Emergency Trade Discussion
by Dave on Feb 16, 2009 8:19 PM PST
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PrintNo, we're not making an emergency trade. Nor do we need to. Rather, as occasionally happens, I have a day-job emergency ongoing that is going to prevent me from posting tonight. My apologies.
In lieu of the normal post, let's have it out once and for all regarding trades. We're a couple days away from the deadline so this will be your last big push to argue for your favorite move (or for no move at all) before we all have to just sit back and see what happens.
Here's the question: We can make ONE move. Pick your best one. There can be multiple teams and multiple players from each team involved in that move, but basically we're not looking for six different trades to reshape the roster. We want to know what guy you most want to acquire with that move, what you propose to give up to make it happen, how it would happen (straight up, multiple players, multiple teams?), and how likely you think your scenario is in real life. Give us a percentage on that last part. 10% likely? 90% likely? Why?
The guy you want needs to be somebody who is available, either by rumors, reports, or common sense. Please no LeBron moves. Just pick your favorite "If I Were KP" scenario and explain it. Vote on other people's too, but please refrain from attacking them or saying, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard." The point is discussion, even out of the box discussion.
BECAUSE THIS IS THE MAIN PAGE TOPIC TODAY THERE SHOULD BE NO SPECULATIVE TRADE PROPOSALS IN THE SIDEBAR. Of course if actual trade news breaks you can post it there, but I will erase any speculative trade posts I see today outside of the comment section of this post. Don't care who you are. Don't care how good or revolutionary or special your idea is. Post it here or not at all. Bforsythe's discussions on J.C. Butler in the Fanposts and Amare in the Fanshots are the last legal trade proposal posts for 24 hours.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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The opposite of last.
Trade Frye and Sergio for John Salmons, then us RLEC in the off-season for cap flexibility to make some draft day trades, which KP is an absolute assassin.
Just FYI
LaFrentz wouldn’t come off the cap until July 1st in that scenario, so the Blazers would still be well over the cap on draft day. But I agree with you that if the Blazers keep LaFrentz and get cap room this summer, they’d probably use it to make a ‘lopsided’ trade or two, rather than use the room for a FA signing.
I think we will know what trade the Blazers are making before the game Wednesday...
that is if we are assuming they are going to include a current player on the roster in the trade. Portland will not want to risk the player being traded to get injured. I would look for something to announced either Tuesday or Wednesday.
Right now, that would mean Oden
or Blake, or Martell.
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Oden is a no go
We need Blake unless we get a point upgrade. that means webhead or the point upgrade.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
RICHARD JEFFERSON & RID
Dump RLEC, Outlaw and segio/Frye for Jefferson and Rid. This gives us great 3 to compliment Roy and LA. His D will help us in the playoffs too. Rid gives a point who can run the offense and knock down the open shot.
We need to cash in on RLEC no matter what.
Steve Blake runs the offense and knocks down the open shot already.
Why would we want Two Blakes and Bayless? There wouldn’t be enough time to go around. We need a vet. 3rd string PG who doesn’t mind sitting but can jump in and perform when called upon.
by OneTrickPony on Feb 16, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
After reading all these things out there this is probably the only realistic trade.
At least the Jefferson deal. (Who knows about Ridnour.) Wiz don’t want to trade Butler. Reports out of Phoenix say that Amar’e is staying put after Porter was fired. Pistons are not going to give away Tayshaun Prince for salary relief. Hinrich and/or Deng talks looks to be dead from Chicago’s end. Andre Miller is also and Expiring Contract. Jefferson is better than Salmons. Everything else seems to be pure fantasy at this point.
I know we want that big, blockbuster trade that brings us an all-NBA player. But I think that, unless someone brings a new deal-we-can’t-refuse, we will either trade for Jefferson (however that might be) or let the RLEC expire.
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I should add that Sessions is highly unlikely to be packaged with Jefferson.
That would be like us trading Aldridge, while throwing Rudy in for filler.
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It's better than their alternative
Which is to just let him walk as a free agent and have their fanbase outraged. The Bucks are terrified of being over the cap and they can really only afford to keep Sessions if they can move Ridnour, who is injured, so that’s unlikely. Bucks’ fans are already talking about having to maybe sell their pick this year due to luxury tax implications. No way we pickup Jefferson w/o them including Sessions.
more of the same
with an unremarkable backcourt already (save for Roy) Ridenour s essentially a lateral move. don’t get me wrong, i like Sergio’s creativity, J-bay’s enthusiasm and even Blake’s streaky shooting, but Luke brings us no closer to having a commanding backcourt than Cap’n Crunch would make you a pirate. same holds for R.Jeff … guaranteed 17/10 but he isn’t gonna bring fire to the team, not the steely veteran presence that will coax our youngins’ to actually dig deep on a nightly basis. my guess is that all this talk with the Bucks is diversionary. KP knows ALL of this already and he’d be damned to trade away $12mil for just another couple of nice guys … 15% chance that either of these guys get moved to the Red n’ Black
patience my son ...
by luna on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
RJ is a decent player
I cant say i dislike the RJ trade. I would rather have Caron Butler but i wont go there. Rj gives us that 3rd scorer we need. He is a solid defender and not too old to not be relivant to our long term plans. I DO NOT want Bayless traded period. But Sergio, Trout(much as it pains me),Frye, Diogu, RLEC, all good to go for trades. I would literally through a party if KP pull could pull off a RLEC, Sergio, Frye for RJ trade but only in my dreams would that happen. The current rumor will do as a distant second in my heart. lol
by blazerbeliever97504 on Feb 16, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions
How about this trade...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwabwc
It doesn’t have to be one trade because the Kings and the 76ers aren’t even exchanging players but I think that it makes sense for all three teams. Portland gets a player in Salmons and we don’t have to give up much to get him and his contract is good for what his production is. Portland also gets the veteran point guard that could make us a contender. If this trade is possible KP needs to do it. I think that it is 60% that we get one of the two players and 30% that we get both.
Red Hot and Rolling
Too one sided for portland
Would never happen. If it did magically happen, add 2 more teams that would hate KP
So that's 32 teams now.
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Practical question:
I am attending the game on Friday versus the Hawks of Atlanta.
What are my odds (assuming a trade occurs) of seeing a new player in Red and Black come game time?
I heart taxes.
Slim, since ALL players in a deal would have to report to their new teams and pass physicals (unless a player is dealt injured anyway)
That usually takes more than a day
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
as a sort-of aside,
Does anyone know what are the occurrence of deals that go down on the days leading up to the deadline versus on the day of?
I heart taxes.
If memory serves
it seems like during the week before the trade deadline 98% of the deals get done on the last day. People always negotiate harder when they are against a hard deadline.
Actually
good negotiators know exactly what they’re willing to give up. They’re not exactly negotiating harder, but rather they’re giving ground to their lowest price they’re willing to pay. The trick in negotiating is knowing what the other persons lowest price is and then it’s a matter of chicken. Of course, sometimes people just weren’t willing to pay the price because the lowest price you’re willing to go isn’t low enough, and so you get a no deal.
I have a feeling that someone is going to be willing to deal with KP.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
im not a salmon fan
Dont like seafood thanks. in all seriousness Salmons is undersized for his position and not proven. RJ is a much better option
by blazerbeliever97504 on Feb 16, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions
inch for inch...
Salmons would be the best defender at SF on the Blazers roster. Batum is close, but lacks the offensive prowess at this time.
I heart taxes.
Blazers would be awash
in Salmonidae (assuming we don’t trade TROut). And if we keep Frye….oh never mind too many trade proposals, too much working and not enough sleep.
The RJ trade is OK I guess…Butler would be intriguing too…
A crazy idea if PHX totally AFU is get Nash. Reasonable contract, still logging q minutes and stats, can mentor Bayless. Don’t know how that would work with the CBA / trade proposal machine / fillers, etc…or the riot squad that would have to be called out in PHX if it actually happened…maybe Nash would want to come here. He has been complaining that he is logging way too many minutes lately.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Even if you aren't a fan of salmons...
How could you pass up a trade for him in exchange for Frye and Diogu?
Red Hot and Rolling
here is my dream trade (with some attempt at reality... but not much)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=czkp9o
chance it will happen: 1%
Why would the Blazers do it?: really need to ask? instant contenders.
Why would the Hornets do it?: They wouldn’t, BUT, if they did, they get two young highly touted Rookies, an upgrade at center and big time cap relief which they are looking for.
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
-1 for not reading the OP's rule about fantasy trade. CP3 is not on the block... at all.
That said, the new Trade Machine looks real nice.
I heart taxes.
oh c'mon
try and tell me the allstar game didn’t have you salivating at the idea of a Roy CP3 back court, just try, I will call you a liar. =)
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
I wont try.
It would be futile…
and the -1 was made tongue in cheek, just so you know.
I heart taxes.
oh dont get me wrong
i’m not his hugest fan, he is on the block though, and the main reason NO is looking to move someone, he is way overpaid for his production levels
The end is in the beginning and yet I go on....
-Beckett
i don't hate him because he is overpaid.
he is a classless idiot and a dirty player. Come on man, did you see the tussle he got into with Joel. Totally unprovoked, Tyson chandler hits joels broken wrist HARD. Joel continues to box out, but seconds later Chandler doesn’t like that and punches him in the chest. Classless.
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k honest pete I'm gonna call the letter after A. and the letter before T.
sure tyson hit joels hand, but lets not forget the part that was important…joel hit back!!…then tyson put his elbow in joels chest…
honesty honestpete…honesty :p
on the trade ideas… :0
I’ll take jefferson if I can’t have a lebron :(
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
joel did NOT "hit" back
he put his arm in the same position it was. He put his arm in Chandlers stomach no harder than any other contact drawn in the NBA. It was BS. And Tyson never put his elbow in joels chest… Watch the video if you can’t remember. He PUNCHED joel in the chest.
Know your knowledge brotha.
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Sorry man, faith's right
but that said, Joel had every right to throw the leetle elbow.
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"I told him he whined more than my 3 yo...He got mad" - Joel Pryz
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
Is that true?
If so….. that’s beautiful.
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it is true - - Oregonian interview
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
oops
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/01/quick_inside_the_blazershornet.html
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
I don't hate him...
but I am in Springfield, so my opinion is not relevant here; sorry.
I heart taxes.
You are not a Blazer fan
If you do not have immense, fiery hatred for that dirty SOB (and West for that matter). I always forget just how much I can’t stand the Hornets until I watch us play them.
Hollinger
Did you see Hollinger’s projected W/L changes? we’d be giving up 15 wins, I know it’s not exact, but that guy can see a lot about teams just by looking at stats. I’d love to have CP3 as much as the next guy, but I don’t like giving up all of our young talent.
I'd keep oden too
Apart from that, agreed. Anyone the hornets want. I’ll be sad to see some go, but CP3 is that good.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
While we're at it...why not do this=
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ahb222
We would fill the 1 and the 3 haha
Couldn't you fit LBJ in there?
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Tay Prince in a menage trois
Involving Phoenix sending Amare to Detroit and RLEC plus filler going to Phoenix.
Chance: 10%
Butler, Etan Thomas, Darius Songala for RLEC/Sergio/Outlaw/Frye
Chance: 25%
Otherwise I hope we stand pat and let the cake bake. No need to rush into a deal with RLEC, we are dealing from a huge position of strength because the majority of teams are looking to dump salary and that will not change this summer or next trade deadline.
This is the risk of falling TOO in love with one's own picks
Ask Paxson if he has a case of dried out cake mouth and see what he says.
Not saying that is going to happen with the Blazers. I’m on the fence with the trade / stand pat stances, without seeing the specifric deals being bantied about.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Paxson doesn't have PA's $ to spend
KP has lucked out in the sense he has cap space at a time when the luxury tax threshold will probably go down for the first time ever. This will cost teams many teams several million dollars if they can’t shave salary. I think if KP waits to make his move his cake has at least another year of shelf life.
Good points all.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I'd do Raef/1st for Jefferson and call it good.
Maybe a Blake/Webster as a follow up to even out the roster and get a more defensive minded PG
by cbdolphin on Feb 16, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Jason Kapono and Jose Calderon
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bdkzgu
Filler players to make salaries work, but each team gets something they need. Toronto certainly has shown an interest in cutting salary and rebuilding. Throw in a draft pick or two, I think they might go for this.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
now that's photoshoppin...
I like it now where do I sign?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
It's not, he really wore a Blazers warmup jersey for a while during the rookies - sophomore game
Must have grabbed Rudy’s
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
totally photoshopped
who would realistically wear that sports coat/shirt/tie/pocket square color combo?
by cornplant on Feb 17, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
3's the charm
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
http://www.myspace.com/y5k
on that kick...what would it take to get rose out of chicago and into the rose city?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
I am as big an Oden fan as there is...
but he would not fetch Rose, not by himself anyway.
I heart taxes.
jefferson needs to be in a uptempo system
Also he rely’s alot on athleticism so he will not age well. But I like his Finals experience and ability to play D when he puts his mind to it. Horrible contract though.
he will be 31 when his contract expires I believe
so his losing his athleticism won’t matter much IMO
The contract is not that horrible, he is overpaid compared to some other great small forwards on a yearly basis but silently goes away in 2011 (maybe in another expiring contract deal) which is a timeframe a GM can oversee and manage very well. Then either Nic or Martell could be ready to take over for good. E.g. Gerald Wallace who I also like a lot is under contract until 2013 for $9.5 million a pop, and has more injury concerns than Jefferson while really being a player who won’t age well.
RJ came into camp out of shape this year already, so what you are seeing now is about what he can do when not in top form. And that’s considerably better than what we have on offer right now.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 16, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
15 million in 2010-2011
That’s alot. I agree 31 isn’t over the hill but he has had some ankle issues. I think KP can do better. I would only trade for Jefferson if Sessions were included and we knew we could sign him to a reasonable contract this summer.
Jefferson would be a huge mistake
He doesn’t fit the culture (bad character – Minnesota incident), isn’t a very good defender, is aging poorly, requires a great passing point guard, and much better fit in an uptempo system. He’s really just not all that good (PER 14.3 – which is #32 among small forwards).
by as11osu on Feb 16, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
from what I understand
he’s had one bad incident. A fifth degree misdemeanor.
I don’t call that bad character. I call that a bad night. His entire career has screamed good character, and one drunk guy claims he choked him.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
That is my understanding also regarding RJ.
His parents were missionaries when he was growing up. I, at least, will give him “one bad night”. For sure.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Theres that one incident...
but mostly what I don’t like about him is his whiny angry attitude all the time, and his facial expressions. I just don’t know if I can continue watching games with his assortment of “why me” faces.
I remember watching him at a ducks game in Eugene...
there were fans that were yelling at him. At some point during an inbounds play he turned and shoved a ducks fan in his seat. The fan was wasted and probably did something not quite becoming, but still.
Agreed
No RJ, no RJ, no RJ…
He was good two years ago. Now, he’s not.
Wages of Wins ranks him (along with LMA) as one of the most overrated players in the game by conventional stats like PPG. Basically, all he’s good at now is taking shots.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
maybe this is really subtle hint
that he is going to become a free agent and sign with portland when he does. When can he become available?
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 16, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
woops
meant to go under the picture of rose
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 16, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Pot o' picks
For heaven’s sake, throw in our 1st round pick into any deal. We already have youth at every position. Dump the 2nd rounders as well, if possible.
Can’t think of a team that has less use for the #22 (or whatever) pick than Portland…
by Engineering Problem on Feb 16, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
But that's before Paul buys Phoenix and New Orleans first rounders...
…then trades them both alongside our own pick for the #8 overall pick, who turns out to be the best player in the whole draft.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
I've watched Hansborough play a lot
Seen him in person a few times and all I can say is that in addition to the facts that he travels incessantly and that his contacts fall out about every other half, he has a tendency to disappear in games. He struggles with the double team and really only thrives because college teams can’t afford to double him often with the weapons UNC has. I don’t see him thriving in the NBA where he is d-ed up by a superior athlete.
Like I said
Backup PF. All he has to do is rebound and get garbage buckets when LMA is tired.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 16, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
When are NBA scouts going to pick up on the fact that guys who dominate the boards in college dominate the boards in the pros?
Athleticism is overrated when it comes to rebounding.
Kevin Love wasn’t athletic enough to be an NBA power forward. Now, he has one of the top five rookie rebound rates in history (seriously – and the others are guys like Moses, Wilt, etc).
Milsap led the NCAAs in rebounding three straight years. But he, too, wasn’t athletic enough to do it in the league. How’s he doing now?
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Hansboro and Laettner have nothing in common...
They’re white guys who won NCAA player of the year awards.
That’s it.
Laettner was ALL finesse. Hansboro is ALL toughness, strength, and body positioning. Hansboro has a lot more in common with Milsap, Love, etc. than he does with Christian.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
except he sucks.. unlike love and milsap
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
No, they have more in common than that.
There tall players who had great college careers, but couldn’t really get it done in the pros. Of course, Hansborough has yet to play a minute of NBA ball, but I just don’t see his game translating well.
I think you're right
How come no one seems to want to throw our first round pick into any trade scenarios? Youth is the last thing we need, maybe we just all feel KP can always pull something amazing out come draft day? Actually come to think of this that is a good point… If I want any GM drafting someone it would be KP…
Throw it in by all means.
Really. I’m with ya
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
KP value's picks more than most GM's
Even late 1st round picks give you players on the cheap (look at Sergio/Rudy/Batum’s deals). I think KP would only include a 1st round pick if it was for a player that would put us over the top.
Come to think of it KP values everything more than most GM’s… Maybe that’s why he comes out on the better end of the deal… I can just picture this conversation
KP: I don’t know Danny I really, really like Telfair. I think he has HOF potential and don’t see anyone on your roster I’d trade him for.
DA: What about our lottery pick? There’s no franchise players in the draft this year and we really need a point guard.
Less that people aren't willing to throw it in
More that it’s not worth as much, especially with some of the names being mentioned in return. It’s not like we’re throwing around a lottery pick here (knock on wood).
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Here is the trade that will take
us deep into the playoffs this year and practically guarantee we are in the finals for years to come!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjaq27
Starting 5
Wallace
Aldridge
Oden
Roy
Felton
Who ya gonna leave to double now? :)
Bench
Bayless
Rudy
Pryz
Batum
Shavlik
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 16, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
And
You forget about Webster?
portlandmenonsports.blogspot.com
by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Feb 16, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
My feelings about
Webster are that he will be a fantastic F/G for us, and a key part of our winning championships, but I would really like to see him 100% on that foot, before I give him a spot. I just have a gut feeling that his foot is going to be an issue for some time.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 16, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I get ya but...
If you include Shavlik you have to incude Martell, right. I mean even hurt he will get more PT. LOL
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Feb 16, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
A trade I actually like
and may have a chance of flying. Of course the chance that anyone nails the trade that will happen is about 2% at the highest (and that trade DOESN’T involve Chris Paul), but you get my thumbs up.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Thanks
I just feel that it is a huge upgrade for us, and gives Charlotte more options come summer time.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 16, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I know Shav was something before the injury that shall not be spoken of...
due to the fact that it makes me cringe every time I hear about what happened. He needs playing time in competitive minutes before he’s ready to be playoff bound.
I feel the same way about the injury
everytime I really think about what happened, I cringe real bad, like seeing Theismann break his leg.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Trust me it was awful...some of the Sixers lost their cookies on the spot...
It happened in practice…he was trying to get in front of Iguodala…Thats why they were so happy to see him trot back onto the floor in the Sixer/Blazer game..he was told he wouldn’t ever play again…but it is 125% now…
But I told him no drawing charges in practice or I’ll break his other leg….he still does it though…
:-(
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
I'm just glad its not on film
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
ESPN reports
indicate that at least the Wallace part of this trade is being discussed…..
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
1% chance of happening
to Portland: Paul / West / Posey
to N.O.: RLEC / Aldridge / Outlaw / Fernandez / Rodriguez
Too many parts, plus it involves CP3 . . . .
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ce4c4u
put a body on 'em
hornets could sign
steve kerr as gm, then he could pull a kerr and be forced to trade his best player(paul) to make up for his mistakes. so 1%
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 16, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
If you think there is a 1% chance of that happening
I have a bridge I’m selling. It’s on the east coast, but a great investment opportunity. You should give me a call.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
Hey stranger things have happened
for instance, Kevin McHale still has a job, and Mike dunleavy continues to get hired.
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 16, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
but not in a 1 day period mid season right before the trade deadline
I’m not sure anything as strange as some team hiring a GM to pull off a bad trade one day before the deadline has ever happened in the NBA.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
ok so i forgot
that it was about the trade deadline. I was thinking the chance of getting paul in general, so my bad
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 16, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my reaction ...
… if LaMarcus is traded
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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by Y5k on Feb 16, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Nice
I think I would have the same reaction.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Feb 16, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
LOL! I love it! I don't dare behave like that due to high blood pressure. I would probably have a coronary.
But it is a no brainer that I don’t want LMA traded.
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by LaMarvelous on Feb 16, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Oden, Bayless, Travis, Two Firsts...
…For Chris Paul…. ;)
still wouldn't get done
Paul looks like he is going to be one of the best PG’s ever and is locked up into a long term contract.
There isn’t any plausible scenario that Portland could offer for Paul while keeping Roy.
Unless the leauge allowed Paul Allen purchase him for 1 billion dollars.
What if PA bought the Hornets
and Hired Isiaha (sp?) for a week to do what he does best, then sold the team?
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
sexually harass someone
how does that help?
by lurtsman on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
spice it up!
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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Actually...
What are the league rules on owning multiple teams?
by JordanLeDoux on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Trades
I doubt a trade is gong to happen. 60%
RJ trade. 25%
Minor trade that does nothing to help the team on the court this year 15%
I would put the RJ trade higher if it was more hush hush, deals you hear about hardley ever happen.
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by Derek @Portland Men on Sports on Feb 16, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions
Milwaukee: Tanks a lot
Jefferson, 40%
Milwaukee’s motive: save money, and since they have disintegrated due to injuries, dangle for lottery gold.
We know tanking is a time honored strategy for the Milwaukee Christmas Trees.
Milwaukee vs. Clippers: Tankapalooza II?
Trade involving PHX and POR:
I’d say this has a 5% chance of happening. The only way PHX would do this is if they admit defeat and realize that they’re not going to make the playoffs this year. Then they would get a promising point guard in exchange for an aging Nash, along with RLEC. We’d get a PG that plays average defense but that is a veteran and knows how to win. His experience gained by playing with The Big Cactus should mean that we would have a point guard that actually knows how to play with a big guy down low. We would lose Bayless, but you could substitute him with Sergio, and the trade would still work. This would leave whoever wasn’t traded (PGs) to become our starting point guard a few years down the road. Travis would be a good fit for the (after the coaching change) offensive minded Suns. Meanwhile, we would get an all-around good player to fill our starting SF role. The reason I don’t think this will likely happen is because PHX seems to be determined on making the playoffs this year, and they believe that their current players can get them there.
Ack!
Make it work without giving up Bayless. assume PHX is desperate to shed salary and will do anything.
This is fantasy after all…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
My fantasy does work without giving up Bayless:
“We would lose Bayless, but you could substitute him with Sergio, and the trade would still work.”
It’s just I don’t think PHX, even in a fantasy, values Serg that much.
old guys for young guys?
so you would trade 20-year old Bayless and Outlaw for mid 30’s nash and mid 30’s Hill? usually not the formula for success in the NBA
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 16, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
I would trade Sergio and Trout for Nash.
. Hill I could live without.
Nash’s contract expires after next season, and next year is not even guaranteed.
You bet. I think he’s got three good years left in him, and by then could certainly find at least a Sergio (The Finnish kid maybe ready). No offense to Trout. I’m in no way Trout hater. If could get it done without giving up Mr. 4th quarter I’d do that too.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Closer to his B.C.'n native land also...
Ya think Nate would loosen up a little bit and let Nash run the show???
Ah the mind reels……
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Sorry! Missed that in the narrative.
Works for me.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Even with a trade
Do we make it further into the playoffs? If we get Prince, do we make it to the 2nd round? Which (likely) scenario helps the Blazers come playoff time?
Personally, I don’t see a single plausible trade scenario that significantly boosts our chances at winning a playoff series. Everyone also seems to be under the impression that Paul Allen has so much money he doesn’t care how much he is spending on the team, which is downright silly. Paul Allen is more apt to spend than many other owners, but we are still talking about millions of dollars and the team isn’t going to move RLEC for minor improvement. Is Jefferson worth it? Is Salmons?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Feb 16, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
really?
you don’t think Jefferson would help us in the playoffs…i do
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 16, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think adding him wins us a series
I think we lose in the first round with or without him. I don’t see that as a big enough upgrade partly because we’d have to adjust our offense to accommodate him. I see that being a problem for such a young team. Our guys seem to get lost in a system they’ve been using for months.
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
he doesn't have to WIN us a series
our team will be fine in the playoffs. Our getting out of the first round will largely depend on where we finish in the west, but there are teams we can beat especially if we finish 4 and have home court….RJ would help us on defense and MORE IMPORTANTLY would take some pressure of Brandon down the stretch of the season
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 16, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
They said that about the '77 team
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
we're 4th in the west! i think we have enough talent and experience
im not saying we’re gonna take it all, but we could definitely win 1 series
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 16, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I say we play Houston
they aren’t allowed to win a playoff series. That’s a new rule, right?
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
It's been rumored that the rule change was discussed during ASGW,
and is a virtual lock for approval. Weeeeeeee
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Don't forget
KP doesn’t seem to overpay for players. Troutlaw, Webster and Blake were all signed to reasonable contracts with team options in the final year. I don’t think KP wants to add a player who doesn’t perform at a level worthy of his contract.
by tylerdurden on Feb 16, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
winning a series would be nice but...
Our goal this year is to make the playoffs, period… Everything else is icing. We are still in danger of missing the playoffs. We’ve been in a mini slump and if we keep playing like we are right now Portland could be team #9. Any trade we make will have building to a championship run in 2-3 years. So the question about Jefferson is not: Will he take us to the second round? It’s: will he get us to the championships in 2-3 years?
by boppitywop on Feb 17, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My first post will reign supreme
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaylld
it works fine and Orlando will love the Thrilla
he can dunk better than DWight anyways
by TyROYasaurus REX on Feb 16, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions
yeeeeahhhh.....riiiiighhhhtttt...
keep dreamin bub!
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
How on earth does that trade work?
Joel and Howard’s salaries don’t match up at all
And trading Oden for Durant is blasphemy. How dare you sir.
Serious-ish Question
What happens if we trade for Miles?
That is, we’re already paying his contract and it’s on the books, but would he get essentially TWO contracts, both counting luxury tax-wise? That doesn’t sound right.
If he just gets the original contract, might as well make him earn it and get something out of it, no?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I thought PTB tried to pick him up on waivers before he signed the last 10 day contract.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
And the league front office shot it down
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
That was..
to prevent him from playing games and thus getting back on the books.
He’s back on the books now, so why couldn’t we trade for him like any other player?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Anyone..
with a legitimate answer? Norsktroll?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Well..
then it opens a whole host of other questions. Like, could he then be traded?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I'm pretty certain AK is right, even if the league office would let it pass we would just trade for his new contract
I assume the idea would be to “reacquire” his old contract that would have expired in 2010. That won’t go. The Blazers would have needed to keep him on the roster with pay (training with the team or sent home). Essentially I think his old contract is treated like a bought out player, think Steve Francis or Antoine Walker. If you sign those guys, you don’t get their old contract on your books either.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Here's your answer:
You can’t trade a player that you sign as a free agent for 3 months or until December 15th of that season – whichever is later. In Miles’ case, it’s 3 months. The soonest he could be traded would be April 10th, which is after the trade deadline. So Miles cannot be traded – not to Portland, not anywhere.
Thanks!
Any idea on the double-salary thing?
It seems lame that not only can we not play Miles when he’s on our books, but we can’t even trade his contract – with RLEC being so valuable, it’d be nice to at least to offer DMEC next year.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
Yes, his new minimum salary contract
would count against the cap in addition to his previous contract. That’s because the Blazers cut his guaranteed contract back last Spring.
As for Portland trading him away – you don’t trade contracts, you trade players. Knowing that is what helps me to understand the situation. When the Blazers cut him, they relieved themselves of all rights. Kind of like if an employer fired you then wanted to be able to call you in at 3 AM to cover an emergency situation – you can’t have it both ways.
TRADE FOR SALMONS AND BASS
The Blazers should trade for Salmons and Bass. Then we’d have Trout, Salmon, and Bass!
by B.ROY'S BALLERS on Feb 16, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Frye!
You know works a couple of ways…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Ugh. Watching maggette flop 4 times a year is enough
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
by GustyJ on Feb 16, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but it would be okay
cause we could make a fish flopping joke
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Feb 16, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Love it. Will never happen, but with this trade plus Trout, KP could start talking about a fish hatchery instead of a cake
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=daywg4
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Too bad this one didn't work without giving up Frye
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry_(fish)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spawn_(biology)#Fry
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Nice blue collar flavor
vs. Norse god motiff….yep!….except no way in H can give up Oden….we have to have the whole Durant vs. Oden draft thingy for the next 15 years
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Yep
A nice collection of the food providing vocations.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
And for some tasty ingredients
We’d have to get Morris Almond, DJ Strawberry, and OJ Mayo.
Here you go
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6x2af
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
I'd be surprised if that western team would trade Fisher for Martell straight up
And -1 for any trade involving one of our boys in that hideous jersey
the bench team
Frye-Fisher-Trout-Salmon-Bass
well done ... Fozzy Bear
Rudyculize: The act of Rudy making others look slow, dim and generally oafish.
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ONE TRADE: Works on the Trade Machine, involves players said to be on the block, one-sided salary dump by a team out of the money and losing big bucks this year...
FROM SACRAMENTO: Miller and Salmons.
FROM PORTLAND: Channing “gonna get cut anyway” Frye + RLEC + 1st round draft pick + new cars for the Maloofs for being swell and giving away Salmons for free.
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Do you think we need more youth? We've already got 15 guys if you count the Euros. And we have 3 count them 3 second round picks already, before KP works his magic...
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I want lots of second rounders
to draft a bunch of Euros with. That way, there isn’t the restrictive first round salary structure, and KP has some bullets in his gun.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely. That's why you wiggle the first rounder at Sactoe -- that one is LESS valuable to KP than the 3 second rounders...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
He's gonna stockpile Euros, just you watch. The trout pond is already stocked with fingerlings...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
With 2nd round picks, if you eventually hit on one
you only have their rights for a year or two. Its also monumentally more difficult to hit on Euro’s in the 2nd round. It’s hard enough to land the good Euro’s in the first round. PLUS… I don’t want a first round Euro this year. Too many solid players in college basketball, which is abnormally good. I could name the 15-20 guys I really like… but that effort might be wasted…
or would it?
Here's my list
1. DeJuan Blair
2. Euros.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
He sure looked good against UConn last night.
Calhoun was sputtering in the postgame press conference. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
I liked how he failed in trying to say in the NBA
you can do those things. Guess what Jim… he was doing it to you in college last night. Maybe you should’ve done something about it.
Did you see him tonight?
He obliterated Thabeet. Not saying Thabeet will be a big time pro, but people were touting him as a top 5/Mutombo type player. Blair made him his kid, it was awesome to watch. Manchild – unfortunately (as a Blazer fan) he’s played himself into at least the top 10, but he will be one of the top 5 pros from this class (I like him, Harden, and Blake Griffin the best, but there’s some good depth behind them)
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
DeJuan Blair has done that to EVERYONE
all year long. He’s averaging darn close to a rebound every other minute. He’s otherworldly on the glass. He’s also got a real nice offensive post game, but mostly he scores off of offensive rebounds. Charles Barkley is an apt comparison IMO.
He's a beast
Given KP’s history, I’m sure we could land him if we really want to. He’d be a terrific backup forward.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
We need to stop talking about him
because it’s going to make me cringe even more when somebody else gets him on draft day. I don’t know if I’d go with the Barkley comparison just yet, but I mostly remember Chuck from his more perimeter/Phoenix run than the round mound of rebound days in Philly. If we get Blair, I’m throwing a party
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
If Blair gets drafted
I’m going to be making up a draft that celebrates his rebounds. And everytime I’m at a game and he gets a board, I’m going to break it out. By the end of games, its possible that I won’t have energy left… and it’ll totally be worth it.
I, too, love DeJaun Blair, but he's nowhere near Charles Barkely ...
on offense. Blair is akin to a wide-bodied version of Buck Williams.
Blair gets 24 points per 40
on 60% shooting. He has a nice post game, and is as good at put backs as there has been in a long time. His offense comes in different ways, but I’d argue better ways considering what he’d be playing on this team with.
His arsenal
was on full display tonight, because Thabeet is probably the most imposing defensive force in college basketball. Blair took it right to him, got great position, used his body, got Thabeet off balance, cut his length, etc. I love watching him play ball. That said, Blair’s emergence might push down my 2nd favorite PF in this class for Blazer purposes, Patrick Patterson. If I don’t get filet mignon, I’ll take a nice steak as a substitute :)
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is that the whole nation is onto him
The coach of Blake Griffin recently named him as the second best big man after his own one in the draft class on PTI. At the moment DraftExpress has him going 19, but he could easily be gone in the lottery.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
just you wait. he is gonna be the westbrook-esque rising star in this years draft. I think there is no way he gets picked lower than 10th.
by dario argento on Feb 17, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
Time to work on moving up in this years draft....
Raef + Travis + Frye + Sergio + our first rounder
Brad Miller + Kenny Thomas + Beno Udrih (buy out) + their first rounder
(all horrible contracts + lottery pick)
Sac-town really could be changed to any team with money troubles + horrible contracts + a lottery pick this year.
It may seem like hyperbole, but the Duke version of Elton ...
Brand is a name that comes to mind when watching DeJuan Blair. That’s a funny thing, too, because Blair reminds me of Brand — especially on the glass and defensively — while the apparent consensus for the best player in college basketball, Blake Griffin, reminds me of another Dukie in Carlos Boozer.
Elton is a nice comparison as well...
I actually think he’s a little more polished than Blair as well on the offensive end. But the way they play defense and board are very similar. Blair is also among the smarter players I’ve ever seen rebound the ball, not only when he gets boards, but he’s Duncan-like in how often he tips balls to his teammates so they can secure rebounds. I’d guess Pitt’s rebound percentage is something absolutely ridiculous when he’s on the court (60 Percent?)
A bit off topic
but Pitt is one of my favorite teams to watch in CBB this year, lots of it to do with Blair, but they all compete hard, I love their intensity. Plus, as a current big boned PG (in my own mind of course) LeVance Fields is my boy
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
He's pretty up and down...
definitely not a career in the NBA. That’s okay though. There are 5-10 point guards I’m pretty excited about.
DeJuan Blair's rebounding prowess is where the ...
Paul Millsap comparison comes into play, since he leads the NBA with a +4.8% on-court/off-court team total rebounding differential.
The Utah Jazz secure 52.6% of the available boards when Millsap is on the court, but nab just 47.9% of the available boards when he’s riding the pine.
Blair gets 6 offensive rebounds in 25 minutes of action....
watching him do the dirty work is a pleasure.
Wrong?
We can’t really make definitive judgments about KP’s drafting, yet. He’s been drafting for a few years now.
3 second rounders > 1 late first rounder
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
That's not how it works.
http://82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm
There’s a pretty big difference between where we’d pick in the first, and where our 2nd round picks will be. Also, if you hit on a first rounder (think of Rudy and Batum’s value) its a gigantic asset (because they’re signed on the cheap for 5 years).
If we picked a Euro in the first round
we won’t really have room on the team. He would probably stay in Europe. What happens if he then gets really, really good? Will he come over for four years of million dollar salary?
That’s a risk.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
KP can actually work magic with mid-late 1st rounders
Sergio, Rudy, Batum
He hasn’t proven anything with 2nd rounders. They also don’t lock in at a low price for 5 years like mid-late 1st rounders do
Do we really want a Tiago Splitter situation?
Getting Rudy was extremely fortunate. Not many players will come over for so much less money.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Get what ya pay for
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
nope
a first round pick costs three million Paul Allen dollars. So, essentially, giving a first round pick doesn’t kill us.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
It's not like it's gonna be the magic ping pong ball either...
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All right, here's my final proposal before the trade deadline.
1. The Chicago Bulls release Cedric Simmons and Michael Ruffin.
2. The MInnesota Timberwolves release Calvin Booth.
3. The Chicago Bulls, the Indiana Pacers, the Minnesota Timberwolves, and the Portland Trail Blazers make the following four-team trade.
FROM CHICAGO
PG Kirk Hinrich ($10,000,000)
PF Drew Gorden ($7,151,183)
PF Mario Austin (Draft Rights)
FROM INDIANA
PF Jeff Foster ($5,500,000)
PF Erazem Lorbek (Draft Rights)
FROM MINNESOTA
SF Mike Miller ($9,128,575)
FROM PORTLAND
PF Raef LaFrentz ($12,722,500)
PF Travis Outlaw ($4,000,000)
PF Channing Frye ($3,163,769)
PF Ike Diogu ($2,912,823)
PG Sergio Rodriguez ($874,000)
PF Shavlik Randolph ($797,581)
TO CHICAGO
PF Raef LaFrentz ($12,722,500)
PF Ike Diogu ($2,912,823)
PG Sergio Rodriguez ($874,000)
PF Shavlik Randolph ($797,581)
TO INDIANA
PF Travis Outlaw ($4,000,000)
PF Mario Austin (Draft Rights)
TO MINNESOTA
PF Drew Gorden ($7,151,183)
PF Channing Frye ($3,163,769)
PF Erazem Lorbek (Draft Rights)
TO PORTLAND
PG Kirk Hinrich ($10,000,000)
SF Mike Miller ($9,128,575)
PF Jeff Foster ($5,500,000)
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5016643
4. The Portland Trail Blazers sign Dwayne Jones, Richard Hendrix, and Luke Jackson to a ten-day contracts.
FIRST QUARTER & THIRD QUARTER
Six Minutes
C: Greg Oden
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
SF: Nicolas Batum
SG: Brandon Roy
PG: Kirk Hinrich
Two Minutes
C: Joel Przybilla
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
SF: Mike Miller
SG: Brandon Roy
PG: Steve Blake
Four Minutes
C: Joel Przybilla
PF: Jeff Foster
SF: Mike Miller
SG: Rudy Fernandez
PG: Steve Blake
SECOND QUARTER & FOURTH QUARTER
Four Minutes
C: Joel Przybilla
PF: Jeff Foster
SF: Nicolas Batum
SG: Rudy Fernandez
PG: Steve Blake
Eight Minutes
C: Greg Oden
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
SF: Mike Miller
SG: Brandon Roy
PG: Kirk Hinrich
Well, uh, that’s that.
You don't score points with this lineup
Four Minutes
C: Joel Przybilla
PF: Jeff Foster
SF: Nicolas Batum
SG: Rudy Fernandez
PG: Steve Blake
Even more so there, though. Yet, now that I take a second glance at that lineup, it'd be ...
smart to let Jerryd Bayless run with that group in lieu of Nicolas Batum for scoring purposes.
Nicolas Batum would still get his 12 minutes per game, while the Jerryd Bayless ...
fanatics would be appeased with him getting at least some regular playing time in the rotation this season. I’d be a mighty wary of Rudy Fernandez, Jerryd Bayless, and Steve Blake’s perimeter defense alongside one another, although they’d be playing against fellow backups from the opposing team and, moreover, could rely on Joel Przybilla and Jeff Foster’s stout defense in the interior to mask their shortcomings.
You, however, could instead swap Jerryd Bayless in for Nicolas Batum, with him being the focal ...
point on offense through isolation plays, dribble-drive kickouts to Rudy Fernandez and Steve Blake, et cetera.
Bayless
sits alone at the end of the bench?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
I'm not the biggest fan of Jerryd's skillset, either
but on a team where there is a lack of intensity, his approach to the game lights a fire in his team. We need guys who bring intensity and focus.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
You don't need to tell me that, for I'd be the last guy to join the Jerryd Bayless ...
bandwagon. I, however, am not entirely sold on Sergio Rodriguez, either, since his shooting percentages could stand to improve drastically. Of course, I totally admire how Rodriguez is capable of smoothly running the offense next to Rudy Fernandez on the team’s second unit backcourt. Yet, it appears that the “Spanish Connection” will probably be dismantled going forward — or so it seems according to previous reports — but who knows what’ll end up going down during the next few years.
Mike Miller would be MUCH better for this team than Trout
His defense is even good. Also, on this team, playing the way we’d want him to, he could shoot 45% from 3.
I know it's boring, but I'm leaning towards standing pat.
I’ve been reading a lot of columns talking about the economy’s effect on the luxury tax this summer. I’m thinking we’re dealing from a position of strength now with RLEC, but teams finding themselves suddenly over the cap will be even more desperate then.
Might be worthwhile to do one of these littler deals, but I think I might want to keep our major assets for the summer.
by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions
we don't get to trade RLEC in the Summer
Isn’t that the basis for all of the Portland trade talk?
RLEC is bu-byed after this season. Use it this week or pocket the loot and lose it...
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
unless
the plan was to get a top shelf point guard through trade or free agency. We could then choose to terminate Blake’s contract, leaving us somewhere around 12 million dollars under the cap. Then, we could trade a low salary prospect for a star.
Not optimal, but it can be done.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Right, once RLEC expires
then we end up with cap space we can use in an asymmetric trade, like the Camby trade this past year, or the Jason Richardson (GSW to CHA) trade. Send a small contract for a big one, and a team magically finds itself under the luxury tax line.
It’s never been insignificant, but I think this summer, that pressure to get under the luxury tax asap will be pretty enormous, maybe even more so than teams trying to get expiring contracts now.
by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and I *definitely* would rather stand pat
then go after RJeff or Salmons. Both are super overrated. If we have to do any of our rumored trades, I’d prefer Hinrich. He’s overrated too but not as much as RJeff and Salmons.
Basically though, I don’t think we should make a trade unless it brings back an A player. Fiddling with role players is what you do when you’ve got the main pieces solved. I don’t think we do.
by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Both of those guys don’t put us over the top, we give up young talent to land them, and by the time the window opens, they’ll be guys in their mid 30s who used to rely on their athleticism.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
but if salmons only cost us frye
how could we lose?
although we’d have to make another deal to make some room somewhere.
they view him as an untouchable, a part of their foundation
from what I’ve read over at StR. It would appear that a trade to get him would cost a lot, as well as only provide a backup for LaMarcus.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Deja Vu?
Five years ago, on February 10, 2004, Rasheed Wallace and Wesley Person were among several Blazers attending Monday Night Raw at the Rose Garden when they were informed that they had been traded to Atlanta for Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Theo Ratliff, and Dan Dickau. That remains the biggest in-season trade the Blazers have made in the last ten years (with the obvious exception of Taurean Green for Baron Von Wafer).
The point here is that tomorrow night, the RG hosts a taping of Smackdown, once again right before the trade deadline. With the team all back in town for the Wednesday night home game against Memphis, could we see history repeat itself?
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
My last offer..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bctzpd
I don't normally do this, but I felt compelled to tell you something. You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it
This is one of the few trades I like.
And I love Frye. But this is a good trade for all four teams. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
NO HINRICH
I do not need another Steve Blake clone. Yes, Hinrich plays marginally better defense but Blake can shooter better and knows our offense.
For $10 million a year? NO THANKS.
Hinrich's defense is more than marginally better
Also, his three point average would increase upon entering our offense. He’s playing on a team where Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah are the inside threats.
Is he the ideal player? No. But he’s not a Steve Blake clone.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
ROFL
Yeah, uh oh. Seriously man, you do actually think Hinrich is a defense stopper? ROFL. Wade gets off on him just like any other guard. Sure, he plays above defense for a white guy, but that’s not saying much.
You are right, Hinrich is NOT a Blake clone because Blake is better. He is better shooting the three and he is better running a team. Blake turns over the ball the less. Blake is a better a clutch shooter. Blake is a better free throw shooter. And one last thing, Blake is much cheaper.
Best Deal IMO
Would be to send RLEC, Sergio and another piece to the Bobcats for Crash and matbe Felton. Wallace is the kind of player this team desperately needs i.e. plays defense and is a banger.
I like Wallace too
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I like it in theory.
I don’t doubt that this trade would help the team. But, I think it is highly highly unlikely we are getting their best starter for one of our rotation players and cap room. Unfortunately we need to trade some real talent to get someone like Crash.
Their GM is Michael Jordan ergo anything is possible
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
I wouldn't mind just felton
seems like a sergio/frye deal might be able to get it done. i wouldn’t want to part with more than that tough.
ESPN's Chad Ford: Blazers "have their choice of [Gerald] Wallace, Richard Jefferson or Caron Butler if they're willing to send a few young players and LaFrentz's contract"
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeOptions-090217
Then he goes on to suggest a pretty bad trade: Sergio, Batum, Raef for Wallace and Sean May
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7br2z
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
Back to Butler!
It ain’t over "til it’s ovah bay-beeeee
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
If we got Wallace or Butler
That would be incredible.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Two more days to dream up a way on this thing
and convince KP to get it doe as he lurks BE in the wee hours
OK I can get into this trade stuff for a couple of days without my eyes glazing over.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Hm
Which would we rather have between the three: Butler, Wallace, or Jefferson? Hard to say. I would pick the one with the shortest contract. Caron Butler is probably the most rounded of the three.
I think THIS shows the problem...
Small forwards of this variety are a dime a dozen. You don’t, won’t can’t shan’t trade for them at market value. Its unnecessary. If we’re talking about the PERFECT fit type guys, Tayshaun Prince or Shane Battier, that’s a different story, but these guys aren’t worth overpaying for.
i don't think any of these guys are 'overpaid'
they’re expensive, but they produce. butler’s contract seems reasonable to me.
Not overpaid....
Butler is pretty nice for his contract. I’m just not sure you overpay (in trade assets) to acquire a small forward with a pretty typical small forwards game.
who knows too
offensively, whoever it is might just stand in the corner and shoot 3’s anyway,
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
If Portland is bringing in Crash, Butler or RJ...
The offense will have to be changed. Currently our SF’s camp in the corner because they are limited offensively. None of them have above average handles and all can shoot from range.
If you bring in any of these guys, the ball will run through the SF position a lot. All three are or were boarder line all-stars.
by Salem Stephen on Feb 17, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Their career stats are pretty similar
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=NHu1o
If I knew he could stay healthy, I would go with Wallace for his age, tempo, defense and ability to play 3/4. Butler isn’t the best shooter of the trio, but very versatile and has a really nice contract. Jefferson might be the guy we would have to give up the least for. Really hard to say.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
May is useless, we don't get any point guard for Sergio back, and I would hate to give up Nic instead of Webster or Travis
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
May is expiring
Wallace makes Nic expendable. Martell is locked up for cheap.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
not as cheap as Batum
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
Listen
We do not need another point guard back. If Sergio is gone, then Bayless steps in. In a pinch and 4th quarter, Roy becomes the default point guard.
Caron can handle the ball well also
I kinda see him a lot like Roy, about 6’6 225 do-it-all SG/SF’s albeit not as good overall.
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
agree with s4e
Looks pretty good to me. not sure why we want a pg back – we need to thin out to two guys who deserve minutes. Martell’s not tradeable while injured, and pretty sure Outlaw has a lot more value than Nic. And I like Nic but his ceiling isn’t close to Crash.
My only issue is crash’s crazy injuries. Love him, when he’s doing his thing, he’s my favorite non-blazer around. But he’s gonna kill himself on the court one of these days.
by howlingfantods on Feb 17, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
I agree about Wallace and that Travis has more trade value, and thus I think the Bobcats would ask for him
I would be happy with that. Martell is tradeable if the acquiring team agrees, otherwise Raef also wouldn’t be.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
technically yes,
but teams usually don’t trade for an injured player. Injured player’s contract, yes, but there’s no reason to be trading for Martell’s contract; his value is as a player not as a contract. His injury’s also a little fishy. I don’t think any team would feel comfortable evaluating his value at the moment.
by howlingfantods on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
if we got wallace and traded Webster
we would be doing a 2x negative, trading an injured player for another injured player so it evens out
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
I saw that too, Norsktroll
and thought it was interesting that Ford would include Butler’s name.
My dream trade would send LaFrentz and Outlaw to Phoenix, Amare and Webster go to Washington with Butler coming to Portland – adding filler as needed. Something like:
In a second
Memphis would be crazy, but I love it
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Memphis has decided Conley is their guy. That trade is a year late.
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
Boy, Dave must be tired of Trade Posts.
Philly gets more modest contracts that I believe are better value. Jackson at SG would allow them to give Thad all the SF minutes. Iggy is a SF, no matter what people try to say. A high draft pick is frosting.
G. St. gets Stoudamire. They give up a PF who will have zero minutes once Stoudamire gets there. Magette went there to be a starter.
Portland gets Iggy and a tough PF.
Phoenix gets cap relief and 3 very good young prospects.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dg37zj
The basics:
Iggy and Evans to Portland.
G.St. gets Stoudamire.
Phoenix gets Brandon Wright, Outlaw, Sergio and RLEC.
Philly gets SG Jackson, SF Azibuike from G.St. and get Diogu as the short-term PF, plus Golden State’s #1 pick.
Chance of happening? If anyone says their trade is anywhere near 30% they are on something. Nobody gets trades right. I think this is pretty fair, but I have no idea about what is going on behind those glass doors. I don’t think that Philly is motivated to trade at this time, but one could hope. Chance of this happening. I’ll give it a very generous less than 1%.
okay okay okay
4 team deal. GO!
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=byzqmu
it’s essentially taking two trades that at one point may have been likely and tying them together in a nice little package.
i think we stand pat.
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
Are the Bucks that desperate to save money?
I think that works for the other 3 teams.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
you've got to click 'save this trade'
then copy+paste the link that THAT provides.
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
glad i could help!
but wait – the suns give up one player and get three, the bobcats give up one player and get four, and portland dumps five for two? AND they’re the best two in the whole scenario? AND sergio, an expiring contract and an injured, unproven lump of potential is all phoenix gets for their heart and soul?
i really should be finishing up my homework. i have class in 6.5 hours.
i'm ready to graduate now.
kthx.
yeah saw that.
i’m just more into the idea of Nash n Crash both wearing Blazer uniforms if at all possible…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
KP is an a$$
he is sitting there with all these great offers, some of which have probably been thrown out here in this forum and/or in others and he is waiting until the last possible minute to see if another deal comes up.
I think I am going to take my bear pills and hibernate for the next 2 days as we will not know which deal KP has chosen until the last possible minute. He will wait until 2-19 at 11:59.59 PST and with the league on the phone, say
“Whats happenin Davey? We are going to be trading Raef and ______ to the ________ basketball team for ________, oh and by the way my ring size is 7 husky JFYI, thanks Dave and GM ______ of the _”
I just want to order my Portland Trail Blazers Prince/Battier/Wallace/Butler/Jefferson/LeBron jersey and get it soon.
A$$ (in the best way possible, I am just impatient and greedy.)
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
YO KP!
I know you’re probably up late reading this BE post, trying desperately to get ideas of who bring to Portland with RLEC and some of our young promising assets. Here is a hint of what I think you should do…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b55f53
I guess it may seem a little unlikely because the blazers come away with a sweet deal, but WE are the ones with the sweet expiring contract and good young players…
Phoenix is rebuilding obviously. They get two awesome young players in Bayless and Martell and open cap room with RLEC to sign or (resign) a free agent in the upcoming season.
Houston needs to refresh what they have. They have major chemistry and injury problems and need help desperately. Batum would provide the D and youth they need, Barnes could spread the floor and hit open 3’s and Lopez could develop into a great back up for injury prone Yao.
Blazers obviously get tons of experience, veteran leadership, and quality characters that fit the Portland mold.
Nash makes any 3 that's upper tier look better than they probably are now...
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I think we need to hold onto Rex under almost any circumstance
It would be ideal to try to find a way to get Nash with giving up Bayless. Steve has only a few good years left during which he could help mentor Jerryd and speed up his emergence as our future starting PG.
Yet another "let's trade all our young'ins for two guys well into their 30s" post.
Nash and Batier will be toast by the time Oden, LMA., and Roy are hitting their prime. With this trade, you better hope we win it all now, because we will have big holes to fill in a couple of years. Don’t sacrifice the long range future for an uncertain short term gain.
by upper left corner on Feb 17, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
This trade is completely awesome.
I’m huge on Webster
I like Batum
I’m unsure about Bayless
But come on. This trade makes us a title contender this year. Nash is Steve Blake on crack. His defense is bad, but won’t hurt us too much and his offense will give us the most efficient offense in the NBA by far. Batty also helps are defense by leaps and bounds, so it’d improve too.
We still have semi young talent in Blake and young talent in Sergio.
Batty isn’t exactly old either.
The one issue with this trade would be that Sergio/Blake would probably have to go too. We know Sergio is done with being a third man who plays 4 minutes a game and Blake is too good to do that. Either way
Nash
Roy (craziest back court in NBA)
Batty
LA
Oden
Bring Outlaw in at the 6 minute mark for Batty then 4 minutes later bring Batty back in for LA. The rest stays the same.
Tell it to C. Ford. He's reporting it.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Butler is the best of the Wiz' big three
And the cheapest. If we are trading for Butler one of our big three will be involved. Not worth it.
Karma
Butler can be had for RLEC and bench players
I think the Wiz will insist on trading Etan Thomas with Butler. They are over the luxury tax next season already and are playing horrible. Jamison and Arenas are pretty much untradeable due to their contracts. Portland could offer RLEC outlaw and Sergio for Butler and Thomas and the Wiz would probably do it. Assuming the luxury tax stays the same next year it would save the Wiz boatloads of cash over the next two years (RLEC insurance $, savings from expiring contract plus paying no luxury tax).
As a bonus it would give us ETEC next season to keep us up into the wee hours of the night speculating on trades.
If we get Butler (and Thomas) for RLEC, Trout, and Sergio
I will eat my own face.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 3:05 AM PST up reply actions
Ssssshhhhh!!!!!
Their are forces at work that are not meant to be understood or questioned by mere mortals. Even cool cats with monnikers that have “Sabonis” in them….SSSHHHHH!!!!
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
I have a feeling today's going to be the day....
I’m hoping for one of these guys (of the guys we’ve heard rumors about). Mike Conley Jr, TayshaunPrince, Shane Battier, Jason Maxiell, Chris Bosh, Luol Deng, Marvin Williams, Mike Miller, Gerald Wallace, Brandan Wright, Brandon Bass and 1st round draft picks.
I think
The dominoes don’t start falling until the Amare situation is finaliZed. Sounds like he’s staying put. If that’s the case I think trades will start going down tomorrow. If not it will probably go down to the deadline.
I think RJ is a closet guy...
…why don’t we do him a favor and bring him to a city where we won’t think poorly of him for that?
Closets are cool. Can hang clothes in them and store bowling balls n stuff
Guys are cool for going fishing with n stuff.
Why would you imply he would be thought of poorly for that?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
If there's ever a thing I never want to hear about
it’s people’s sexual preferences. None of my business – or anyone else’s. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
The trade I'd like to see.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cv54db
I know that the Suns say the Steve is untouchable and that they are having second thoughts about trading Amar’e, but I don’t think this is outside the realm of possibility…
Salmons would make the team better if he can be had for Frye and Rodriquez. Jefferson is a better fit and better player than Salmons, but has a bigger contract. Jefferson and Salmons are obtainable because Sacramento and Milwaukie want to trade for cap space. Washington and Charlotte value talent more than cap space, so obtaining Butler and Wallace would require returning comparable talent. If I’m the Blazers I want to add a starter and keep my most valuable seven or eight players: Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Bayless, Webster, Outlaw, Batum, and Blake.
Jefferson is a starter with qualities the team needs: good perimeter defender, established scorer, a credible 3-poiint threat, veteran, and a reasonably short contract (2 and a half years left). Salmons is a one year starter with better stats this year for a very weak team but career stats that don’t compare. I’ll take Jefferson for my starter this year and next.
I think Milwaukie is holding out for Outlaw + RLEC and is offering Ridnour for Rodriquez to balance contracts. (I happen to think Ridnour and Rodriquez are almost the same player except Ridnour has more experience). Milwaukie cannot keep Vilanueva and Sessions next year unless they move Jefferson for cap space, so at the end of the day they will take RLEC and a player or a pick. Unfortunately, they don’t need Rodriquez unless they put Ridnour in the trade and for Portland Ridnour is not an upgrade over Blake. So maybe this will work:
Portland trades RLEC and Rodriquez.
Portland receives Jefferson, Brown (PG from Sac)
Sacramento trades Salmons, Brown
Sacramento receives Jones (expiring contract), and Rodriquez.
Milwaukie trades Jefferson, Jones
Milwaukie receives RLEC, Salmons
Milwaukie might insist on sending Ridnour to Sacramento and taking Rodriquez in return. Not sure if Sacramento would agree. Depending on what they do with Miler, Sacramento might prefer Frye (team option next year) which means Portland gets Ridnour. Even trading Jones, Milwaukie should be able to offer Villanueva and Sessions mid-level exception money, or a little more. Any more is overpaying anyway. Needs of all three teams appear to be met.
Just finished the most boring essay I have written in a long time.
Professor chooses topics for us to write about, most of which are incredibly boring and usually really dramatic.
I want to wake up tomorrow morning with a text from ESPN telling me that we traded Shav for ’Bron straight up or else I will have a really crappy rest of the week.
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Feb 17, 2009 2:51 AM PST reply actions
I think we are going to need a second half trade thread
Here is my hopes in order:
1. No trade
2. A tiny trade but not Raef LaFrentz
3. A trade of only of Jerryd Bayless
Reason:
1. I like the team we have and want to see if they can rise up to the challenge of their rivals
2. The lamenting that will go on if Raef isn’t traded will entertain me (Although, I will hate all the free agency posts that will follow)
3. If Bayless is traded, his fans will flagellate themselves in front of the Rose Garden with the shoelaces of their basketball shoes (That would be some good drama)
Release your inner Kraken
DUN, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUN. (rocky theme)
also i’m learning about the Flagellant movement in Western Civilization right now. That would be awesome to see at the Rose Quarter, but if things played out like they did back in the 1400s, many of us would be tried for heresy and executed. still cool i guess.
"I saw him in the face"
by RoodiePhirnandizz on Feb 17, 2009 3:06 AM PST up reply actions
A new perspective on the trade scenarios
What if we were to trade for an expiring contract? If we add Channings and another player’s crappy expiring contract to the RLEC, then we could land that big time free agent.
Kenny Smith bashes Rudy. Should not get away with it.
I urge everyone in here to follow Mr Garcia’s advice from Oregonlive blogging today and use this link to tell TNT what you thought about Kenny Smith’s (and to some degree Reggie Miller’s) trash talk against Rudy and Spain during the allstar dunk contest: http://support.tnt.tv/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=5477.
The more people TNT hears this from the better. Here is what I wrote;
I am a basketball fan from Gothenburg, Sweden. I’d like the executives at TNT sports to listen long and hard to the commentary from Reggie Miller and first and foremost Kenny Smith during the ALL STAR dunk contest. The way they carried themselves when it was time for Rudy Fernandez to dunk was a total disgrace. Also, it was borderline racism. “I’ve never seen so thin legs”, “Amateurism of Spain as a country” and when Rudy celebrated the spanish basketball legend Fernando Martin by wearing a jersey with his name on it they quipped “Is that related to Ricky Martin??” Fernando Martin died, way too young, in a car accident. And Smith and Miller are joking about it? That is so pathetic and ignorant. There were plenty more of course. When Rudy did his first dunk, a behind the back off the backboard beauty with a perfect landing Kenny Smith says, in such a petty way, “Oh, I saw Rex Chapman do that in the nineties, and he did it much better”. Which, by the way was total BS. I remembered that one from Rex too, and they were both beautiful. Also, the Spain hating and Euro hating continued; “Nobody in the arena knows who Rudy Fernandez is..” Well, I think he posterized the main attraction D-Howard in the olympic final not too long ago, did he not Kenny? I guess there is a pretty good chance that some knowledgeable american basketball fans remember that. Why does he have to say a thing like that? My question is; can you at TNT have an employee that makes statements like these? Borderline racist, Euro-hating trash from start to finish? Charles Barkley would never say anything like that. And compared to what Kenny and Reggie jabbered about, chasing ladies in the streets with one too many beers in the belly now seems pretty harmless. A complete and utter disgrace.I very much would like to hear from you and your opinion about this.
Best regards,
Sorry if
this is off topic (or rather, it is) but I felt the need to get it out of my system. And I think it is important.
Regards,
Can anyone send me a breaking trade news message pretending he´s KP?
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Why are trades being shot down because the trade looks 1 sided? RLEC would be the only thing that really matters in a trade any other fodder thrown in a deal that Portland makes would be to ease fan tension for the other team/gm. Portland does not have to offer squat and they still would be in the running for alot of these proposed deals being tossed around. I keep reading teams would not do that deal. How do do we know what teams are willing to do? I bet Portland if it wanted to could land Amare for RLEC and a couple players that do not see the bb court, the problem I think Portland is encountering is the 3rd team scenario or maybe 4th team the way KP works.
Portland may very well have a deal in place and is waiting for the proper time to announce it.
Who does not suit up for Portland against Memphis will be a sure fire tell on who is staying and who is going, though I suspect a trade will be announced by the end of today.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Honestly
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ahfobv
I think this is what it would take to get Richard Jefferson. But really I don’t know if KP would do it, and I don’t blame him. There’s no way to be sure that Jefferson will have chemistry in our system. And honestly, it’s not really that important that we drop the Raef contract. We can use the cap space to sign our stars or a free agant later on.
We’re not trying to win a championship, just make the playoffs. One step at a time boys. I think our current squad can do it, they just need to dig a little deeper. And isn’t it better for things we own to evolve, instead of trading for expiring players?
Blazers Prophecy.
3-5 championships in next decade.
You heard it here first.
The little international NO signal next to Ridnour means he can't be dealt at this time. Sorry.
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Bosh & Wallace
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmbdg2
ESPN Insider has a rumor that a Bull/Suns/Raptors 3-way deal is gaining steam, where the Bulls would send Gooden, Thomas, and change to the Suns, Bosh would go to the Bulls, and Amare would go to the Raptors (though I can’t see why they would want to reunite Marion and Amare).
I figure we can go one better than the Bulls by offering LA and Raef, which provides more cap relief and a far better post player than Tyrus Thomas. Bosh is everything we dream of LA becomming. He’s a far better rebounder, attackes the hoop much more aggresively (lots of FT’s generated), is at least as good as LA defensively, and has just as nice of an outside shot. He’s still very young, and seems to have a good attitude, but has far more experience than LA (playoffs, Olympics, twice as many seasons).
ESPN is also floating the idea that Gerald Wallace can be had for RLEC. Perhaps he could also be had for TO and Frye. That would provide Charllotte with some cap relief (Frye’s expiring deal) and give them TO, whose contract is one of the best deals in the NBA. Wallace brings more fire than TO. His 3-ball isn’t nearly as good, but he would improve our fastbreak game, rebound better, play better D, and not go through periods where he completely flakes out.
Losing TO would obviously be a big blow to our chemistry. I get the impression that LA wouldn’t be as missed. I think Bosh would fill the gap left by TO personality wise. I know less about Wallace.
Why a deal should be made
Aside from getting better and taking advantage of RLEC, I also would argue that there is such a thing as having too many assets, particularly when those assets each need/will eventually demand playing time. Right we’ve got:
Three point guards + one stocked overseas
Five wing players (4.5 if you assume Outlaw continues to play out of position part of the time.
Even assuming we eventually let Blake leave and never bring Koppenen over, that’s more talent than we can keep happy. If Pritch doesn’t thin the ranks, they’ll thin themselves via free agency with nothing coming back.
by Charon on Feb 17, 2009 6:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
this trade
bayless leaves over my dead body
by thomasikehara on Feb 17, 2009 7:15 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'm surprised you put Bayless in that trade for Shaq since you have that there signature.
Release your inner Kraken
Fully agree on trying to get in on that Bosh rumor
RLEC + LMA has got to be worth WAY more than Gooden + Thomas and I would give up both those pieces (along with Bayless or Rudy) to get Bosh.
In like, a second.
Cassel?
Now that Cassel will most likely be released and if we by chance decide to part with sergio, blake, or bayless would we sign him for the playoffs?
championship veteran leadership?
I think so.
Though, seeing Cassel and Outlaw on the floor at the same time would put me into cardiac arrest.
by beam_us_up_scottie on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Another KP smoke screen?
Doesn’t it strike anyone as odd that KP, who does everything in superscret mode on all trades, has the entire NBA thinking the Blazers are targeting a SF? I really think he has another trade being set up right now. I don’t think SF is the position he is really filling right now. Webster has been out all season and the real question is whether or not he will ever return as 100% healthy. Foot injuries linger and it could hamper Webster for a long time. I actually expect him not to return this season at all. Yes, I know I said the SF was a smoke screen and this was just an argument as to why we should get a SF.
HOWEVER, I really think he is after a PG. I ran a trade scenario through the ESPN simulator and it worked. Here is how it goes:
3 way trade.
Portland sends RLEC/Travis/Sergio to New Jersey.
Portland sends Channing to OKC.
New Jersey sends Trenton Hassel to OKC.
OKC sends Nick Collison to Portland
New Jersey sends Devin Harris and Bobby Simmons to Portland.
The key to New Jersey is that they would end up $9.5 mil under the salary cap right now. Travis is a cheaper version of Simmons with a favorable contract. Sergio gets a new chance.
OKC gets essentially 2 expiring contracts and out from under the Collison contract that runs 2 more years. They then would be down around $35mil in contracts for next season. With 5 1st round draft picks, they would have all kinds of flexibility.
Portland gets the PG that KP has sought after for some time. Simmons becomes the starting SF and has the rest of this season and until the trade deadline next season to prove he needs to stay here. If not, he is an expiring $10mil contract next year. He is also insurance in case Webster’s injury is ongoing. Collison provides another blue collar, hard nosed banger in the middle.
If you follow the Hollinger stats, this one potentially pushes Portland a plus 11. That puts us 2/3 in the West behind the L*kers. And yes, I think this would put us in the second round of the playoffs this year. Ala, New Orleans last season. Then, we come back in 2009/10 better prepared to make a serious run.
Oh yeah, just signed up after reading BE for quite a while.
That's the best idea I've seen so far
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
Something similar
I was thinking that KP might want to get in the middle of the Carter-McGrady trade rumor, and that Portland could "profit" from it. For some reason the ESPN trade machine isn’t saving 3 way trades (even though I use IE7) but rest assured, this was a successful deal (try it yourself, if you like)
To New Jersey:
Tracy McGrady
Sergio Rodriguez
To Houston:
Vince Carter
Trenton Hassell
RLEC
To Portland:
Shane Battier
Carl Landry
Why Does LA need to be included?
RLEC= 12.4 mil savings July 1st right? Plus the team that gets him gets paid an additional 2.4 mil between now and April 19 right?
To a team over the cap RLEC represents 12.4 mil in savings July 1st an addional 12.4 savings in luxery tax and an additional 12.4 million in direct savings from not having to pay out any salery plus he pays you 2.4 million from insurance. RLEC is 39.2 million dollers in your pocket. We do not need to give up anyone on our roster that the Blazers do not choose to give up. A greedy owner like Shinn, Im telling you we can dream about C. Paul and its not totally out of the realm of maybe getting him and not touching the big three. D. Williams for a finacially challenged Jazz team who’s owner is not in the best of health.
Paul Allen has put together maybe one of the top management staffs in basketball. We raised the bar for the team at the start of the season lets raise the bar for the trade deadline.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Shinn might be greedy, but he's not insane.
Chris Paul is among the, what, 5 best players in the NBA? Shinn got run out of Charlotte by the citizenry’s outrage and subsequent apathy; the same thing would happen in N.O. if he traded Paul for purely financial reasons. It would devalue the franchise (not that Shinn is necessarily looking to sell, but not having Paul makes the Hornets worth a LOT less).
Chris Paul’s not going anywhere unless it’s of his own volition.
Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.
by Badalona Baddie on Feb 17, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
NO is not over the cap either, so they would actually only be gaining about 26.8 million.
My only point was we have the goose that is laying the golden eggs as we blog, and any team that has finacial trouble is in no position to demand anything back from Portland in a trade for rlec. I have a feeling that we have had great trade offers but teams are trying to get some of the players being mentioned on these trade posts and KP is simply saying no.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
We need to narrow the focus of this discussion now
Dave,
The psychic on Canzano’s show the other day sensed there would be a trade and she was feeling Chicago. Can we narrow the focus of all trade discussions then to Chicago since that’s obviously the only real probability?
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Sac Trades for Cassell??
Any ideas what they are up to here??
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3912402
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Stay the course
No major trades.
KP put this team together to suceed down the road, not right away. Before the season, all the focus was on player development. Let’s not mess up the chemistry by making a move just for the sake of making it.
I know, everyone is excited about how well we’ve played this season, and we all know that this team is destined to be very good, but we can’t jump the gun here. We need time to develop these players, and continue to form them into winners.
Being patient is one of the hardest things to do, especially if you know whats coming to you. We all know what’s coming with the Blazers of the near future, but we have to be patient.
A trade of some scrubs or draft picks, sure, but nothing major like the Amar’e trade.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 17, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions
There is patience, which we have had for FIVE YEARS... Don't confuse patience with inertia and fear of change...
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It's not fear of change
We have a good thing going here, which is much more than we could say during the Patterson/Nash years. We waited to develop those players, and nothing came of it. So we made a bunch of trades picked up Roy, Aldridge, Bayless, traded Z-Bo, and now we need to let these guys develop. Obviously its working, so don’t screw up the process. If we jump the gun and think we’re better than we are, then we risk becoming teams like Philadelphia, making moves to “make us better” which could backfire and leave us worse than before.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 17, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN.com is reporting...
That we might try to make a move for Gerald Wallace. He has been a Blazer killer this season. I think he would do well.
I submitted this trade
sometime last evening (look for it above) Wallace would be a huge upgrade and if we can get Felton as well, we are set for a couple of years. Wallace is a stand up guy that plays great D and will actually REBOUND from the weak side unlike TO.
Killer instinct. When you have your opponent down, you do not help them up. You step on their throat!!!!!!
by Misplaced Blazermaniac on Feb 17, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I tried to see if anyone else had posted it
It would be really nice. I love Felton too he has got a ton of talent; I hadn’t even thought about him. The only downside to this trade is that it gives us no really strong presence at PG. But beyond the starting 5 potential I think Batum could learn a ton from Gerald Wallace’s play.
buying hotels in Monopoly
is the way to win the game. we seem to be in a perfect storm for acquiring a major contributor for much less than market value. We can make a move without disrupting team chemistry and give ourselves a major boost this year, as well as improving the learning curve of our young players. There was a time I tried to talk myself into standing pat, a few weeks ago, but that is long gone. However, unless a truly major talent is made available (such as Bosh), I am dead set against giving up any main rotation player other than maybe Sergio, who would likely benefit from being set free. If we can get one of the SFs discussed (Wallace, RJeff, Butler, Salmons) for RLEC+Frye, then pull the trigger:
Because Bayless is going to be a star PG in the NBA, silly pants!
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The only other way this trade works
is by trading Rudy instead of Bayless. Your call.
I like that better.
Not that I have anything against Rudy (quite the opposite), but we’ve already got this Brandon Roy guy at the same position. How are we going to deal with that? Play undersized at the 3?
Bayless, on the other hand, fills a need at PG that we can’t fill any other way. When he becomes better than D-Will and just a hair below the level of CP3, we will be glad we didn’t trade him.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
As I mentioned below,
Rudy is a better option for them than bayless given their needs, and Bayless is better for us given our situation, but as a guy who owns his jersey and fell in love with his game at first sight (during the preseason sacramento game), I admit to having a bias, and would be much less inclined to trade him than Bayless. A predilection I’m sure you can understand, given your sig.
by premthegrem on Feb 17, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
besides
it fills two important needs, a good 3 and a rebounding, backup 4. As it is Houston might balk at the trade as they have a glut of 3’s, but Travis/Artest can fill time at the 4, which makes Scola’s job a little easier. Rudy would actually be ideal for them because he could take most of the minutes at the 2, allowing McGrady to play the 3 and keeping the Alston/Brooks duo intact.
As to why this trade is perfect for us, simply because Shane Battier is the antithesis of Travis Outlaw. Whereas Travis Outlaw’s athletic skills are as phenomenal as his cerebral understanding of the game is lacking, Battier is the exact opposite, doing the kinds of high IQ things that make him the ultimate role player. Battier is the Lebron James of role players, and sometimes you have to trade potential talent in order to get those kinds of guys. Batum is nothing like Battier, he is a mini stat stuffer but he is young, raw, extremely talented and would flourish into the perfect longterm wingman for Brandon Roy once this team peaks. Until then, Battier provides us the edge we need to push into the playoffs and be competitive as Oden grows into his own. I believe stability at the 3 is the key to being playoff contenders for 10-15 years, which is the window of this team. The Spurs are probably the only team in the past decade that has managed to keep 4 guys together for 7-8 years (Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Bowen). We will be lucky to keep Roy/Aldridge/Oden together for that long, forget Rudy/Batum/Serg etc.
And the cherry on top: We get our backup 4.
by premthegrem on Feb 17, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Ton of cap relief to Wizards for Butler
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cth288
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
Somehow I don't think so
Washington is at the bottom of the league now – trading Butler for nothing but expiring deals puts them even further into the cellar. I could see them exchanging Butler for another star and getting rid of one or two bad contracts as inticement (ie, my trade proposal above that has Amare going to DC), but this deal would cut into their fan base so far, I’m not sure they’d even average 5000 attendance the rest of the year.
I'll admit it's not likely.
But, as you point out, their attendance is miserable, anyway. The few fans who are already going to their games are the die-hards who will go even if they were suiting up nothing but D-Leaguers—trading away Butler isn’t going to matter much there.
On the other hand, this gives them 18 million off the books at the end of the year, and they’ll (hopefully) still have Jamison and Arenas to anchor the team next year. With Luxury Tax considerations, that 18 million could end up being more like 24 Million in the final analysis. A team with NO playoff prospects in a miserable economy would have to at least consider such a move.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
Darkhelmet54's idea that needs to be here.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgnqr5
POR In: Prince
POR Out: Raef/Bayless
DET in: Raef/Amare
DET out: Prince/Wallace
PHX Out: Amare
PHX In: Wallace/Bayless
I love this
Phoenix adds a future replacement for Nash and a solid player in Wallace.
Portland gives up a position we are 3 deep in (normally) and RLEC and gets a stud. I don’t care how big you are on Bayless, this is gold for us.
Detroit might not like it as much. Prince/Wallace for just Amare is quite a bit. They’re also too deep at the guard position, not the forward/center position. Still, I’d be more than willing to throw Batum/Outlaw into this deal as well to give Detroit a replacement for Prince.
This makes Portland a lot better now and for the next 6-8 years.
This was Darkhelmets trade
In my version the Pistons would want Batum or Outlaw. Either Batum would go to Detroit and Outlaw takes the backup PF/SF minutes, or Outlaw goes to Detroit and Batum takes the backup SF minutes. (An Outlaw back would be up in the air. Can Prince swing Power Forward 10 minutes a game if needed/)
No way Detroit does this.
They’re a team built on D, and you’re trading away two of their best defenders for Amar’e?
I just don’t see it happening.
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
Ahem
They “were” a team built on D. I’m not 100% sure ditching Wallace and trading Billups for Iverson were really defensive minded moves.
I still think it's gonna be a Sacramento dump that happens...
They’re playing to an empty arena, they KNOW they need to blow it up and start over, and their salary level is almost exactly what the Blazers’ is — which is towards the top end of the spectrum, tax payers…
THEY are gonna want to make a deal. With the Blazers? Not sure. But that’s the most likely partner…
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Bulter, Wallace, Jefferson
In his column on the impending trade deadline, Chad Ford stated that, using RLEC and “a few young players” the Blazers could get Richard Jefferson, Caron Butler, or Gerald Wallace. What would we have to give up to get each? Which one is the better fit?
For my money the order goes:
1.Butler
What can you say about Caron? He is by far the best player and the best fit of the three. He’s classy, experienced, and seems t obe willing to do what it takes. My guess is that being in Washington is crushing his spirit. My gues however is that Washington would want some serious young talent back (ie Bayless) not Frye/Serg.
2.Wallace
Wallace is a freaky beast man. As we all know, he can attack the rim, grab rebounds and brings energy and hustle to every play. I would love to pick him up, particularly if he hadn’t just gotten crushed like a paper cup by Bynum. The multiple concussions and punctured lung as well as the probable psychological pants soiling make me wonder if he’ll ever be the same, and the jury is still out.
3.Jefferson
Jefferson can score he can play defense, and yes he has been to the NBA finals where his team was pathetically manhandled and thrown out on their backsides. Every time I hear about how much KP likes this guy I start to cry softly to myself. Plus his head looks like a beat up eggplant.
What does everybody think? Who do you want? Who would you be willing to give up? Who would we have to give up?
So is today the day that SOMEthing happens or will
we clock watch right up to the last second? Gotta figure they will close out whats what before tomorrow gametime just to not have guys distracted….
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
CHA-POR-SAC experiment
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=at7vla
Trying to find a good way to get Wallace here.
Chandler to Thunder confirmed
Check yahoo sports
Thunder getting better...
they will be in the mix very soon. NO Hornets might drop off a little…b/c of loss of a superior shot blocker and rebounder, but Smith and Wilcox are no slouches.
hornets..
making some moves.
i really think its either jefferson or wallace at this point.
"Awesome! Totally awesome! All right, Hamilton!"
would be sweet.
I keep reading that it’s likely Wallace or Jefferson…check ESPN Chad Ford chat.
I just think we won’t want to take on Nazr Mohammed and his huge contract. And i think the upside on Butler is way more and he totally fits the culture KP is trying to build.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
his contract doesn't seem so huge
$6million/year until the end of the 2010-11 season. The Blazers are only on the hook for a season and a half, before Nazr becomes another expiring contract they can trade or 2 1/2 seasons before he comes off the books completely. This just doesn’t seem like a deal breaker to me, if the Blazers really want Wallace.
I agree, I would rather have Butler...
2nd would be Wallace, followed by Jefferson.
Now that Sacramento has Cassel...
What about some sort of Cassel Salmons deal for RLEC and Sergio Frye thing?
Cassel is done, he looked awful in the playoffs last year and has not played at all for Boston this year
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
ya... but for a veteran voice in the locker room.
Would he even be a good influence?
No, he would not be worth the time or money
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Gerald Freaking Wallace
If all we have to do to get Wallace is take back Nazr contract for RLEC, Sergio and Frye (instead of Batum) then I think we should do it. Martell and Batum could back up Wallace and Travis could back up LaMarcus. I think Nazr could give Oden some good defensive pointers and eventually give us another trading chip for the summer. Also a good insurance policy with our two injured centers (wrist and knee)
.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dfbyfl
If you can do it without Nazr fine...
but his contract is only $6million/year until the end of the 2010-11 season…that doesn’t sound like a deal breaker.
No time to read all this,
but I thought I’d throw out an idea. We trade RLEC and Travis for a SF, and we trade Frye, Diogu, and Sergio to Miami for Haslem. They have expressed a need for another PG, and Beasley will eventually take Haslem’s spot. I actually think they could probably get more, but both Frye and Diogu are expiring contracts. With Jermaine in the middle, Frye’s outside shooting would be nice. Not much chance of this happening, but it seems the Blazers would jump at it.
Is Wallace a broken man?
The more I think about it the more I cringe at the idea of trading for Wallace. He hasn’t played since being on the receiving side of an extremely serious mangling. That’s a pretty big question mark. After that kind of injury, I could see him being a little more house-cat than bobcat.
That is the big question mark IMO
his durability has been pretty weak historically. So, while healthy he is an upgrade, but he’s had 5 out of 8 seasons where he’s missed 15-45 games. So history would tell you that he’s going to be missing some substantial time during the season.
this post needs to be bumped back to top of main page
people are already not seeing it and posting fanposts
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
SI reports the Cavs are discussing a Szcerbiak-for-Jamison swap.
Interesting. I don’t think the Wiz will deal both Jamison and Butler; it’s one or the other. So, now there’s a bit of pressure on KP(assuming KP is reluctant to part with certain players in a deal for Butler.) The issue is whether KP will make concessions to acquire Butler, knowing that Butler could be taken off the table.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
heck
even if Butler isn’t an option, would you try to trump Cleveland and do a RLEC for Jamison swap? He can play some at the 3 can’t he?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
there's that as well.
Jamison has a reputation as a good leader and locker-room guy, too.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
chad ford says we're after vince carter
He says we offered RLEC/Trout/Sergio for him
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913836
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
Here is my explanation for that
Either of the following work:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akfrhj
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkekte
Vince to Charlotte. Wallace and Felton to Portland. RLEC, Outlaw, and Sergio to the Nets. Plus some other stuff.
Jefferson.
Because after reading alot of what eeeeevvvvvveryyyyyyy single one of these comments….
I just feel good about what was said….or wasn’t…I guess….I dunno but
JEFFERSON…
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Vinsanity or just delusions of grandeur?
Don’t know about this VC stuff. Would we play him at the 3? Would he come off the bench behind Roy? Pretty small for an SF, and we are set for the 2. Seems like a square peg / round hole situation.
Here is my best shot
Gives us a stopper/shooter at the 3 with Battier, a smart, unselfish player that would be great addition. Harris would be a great upgrade at the 1.
There have been talks of a TMac Vince swap, why not help it along. Although giving up Harris is probably our of the questions. The the most apt to happen, but I gave it a go.
Ducks Go!
yep, lots and lots of blow.
We should change the name of the blog to addictedtoblow.com
how about that link
Ducks Go!
yep, lots and lots of blow.
We should change the name of the blog to addictedtoblow.com
The perfect move.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dk8a6j
Portland gets: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon.
Tortonto gets: Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless, Steve Blake, Amare Stoudemire.
Phoenix gets: LeMarcus Aldridge, Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract.
Good for all party’s involved if you ask me. Chances are Toronto can’t keep Bosh past 2010 anyway. Great move for the Blazers. Pushes them into the top 2 in the West along with Lakers IMO. Suns have made it clear that they are interested in picking up Aldridge and would like to get under the luxury tax next year.
Best Trade Ever
Trade Machine says we’ll have +11 wins
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c5olwe
Rec this comment for good luck.
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