*Confirmed* NBA Trade Drawer (update 9)
by douglast on Feb 19, 2009 12:24 PM PST
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PrintI figured I would post this up as a single area of discussion for all NBA trades that go down over the next few days. Once a trade is confirmed to have occurred, I'll update this main post, and we can all discuss and analyze these trades in the comments.
Confirmed Trades:
2/17: Boston trades G Sam Cassell to Sacramento for a protected 2nd round pick. Cassell is expected to be waived by the Kings: link
2/17: New Orleans trade C Tyson Chandler to OKC for F Chris Wilcox F Joe Smith, and the draft rights to DeVon Hardin: link RESCINCED. Chandler reportedly failed physical
2/18: Sacramento trades F John Salmons and C Brad Miller to Chicago for F Andres Nocioni, F Drew Gooden, F Michael Ruffin, and F Cedric Simmons: link
2/18: Sacramento trades F Michael Ruffin to Portland for F Ike Diogu: link
2/18: LA Lakers trade C Chris Mihm to their lapdog Memphis for a conditional 2013 2nd round draft pick: link
2/19: Sacramento trades F Sheldon Williams and G Bobby Brown to Minnesota for G Rashard McCants and C Calvin Booth: link
2/19: NY trades Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson to Chicago for Larry Hughes: link
2/19: NY Malik Rose and cash to Oklahoma City for Chris Wilcox: link
2/19: Houston trades G Rafer Alston to Orlando, Orlando trades F Brian Cook to Houston, a 1st round pick to Memphis, and some filler. Memphis trades G Kyle Lowry to Houston: link
2/19: The Boston Celtics have agreed to trade Patrick O'Bryant to Toronto for backup point guard Will Solomon: link
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so, the Cassel trades prompts a question
why do the Kings do this? They give up a pick for nothing essentially. Unless they are getting cash back, it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not like 2nd round picks get guaranteed salaries like first rounders. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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A penny saved is a penny earned...
One less player on their payroll I guess is incentive enough. They weren’t ever playing him anyways..
I didn't mean to turn you on
right
but why do the kings do it?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Prepping for a trade?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Dwight Jaynes just had the same thought.
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Doing it to save money
If they’re taking on Cassell, and they’re going to waive him, that just means they did it to get some extra cash to help them in their crunch.
I don’t mind the deal as it just saves money for the Kings. So, I don’t know that it has anything to do with a trade to Portland. (The KIngs could do a 2 for 2 or 3 for 2 swap now if they have an extra roster spot. So trading for Cassell doesn’t make a difference as far as I can tell.)
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But didn't..
they just essentially add another contract to their payroll? How does that save money?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
already discussed below
Basically Cassell is owed about 500,000 dollars still this year, maybe a little less, and Boston paid Sac about 500,000, i still dont see how it helps sac much.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Boston paid them
more than Cassell cost them.
Since Boston is in the luxury tax, it saves Boston money, too.
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eh, if anything Sac was building up relationships for future trade considerations.
We basically got Roy for Telfair so maybe the Kings think they can become friends with the Celtics and get a similar deal :}
I didn't say that was the only reason
I don’t know if it is. But he asked how it saves Sac money, and the reason is because Boston gave them cash.
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we also gor RLEC
for Theo Ratliff’s EC one year prior to Raef in thtat trade for Roy. Now all we need is for KP to turn RLEC into gold.
R U kidding me?
Sam Cassell can flat out ball!! And he’s got many years of productivity ahead of him!!
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Wait, where am I?
And why does it look like 1998 around here?
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 18, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
When I read that report, I thought the Celtics were also sending cash.
Probably enough to cover his salary. And that the pick is so conditional, that it likely will never become Boston’s. It likely saves Boston money while costing the Kings nothing. That’s my guess.
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This is part of a bigger deal. Sacramento WANTS draft picks and money!
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You've been proclaiming Salmons as the answer
what is it in his game that makes him the guy we trade for? OKC just got Tyson Chandler for expiring contracts. We can do a lot better than Salmons with RLEC.
by Cablinasian on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
If we grab Salmons
it might be for Frye and Diogu.
But if we do that, then that zaps our space this summer, even with RLEC expiring, so that means we would also trade RLEC.
KP might do two deals….
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I have been thinking we could see two deals for a while, I think we know RLEC is gone, and I can see us moving Frye if it nets us someone like Salmons. That would be a great haul.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
But if we get Salmons
who will we get with RLEC? Are there any top PGs available? I doubt it.
So that means the RLEC deal could actually end up being something like that three way deal with Toronto and Phoenix for Bosh.
The next little while is certainly going to be interesting.
KP is probably laughing up his sleeve because he knows we’ll win it all next year without making a single move, so he’s going to do nothing, while we all go crazy.
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If we bring in Salmons for the Frye/Diogu combo, who’s out there (assuming it’s a PG, because Salmons essentially fills the SF spot) that RLEC + pieces can get us?
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Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Diogu can't be traded because he was a late signee.
I don’t think Sacramento is going to flush the borderline star Salmons without somebody taking one of their more onerous contracts (Miki or Miller).
I still think Miller + Salmons for Channing + RLEC + draft pick (+ cash?) is a fairly likely outcome.
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You are repeatedly wrong on this Timbo, Diogu can only not be traded back to Indiana during this season
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Right
He couldn’t be traded for two months after we acquired him. That has now past.
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A combo trade of Andre Miller & Salmons
with RLEC going to philly, and Ike going to sac. works under the trade machine. Andre’s contract expires so it’s like renting him this year for nothing except it lowered the total $ in contracts we had to send to Sac. Miller could be resigned by portland if he fit well… and if not nothing is lost except perhaps any sweetener that Portland may need to add to get the deal done.
by mrwonderfulone on Feb 17, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
link?
sounds tempting, but I’m not sure how we get 2 top rate players for 1 expiring contract and Ike Digou. I would throw picks, Sergio and Trout at this one to make it fly.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
what, his practice update?
Nothing has changed. It’s more of the same, and something that people are going to make an issue of despite the fact that it is saying nothing. Bayless isn’t leading us to the promised land this season and people should stop acting like it. At this point I can see either side of the Sergio/Bayless discussion, but I just want Sergio to get dealt so that people will just shut up about it. I mean if the trade deadline passes, and we don’t have Sergio and Trout, what horse will people on this site then find to kill and beat? Continuously. Until my eyes bleed.
Of course if Bayless is dealt rather than Serge, that Sergio horse, being beat 30 times every time he misses a shot and 50 for every turn over as long as he wears a Blazers uniform, now that would be fun.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Gotta consider the source too
I think Ben is almost always impartial unless he’s talking about Sergio, Bayless, or Durant. If it’s about one of those guys, you gotta take it with a grain of salt. I’m not saying he’s inaccurate with those three guys, he’s just bias when it comes to those three.
Rec this comment for good luck.
Ok
I just read the practice report and Ben wasn’t bias. From idog’s comment, I figured Ben implied that Sergio would be traded. Idog was probably talking about this quote, “Commence your second-guessing and trade speculating… now.” I think that would be nitpicking to say Ben implied Sergio would be traded with that quote, even though it might be exactly what Ben meant.
Rec this comment for good luck.
Actually
I was referring to the part where Nate said Jerryd becomes the 3rd guard off the bench. Not acceptable IMHO.
Why?
Why?
Would you rather Bayless beat out Sergio for the 2nd point guard, or would you rather just hand it to him by eliminating Sergio? I might be naive, but I think Nate will put the guy in who earned it and will increase the chances of winning. If Bayless can’t beat out Sergio for 2nd string point guard, I don’t want him playing 2nd string point guard.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Uh
Bayless did earn it, that’s the point. Check out his stats for the last 7-10 games compared to Rodriguez’
Nate is sending the wrong message by playing Sergio ahead of Jerryd. Hopefully, KP has asked him to “showcase” the Spaniard because you can’t honestly say that Sergio’s performance has merited the backup PT
I haven't looked at any Blazers stats this year
Sergio fits better with the second unit than the first. Bayless has to prove he is better in the second unit than Sergio is in the second unit, and he hasn’t don’t that. I’ve said from the start of the season that he would at some point and he hasn’t earned it yet. You’re comparing Sergio with the starters to Bayless with the backups, you got to compare them both with the backups.
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Doesnt Sac..
Save more money by not doing this deal?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Can a team under the cap...
take on a contract while giving up absolutely nothing in return? Maybe Boston is the one giving up the 2nd round pick along with Cassel. It’s so crazy it must be true.
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Yes
It’s what the Clippers did when they acquired Marcus Camby from the Nuggets.
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Memphis did it this season, for Shaun Livingston and someone else I can't remember right now
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Need to add the Chandler to the Thunder deal...
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Another reason to hate the THunder.
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Yeah, that trade sucks
Got to hate a young upcoming team getting better in your own division while the other team is simply dumping salary.
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Maybe now CP3
Will want out of NO and will want to play with his BFF Brandon Roy.
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Great idea! Hope Brandon talked us up a little at the ASG.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
That trade helps OKC A TON... They didn't have a center. Now they've got a pretty good one. Uht oh.
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Just wait
Till Blake Griffin is drafted by OKCITY.
Tyson, Green, Griff, Westbrook, and Durant would be a scary young talented team.
OKCITY CENTER
Plus, they draft a center every year and none of them have worked out. Might as well grab a proven commodity that is hurt now, so it won’t effect the win columnn and high draft pick possibility.
Right
but Durant struggled mightily at shooting guard and didn’t start to play well until he moved to small forward. That puts Green at power forward really. I don’t deny its a good move, but it’s not a move that’ll make them contenders by any means.
PF
I always thought Green was a better PF anyway. Griffin would be perfect fit for a relocated team like the Thunder. Same state as he played in college. Matched with another top pick (Durant would have been the top pick if if wasn’t for Sam Bowie Jr). Im sure Texan/Okies could really get excited with a team built around two of there own.
Ha
Yea well Jeff Green couldn’t guard 1/3 of the PFs in the NBA right now. He could be like Rashard Lewis in a gimmick system such as Orlando’s but they also have Dwight, and Blake Griffin is NOT a center. I think your analysis is a little fuzzy.
Salvage the season
I’m already predicting OKC to salvage their season. They know this is their test trial year. The Thunder will then win the lottery beacuse David Stern is a snake and he wants to see the Thunder thrive in OKC. Stern doesn’t want to see an ominous cloud hover over the team creating a bad fan base after he approved them to leave Seattle
Postin' Up On The Block Like A Mail Box...
I agree
that the thunder have a better than the listed odds chance at winning the draft
In the same way that stern realized Portland was becoming too powerful and created that “preseason games count” crap.
Durant + another top pick and the thunder can sell tickets. They’ve got a respectable market.
The Oklahoma City Thunder have completed a trade for New Orleans Hornets center Tyson Chandler, an NBA source said Tuesday.
The Hornets had been looking to trade Chandler, who has two more years worth $25.4 million left on his contract, for salary-cap relief. The Thunder give up forwards Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith and the draft rights to DeVon Hardin.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Wonder who will play tonight
Is Chandler healthy, anyone know?
Because N.O. plays in OKC tonight. Wonder if Chandler is still out and Wilcox and Smith will play for N.O.
Wonder how Chris Paul & co feel right now.
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That is funny
so will the new players just ride home on the team plane of the teams they just got traded to?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Well, Chandler will just stay in OKC, perhaps
Weird stuff. Wonder if teams have ever done a trade before on the same day they were playing each other.
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I think being an NBA player would be really odd a lot of the time. Like Chandler is already in OKC but I doubt he brought much with him. I think it would be hard to be traded all the time and have to move a lot. I hate moving, I cant imagine if I had to do it at least once a year.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
I think the millions of dollars and the fame
makes up for it, it would for me at least
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by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 17, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Players have been traded mid game.
Literally.
To the team they were playing against?
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It helps us this year...
b/c it hurts the Hornets.
Freaking Thunder, I hate to say it, are going to be really good
in a couple of years. Really good. They still have 5 first round draft choices in the next two years. Holy cow.
by raoulduke on Feb 17, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
following KP's model.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
agreed
That’s a whole lot of offense and a whole lot of potential.
Too bad their name still sucks. Don’t suppose names are up for grabs in trades…
by mr. driscoll on Feb 17, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
No
I disagree completely the Thunder don’t have a pure point guard who distributes or a real franchise big man. Their two best players play the same position… I think they have a looooong ways to go to be championship contenders. If you want a team to worry about, worry about the L*kers and Jazz for the next few years (if they ever get healthy). Those two teams are built to win championships.
No pure point guard?
I think Westbrook looks very good at that position.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
Nobody is CP3
But I wouldn’t be worrying about the point guard position if I were OKC.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
In the post-Jordan era...
Teams that win championships are built around big men and point guards. See: Shaq, Duncan, Chauncey, Tony Parker, even New Jersey went to the finals twice with Kidd. Do you think they have a franchise big man or point guard? Even back to the Jordan era if you throw the Bulls out it was all points and big men: stockton, malone, Ewing, Hakeem, etc.
Westbrook will be more of a point guard than most championship teams of the post bulls era had
Who did the L*kers have? What about the Spurs (Parker is great, but I wouldn’t say he is a pure point guard)? Even the Celtics last year? I can tell you Westbrook will be just as serviceable as any 1 spot on those teams.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Come on
you’re smarter than that please read my post. They had Shaq and Duncan and the Celts don’t really count because they had something no other team has really had the last few years in 3 all-NBA players at the top of their games. Championship teams are built around point guards and big men, you cannot argue with that unless you seemingly can’t read.
I'm not saying that I argue with your claim
but they all had dominant big men and serviceable point guards. Your contention was that they need to work on their point guard situation. I believe they have a point guard who is reliable enough to get them there if they have the big man that you are talking about. That really seems to be the key.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
I guess
My claim is that with Durant being the focal point they aren’t a championship team, and winning the Griffin lottery would require them to get rid of Jeff Green (a risky proposition) to find a legit place for him. Assuming Durant does his best work at SF, then I’d rather have a front line of Durant, Griffin, Chandler than Green, Griffin, Chandler and have Durant struggle at off guard. Blake Griffin would be a coup, but they don’t have a good place for him.
to be more accurate, it is a guard (not necessariuly a pg) and a big man that wins
Shaq had Kobe and Wade, neither is a pg.
I doesn't matter
They have draft picks and time to grow….I think if they develop right over the next 3-5 years they could be a contender with a couple of good picks…
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
You know who will hate that trade: All the championship contenders, most of all Boston
They had high hopes that the Thunder would buy out Joe Smith, so they could acquire a P.J. Brown-like veteran big man on the cheap for the playoffs.
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now that's
a great trade and the more the great k.durant gets more players around him who can ball
the quicker he’ll get a ring to silence his many haters in this room heeheehee.
Nah. Kevin Durant is this generations Tracy McGrady
Even better than T-Mac, but the way he plays isn’t conducive to championship team play.
The only way Durant wins a championship is if he turns into Larry Bird instead of T-mac.
He needs to become a Great Playmaker
The great championship-winning perimeter players in the game (or those poised to win a title)—from West, to the Big O, to Frazier, to Barry, to Magic/Bird, to Isiah, to Jordan and Pippen, to Wade and LeBron (and hopefully Roy)—have not just been awesome scorers, but playmakers as well.
The great perimeter players NOT on that list—Dr. J, King, ’Nique, Kobe, Iverson, ’Melo—either needed a HOF big man at their side to win a title, or failed to do so. Obviously, ’Melo still is maturing as a player.
T-Mac is a bad compare here, as he IS a good playmaker—he just is never healthy.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Allen Iverson's problem wasn't a lack of playmaking ability, but rather inefficent shooting.
That’s not to say Iverson doesn’t hog the ball, but that negative trait isn’t his biggest shortcoming.
One guy you didn’t put on your list of high-volume scoring perimeter players who don’t proficiently distribute the ball to their teammates, Geroge Gervin, is an overall more apt comparison to Kevin Durant than Julius Erving, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, et al.
I, however, like the statistical comparison between Durant and Carmelo Anthony, although there’s distinct difference between them stylistically — which explains why the Tracy McGrady comparison is thrown around at times — yet, when it’s all said and done, stats are more substantial than style.
Yes, T-Mac has more assists, but he is still a jacker.
Jackers don’t make good teammates. Jackers can carry a team, but usually not 4 games out of 7 as Mcgrady has shown. Durant is a jacker and always will be. I do think Durant is very, very similar to the Orlando version of T-mac.
Nowitski & Rashard Lewis are also similar in my opinion.
What could we do
to silence the man GO haters in this room? Just curious cause that is something I’m actually interested in.
KD > Oden, Presti > KP and you know Clay Bennet >>> Paul Allen. OKC FTW! Official member of Blazers Turncoat OKC Bandwagon!
update with Chandler trade
thanks all. take an hour to do some work and look what happens…
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durant
now has something to look foward to for the next 3 years,good for that great young stud.
thats ten times better
than looking into the post and seeing Robert Swift (yikes!).
Joel Freeland=Stud
douglast....
could you update you’re title (update 1,2,3..and so forth) as you update it……
I figure dave’ll let this one slide and I don’t wanna get caught “refreshing” my puter all day by the gustopo….(not that my gustopo’s all that bad, but some of the fan’s are)
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done
will continue
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lol...spanky spanky....thank you spanky spanky is what the bold title is suppose to read...
it’s been a baaaaad day today if ya’ll can’t telll….
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KP is a bust!
OH GOD WHY DIDN"T WE HIRE PRESTI! Don’t look now but we blew it. It’s clear we should have drafted Presti! We could have gotten our franchise center for a box of peanut shells. OH woe is us! Presti will be a hall of fame GM! Did you see him at the Rookie Sophmore GM Texas Hold em challenge? He beat KP with pocket 2 7 non suited when KP had pocket aces, Presti got a two on the flop, 4th street and the river! WE"RE DOOMED PORTLAND OKC FOR THE WIN!!!
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by Idog1976 on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
/s for those that can't read "sarcasm" too well ....
(forgive me if I’m out in left feild idog….it’s been one of them days :)
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;)
No problem. I felt a knee jerk reaction comment was lacking here. Especially one filled with Envy and Remorse the two favorite emotions of knee jerk posters.
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lol...
I like you though…..and didn’t want to see you engaged by the ever creaping, creap (people with my desire to stir a pot)…..
but really….who’d have read your comment and took it seriously…..
ouch!!! (we don’t know eachother well enough for me to be making them kind of jokes)….
(but I’m a good friend to have ;)
despite allllllllll signs that sugest otherwise….
k….now let me have it ;)
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No way man
KP just needs time to develop. Remember he came off a terrible jail-blazer era and the trauma of not drafting Chris Paul set him back quite a ways. I think after he psycologically heals we will start to see some real production from him and he’ll be able to develop into the GM we thought we were getting. I mean we’ve seen a few flashes. Who brought their lucky rabbits foot to the 2007 draft, not Presti. I think that we’ve got to stick with our guy.
by boppitywop on Feb 17, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
sigh. your sarcasm is a bit too unsarcastically true
Presti just got his franchise center for little more than a box of peanut shells. Plus in the ‘07 draft he got the NBA’s leading scorer for the next decade.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Really?
You think KD is better then Lebron? Really? Some of people just plain blow my mind.
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I think he was just making a point, LeBron is undoubtedly better
Though, Durant does not look to pass as often as James, so maybe, just maybe, he’ll score more some years.
close enough though
Chandler is close enough to being a franchise center. He can fill the paint and anchor the post. Great rebounder. Plus he’s a good passer.
And obviously LBJ is better than Durant. “Better” has many measurements and LBJ wins on most of those measurements. But scoring-wise I would not be surprised if KD averages more PPG during several of the next ten years.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
I agree that KD will be the NBA’s leading scorer over the next decade. Think Alex English or George Gervin.
Not the best player though, that would be LJ by a mile.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 19, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
What about yesterday's trade of Acker to the Clips?
Or are we starting with 2/17/09?
Great idea for a thread, BTW.
i can go back and grab that one if we want, and the Marion/ONeal one as well
I just figured i would start it going forward, since the past ones have likely already been discussed here, or no one cared about them.
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Jigga what?
What makes you think that?
by Godkid86 on Feb 17, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So, Joe Smith and Wilcox can kill us in the playoffs now?
I’m not kidding, those two are evil against us.
ha , good point
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by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 17, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Smith and Wilcox will have the best seasons of their career
with CP3 at the helm.
Joe Smith and Wilcox
will be playing for a 6 or 7 seed, maybe even 8th seed. I doubt we’ll face them.
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Something BIG is coming
Just got that feeling.
KP is fishing in the deep waters right now….and he’s got the right bait for sure.
The Oden Era, Day 604
by Heymoe on Feb 17, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Trading cousins!
How cute…
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 17, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Better than kissing cousins, I imagine.
Anybody else really hoping this doesn’t happen? I think the Nets would have to be half-drunk to do this, right?
"It is impossible for a man of any intellect to write an honest line." -SB
by nightbluefruit on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
They would trade T-Mac as an expiring contract next season I assume
This way they would get out from under Vince Carter’s contract, who is much too long for their liking. They signed him to it, but even if he continues to play like right now it’s still not a good deal. I hear their move to Brooklyn is all but dead, and they might look to save at least a little more salary while waiting for the free agent bonanza of 2010/11.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
that is your
best name yet.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
sorry
this is THE best name yet
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
Would you do Martell Webster
for Jason Terry?
Dallas wouldn’t. :)
(Or Telfair for Starbury)?
by EngineerScotty on Feb 17, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
i like the nets counter offer more for both teams
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i’e been planning on making that exzact account for about two months now, but had just been too lazy to make a new email. awsome name. </ facepalm >
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
Good! Get the VC/ Blazer rumors to stop.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
This trade works, but may be too good to be true.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dc5y67
As much as I want to see this trade, I really don’t see it happening, I think Charlotte is going to want more, and probably Indiana too.
If that happens to work, we still have Ike Diogu we can trade. If we have any backup holes we can patch them up with a Diogu trade.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Tinsley?
Misconduct. A worse shooter than our PGs now, maybe a better passer, but with the TOs included. I’d actually rather keep Frye.
Just something to consider
Both the Marion-O’Neal and the Chandler-Smith-Wilcox trades were discussed quite a bit before they were made. Perhaps the are some good league sources out there… may or may not apply to the Blazers, but worth noting that the claim that “if it’s discussed in the media, then it’s dead” is not always true.
Gerald Wallace is playing tonight
Make the trade KP.
FYI here is latest udate of the Chad Ford piece
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
yeh carter is old...32 or somethin'
would hate to lose Trav and Sergio, but come on. It’s Air Canada.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
Carter is still a good offensive threat
He’s a good shooter. I’m most worried how he would fit. What the Blazers are doing offensively works. I don’t see the need for adding another offensive weapon. I don’t see Blazers getting much more efficient on offense with Carter. He might even mess with the Blazers rhythm. Will Carter defer to Roy or expect a certain number of shots?
More importantly, Carter and I were born a few days apart. I know my body is winding down…
Agreement from here in New Jersey
Carter is looking GREAT this year, but I also question whether he’s right for the Blazers. I think two ways about it: 1. He scores a lot of his points on outside jumpers, which would be a good fit. 2. What if he starts winding down in two years, just when the Blazers need him most? So maybe he is not a good fit long-term. I’m not sure.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
i think the dream is that the transition between carter and batom could essentially be seamless
so that his eventual decline would not matter.
still dont want him
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
two guys I always put on my team first thing in NBA Live 2003
Darius Miles and Vince Carter.
The best two dunkers in the NBA—both rated 99.
Dang it would be ironic to get the second of the two on our team 6 years later.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
I'd like Salmons
as long as we don’t use RLEC
Frye and two pounds of butter
Channing Frye goes to hell: play the season out in the town he ’dissed, Sacramento.
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
The Mouth and Weber both were making noise like the HORNETS got the best of the deal with OKC...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I have to admit
I am on board with getting Carter. It took me a while to come around, but he looks like the BPA for Portland at this point. I take him over Jefferson hands down. I really wish KP could get a pg, but I just don’t see it happening. RLEC + Outlaw + some small assets(Sergio, Shav, pick) is good with me. Get it done KP….
RUDY > MJ
I'm dead set against adding anyone older than 30 to the roster
I don’t want the best player now. I want the guy who will be the best player (out of the ones we could get) over the next 4 years.
No way Carter is going to be the best over that time period. He’s on the downside of his career.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
or, at least, dead set against our *big* move being for a guy older than 30
I would be cool with a vet on the bench or someone like Andre Miller for cheap. Miller would be an upgrade at PG, and by the time he was done, Bayless would be more than ready (assuming we resigned him).
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
Yep. He's not Vince Carter, so I approve
My preference would be Iggy, but he’s a pipe dream. Butler next, then probably Wallace. Injuries are a concern though. Salmons may end up being more reliable.
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
All 3 of those players are pipe dreams
I love Wallace’s D but hate his poor outside shooting. We need our 3 to stretch the floor for both Oden and Roy. On top of that he has had a fairly injury prone career. I trust KP and will be happy with anyone he chooses to add, but Wallace makes me a little nervous and I haven’t heard of him being available for expiring contracts like Carter has….
RUDY > MJ
Maybe
We need our 3 to have good outside shooting, just because that’s what our current one(s) do well. GW’s slashing ability shouldn’t be underrated, and once we have Blake back, he’ll stretch the floor.
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 17, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Our offense is very efficient right now
and Batum only has a good 3pt% because of the number of WIDE open looks he gets. I bet Wallace would average 35% as a Blazer, and that’s good enough.
lol,
i think im the only one hear that would prefer Dang over any of our percieved options
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
Deng would be the absolute best fit
but Paxon overvalues him massively. Also Hinrich would probably come along with Deng and i’d prefer not to pay 10 mil a year for a marginal upgrade over Blake when Bayless is coming on so strong.
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 17, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Carter may be on the downside of his carrer
but he looks like he still has a few good years left. Besides, in a couple years we would be able to trade VCEC for another all-star caliber player, right?
I think Deng would be a good option
It is a bit concerning that he has regressed the last couple years. However, most of the other young players on the Bulls have also regressed, so that could be more of an indictment of the coaching staff in Chicago than it is of the players. If that is the case, Deng (and also other players in Chicago like Heinrich) might show a significant increase in production if they came to Portland.
Yea
I agree with you about the regression being a little concerning. You’d have to really hope Deng continues to develop here, although he has shown signs of life recently in Chicago. He’s only 24 I think, maybe younger so there’s still time.
Did we ever got an update on Gerald Wallace and his lung?
I really don’t know how bad a collapsed lung is, but how long will he be out?
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Played last night
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
RLEC has to go
One great thing about the Chandler trade is that it sets the market value of expiring contracts as VERY high at this time. Chandler, a borderline-franchise center, went for about $10 million worth of expiring contracts. RLEC is worth $12 million plus it’s paid for by insurance. That’s worth about one and a half Tyson Chandlers right there. Add in a Sergio or a Travis or something and that’s a pretty sweet offer. I think KP is going to be able to extract a lot for us at the deadline.
I think Raef could still contribuite if Nate would just give him a chance
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Send him to Memphis.
They love to give our guys second chances.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 18, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know enough about these fellows we grabbed in your trade to know if it's good or bad for us
Me and KP are keeping Webster. I should have told you before hand. My bad. ; P
by Blazersaurus on Feb 18, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I like it
Salmons and Nocioni not coming to Portland :)
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
with salmon going to chicago,
does that mean deng is avaliable
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Feb 18, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Michael Ruffin to Blazers...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703
Looks like Michael Ruffin was pulled off the Chicago bus and was told he is going to Portland. What the heck is going on here?
if we're picking up Ruffin
frye and/or ike gotta be going somewhere, right? makes no sense otherwise
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
It means we are resigning Frye so that he won't mess with the cap space
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
Noooo!
Say it ain’t so Shav!!
by teenagemutantninjabayless on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA.. This was the guy!!
Michael Ruffin committed a costly error for his team in the dying seconds of a March 30, 2007 game against the Toronto Raptors. With his Washington Wizards up 109-106 with 3.8 seconds left, Ruffin intercepted a Raptors half-court inbounds pass only to heave the ball in the air to try to allow the remaining time left on the clock to run out, but the ball was not thrown high enough and the Raptors’ Morris Peterson caught the ball on its descent and made a 31-foot three-point shot with 0.2 seconds remaining to tie the score and send the game into overtime. The Raptors went on to defeat the Wizards, 123-118.
lol.
Michael Ruffin committed a costly error for his team in the dying seconds of a March 30, 2007 game against the Toronto Raptors. With his Washington Wizards up 109-106 with 3.8 seconds left, Ruffin intercepted a Raptors half-court inbounds pass only to heave the ball in the air to try to allow the remaining time left on the clock to run out, but the ball was not thrown high enough and the Raptors’ Morris Peterson caught the ball on its descent and made a 31-foot three-point shot with 0.2 seconds remaining to tie the score and send the game into overtime. The Raptors went on to defeat the Wizards, 123-118.
Ike Traded for Ruffin
Ruffin was traded to the Kings and they in turn are dealing him to Portland. Not sure of the significance of this…
So Portland actually traded with Sac, not with CHI.
Significance is htat Ruffin has no cap hold at the end of the season
Ike expires at the end o f the season (as doe s Ruffin) yet Ike is coming off the rookie salary and therefore eats up 3x his currnet salary as a hold on cap space until either resigned ot a new contract or team rights waived. That clear cap space for Portland this summer and maintains flexiblity. Channing Frye has the same cap implications as Ike did. Martell was already extended and his cap-hold is the new extension.
Therefore Blazers do gain cap-flexibility in this move by swapping bench players. GO KP!
We were gonna
renounce Ike’s rights anyway — we don’t really get any benefit in terms of salary cap flexibililty this summer. The trade exception we pick up is nice though.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 18, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Wow! That is a blockbuster!
actually a little bit of fine tuning I suppose to add a defensive presence in case the bigs get in foul trouble or to add a little bit of boards.
There's your veteran backup PF for LMA
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=741
And here’s hoping this is just the appetizer for KP’s “main course” deal to follow…
my wish list in order
Caron Butler
Gerald Wallace
Vince Carter
Loul Deng
Richard Jefferson
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
Think the wizards
would do a Ruffin for Caron deal?
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
This has to be a
filler for another deal, unless we were REALLY desperate for veteran leadership, in which case this guy cost the bulls a game by making an error….Not the greatest show of intelligence in the world.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
its about money, cap holds and cap flex
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
Chris Mihm Trade
Update time!
It’s the Memphis Commercial Appeal and doesn’t involve the Blazers (it’s with the Lakers), but it’s set in Portland. Kinda weird.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
It has to do with money, as trading Chris Mihm for virtually nothing saves on luxury tax payments.
If it was all about the flare-up at practice, then Didier Ilunga-Mbenga would’ve been released instead.
before the game tonight, Lionel Hollins was asked
“What does Mihm bring to the Grizzlies?”
“Nothing”
Yeah, Mbenga threw a nasty elbow. Mihm should have broken him in half...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Szczerbiak's not starting tonite..
should be traded very soon.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
He is playing in the game right now!
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Yeah..
so much for that, though.
I’m pretty sure he didn’t still didn’t start, however.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Ha!
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 18, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Who will be the first to use the acronym MREC?
Guess i answered my own question.
MREC
In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin uses the phrase "survival of the fittest" only twice. He uses the word "love," by contrast, over ninety times. Darwin never wrote about "selfish genes." For Darwin, the main force behind human evolution is survival of the most compassionate, not survival of the fittest. Human evolution is driven by moral sensitivity, or love.
by Love on Feb 18, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
mmm....rec for you!
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
new info
The Nets and Blazers have been discussing a Vince Carter trade, according an Eastern Conference official.
The proposed deal now is Carter, Maurice Ager and Chris Douglas-Roberts for Raef LaFrentz, Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez.
and
Though a deal is not imminent, the Cleveland Cavaliers have talked to the Milwaukee Bucks about acquiring forward Richard Jefferson, two league executives said Wednesday afternoon.
Cleveland is offering the expiring contract of Wally Szczerbiak for Jefferson, who has two years and $29.2 million left on his contract.
The Bucks have also been in talks with the Portland Trail Blazers about a package that would include Jefferson for the expiring contract of Raef Lafrentz and Travis Outlaw.
Both from RealGM via Yahoo sports, both deals sound good.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
But they could resign LBJ and go after another big-name guy, I think
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 18, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Boy those pieces in the NJ deal get switched all day, while our offer is pretty consistent
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Cool.
If that deal goes off…then I wanna see Nate using a lineup of Oden, Batum, CDR, Rudy, and Bayless.
FIVE ROOKIES on the floor at once!
Be a kinda small lineup, but it would be fun to watch.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Thinking a bit further...
This trade would give us more depth at the wings, obviously. Vince moves to 3. I can’t believe we’d keep both CDR and Ager; as we don’t need four shooting guards—neither Ager nor Douglas-Roberts have done anything to distinguish themselves.
We would lose strength at power forward—as Trout frequently plays there—and at PG; with only Bayless and Blake being legit 1s. This would make injuries a bigger concern.
There is no charge for awesomeness. Or attractiveness.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 18, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Chris Mihm lost the battle to Didier Ilunga-Mbenga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIruQmB22vk
My favorite part of that altercation is watching Adam Morrison nonchalantly stroll off the court near the end of it.
That's cold
You get in a fight and your punishment is banishment to Memphis?
That’s real cold.
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
How do you think this deal is initiated?
Do you think the GM of Memphis just calls up the GM for the Lakers and say something like " Hey, remember when we hooked you up with Pau and you said you’d kick us down something sweet deals later? Well, we could use some size…"
by Blindsteepler on Feb 18, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Gerald Wallace talks are back on!
"Brian (Outlaw is Rejector) is now on the fan saying he put this on to see what would happen " - 123_G.O._RipCity
by Outlaw is Rejector on Feb 18, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions
He's probably reading the roundup on espn
They mention it here. I wouldn’t do any deal that has us taking on Nazr, or giving up Batum, for Wallace.
by Blindsteepler on Feb 18, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Goodnight everyone
On East Coast time here … gotta be up to work tomorrow. But it’s kind of like how it used to be on Christmas Eve knowing that you’d wake up with cool presents the next day! Although in my case I’ll have to wait until noon instead of 7 am …
good night
Being a Blazer fan is fun!
by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 18, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I MOTION THIS THREAD IF CONTINUES TO BE ....UPDATED...(and we make our "potentially, epic,fail" trade)
be saved to the sidebar…in a new colum colmu?..co….lum?… forget it, but yeah, in it’s own catagory titled ….. “history” (as far as the site goes…amongst others of course)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
a 2013 draft pick??
anybody know how far in advance can you trade draft picks? Can portland trade all of their 2020’s 1st pick+ a 2059 2nd round pick +RLEC for Gerald Wallace?
bayless leaves over my dead body
3 years I think.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
How sad is this picture?
It’s the biggest blockbuster this side of Euroball!!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
There better be some action trade wise tomorrow
or else the league will have to call of all the games due to lack of balls.
Why?
by Idog1976 on Feb 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
hadn’t read that. Greg Oden/Kevin Durant draft? But I thought he thought that Oden was a loser? Oh that’s right that was only post Boston losing the draft. What a chump.
Why?
He wasn’t down on Oden before the draft, he just really loved Durant
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 19, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Chicago dominating the trade deadline by trading away their crap two years in a row
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Drew Gooden
is an astoundingly terrible player. Chicago made out like bandits.
Then I rose, wiping the blunts ash from my clothes
Then froze only to blow the herb smoke through my nose
He keeps a positive attitude
“I’ve been traded before and the way I look at it is it means somebody wants you,” [Drew] Gooden told the Tribune by phone. “Sacramento has been interested in me for a couple years, so maybe something can work out long-term there. If not, I’m an unrestricted free agent this summer, so I’m auditioning for other teams.”
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Getting Petrie to take Nocioni's contract off his hands
should get Paxson some exec of the year votes
Does anyone think Hinrich...
went off for 31 points tonight, maybe Chicago is showcasing him for a trade.
Also, Antonio Harvey said on the pregame show that Sacramento got the better end of the deal with Chicago. LOL
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
Spurs fan here. Just stopping off to see what a future contending franchise thinks about all the trade hoopla. Are you guys worried about Odens future? If I were Blazers GM I’d try and move Oden in a deal for Bosh before Oden gets the permanent injury prone tag.
Who are you guys eyeing the most before the trade deadline? Please don’t say Vince Carter, you guys are above that.
It doesn't matter if Oden "gets the injury-prone tag"
if we don’t plan to trade him, which I’m pretty sure we don’t. It matters if he is actually injury prone. We pretty much all have our fingers crossed on that.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
Almost all trade talk for Portland involves, in this order:
1. Getting more of a big-time player at small forward.
2. Getting more solid at point guard.
3. Maybe, conceivably but only if the deal is right trading Aldridge for a big star at power forward. (There are really only two names that would be worth upgrading to — Bosh and Stoudemire. This is a deal that doesn’t need to be made.)
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
Oh, and I forgot
Our main goal before the trade deadline was to get Michael Ruffin at power forward, which sort of opens up the championship window for us.
Sticking up for Travis Outlaw since 2008.
You’d be okay with trading Aldriidge for Bosh but not Oden?
by speedostuffer on Feb 18, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure how well Bosh and Aldridge would work together
They both play at power forward and their games are fairly similar, so they kind of take up the same space. That is why most of the proposed Bosh trades involve sending out Aldridge.
Would we send out Oden for a player like Bosh? I’m not sure. There seems to be a fairly big range in how valuable people estimate Oden to be. Some people are convinced that Oden will end up being the best center in the NBA, others are much less optimistic.
Very good point. You guys don’t think Pryzbilla (sp?) is a good enough to start on a championship team? Spurs fans love that guy, especially compared to the crap we put next to Duncan year in and year out. If Oden wasn’t so loveable I think much fewer would be on the optimistic side. It’s very easy to cheer for that guy.
by speedostuffer on Feb 19, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
You can have Przybilla
(the “z” comes first) easily. We can do a deal, no problem.
You love Joel, we love Tony. Call Pritchard and make the offer.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Greg Oden > Bill Russell
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
My knee-jerk response?
Is to catch NOLA in a moment of weakness and offer Oden, Sergio and RLEC for Chandler and CP3
you never know unless you ask, if they were desperate enought to dump Tyson for Wilcox/Smith, maybe they’ll bite
but then I think about practice fisticuffs between Joel Przybilla and Tyson Chandler and shake my head no
Chris Paul is one of the few untouchable players in the league.
by speedostuffer on Feb 18, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody except Kobe, Magic and MJ have been traded
If Paul Allen makes Schinn an offer he can’t refuse, CP3 could be had. There’s no doubt Pritchard has all the potential “resources” that would be necessary
You’re crazy. Stockton, Hakeem, Worthy and Bird are some others. You would have to give up Roy AND some others to get CP3. Even then NO wouldn’t do it. He’s their franchise and the fans would riot.
by speedostuffer on Feb 19, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown
That says it all. There are no “crazy” trade ideas, only GMs with limited imagination. Financial considerations trump talent when NBA owners start feeling the pinch. I say Pritchard could unite Roy and CP3. Yes, it would cost him Aldridge or Oden, but not both. And it would cost Fernandez, Bayless and the RLEC (while taking on a crapola contract like Peja)
but…it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Paul Gasol for Kwame Brown widened the playing field
They would do it
for Roy and Oden. That’s about it.
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
link?
I remember the trade, I didn’t remember it was because he wouldn’t play for the Hornets.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 19, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oden isn't going anywhere...
He’s played 40 plus games coming off microfracture… we’re patient enough to see what he can do over the next couple years.
I think most fans are willing to deal Lafrentz, and any combination of Sergio/Frye/Outlaw if it gets us a good SF age 30 or under…
I think Carter a little to old.
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
Butler/Wallace/Deng/Jefferson/maybe Carter
Most of the “rumors” have us dealing either Bayless/Rudy/Batum and I’d have to think we will keep the young guys
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
If CP3 were available...
I’d deal Rlec/Bayless/Rudy and take a crappy contract like Peja from them
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
I think it would take more than that
NO would probably ask for Roy, Aldridge, or Oden. Maybe even 2 of the 3.
Should we start unreccing this so that it's down by 10:00 AM HST?
"I determined early in my career, the only important statistic in basketball is the final score." Bill Russell
man why would anyone trade for Bobby Brown
dude hasn’t had a decent song in years!!!
Bob-bay!!!
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
it's their prerogative
You walked into that one, bro.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
this was a relatively uneventful trade dead line
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
no way!!
you must have missed the most recent trade..
2/19: The Boston Celtics have agreed to trade Patrick O’Bryant to Toronto for backup point guard Will Solomon
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
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