more valuable than Amare, per ESPN. I would be shocked if there isn’t another owner out there in the same position as Shinn, needing to sell a good player.
Everyone around the league is screaming that the economy is going to lower the salary cap. Do you think New Orleans is the only one looking to do a cash dump?
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I personally wouldn't put much stock in rumors that ...
more than half the league considers Raef’s contract more valuable than having Amare as a player. They are called rumors for a reason – they usually are not substantiable.
Besides, there are only two teams that matter in determining the worth of Raef verse Amare – Portland and Phoenix. It appears that neither is of that opinion.
As for everyone around the league screaming – are you sure of that. What I’ve seen are a few sports writers running with the story. Some teams might mention they are concerned about the economy. I have not seen where most have gone on record one way or the other. It is also possible that those who are mentioning it see it as nice cover. Blaming a deal that makes sense from a business standpoint but not from the perspective of the fans is easier if you can point to some exterior reason that everyone is likely to acknowledge. Perhaps it should be pointed out that overall, the league has not seen any negative impact from the economic downturn. The opposite is true. Revenues are up slightly from last season.
hakkaa päälle !
i agree that the raef stuff might be blown up. only KP knows that.
i don’t think there was a ton of interest in stoudemire though. if the best real offer they were getting was tyrus thomas, that’s terrible.
also the nba is projecting flat or down 1 or 2 percents as of a day or two ago
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the update.
The last info I had was late Dec, or early Jan what showed a 1 – 2 percent increase.
hakkaa päälle !
The NBA is dreaming
sorry to burst everyones bubble but I follow macro-economics and finance along with Geo-politics quite a bit. I honestly believe that the Blazers window is directly related to how bad things get economically. We are potentially (likely even) looking at a situation far, far worse then the 1930’s. Let us pray for everyone that things evolve in such a way to address the myriad problems of the environment, economics and human rights.
If those issues aren’t addressed we may never see a blazers dynasty and that of course would be the cruelest cut of all. Mass hysteria, starvation and a Mad Max like highway system is one thing but the Blazers not winning anymore rings during my lifetime? That’s just plain wrong and I won’t stand for it.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Precursors to the Great Depression
1- High demand for goods and services. (cars, appliances, etc)
2- Housing boom/increase in home ownership.
3- Stock Market boom.
4- Commercial banks heavily invested in risky assets.
That sounds very familiar.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
We got a ways to go
Our unemployment isn’t 1/3 of what is was back then. People call every recession we have “the next great depression” but in reality, not a single one has even gotten half as bad. Hopefully this one is no different.
That's where you are
wrong. They don’t keep Government stats even REMOTELY close to the same as they did in the 1930’s ever since Greenspan got into power with Reagan it’s been one change after another for statistics.
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
Yeah
We count people who aren’t working that don’t even want to work as unemployed! Those people should quit skewing our averages.
“Have you ever wondered why the CPI, GDP and employment numbers run counter to your personal and business experiences?”
They actually haven’t for me. Regardless, BE isn’t the place to be discussing economics. Basically, I’m not saying that a new depression can’t happen, but I am saying that we aren’t even remotely close to being in one yet. If you want to debate that elsewhere we can, but I’m hoping that even if you disagree with the exact numbers, you still agree with that statement.
Is that how we count unemployed?
I am nowhere near knowledgable about economics or anything related to real life responsibilities, but I thought they counted how many unemployed people we have through who files for unemployment.
I’d wager a bet that there are a ton of people who want to work, do not have a job, and are not filed for unemployment.
Am I wrong? I have no delusions of right-ness with this stuff so I won’t mind being wrong.
Mortimer
I don't want to join this conversation
But I heard once that if someone is unemployed and runs out of unemployment and does not get a job, that they don’t count against the numbers. In a way it almost makes sense unless there are no jobs.
Rec this comment for good luck.
If you're dying to know
Here’s the skinny. Basically, the Bureau of Labor Statistics polls households to keep track of who’s working or looking for work; it also keeps track of people who are too discouraged to look for work.
Never in a million years did I think a trade thread could be hijacked by an economics discussion. Karma.
Thank you!
I like learning new things, and now when someone asks how they determine the unemployment numbers I can roll my eyes and scoff.
Mo
Wouldn't it make more sense
to count everyone who has a job as employed and everyone who is not employed (including children, retirees, etc.) as unemployed? Then if more employed people lose their jobs, it would be easy to see what the true increase is. Makes you wonder why they complicate it.
Hopefully.
This graph is a little old. I believe the current recession is a little below the red July ’81 recession now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Welcome aboard
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
It appears that the Thunder
will be our main conference rival in the coming years. KP may have met his match in Presti.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Feb 17, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions
the Blazers still have many more assets than the Thunder.
And this takes away a lot of their cap flexibility.
Still sucks to see them get better, though.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
eh, I think its nice
we have alot of connections with OKC and it will be fun to have them as rivals.
Portland-Seattle
Oden-Durant
KP-Presti
Presti has had a pretty impressive draft outside of taking who we didn’t between Oden/Durant.
Regadless of the situation he is 3/3 on his 1st round picks……
Totally agreed
I don’t think I’ll enjoy much more than I enjoy kicking the crap out of the “always a bridesmaid” OKC Thunder over the next decade.
Blasphemy
Even Durant and Green in the same draft isn’t as amazing as Roy and Aldridge. Presti used the number two pick and Ray Allen. Prichard used the number 4 pick, garbage players, and cash.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Haha what about the 7th pick?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
We traded garbage players to Boston for that 7th pick
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
True true
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, wah?!
I am agreeing with you?! That’s ridiculous! How could either of us speak so negatively about Bassy like that?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Prez you did it again
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Naw
I am not worried about them at all. They have a SG as a PG. A SF as a PF. And no interior post presence. If they start to cash in their future assets, then I might be worried. As of right now, the team doesn’t scare me.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
agreed that Green is being shoved into a PF
role, but he seems stronger than his Georgetown days. Not that it is a good measure, but he was backing down Outlaw like it was nothing, so he might be able to hold his own against some PFs in the league.
Westbrook might be a viable option at pg as Durant can take over a lot of half court duties due to his offensive versatility. They would probably like to have a legit pg, but they might be able to have a workable situation with a bring up the ball hand off style pg.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
he isnt right now
but do you believe there is something that guy cant do on the offensive end?
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Yes...be a point forward
Not to take away from his talents. He isn’t a guy who is going to run an offense and get others involved. I don’t think Roy is a PG, but he shares the ball much more than Durant.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
by blzrfan on Feb 17, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Blzrfan
Durant is an absolute Wunderkind of scoring but even more then Bayless he needs to increase his awareness of his team mates and decision making. Most of the time Durant looks to score and lets face it as of late he scores.
I think Roy > Durant due to Roy’s vastly superior feel of the game and decision making. Scoring though I think Durant is better then Roy.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
all he has been asked to do so far
is to be a scorer. He has started to become one of the most efficient scorers in the league, which puts a lot of pressure to defend, and as he bends defenses I imagine he will start seeing the opportunities for the team to score more.
They have Chandler now, but I think they are going to need a coach to make all of this work.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
Yeah, I'm not high on Chandler either. Chandler = Biedrins
However, I can’t remember the last time the Sonics had a decent center. Jerome James, Robert Swift, Johan Petro, Ervin Johnson, Vitaly Potapenko, Calvin Booth, Jim McIlvaine, Patrick Ewing’s corpse…etc
The Big Smooth, Sam Perkins was the last decent center the Sonics had.
Help me out AK1984…
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
Ewing's knees were shot by the time he came to Seattle.
Some sportswriter noted that Ewing was so immobile, he made Sabonis look like Secretariat.
this game changes so fast...
last year, and most of this year, i would’ve said that about the Hornets. Now that looks doubtful. Who knows what OKC does at the trade deadline next year, or the year after? It’s not exactly the biggest, richest market.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 17, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Chandler w/out CP3 = Less rebounding Przybilla
OKC will be overpaying. He’s a decent center with a stat boost from CP3. I am surprised the Hornets couldn’t even get one 1st rounder out of the Thunder’s five available.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
We would have given them money
Just make it a three way trade we’ll give you some draft picks
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Hornets won't have to worry about OKC in the playoffs
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Well now the Hornets don't have to worry about making it out of the first round of the playoffs
At least get some draft picks
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I'd love..
the Birdman in a Blazers uniform.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
he'd be popular in Springfield
and Corbett and wherever they’re cookin’ up a batch. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
A 1,000 times
NO! Ugh Andersen has the worst vibe in the NBA. Scary, SCARY guy.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
very true
and Przy has been better than Chandler this year. Tyson has regressed.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Giving up Chris
means no season tickets. I doubt they do that deal, or even consider it… he might leave NO in three years, though.
so basically the Hornets
become the new Blazers minus Roy and Oden? Somehow I doubt that would fly in Hornet town.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
This was a joke
pipe dream, HOPE you name it. It weren’t serious ;)
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
This move improves our chances of getting home court 1st round
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I know it's almost heresy to say it...
…but we’ve been a lock to make the playoffs for quite a while now.
This move takes away one of the bona-fide threats to us getting the #4 seed. But Houston and Dallas are both still nipping at our heels there.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
That's about right
But they both have a tougher schedule. We’re in great shape.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Chandler is not an All-Star caliber center
He is good for 8 points and 8 to 9 rebounds every night. That’s not All-Star level Ben.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
yeah all star caliber is probably overstating it — definitely overstating this year’s production. but he is an impact player on the defensive end and was at 12 and 12 last year when healthy which put him near the top of the centers list in the western conference. if i am remember right he got some consideration last year.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
some of that consideration was “hometown” based because the game was in NO, but he’s been in the discussion.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say LMA is closer to all-star status than T-Chand
but that’s just me.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
hasnt chandler already been an AS
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
just looked at his bio
his stats remind me oden
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
3 things
1. Oden has a higher ceiling than Chandler did coming into the league…Oden has more potential for offensive skills to develop.
2. Welcome to Bedge…always cool to have a lurker jump into the fray.
3. I like your handle.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, if you read his progress report on DraftExpress, Oden will be a rebounding monster on both ends
When he grabs 3 to 5 offensive boards per game with increased mobility and dunks most of those, he can easily be a 15 – 10 guy as soon as next season. And that’s just brute force and the space he takes up under the hoop, without really taking into account that he could develop a go-to move and jump shot over the off-season.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
the rookie all-star game
if that counts haha
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
of course, they play different positions, so hard to directly compare
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'll reference BK and say fine--have it your way!
But in reality, neither are likely to be All-Stars. I just think LMA has a minute chance of sliding in as a reserve next year, whereas I don’t see Chandler even being in the discussion. If he can’t make it in his prime with Paul, he ain’t gonna’ do it in Thunderville.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
going forward lma has a better chance to be an all star no question.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
especially with West as an all-star... he's a lot like LMA
if the league used equipace to do their statistics, LMA would look better, of course.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention the blazers will win more games than most teams, which ends up as the tie breaker.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
bingo
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
If Kevin Durant can't make the All Star team in OKC
T Chand sure as heck ain’t makin’ it barring divine intervention.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
agreed… durant will be an all star next year… that will rule chandler out
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
and should have been one this year
No way David stinkin’ West deserves to be on the roster in my opinion.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
KD is all-star material and yes I’m being serious. My OKC bandwagon jokes aside.
KD is for real and good for him lord knows he’s earned it dude busts his tail all the time, you can’t help but respect that.
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
Chandler is not an offensive player
He won’t be an allstar. He’s had eight years to develop a low post game, and never has. He was good with CP3 giving him oops, but that was his main way of scoring. I doubt his average will increase with CP3 out of the equation.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
those stats are bit more impressive when pace adjusted too
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
He's a quality center
and he makes a difference for that team. He may degrade with another team, but so will the Hornets without him.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
Hollinger's trade machine doesn't like the deal for both parties :)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aew2wz
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 17, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We all know that OKC doesn't care about winning games this year
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 17, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Of course,
some of us thought that NO did. Apparently they don’t.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
I don't know how he'll be without Paul
And I imagine he’ll be rather limited… but he has been battling injuries all year this year, so his current play isn’t necessarily indicative of what he should still be capable of.
Since he is sub-Oden in offensive skill (no touch around the basket), he needs a PG setting him up, but he’ll obviously help the Thunder out and Chandler is still a very young piece of tail.
I am surprised NOLA did this, when I figured they still wanted to be good. They could/should still make it, but they got no chance in the playoffs now. I know Chandler was rumored to be dealt, but I didn’t expect them to NOT get comparative pieces in return. They’re gonna be playin’ small ball from now till they lose in the 1st round.
Maybe Wilcox has a new awakening with CP3, though. He’s a great finisher and we know Paul will get him the ball.
Mortimer
I gave 8 and 9 as his numbers since that is his career level, not just this season
He is 26, so there is room for improvement. But alongside a non-traditional point guard like Westbrook, likely not a huge leap in production just by his own development. He is a very solid addition to the Thunder, but he doesn’t make them an instant playoff team.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Don't the Thunder try to push the pace?
He should pick up a lot of garbage points in an offensive system like that. I don’t think he’s well-suited for the half-court game.
I agree
He’s a better garbage man and finisher than Joel is, so he could really help that team by improving their already good rebounding and giving them a bonafide big man who can finish.
While he has done well in NOLA, who (like us) plays slower than people expect and is a halfcourt team, he’d likely do better for a team that pushes the pace, gets up a lot of shots, meaning more chances for him to rebound and get putbacks and more blocked shots and stuff.
He might not ever truly play as well as he did with Paul, but his numbers could improve because of the pace difference.
Mortimer
if he learns a lowpost move or two
he should get a chance to score in OKC because he probly wont see too many double teams also they play at a higher pace and shoot a lot of threes so he hell have a chance to grab more boards. it may not be the best move in real life, but chandlers fantasy value could go up.
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Chandler never has learned a low post move
there’s not much reason to think he will now.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Chandler is what Chandler is
He’s a guy who needs a playmaking PG to give him more scoring chances than just putbacks, and he’s a good defensive center. He’ll never ever be double teamed no matter whom he play for.
HOWEVER I agree with ya, if someone has him on their fantasy team it’ll only get better since he’ll play in a much faster pace and he’ll get more rebounds, more putbacks from OKC bricks, and more blocked shots from the pace.
He’ll never be good offensively, just doesn’t have the touch or the hands, similar to Joel Przybilla.
Morty
He's not going to learn anything
He was drafted in 2001 and still can’t back anyone down, that will never change.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Is "Olympic caliber center" good enough though?
He’s on the Redeem team, except for his injuries sustained back then.
He’s a good center, albeit one who likely profited greatly from being CP3’s lil’ sidekick.
M—
and he's regressed a lot this year
from talking to the guys at AtTheHive, it’s because he’s fouling more, thus taking himself out of games. He suffers from Odenitis in that once he gets in foul trouble, he psyches himself out of the game.
I dunno. He won’t be as good with Westbrook as he was with Paul. A lesser Przybilla, possibly.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
He's basically Tyson Chandler: Chicago Bull edition
All of the fouls and injuries, complete with regression to the mean after breakout seasons!
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 17, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
You know who will hate that trade: All the championship contenders, most of all Boston
They had high hopes that the Thunder would buy out Joe Smith, so they could acquire a P.J. Brown-like veteran big man on the cheap for the playoffs.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
good point
eat my shorts, beantown. hope lebron wipes the floor with you now.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
So... CP3...
I’m sure the blazers would LOVE to take that contract off your hands New Orleans. obviously you’re entering rebuilding mode, so let us help you with that…
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 17, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I always say this
But once again, we are very lucky to be Blazer fans.
No chance in hell we make a move like this when we’re on the cusp of contending. Zero point zero zero zero to the power of zero.
These are worries for the 3rd world NBA teams to suffer. Excuse me while I retire with my fine brandies and monocles and top hats as I take my yacht over to Angelina Jolie’s vagina.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
0.000^0 =
1. :( You’ve doomed us to trading Travis, LaMarcus, Batum and Sergio for WallyWorld’s expiring contract. Damn you, Mortimer! DAMN YOU!
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
AAAARRRRRGGGHHH
WHY DIDN’T I PAY ATTENTION IN THE MATHETEERING CLASS, NOOOOOOOooooOOOoOOooooOOooooooo…!
This one is on me, guys. My bad.
My bad.
Mortimer
Oh, right
You think “my bad” makes up for it?
We’re going to petition Dave to get you kicked out of the Bedge Royals.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
I thought the Bedge Royals got 3 "My Bads" per season
This is my first, unless you somehow count my prediction at the beginning of the year that Adam Morrison would be an allstar this season and we would regret taking LMA and Roy over him.
HE HAD A MUSTACHE, WHAT ELSE WAS I SUPPOSED TO THINK?!
Morty Pie O’Connell
Yeah, well
you almost disagreed with me once. Of course, it was me that was wrong, but even so….
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
That was a strange time
I can’t believe you argued that Nazis were misunderstood.
I know you’re good at playing Devil’s Advocate, but you took the role to the extreme that day!!
I stand by my heartfelt belief that Nazis were mostly wrong about SEVERAL, if not DOZEN key points.
Mortimer
Well, I WAS right
that you misunderstood them.
That’s what happens when you feel hearts.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Move NO to Seattle please
The fans up there are actually real fans. Plus it’d give us an epic rivalry for the CP3/BR eras.
by Zaig on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
AMEN!
Make it happen, Seattle!!
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 17, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
NOLA has fans
Just a terribly small market. I wanna keep them there, and maybe move Charlotte or the Bobcats, or maybe that North Carolina team.
Or hell, move OKC to Seattle, I dunno how they got a team but Seattle is better-er.
M—
nola definitely has fans. they are making twitter explode right now.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
they make my head explode with that unbelievably stupid
WOOOO sound every time CP3 does ANYTHING..
its like Ric Flair stuck in repeat with the crowd chanting along.
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure
that it actually IS ric flair.
from wikipedia (so it must be true :):
“Whenever Chris scores during a Hornets home game the PA Announcer will simply say "CP3!” and then play a sound byte of legendary pro wrestler Ric Flair’s famous “Wooooo!” quote. Flair, who is an avid Hornets fan and whose loyalty stuck with the team even after they relocated from his hometown Charlotte to New Orleans, attended every Hornets home game in their 2008 Western Conference Semi-Final Series against the San Antonio Spurs & introduced the starting lineups at a home game against the Golden State Warriors.20"
Move Charlotte to New Orleans so they have two teams
That should help matters, right? Two is better than one
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
That could happen.
There are a couple of outs in the Hornets contract.
One is payment by the city of several million as part of the deal to relocate to NO in the first place.
Another is hitting attendence numbers.
I believe they were on track for the second, but if the team starts slipping, then attendence could drop off and the figures not met.
I’m only guessing here, but it would not be too surprising if Shinn wanted to be able to point to both conditions as his justification to move again.
hakkaa päälle !
You just added Strumpet and Perv to your BE community personality
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
We all knew that already
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
I was looking for the best from Mortimer
and hoping I could bring it out of him. Instead, he grows raunchier by the day. That’s what happens when Tom is your hero.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
QFT
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
You son of a jerk
I’ll make you eat those words, NO ONE is my hero except… you?
Did you ever knooow that you’re my heeeeee-rrrroooooooo…
You’re the best poster I could ever dream, to beeeee…
MiledAnimal, will you be my hero?
Love,
Mortimer
I'd be glad to
except Jscot is my hero, so you might as well go straight to the top.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
You'd do the same, man
You’d do the same.
I did the best I could with the information about vaginas I had at my disposal as of press time.
MOrtimer
Didn't you say you have a son and daughters?
I would think… hmm, well, you are a bit… different!
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well, not YET
But I’m sure they will disappoint me.
How could they not, I’ve set the bar impossibly high for achievements in one’s lifetime.
Baron Von Mortimer Wolfstang
Trade deadline have you loopy?
this whole thread is goofy even by your standards.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
As Mortimer's new hero, I must smash you for that comment.
Take that, and that!
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Having visited Scotland
one time, Jscot and I share a bond that, up till now, he didn’t even know existed.
But now that he knows, he’ll come running to my defense. So if you mess with me, you’re messing with the big Scot on campus. Muwahaha.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 1/8 Scot. That trumps your puny visit.
I’ll bet you didn’t even kiss the Blarney stone.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Pssch
kissing the Blarney stone is for n00bs. I ate haggis, threw one of those really big logs, and repelled a Norman invasion instead.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
HGGLHGHGH
I just nearly threw up after I wiki’d “haggis” to see what it was
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
:(
to quote the great man himself, “I have doth been p’wned.”
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Haggis is good.
I had it on numerous occasions when I visited Scotland. Of course, I had an iron stomach in college thanks to our meal plan provider. I think our food was voted the worst around the country.
Most of us have grown oblivious to Mort and his constant lusting
whether it be for Ms. Angelia or Miled Animal…
I guess there probably ain’t much difference between those two options anyway.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I KNOW Brad loves me better!
I mean Mortimer!
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
I have a son and daughters.
I keep waiting for them to impress me, but somehow they are turning out to be like me. Where did I go wrong…!
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
well now.....
chandler ain’t no dwight howard,….
and johnson,……makes this worth it no?
I’m so confused right now though….someone tell what’s right!!!! :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
ohhh...it's joe smith!!!....
lol..my bad…did I mention that I’m ….confused? :)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Wait, who do you think the deal is for?
You’re weirding me out, man! Like, FAR out!
WHERE IS MY PURSE?
Mortwhoami???!
Ironically
the Welcome to Loud City blog’s first post on the main page is entitled “A Special Thanks to the New Orleans Hornets.”
He’s thanking them for staying in OKC for the two years, and all. Now he’s even more thankful.
Chris Paul
Anyone else thinking he’s regretting signing that extension last summer? I mean seriously, you are the best PG on the planet, the best PG in the NBA in about 20 years, one of the top 3 players in the league, and just getting your career started, and now your owner basically tells you “Forget about winning a title, be happy to get your paychech, be all NBA, and get booted in the 1st or 2nd round each year”
Nice.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
to play devil's advocate
they’re setting themselves up to be free agent players in 2010, and I don’t think they were feasible contenders for a championship as currently constructed. They’re getting two rotation players — quality veteran big men, and Smith and Wilcox fit that bill, don’t grow on trees — for the price of one this season (and one who was underachieving to boot). I don’t hate this trade for New Orleans at all.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Then marry the trade already
Geez, I swear, every time Chandler gets traded you want to marry that transaction.
Aww who am I kidding I still love ya BoBby.
Mortime’r
I tried marrying it
but then I found out the trade had already been consummated. :( I’m not marrying any trampy trade that does its consummating without me.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You got it all wrong
The trade’s hymen was broken by riding a bike, you big silly, not by another man!
There might still be time, the trade is catching a trade to OKC right now but the train doesn’t leave for another 15 minutes! If you run you can make it, the trade still loves you..!!
Mortimer, helpful.
good point
but the Hornets owner has consistently shown he is not going to be a big spender. last year the team had to choose between signing a veteran at the MLE or keeping it’s own draft pick. Even if they are players in the 2010 FA market, they have shown no willingness to commit to that type of big salary.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
yup
I agree wholeheartedly with you that it’s a penny-pinching move. But if I were playing devil’s advocate, that’s how I’d pitch it to an angry fan base.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 17, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's Tyson Chandler
He’s not all that and a bag of chips.
He peaked last year, and still wasn’t that great. Hard hands, terrible free throw shooter, and he gets riled by any physical player.
I have to go,,,uhhh, start a rumor on another board.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
On the bright side of things
this means the great Chandler v Przybilla prizefight goes for two more rounds at least.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 17, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions
Hopefully Przybilla won't back off and let someone get in his way to "stop" him from retaliating
I don’t mind losing Joel if it means he pops Chandler in the chin! He shoulda punched him once Chandler smacked the broken wrist.
I punch people every day when they wrong me, so I know what I’m talking about.
Mortimer, Internet Tough Guy
You really think you can beat me up?
You have to train your mind, Neo, to bend to the irreality of this world. You can’t just think you’re an internet tough guy. You have to KNOW you are.
Come on Neortimer. Bring it.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
I said this a while back on this site (maybe in the original OKC post-mortem)
but I’ll say it again now:
The Thunder will be in the 2010 playoffs.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I tried to start a list of BEdger predictions a while back
and I had to abandon it when I realized it was like counting the grains of sand at Cannon Beach.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Could be worse.
Like having to count the grains of sand at Manzinita.
(Where I was at this weekend.)
hakkaa päälle !
shameless plug
go to the Manzinita massage place and get a nice back rubbing and tell them Thatcher sent you…..see if they give you a discount.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 17, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
My wife is a licensed massage therapist.
Go to her and tell her Tim sent you and she may give you a discount.
hakkaa päälle !
manzanita rules. thats my beach retreat as well.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I voted no.
The reason being that NO’s version of building for the future may just involve any and all means of trying to turn their economic picture around. Wilcox is a pretty good player, yeah he’s not a Tyson Chandler per se, but then I’ve always viewed Chandler as the kind of player that was made to look better than he really is by Paul.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
There are no 5s on the Hornets now.
Hilton Armstrong, Wilcox, Smith are all 4s. They are going to be eaten alive by any team that has a legitimate post player on offense. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
KP this ones for you
Denver fired the first shot (Billups) Presti and the thunder fired a second shot(Chandler)both teams just filled positions they needed to fill to get better. OKC may have just started a fire sale in NO.
Im not greedy we need to protect the big 3. So offer NO rlec, Rudi,Bayless,any sf on the team if they insist,fine, give’em 2. Throw in Frye, and whatever other pieces that need to be added. Cut a check for an additional whatever and get Paul, and Wallace from them .
Portland will not have to wait 2-3 more seasons we will have the team right there that contends year in and year out for the next 10 years.
ps. Feel free to throw in our 1st draft pick(we will just buy it back from them later)
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
95.5 reporting that the potential Gerald Wallace deal is dead
citing “several sources” during an update
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Well, it wasn't chad in portland
That at least lends some credence
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
I'm calling right now...
Wilcox and Smith have the best seasons of their career for the next few seasons. CP3 is THAT good! Just watch.
New Orleans shouldn't be a NBA town and George Shinn shouldn't own a professional sports franchise.
Kansas City, which houses a recently constructed multipurpose indoor sports arena in the Sprint Center, is probably next in line for a NBA franchise. Another option includes San Jose, which houses the HP Pavilion — with its primary tenant being the NHL’s San Jose Sharks — as the city has a rich, affluent potential owner in Oracle Corp. CEO Larry Ellison.
Of course, my personal favorite destination for relocating the Hornets elsewhere is none other than Seattle.
this turned into
a de facto junk drawer almost single-handedly through Mortimer’s efforts. impressive.
I hear that name is available.
He might as well take it, since his current name is Mortimer and he signs each of his comments Mortimer. I think he must love his name. Mortimer, this is for you:
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See isn't it nice?
‘Mortimer’.
If I don’t sign my name then any-one could take credit for what I wrote.
Signed in the blood of the righteous and pure,
Mortimer
I'm ashamed
I made so many fanposts as it is.
I can do better on my comments, but I find myself holding back quite a bit so I can let others catch up. These sort of threads (plus gameday threads) are like a fast paced team, like the Warriors or the old Suns… makes all the stats look better than they are.
We should have pace adjusted posting stats if we want to be taken seriously.
Mortimer
Mortimer is the A-Rod of Blazer's Edge
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
M-Rod speaks!
“Anyone can forget about talent, but if you’re a good person, your name will be remembered a long time.”
“Be respectful. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Respect the lowest rank and the highest rank and you’ll never get in trouble.”
“Enjoy your sweat because hard work doesn’t guarantee success, but without it, you don’t have a chance.”
“I love the challenge of the game. I love the work. My goal right now is to have a season next year that will make people forget about this one. I’ll use things like this for motivation. I’m pumped. I’m hungry.”
“I’m having a hard time finding a date. I don’t trust any women I meet. I’m very skeptical.”
“I’m not a real vocal guy, but sometimes you need to kick someone in the ass.”
“I’m not impulsive at all — except about buying clothes. That’s my biggest weakness.”
“I want to be known as a good major-leaguer, and good major-leaguers work to become good.”
“I want to step forward. I don’t want to step on anyone’s toes doing it. If I do, too bad.”
“Leadership is a role you have to earn in order to be effective.”
“Looks aren’t the number one thing. They have to have class, intelligence, then looks. If I was the ugliest SOB in the world it would be a lot easier.”
“Some things are meant to be and if it was, you will know it.”
“There is a difference between image and reputation. Image is nice, reputation is developed over an entire career. Reputation is what I’m searching for.”
“This whole year has been a learning experience. There are still a lot of areas in which I think I can improve.”
“We have a responsibility not just as atheletes, but as members of society to treat people well. To do things the right way.”
“Why do people sing Take Me Out to The Ballgame when they’re already there?”
Good and bad
This crushed the Hornets, but it gives the Thunder exactly what they are looking for.
Hilton Armstrong = Greg Oden’s lunch.
Karma
Dang. Henry Abbott posted this update to his early-morning thread.
I thought Abbott’s post that surmised we were getting better stuff than the Suns were getting for Amare was dubious. Henry claims differently.
Anonymous NBA Executive to Chad Ford
February 17, 2009 10:55 AM
“I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for [Amare] Stoudemire.”
Amazing, huh?
I guess, ordinarily, here’s where you’d do some kind of statistical comparision of the two players, or talk about how if his jumper is falling, LaFrentz can really help a team.
But LaFrentz is out for the season, and won’t play before his deal expires. Stoudemire is a young, healthy, starting All-Star big man.
Assuming this is really the case — could there be a clearer sign that in today’s NBA economy, cost-cutting is king?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
Whoops, never mind
haha that’s just Henry quoting Chad, which Ben already linked to this morning.
Feel free to ignore. Or point and laugh. Your choice.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
Tyson Chandler's game moved up a notch
when he got to play with Chris Paul. Will his game take a step back now with rookie pg Westbrook and Earl Watson?
I have to wonder...
I know everyone is predicting this makes OKC godly for a decade of something. But isn’t there a chance it just puts both teams firmly mired in mediocrity?
NO is still a good team with CP3.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilcox finally shows something when paired with a pg as great as Paul. I like Tyson Chandler, but I wonder if he will be as effective without CP3?
We should offer them Shav and Ike (expiring) for young prospects Armstrong and Wright to "help" them some more
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ab5xqo
Now Tom and LetsBlaze will hate me…
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
How is that my fault? You could make it your ritual to wear it while watching Blazer games, or while commenting here. And I have already bought Armstrong gear hoping we would ever have a player of that name. I even stole his time trial race machine.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I tried wearing a BE t-shirt for Blazers games and they always lost
After that I stopped doing things different on game days. I’ll probably wear it to the Blazers game.
Rec this comment for good luck.
You might get a lot of dumb looks
And comments like “hey, we traded Zach” or “that was not Z-Bo’s number”.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I got a nice Blazer shirt for X-Mas
And when I wear it, we have not won. I count the Thunder game as the most obvious “we shoulda’ won and we lost because I wore the shirt” game.
It’s a nice shirt, but it has scientifically been proven to be unlucky.
Mortimer
Long sleve shirt
It’s cold as Portland in my office.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Not until Ben asks
I heard he was going back home to Indiana after the All-Star rookies game, but was scheduled to receive a second MRI today. Don’t know where and at what time that would be. I would expect him to miss one or two more weeks depending on what they find (need to flush out loose chips or not).
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
practice tonight at 5 pm. should have an update around 8.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
yeah i was thinking that too. headed over there now. check the twitter feed for the latest.
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
I hate OKC and all their ugly players, coaches, owners, and fans.
I hope they get Tayshaun Prince too. Then the roster would look like a team of land striders. A bunch of ugly lame land striders.
Rec this comment for good luck.
haha, land striders, like in that movie The Dark Crystal
Clyde the Glide >>> Jordan
Cliff the Stiff got mad at my brother who was trying to sell him a cellphone when my brother called him Uncle Cliffy. Apparently, he doesn't like that name very much.
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Feb 17, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Enourmous
At first glance, this knocks New Orleans out of our way for years to come. Basically, this says to the hardcore hornets fan: “Enjoy the stadium, CP3, the game, and the opposing team, but don’t dream about winning anything.” Ouch!
I’m happy for Durant on this one. He deserves to have a chance at the playoffs. Not good for a guy’s mojo to lose 70% of your games during your formative years.
I’ve always thought of Chandler as pretty good. He rebounds the crap out of the ball and the guy is a legit defensive presence in the paint.
Very sad day for hornets fans…
by Engineering Problem on Feb 17, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions
Avery Johnson interview this morning on KNBR.
They asked him about the Chandler trade. He said, in effect, that he can’t understand why NO did that deal, unless they know there is something wrong with Chandler.
OKC
Will they slide everyone down then?
C – Chandler
PF – Collison
SF – Green
SG – Durant
PG – Westbrook
Maybe
Although Durant is much better playing at forward and Collison could easily come off the bench once Chandler is healthy. But what if they really draft Griffin next year as everyone expects them to do if they have the chance? Is Green the odd man out then?
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Hmmm
Collison off the bench would be good because he can play either PF or C. However, Durant would be able to post up every SG in the league if he could put a little muscle on.
If they get Griffin next season, I think they’ll try to move either Green or Durant to SG to get their five best players on the court.
Did New Orleans improve their chances of winning the game tonight by doing this trade now?
OKC will have to hold out Smith and Wilcox, while Chandler was hurt anyway.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I think it's so
the players traded could switch teams without having to take a separate flight. Gotta save money.
ouch for the fans of the great state of Louisanna .....
This hurts to imagine happening to our franchise….did ANYONE see or think…or even know things were that bad for the franchise of the hornets?….were there any inklings?
are we going to see an exodus of talent due to shanty price tags here in the the states vs. the un capped leagues of europa?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
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