Everyone's Talking 3s
by Ben Golliver on Feb 17, 2009 10:09 AM PST
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A couple of interesting pieces are out there today about potential small forward acquisitions for Kevin Pritchard. No new names, really, but it is some new analysis to sink your teeth into as you count down the deadline.
Chad Ford with the latest.
Meanwhile, sources confirm that the Blazers have been getting a steady flow of offers for LaFrentz, including two significant new ones Monday.
The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller, is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.
Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard.
Butler might be the best player of the group when he's healthy. He was an All-Star last year and is excellent in the mid-range game. He too has a reasonable contract, with just two years and $21 million left on his deal. But it's unclear what the Wizards would want in return and whether they'll ultimately opt to keep Butler and reevaluate the team whenGilbert Arenas returns. If the Wizards are to make such a deal, certainly they'll want the Blazers to take back Etan Thomas' contract, and they'll likely also demand one or two young players from the Blazers. That price might be too high for Portland.
Jefferson is the most available. The Bucks need to clear his salary from their cap if they're going to re-sign their two restricted free agents this summer: Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions. Sources say there have been conversations that have included both Jefferson and Milwaukee point guard Luke Ridnour, though the talk has quieted down. As a proven scorer and defender who's played in the NBA Finals, Jefferson has some appeal for the Blazers.
One wild card for the Blazers is Vince Carter. His contract is the most expensive of the group, but Carter has been fantastic this season and would give the Blazers the biggest bang of anyone out there. It appears unlikely the Blazers will go that direction, but New Jersey would certainly listen if Portland wanted to do a deal.
RealGM's Christopher Reina with a must-read analysis.
The Attainable Dream
Luol Deng signed a six-year, $71M contract during the offseason, which is already appearing inflated. Chicago has always been cost-conscious despite being a big market team and while they have heretofore loved Deng, no longer appear married to him. While not currently at the level of Iguodala, Portland would be buying at an extremely low price considering many felt that Deng would be the better player. Deng's regression has been largely mysterious and I think a lot of it is as result of Chicago's lack of any real interior scoring presence. He would fit perfectly as Portland's small forward and is younger than Brandon Roy, as he won't turn 24 until April.
The price to acquire Deng would be very steep and since Jerryd Bayless wouldn't be included because of Derrick Rose, it would likely take some sort of combination of Travis Outlaw, Nicolas Batum or even Rudy Fernandez.
If Kirk Hinrich were to be involved, Portland would be setup with luxury tax hell until the summer of 2012. But he is an upgrade over Steve Blake and would allow Bayless to develop at a slower rate.
The RealityRichard Jefferson is the player at small forward that is simultaneously in play and is a true upgrade. He will turn 29 just before the draft and so he will be in age-related decline, if not gone, during Portland's expected peak. But he should bridge the gap between the present and Batum/Martell Webster's prime and won't cost the Blazers any key elements of their core since the Bucks would like to shed Jefferson's salary in order to have greater financial flexibility in re-signing Charlie Villanueva and Ramon Sessions; this makes his value addition as a possible greater net gain than the Deng scenario.
Portland eventually needs to consolidate some of their depth to strengthen a solid eight-man rotation, but delaying that consolidation will allow Pritchard to make a more informed decision on who to shed and who to keep.
His overall field goal percentage is down this year, but his 3-point shooting is up to over 41.0%, which fits into Portland's system. He can also slash, plays a solid wing defense and fits in with the club on a character level.
Bradford Doolittle from Basketball Prospectus
Is this the Blazers' next championship roster?
The Blazers have been linked to Sacramento's John Salmons, who could provide a scoring bump off the bench along with decent defense. Portland is also due to get a boost from the return of Steve Blake. However, as good as Portland has been this season, this is still a very young team in development mode. That said, there aren't any rules against a developing team making a playoff run. The Blazers would need to get better on defense to make such a run and they do have the expiring contracts of Channing Frye and Raef Lafrentz with which to work. Salmons may not be the answer, but if Blake can come back and play as well as he was playing before his shoulder injury, an upgrade at the three-spot could make Portland a serious contender--this year. Kevin Pritchard has proven to be an aggressive deal maker so it would be surprising if Portland didn't do something this week.
If there is a consensus from the gallery, it's that Pritchard will weigh offers until the last possible moment (Thursday) before pulling the trigger. Most everyone I've talked with expects a trade to be made, although Ian Thomsen disagrees.
FYI: The Blazers practice tonight so there will be a practice report up around 8PM or so.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Come on Gerald Wallace!!!!
Roy, Bayless, Wallace, LMA, Oden…wow.
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oh, so he is injury prone?
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by lanepete on Feb 17, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace has never finished a full NBA season, that is my real only concern with him
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Very interesting.
His stats on ESPN demonstrate this point. I was high on Wallace until you said this… now I’m shifting more to Jefferson.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
From Hollinger...
2007-08 season: One of the league’s most spectacular athletes, Wallace is becoming among it’s most fragile as well. A serious concussion — his fourth as a pro — knocked him out of action for 20 games, and he hasn’t played more than 72 games in any of his four seasons in Charlotte. Still doesn’t mean we need Jefferson though.
It could be the team to
He is the best player on CHA so maybe being on a team where he doesn’t have to take on the scoring for the team he will hold up better, it is a risk still
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I like Wallace b/c he's a slasher...
Is Jefferson much of a slasher???
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
he can but no, more of a jump shooter
its ok, we dont have ANY of those
/S
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
He is a smoker?? Does the NBA allow players to smoke?
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
accoding to josh howard
a lot of em dont care anyway
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
Lust for Gerald
If the Blazers do indeed acquire Gerald you can count me in as a Blazers fan. Unless my Kings make a deal to out of the basement I could really see myself rooting for the Blaze. Gerald is my favorite player in the NBA and Rudy and Roy are close behind. KP should really be pursuing his instead of a del for the older and alos injury prone Jefferson.
Crash is legit even if he’s out for 15-20 games a year. That’s what a deep bench is for. Get Wallace and then I’ll be shouting Go Blazers from Nor Cal.
I'm sold.
I liked Wallace when he played for Sacto. Too bad he had to play behind Peja.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 17, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
My list...
Don’t really believe he is availible, but Butler, then Wallace, then Jefferson a distant third. Jefferson has had injuries in the past, but Wallace is definitely the most injury prone.
beat me by seconds.. good call
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Butler or Wallace would be a phenomenal pick up. Those guys are legit, all around studs. Jefferson is older, overpriced, a much worse rebounder, more reliant on jump shots, less intense, and generally worse than either of them. BY FAR.
Just say no to Jefferson, just say yes yes yes to Butler or, if that doesn’t work out, Wallace.
If you have to include Bayless or Rudy in a deal for Butler, pick up Wallace instead. He’s been injury prone, but that’s because he’s intense as hell and has had to carry his team. He’ll be going from the first option on Charlotte to the third or fourth option on Portland.
Portland is about to become a legit contender THIS year, I’m feeling…
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 17, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Butler has actually missed more games in the past five seasons
Yet, Wallace gets the injury prone tag … probably because he plays basketball like he’s Ray Lewis.
by nikolokolus on Feb 17, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Butler, Wallace, Jefferson
In that order.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions
disagree
Wallace, Butler, not Jefferson ;-)
by nikolokolus on Feb 17, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
hehe...
butler is the best player, wallace might be the best fit, and i dont want jefferson. I am a UA alum, knew him when i went to school and STILL dont want him or his seal ears.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
wow.
Well I would want him if I thought he was the same player now as he was when he was in college. But I think he is fading at this point. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
or even the same player who played with jason kid circa 2005
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
So is Sessions for sure not going to happen?
I have heard conflicting accounts of whether Milwaukee wants to keep him or not. If he could come how replace Ridnour without adding the big three, Joel, Bayless, Rudy or Batum I would be ALL for it!
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
i think sessions is out of it
we would likely get
Ridnour (wah wah waaaaah) fail
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
ya thats too bad
Dude had 17 assists the other night
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
and ridnour makes sergio look like a good defender
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
i'd keep sergio over ridnour...
it appears both teams (MIL and CHA) want to throw in trash players in these deals (Ridnour and Nazr)… I’m glad KP is waiting till the last minute.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Rid isn't a trash player
He starts over Sessions
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
not anymore.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I also think that if we can pry salmons from Sac for Frye
and a 2nd rounder or something, we need to do that immediately. Especially if outlaw gets traded. Having Salmons as a scorer off the bench is imminently important
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions
that would be a STEAL
but then we would have another log jam when Webster returns……. and Ike is our back up PF, but I’m not convinced that’s a bad thing
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
If we keep outlaw somehow
we get to play him at 4, salmons at 3 and rudy at 2
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed, BUT
Salmons lack of effectiveness off the bench has been legendary. He has the most dramatic splits (starting vs. not) of any player in the league. Ask the Sac-town fans about it.
That being said, if Channing will fetch him, gotta give it a shot.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
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by KP Corleone on Feb 17, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Gerald Wallace is perfect for the team
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If we trade for Wallace, the Blazers should have a "Zero" promo day
Everyone that brings in their Rasheed Wallace #30 jersey with the zero torn off to make it a Gerald Wallace #3 jersey gets a free ticket.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
this must happen
there is at least one (maybe two) jersey in my house that could get fixed
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
The guy is a true warrior who crashes the boards and lanes with no respect for human life - others or his own :)
Unfortunately that means he won’t age well in the NBA, but while he lasts he would be an awesome addition bringing defense next to Roy and aggressive play around the hoop which is sorely needed.
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Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 17, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Me too...
Though I wasn’t aware Blazersedge was down. Too much info? Maybe.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I am thinking now.....
Salmon or Jefferson over Wallace or Butler
Butler would be awsome, but I think he is just too expensive
Wallace would be great to but hes just too injury prone
Jefferson is still a reliable scorer, and has great experience for our young team
salmons is good and cheap plain and simple
It will be an interesting two days
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by too expensive for Butler I mean WA will ask for too much
(Bayless, Batum, or Rudy)
"Sometimes I catch myself watching him and he's shooting floaters all-net. And just to watch how he's talking trash. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. Rudy's a competitor." - Brandon Roy
by Trail Ducker on Feb 17, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Actually
Jefferson has had his injury woes too, Caron has missed more games in the past five years than Wallace and Salmons just feels like too much of a lateral move (though he could be good).
I’m all about Wallace who would instantly inject a heavy dose of toughness into this team.
another great quote from ESPN
Sergio Rodriguez, forward Channing Frye, and Raef LaFrentz’s contract for the like of Gerald Wallace or the Bullet’s Caron Butler.
Quoting my thoughts.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Wallace
even with injuries.. I think he would be worth if we don’t have to do anything more than take on Nazr and give up Ike or Channing..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Interesting consensus
The “experts” are good to hear from and obviously hear a lot more than us common rabble, from most of the right types of folks. But none of those names aren’t anyone we haven’t hashed over several times here, are they? And they kind of line up the same way that I’ve seen them discussed:
Carter—too old, too expensive, too short-term fix for KP
Butler—the dream pick, but would cost a lot and force some tough decisions on KP
Wallace—almost as good as Butler, if his lungs stay inflated, somewhat lower price
Jefferson—an upgrade, the Ford Escort of the group, but comes almost free of return-trade pain…this choice would say a lot about the team’s view of the top 8, IMO
Salmons—serviceable enough, but sights are set too low w/ the value of RLEC
What do you think the Jefferson pick would say about the top 8 torridjoe?
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
I believe
he was saying that if KP chooses to go after Jefferson, it means that he thinks very highly of the top eight we already have.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
correct
It’s the least disruptive trade, in terms of the players KP has to give away—at worst, either Sergio or Bayless goes, leaning strongly to Serg I’d say. Otherwise it’s RLEC and one of the end-of-benchers Nate has demoted these days. What it specifically would say to me is—we’re sticking with Travis and Nic, in some fashion.
I’m OK with Sergio and Travis going; I think we have a decent handle on what they bring. Bayless and Batum and Fernandez, I think require more time to fully evaluate, and it would be a shame to send any of them on without finding out. At least two of the three could turn out to be really, really special players. You’d hate to see them doing it for someone else.
Bayless wouldn't go
unless it is a killer trade (for Bosh or something).
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Who takes us further in the playoffs this year?
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
An extra 10 pts without losing any defense would go quite aways.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
Butler
he’s almost at Roy-level impact.
However, I tend to think he’d cost too much. The Blazers biggest issue right now is that we get dominated by bigger wing players (e.g. Maggette). Wallace would shut that weakness down, as well as give us intensity and fire.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ford said in his chat it's either Jefferson or Wallace.
I vote Wallace.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace
every day of the week. He fixes our perimeter defense, and gives us intensity.
Do you have a link to the chat?
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
He would be great but big saleries and health problems turn off KP.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
If it comes down to Carter or Salmons...
I say: NO TRADE
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
i would take salmons in a second
especially for frye and a 2nd rounder
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
which is why we should go get salmons
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
You should go read the NY Times article on Shane Battier.
There is more to evaluating a player than the stats he puts up or how “awesome” he appears in a game.
No knock meant towards Slamons, but he hasn’t exactly developed a reputation as a guy who makes his teammates better. That sort of player is what I believe Portland needs more than any other. And for those who have argued that Battier is that guy – I agree. But I also am of the opinion that even KP would have a hard time prying him aware from Morely, as Morely knows full well what he has in Battier.
hakkaa päälle !
i would agree
but battier cant be had for frye, a pick and some cheez wiz like Salmons can
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
you think so?
if that were the case, I think KP would have done that LONG ago
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
So if Jefferson is the "Escort"
Would that make the Bucks the “Pimp”?
They appear to only be interest in money with this trade/
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Jefferson is more than an Escort.
Money problems of the Bucks are what makes him a bargain.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
all relative
of that group, IMO he’s the Escort. He’s a reliable, no-nonsense ride that does the fundamentals well. He wouldn’t have the impact of either Butler or Wallace, though.
Salmons doesnt involve
RLEC. it would be a frye, maybe another player and pick trade
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I have always liked Wallace.
I watched him in college. Even then he was an exciting player who could carry a team. But it is hard for me to believe that if a deal was to be made that it would not be Jefferson. We could probably get him without giving up any of our good, great, or potentially great players.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
are anyone
got all double negative twisted. The names for discussion aren’t anyone we haven’t discussed already.
The idea of Jefferson to me is crazy. He is the oldest of the group we talk about, he has never been a leader of a team, he is owed 13.2 mil this year and that increases over the next 3. He averages 17 and 5 in like 35 minutes a game. Could Travis not get that? Not only that his PER is around 14.2 (taking all this from memory) which is about where Travis is. Now the ultimate question, do you pay Travis (who can also fill in at PF) 4-5 million or Jefferson (who can’t fill in at PF) 13 million? The answer is pretty obvious. If a trade goes down, it will be a homerun (Butler for example), it won’t be Jefferson. Especially if they are trying to pawn Ridnour off on us, KP doesn’t have stupid written on his face.
I pretty much agree
Jefferson is a bad idea. BUT if he’s the best KP can get without giving up a major piece (like Bayless), I still think he’s worth doing a deal for RLEC rather than holding onto it. He’ll certainly be an upgrade at SF this year – Nic is just not ready.
The primary advantages over Outlaw are shooting efficiency, BBIQ, and defense. Travis could put up similar per game stats, but not in the same way, and certainly not with the same D.
But I wholeheartedly agree that Jefferson should be a last ditch option. I’m not even sure I like him better than VC. Love him or hate him, Carter is a better all around player – it’s just a fact. In any event, Butler and Wallace aren’t in the same league, in my book. Those guys are serious impact players, potentially – Jefferson’s more of a filler.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 17, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair to wallace
yes he is inury prone but part of the reason is he is willing to sacrifice his body, plays more minutes than most and he’s had some bad luck too. (a collapsed lung is different than a sore ankle.)
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
that was Bynum being cheap and going after him.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum is dirty.
Seeing that replay still makes me angry.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
karma is a b*tch...esp for him injuring our future all-star SF
Yes on Proposition #9 (RLEC must go!!!!)
lol.
more reason to hate LAL
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Isn't Charlotte historically really great against LA?
Wallace gives them a MAJOR headache. Adding him means we have a legitimate shot to beat the Lakers.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
We are tough against the Lakers to begin with
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
yup
but without Wallace, I don’t think we challenge them in a seven game series. With him, we have a shot.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
With Wallace we match up against them better than anyone
With the possible exception of the Spurs, though their mismatch is more due to experience. Does Gerald Wallace generally defend Kobe when they play. Obviously the last time they played Raja Bell played against him.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
I was at RufusOnFire
and the blogger there, David Arnott, was saying that Crash would love to guard Kobe, but it’s hard because Kobe was in at the 2 and Crash at the 3.
Now that Bynum is out and Odom isn’t at the 3, Brandon could take Walton and Wallace could take Kobe, which he likes to do.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
i feel like a giddy kid on xmas morning
2 more days!!
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Crash Wallace is one of my five favorite non-Blazers in the NBA
if we got him… man. I would freak out.
Wow, did Chad Ford call the Hornets-Thunder deal!
4. New Orleans Hornets send Tyson Chandler to Oklahoma City for Joe Smith, Chris Wilcox and Mouhamed Sene and the first-round pick the San Antonio Spurs owe the Thunder.
Why should the Thunder should do it?
Chandler in the middle would help complete their rebuilding process. He’s the shot-blocking, rebounding machine the team has lacked since its days in Seattle.
Why should the Hornets do it?
This would be a cap-saving maneuver by the Hornets. It wouldn’t make great basketball sense, but they would get a first-round pick and some veteran help for the playoffs in Joe Smith.
Will it happen?
The Thunder are looking to be active. This deal would cut into their cap space this summer but, honestly, would they really lure anyone better than Chandler in free agency?
As for the Hornets, they need to get under the luxury-tax threshold. This would accomplish that in a hurry while still providing some assets for next year.
Note to Fans: Please turn off the injury-prone argument.
This is a nonsensical statement that applies to everyone who plays in the NBA. I was caught up in this way of thinking, but it doesn’t make sense. Nobody stands outside of this argument as a standard, so we can’t apply it for or against anyone.
This is a nonsensical statement that applies to everyone who plays in the NBA
He’s right. Sign Tracy McGrady now! :p
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
cringe
Bill Walton?
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
What's Sam Bowie doing now?
Still trying to figure out the C value paradox...
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I agree...
Injuries are a reality in the NBA. as far as teams go, I also think that the Blazers are better prepared to deal with significant injuries. Even if Crash were to go down for a extended period of time, Martell Webster is a more than capable starting SF (obviously not right now, but as we look down the line.)
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
he fits our timeline (is 26), our needs, and our chemistry. If he gets hurt, we go back to Batum/Webster. That’s not a huge drop off.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
yes - but i believe ford mentioned batum in his article for the wallace exchange
… KP won’t give up batum
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
that was an article
about trades that the columnist believes make sense for both teams, not actual rumors.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
simple solution to this injury mumbo jumbo:
hire the dude from PHO who revived grant hill and shaq.
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k but I can only think of a few players that arn't
“injury prone”
to name a “few”
karl Malone….
Dwight Howard….
anyone not named either of them two…..is prone to injuries…
I mean, not everyone can take a samuari mindset to work with them…EVERYDAY……..
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Um, not like this...
All players get injured – but all players don’t get four (count ’em – FOUR) concussions by the age of 26 AND a few broken ribs.
Wallace is not your everyday player.
But, you have to distinguish between injury prone and fragile. Injury prone? Yes. But the reason is because he’s a warrior who careens around the court like some character out of a video game, with no regard for his own safety. That’s the kind of injury prone I’ll take all day, as long as he doesn’t have serious lasting damage (which is certainly possible, and maybe even likely).
Fragile? No. It’s not like the guys blowing out a knee every year. HE’S BANGING HIS HEAD. It happens for a reason – he’s a maniac, in a good way. But anybody who bangs their head in a similar manner will get concussed.
In sum, Wallace gets hurt a lot, but it’s like Schwartzenager getting hurt a lot in 80’s movies. He’s always rushing into enemy fortresses with two pistols and a hunting knife, and taking out 18 tanks and 155 rebels with M-16s. He ends up with a few nicks and scratches, but it’s a good thing because he’s a nasty, aggressive sunuvagun.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Love the "Ahnald" references
“Crash” would show all these softy, young pups what it means to give up the body … he might even inspire LaMarcus a little bit.
I vote for anything that makes our team tougher and nastier, and doesn’t bring in a bad apple (like Artest) Wallace fits the bill perfectly.
I LOL'ed when this person said that Hinrich is an upgrade over Blake...
Maybe when Blake is hurt…but never when he is healthy.
by Ireallyliketheblazers on Feb 17, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions
i think its fair to say hinrich is slightly better or at least even
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Sell me on Butler
Because all I see is a volume shooter that can’t D up as well as Wallace. Why is he more coveted?
Same...
I don’t know why we would want another shooter that plays no D. This team is filled with them.
by Ireallyliketheblazers on Feb 17, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Creates his own shot...
and makes them. You can’t tell me Wallace isn’t a volume shooter, because he is, his shooting percentage is horrible. While Butler is no stalwart on defense, he’s not horrible either. I don’t think you can blame defensive woes of the Wizards on Butler, rather on the coaching staff. Wallace is not as good as Butler and is expensive for a guy who hurts himself running into things, and basically is a defensive specialist that can’t shoot (i.e. an expensive Trevor Ariza). Don’t get me wrong, I really like Gerald Wallace, but, honestly, that’s all he brings to the table. I think Luc-Richard Mbah-a-Moute potentially could be like Wallace.
Wallace's TS%
is 56.8%. That’s extremely efficient.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Butler is a jump shooter
We don’t really need that. This team can score. They can’t defend. Wallace takes 68% of his shots inside, compared to 28% for Butler. He’s not a 3 point shooter by any means, but that’s why we have Martell off the bench.
all around skills
butler is an all-star level player, wallace is a very good one. both play excellent defense, and butler does far more than shoot jumpers
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Butler sucks on defense
Take it from someone who watches him every game.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Wallace is like Josh Childress on Steroids
and with less regard for his personal safety.
I seriously doubt you’ve ever watched him play.
oh he plays d
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing Butler fact of the day
He’s missed more games than “Crash” in the past five years.
To clarify
Technically Wallace has missed more, but Butler was hobbled and played limited minutes for 20 games in 05-06 due to injury giving him more “missed” time due to injury
Honestly I don't think Wallace or Salmons add that much...
Sure they’re a factor on the defensive end, but I’m still going to go with Caron Butler. Wallace-like guys are all over (defensive players with no jumpshot) and cheaper. Richard Jefferson is like an overpaid Outlaw, the only improvement I see being made in a trade that’s halfway reasonable is Caron Butler. Unless you can get Rashard Lewis, Danny Granger, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, or Tayshaun Prince somehow.
Wallace-like guys are all over???
Name em’ !!
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
interesting....not sure i agree
i think wallace > ariza > moon.
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nope... i don't think these names belong together (ariza, moon, wallace)
…. replace the name ‘wallace’ with outlaw and you’re a bit closer
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 17, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Uh
Wallace has a TS% of 56.8%. He’s an extremely efficient offensive player who excels on the defensive end, our weakness.
Sounds like a plan.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody remember Jerome Kersey?
His jumper was pretty dodgy too … that seemed to work out OK
Wallace-like guys are all over?
That comment is bizarre. He’s one of the best athletes in the league. He scores efficiently.
By win score, he’s one of the best 20 players in the league.
These are OFFENSIVE stats.
Oh, and he’s also a physically dominant defender who’s 26 years old, and who suffers from having to carry the load on the perimeter for a perenially crappy team. Oh, and he also played power forward some the past two years because his team doesn’t have one.
(Cue the chant after the first big battle in Braveheart… )
Wallace! Wallace! Wallace! Wallice!
Get on board…
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I just thought of something else.
The guy kills himself for a perennially crappy team … think about that for a second and let it sink in. I mean he absolutely sacrifices his body for a team that has had little hope of advancing to the playoffs year in and year out.
That ought to tell you all you need to know about the kind of character he has in addition to all of his talent.
I don't doubt that...
But you also have to look at just how beat up his body is. We’re talking about 4 concussions and a collapsed lung in the course of 5 seasons. Fragile is a word that comes to mind when I think about that. Additionally, Wallace’s shot selection is somewhat suspect. Again, I like Wallace as a player (to me one of the best “next Scottie Pippen” comparisons), but I don’t know that it’s a fit for Portland.
Wallace
I absolutely love the idea of Wallace and May for LaFrentz, Rodriguez and Batum. I don’t see Sergio getting significantly better than he is right now and, despite what a nice story he’s been this year, Batum’s ceiling isn’t extremely high. Wallace improves the defense which is something that Amare wouldn’t have done and I’m glad to see us out of the running in that potential deal. I’m just encouraged that all of these names help our defense.
The SF who might help Portland the most is none of the above.
The guy who might be the best fit is highly unlikely to be attainable. That’s Battier. However I remember a guy that exhibited a lot of the characteristics of him. One Ime Udoka. Right now I’d rather have Udoka teaming with Batum at the 3 spot, than any of the guys being mentioned here.
hakkaa päälle !
agreed
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
what's going to happen to rudy's minutes?
at the end of the game, a lot of the time he’s playing sf. rudy plays about 26min/gm. he only gets about 10 of those at sg behind roy.
ignacio
i think the bench plays 5 players, not necessarily by position
rudy will get his time
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace is a
HUGE upgrade for us at the SF postion!!!!! His defensive intensity and weakside rebounding are amazing, and would propel us right into the WCF in my opinion. Plus we would actually get 12-15 pts. average a night from the starting SF position. I have been pushing a trade for him for a long time. I would rather us get Felton over May, and send Blake along with Sergio, but as long as we get Wallace, we are upgrading, plus we get a legit backup PF in May.
Although Battier and Prince MAY be better, I do not think they are available to the Trailblazers, or there would be rumors about them out there.
I buy a Wallace Jersey as soon as the trade is finalized!!!! He is the MISSING LINK!! lol
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions
I agree with everything you said except ...
Sean May. The dude is a lackadaisical scrub with a terrible work ethic … but at least he expires this year.
No way Butler gets traded unless
they get 2 of 3, Rudy Bayless Travis, plus RLEC and POR takes Etan Thomas. I can’t see KP trading Rudy or Bayless unless we get a superstar in return. Plus, Butler is like Rudy to us, more valuable to Wash than the rest of the league. I could see Jamison go before Butler ever will.
Wallace, Jefferson are the most likely. I also have a feeling that KP might go after VC if it’s for a poo-poo plater and he thinks one of the other teams in the West might acquire him (Spurs, Mavs)
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
would you give up bayless or rudy too?
i’m not ready to give up on them yet
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
What about something less grandiose?
Frye and Diogu for Grant Hill?
Give Portland a veteran for two or three years, good locker room guy, great teacher for Martell and Travis, playoff experience. Sends Frye and ike back home to a god situation. Phoenix can either dump salary or resign them. Hill ain’t taking them to the promised land.
Not a blockbuster but ties up some nice loose ends and gives Portland some of what they need.
Yes
He did say that… and I believe it.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know.
I just don’t see KP giving up big chunks of the roster for this year. I beleive him when he says he’s going to be patient.
Another thing Crash Brings to the table...
Fantastic transition defense.
He does an amazing job blocking people from behind in transition. How badly do we need that on this team? He is the perfect addition for us. He would be our best perimeter defender, our best player in transition (on both ends) he gives us a physical element that we lacked on the wing. He can put the ball on the floor, shoot and slash.
It is painfully obvious that the Blazers don’t play transition defense.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Now to add a serious reply...
You are right, McMillan like to play a methodical half court offense. As a team hoping to win in the playoffs, however, you need to be able to play multiple styles of basketball to exploit the oppositions weaknesses. With Bayless, Fernandez, Aldridge already major threats in transition, adding Crash could further develop that aspect of the game.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZTUxwIFmY
go to 1:34 where crash blocks the guys shot, falls down, and then blocks another guys shot
A SF who plays help defense in the post
Now some of those fouls on Oden might become blocks by Wallace
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly plus
we get a legitimate rebounder at the SF position.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
SI.com
is reporting that the Wallace deal would/could involve a third team and include RLEC. Maybe an upgrade at PG as well????
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions
That would be a great deal
and would probably make the Fakers shake in their sneakers!!!!!
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing you want the SI link
and not a link to the article saying the Fakers will be shaking in their sneakers. I looked for it and couldn’t find it either.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Here ya go.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ian_thomsen/02/17/cavs.wizards/
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
How about a 3 way
Here’s a trade proposal where KP gets Wallace and Hinrich
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aeucaw
drool away
Hinrich....
I’m not sure about Hinrich. He’s not much of an upgrade over Blake and he costs about twice as much.
If the other teams in the Top 9 make a move to better themselves
ex. Carter to Houston. I think we have to make a move. Ric Bucher said on courtside last week that, while we don’t have to win it all, “We can’t afford to not make the playoffs this year.”
There's no way Portland doesn't make the playoffs with the roster it has...
Unless it suddenly becomes worse than Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Utah, Houston, and New Orleans. It should at least be better than Dallas and Phoenix.
Here's the text from the
the SI.com article:
Other talks that emerged Tuesday included interest from the Portland Trail Blazers in acquiring small forward Gerald Wallace from the Charlotte Bobcats. The Blazers would package the expiring $12.7 million salary of Raef LaFrentz, and a third team could be involved. Mark this as another sign that the Blazers are investigating all opportunities.
Also, there has been renewed interest around the league in acquiring Richard Jefferson from the Milwaukee Bucks, who may be forced to unload salary to avoid the luxury tax. Several teams have shown interest, though the Trail Blazers appear to have dropped out of the bidding.
Sweet
As a person who covets Wallace and doesn’t really like Richard Jefferson, this is great news all around. I wonder who the third team is.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Third Team is
insert whichever team you wish that wants to dump salary or get better for the playoffs.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions
So we have eliminated the dumb teams that don't know what to do?
Darn… I was hoping Memphis was involved.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Would not call Memphis dumb
at least not where Portland is concerned. They got us with Miles didn’t they????
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions
Most Efficient Offense
Since Portland’s offense is already efficient, we really need a defensive presence at the small forward. This is why we lose!! Wallace would be excellent. Battier as well. Wallace all the way, but I’d give up Bayless in a hearbeat to get Butler. Go KP! I’m sure the man hasn’t slept in 72 hours, and likely won’t until either a trade is made, or Thursday comes and goes.
If Houston does the Carter for McGrady deal
wouldn’t that suddenly make Battier more available?
Sudden thought…what if KP is in the middle of the Carter for McGrady deal?!
With Shane heading to PDX?
Wallace - A Beautiful player
I checked out those Youtube highlights on Gerald Wallace and he is just phenomenal. Lets not forget how much he punished us a few games ago. He was also putting it on the Lakers the other night until he took that flagrant foul and collapsed the lung. He’ll want payback for sure. Nothing like stoking the rivalry with LA. He is powerful and graceful and plays superior weak side defense. He creates fast break opportunities for himself and others with steals and blocks and can finish those breaks which a slam or a dish, which only Brandon does consistently. If we have a chance at getting Wallace, KP has to do it.
People forget
but Wallace just “kills” us when we play Charlotte
+500
He owned us in Charlotte….I seem to remember him blocking a bunch of shots including GO…running the length of the floor and dnking the crap out of us…
Sean May? Pay him to stay home…..
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
sean may COULD be good.
no one has any clue because he is never healthy
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Miller
Nobody is really talking about Mike Miller as a possibility. He is a fantastic option at the right price. He shoots and passes the ball well and at 6’8" has the height and footwork to guard well against most 3’s. I know the Blazers like him, but I’m not sure Minnesota will give him up.
Minnesota doesn't want to trade him
And right now, the Blazers need to think about defense rather than offense. Miller shoots the three well and is a willing passer, but he doesn’t defend which is what Portland needs the most right now from a perimeter player.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
True - Miller is not known for his D.
But a SF who can hit the open shot, drive to the basket, or throw dimes is a major upgrade over what we have right now.
no no please not mike miller
not only would i hate having to look at his face (and his hair!) but he just isn’t any good. he didn’t get on this year’s cnn/sports illustrated anti all-star team by accident. he’s having a bad year and is slow even by white guy standards. he’s become reluctant to shoot the 3. no D whatsoever.
let’s get gerald wallace and move on.
ignacio
Jeff Green!
Green is what Trout dreams of becoming. I love Green’s D and he has great scoring ability. There’s no chance in Hades that OKC gives up Green, for any price.
concerning Wallace...
When we played the Bobcats in Charlotte, Wallace was our weakness, from watching that game I started dreaming of having an aggressive 3. But, from what I remember from that game there was a lot of talk that Wallace’s style did not mesh with coach Larry Brown. Is there truth to that. I feel there is and if so then wouldn’t that make Charlotte more willing to shed his contract?
The Knicks are not interested in moving their cheap guys unless they can bundle them with Curry or Jeffries
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Looks like KP is talking
to the Nets as well for Carter
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913836
I think we give up to much for what we get in Carter, unless the talks with the Bobcats has fallen apart, Wallace is a much better player for us.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions
Forgive the contrariness
but Vinsanity is a superstar with a lot of life in him. He is expensive but he offers the highest level of basketball skill (high production over the course of entire seasons), veteran smarts (he knows every play in the book), durability (rarely injured for long and no serious injuries) and a great teammate. Forget all the hand-me-down slights associated with his reputation from his divorce in Toronto, for years now he has been a pro and a winner. Get Vince KP, please.
one question though
since Vince has lost his insane hops his offensive game has diversified, but I haven’t seen him enough to know that his defense has progressed. Has it?
Vince is quite a showbaoting DB...don't think you'd like having him around
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
Hey
can you give a little insight on what’s going on in Greg’s knee? Obviously you don’t know about Greg’s knee, but you know general information about that type of information.
I wish I knew more...I'm hoping that his mom pulls my card out of her wallet
and calls me so I can help . . . . All you Bedgers need to focus your collective energy on Indiana and have that wonderful woman remember the conversation she and I had in Philly so she will have the light bulb go off…and call me so I can get him right
They were to look at things futher today I thought….chip fracturescan be nothing if the chip isn’t in a place where it interferes with movement….if it’s “floating” around, the made need to go in and get it but even that would be minor….mostly surface irritation – - – - ice pack, discomfort, probably adrenaline alone would push him through
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
sorry i missed some typos
also, the size if the “chip” is important….and the location—- the tracking of the kneecap can be effected, altering the plane of the “hinge” portion of the knee joint…
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
would depend on a bunch of things...
size of the fragment and it’s location are the big two…how much of the patellar ligament would have to be disturbed (good news is that the patella is completely encased in that ligament which tends to hold everything in place)…its very much up at the surface though which is good…would expect a VERY short recovery regardless….some of the swelling he experience was likely from the impact, not neccessarily the fracture…picture the kneecap getting slammed straight back into the bone….gonna bruise up in there…
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
ah
that makes a lot of sense. I guess if this was LaMarcus, we would understand it’s minor. With Greg, every injury is a little more stressful.
Thanks for the info.
If they have to arthroscopically scope/flush it because the small chip would be “moving around”, word is that he would be out two weeks. Nothing serious, except some more articles and stupid comments on ESPN. But since they haven’t done anything yet, it could be just painful and not cost him more than a week out.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
yeah if it's stable and he doesn't mind, he might just play through it
with a kneepad and ice on the bench
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
ah
so the main issue with this injury is more “Sam Bowie!!!” crap from ESPN for the next two weeks. Great.
For a lot of reasons this deal wouldn't make sense
but first and foremost…if rumors are to believed, Richard Jefferson is available to Portland for the same or even less. So what makes more sense? Get a 32 year old VC who plays horrible defensive whose contract expires in 2011 with $17million on it. Or 28 year old Richard Jefferson, who actually plays defense, is a similar scorer, and whose contract expires in 2011 with $15million on it?
This doesn’t make sense.
Wallace has played 38 minutes so far tonight, game going to OT
He doesn’t look back to full health, but at least he can play which is much earlier than I would have expected (early to mid March).
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Vince
has good hand speed, plays in the passing lanes and plays solid on the perimeter. He understands how to play successfully in all situations. He’s still a great player and we would see improvement on the team before the playoffs start.
he wouldn't be playin tonight if they weren't packing him up...
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
He's everything we need in a SF... good point about him playing tonight.
I want him. Now I just need Greg to be okay, and I’ll be very confident for the rest of the season.
I think he's coming.....just a feeling I got...
can’t help wondering if my buddy Shav is gonna come home to NC
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
That'd be great for him
I love having him, but going back home would be awesome. Larry would probably dig his fundamental style of play.
If this is any indication, people here love him - I took this after the Char game (in NC)
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
Would Shav really be included in a deal though?
With the RLEC for Wallace, it’s them who would have to add salary.
Shav's might help with rounding error and if we are taking 2 players and giving one...
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
meant to say Shav's salary is so (relatively) low that it might help with rounding error
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
and I can't help but note that Shav got some minutes in that Charl game in Portland
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
Interesting
It would be a very KP esque move to trade for Crash Wallace and send Shav to his home state.
His salary is easy to throw in, for sure.
Maybe they give us Ajinca, who they were initially high on but now don't seem to like anymore
To team up with Nic. Or we have to give up Nic, to team up with Diaw and Ajinca to roll out half of the future French national team ;-)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
hm...it'll certainly be interestin
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
tonight
he locked down against Turkoglu, holding him to 3-13 shooting. Wallace-Aldridge-Oden would be formidable.
Something I like just as much...
He was 3-9 from the field.
Not an impressive number, but it is nice to know that he doesn’t demand shots when he isn’t feeling it. If his shot isn’t falling, he focuses on other aspects of the game.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
he is a monster on the defensive end
Absolute monster. If someone could put his brain into ’Sheed, that player would dominate the league.
Wallace would solve
all our ills at the 3. He can slash, shoot jumpers, is a good rebounder, and a great defender. If we are sending RLEC for him and May? Then we can use our other assets to get a good/better passing PG during the summer.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 18, 2009 1:27 AM PST reply actions
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