For anyone who would like to Email NBA.com about Reggie and Kenny's disrespectful remarks.
Kenny and Reggie's disrespectful remarks about Rudy wearing the Martin jersey as a tribute really ticked me off. I'm no NBA historian, but even I knew Martin was the first Spanish player ever to play in the NBA, and one of the first international players to play as well. It wasn't just that they didn't know who he was, that would have been fine, as you can't fault someone for ignorance. It was the way in which they mocked the tribute, and falied to recognize Rudy's profound and touching statement. I decided to write an e-mail to the nba to voice my complaint, to probably no avail...but if all B Edgers decided to write an email, all several thousand of us, maybe, just maybe TNT would run a story about Martin's impact to Spanish and international players everywhere. If anyone would like to email the NBA about this here is the link. On TNT's website it says if you would like to say something to the NBA broadcast team there is a just a link to the NBA.com website, so I think this is probably the best avenue of communication.
Here it is.
http://www.nba.com/email_us/contact_us.html
Also, here is Reggie's email address as well thanks to pxilpooshr. reggiesmailbag@turner.com
Here is the email I wrote if anyone is lazy and just wants to copy it.
I would like to voice my serious disturbance with the broadcast team of Kenny Smith and Reggie Miller during Rudy Fernandez's portion of the dunk contest. Rudy wore a tribute jersey to Fernando Martin, the first Spanish ( and one of the first international ) player ever to play in the NBA. When he donned the jersey, Reggie and Kenny not only didn't know who he was, they mispronounced his name, made fun of the tribute, and were very disrespectful to the Spanish nationality as a whole. Fernando Martin paved the way for not just Spanish basketball players, but all international players, before tragically dying in a car accident in 89. His story is a very inspiring one, one that was mocked, and completely disrespected by the broadcast team. I previously thought Reggie and Kenny were class acts, but clearly they are not, if they fail to recognize the great accomplishment Martin made at the expense of racist, insensitive jokes. If the NBA is truly trying to branch out to international audiences, perhaps they should insist their announcers be more respectful to the legacy of pioneers like Fernando Martin. Rudy Fernandez tried to make a profound statement, and I think it was lost to a lot of viewers thanks to Kenny and Reggie. I personally think they should address this issue on air somehow, perhaps not by means of a public apology, but maybe tell the story of Martin and the inspiration he gave to international players everywhere.
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I didn't hear the broadcast
what excatly did they say?
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
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Total douche bag form by those guys. I could not agree more, what would have happened if someone wore a Jackie robinson Jersey in tribute to the first great african american player in pro sports and they acted the way they did? holy crap it would be a sh…i mean poop storm. total garbage and i was angry also. Plus, wtf was up with his scoring? i understand he could not pull that dunk off untill like the 8th or 9th try, it used to be that the only time you were marked down was when you missed it completely. The second dunk he had was sick! Way better than the 42 score. Totally lame but typical, portland has allways been the red headed step child of the NBA.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Feb 16, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions
Portland isn´t treated fairly.
Something smells bad at the West of Denmark :)
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Great idea that I think everyone can fully support
Even if I weren’t a Rudy fan, this kind of commentary is just flat out disrespectful and inappropriate, particularly on national television. I definitely lost a lot of respect for Kenny and the whole TNT crew.
What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."
- Byron Scott
I felt the same way
and I didn’t have a ton of respect either. I adored reggie as a player, but he is a mediocre announcer.
A great announcer would be someone like Mike Rice. I suppose we are all grateful each year that he still works in Portland and not for one of the national channels.
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I agree completely with what you and all other BEdgers that have commented on this post. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
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i just watched that video..
and i think the thing that made me most upset is when Kenny said “Martin? like Ricky Martin?” come on.. that unnecessary.
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Any way someone
can go back and pull out specifc comments….these emails are much more powerful with quotes.
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Thanks for taking the initiative
I was completely disrespected with their commentary and their ignorance only added to the dunk contests catasrophic display… It reminded me of a WWF match where anyone with half a brain could see through the script and pre-determined final before the contest even began.
Postin' Up On The Block Like A Mail Box...
Thank you for finding out where to send complaints. In this day and age those comments were disgraceful.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Yeah I wrote one already to reggiesmailbag@turner.com
But I’m not sure if they’re still doing that segment. It was the only address I could think of. I’ll copy it and send it to you suggested email address at NBA as well. Thanks.
What follows is the email I wrote. I stole stats on Martin from MB’s blog. Not nearly as nice as yours.
Reggie,
Not very classy. The man gets voted in by popular vote and you guys proceed to wonder if anyone in the arena knows who he is. He wears a shirt honoring Fernando Martin, the first Spaniard to play in the NBA. Martin, a 6-10 power forward, signed as a free agent with the Portland Trail Blazers on May 6, 1986, playing 24 games for Portland in 1986-87, recording 22 points, 28 rebounds, nine assists and seven steals in 146 minutes. He died in a car crash at 27 years old, and you’re shouting “where’s Gina?” and “Ricky Martin”. Ricky Martin, Reggie? Wrong continent you putz. Drunken Chuck getting blowjobs and going on gambling sprees gets more fan love than your juvenile crap. That and your sister berating the envelope kid makes this a dunk contest one to forget. Oh and tell Kenny he was an idiot too. Actually Kenny was worse but I don’t have his address.
Keep up the self aggrandizement, and one day the fans might catch up with your ego.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
by pxilpooshr on Feb 16, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
thanks for Reggie's email address! I will update the post to include it!
by dario argento on Feb 16, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I got a response from Reggies Mailbag
I sent an email and to my shock he responded..,.
“Sorry you feel that way
Reggie”
That was it, not sure if it was an automated response. I think an automated response would have been longer, but it seems as if there was no way he could reply to every email he gets. Not too satisfying, but at least somebody saw it.
Agree
the way tht envolope kid was treated was total garbage his family should demand and appology. !!!! no respect for the millers reggie spent the entired weekend bacically tellin the audiance his stats and trying to make a case for y he should be in the hall of fame. Even kenny recognized what he was doing and threw in a few of his stats too. The dunk contest comments ? totally out of line disrespecting a pioneer for NBA basketball and basketball around the world like tht has no excuse, im sure neither kenny nor reggie will ever try to make a trip to spain. I had great respect for reggie miller and always chooce him in the debate of reggie VS ray allen but now i feel ashamed of myself for defending tht arrogant self prommoting prejudice…. you fill in the blanks
So what did Cheryl do to the envelope kid?
I missed that part…
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by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Was it captured on video?
Does anyone have a link?
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by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
sent
I support the cause. and appreciate the notion you have placed. well put, the way they handled themselves was insulting, and most everyone i have spoken with agree rudy got jipped. oh well, there is always next year?
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by BlazerandBeaverBELIEVER on Feb 16, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions
Some might also find your use of “jipped” (sic) insulting. Just thought I’d point that out for irony’s sake.
by ArbyOSU on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is spelled Gypted
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by 92wastheyear on Feb 17, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
yep.
and yep to your above comment, too.
Gyp… maybe not so nice to say after all.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Kenny Smith and Reggie Miller
Boo these men!
Rec’d, emailed, and cheers and love for Rudy and all he does and stands for.
I sent a copy of your note to the NBA using the link...
I added a PS: to it so as to let them know that I am actually meant it.
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I sent this
I am Portland Trail Blazer’s fan waiting with anticipation of this year’s Slam Dunk Contest because a player from the Blazers was going to be competing (Rudy Fernandez) Naturally I didn’t have really high hopes since while Rudy is an exciting new player and a good game dunker, he really more of a 3 pt specialist at this point in his career. That being said I was still looking forward to seeing him comepete.
Much to my shock, the commentators starting really bashing him and his country of origin. As you undoubtly know, Rudy is not American, but rather a native of Spain. I have transcribed a portion of the exchange to which I refer:
Kenny re Rudy Fernandez:“He’s gotta do somthin’ cause no one in this building knows who he is except the Fernandez family”
Reggie re Rudy wearing a Fernando Martin jersey comermorating the first Spainiard to play in the NBA: “Who’s Martin? LaRue Martin?”
Kenny:"Ricky Martin?
(On screen graphic showing Bio of Fernando Martin)
Reggie or Kenny: “If we knew who Martin was….Martin from the show?” (Martin Lawrence)
Kenny: “I don’t know who Martin is…..where’s Gina? Where’s Gina?” (character from the Martin Lawrence show)
Kenny: “I thought I had skinny legs ’til I saw Rudy Fernandez”
Kenny: “we’re not here to see Pau Gasol make a great pass behind the back….why would you have……this is the amaturism of Spain”
(laughter)
Kenny: “The whole country…I’m callin out the whole county!”
(Unknown):" His hands aren’t even big enough to hold the ball" …..“He can’t make that dunk”
Kenny:“He couldn’t make that dunk on a Nerf hoop”
Reggie: “It’s possible but you gotta get up high….”
Kenny: “For him though?”
Reggie: “No”
(Rudy completes dunk)
You know….it is one thing to tell the viewers that the dunks weren’t good enough to compete …but really….personal comments? Denegrating 2 national hero’s (Martin and Fernandez) from a European country of avid NBA fans. In fact “calling out” the entire country…great work guys (sarcasm)!! Top notch
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Maybe I imagined it...
but didn’t one of those “experts” drop something about Mexico or Mexican at one point while speaking of or about Rudolfo?
I could swear I remember hearing that.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 16, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
No that was Mortimer
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
by 92wastheyear on Feb 17, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
oh no...
he’s not back on the sauce Sauza again, is he?
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Division Allignment?
What got me was Reggie Miller calling Pau a division rival. Rival Yes! In the same division? Nut unless the NBA realigned two min ago. Shouldn’t an NBA national color man know what divisions teams are in. He just piled that terrible display of NBA knowledge on top of all his insensitive remarks. Piss poor Reggie.
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I had the same thought
The alignment of the divisions should be one of the most basic things that anyone announcing in any sport should know.
Reggie and Kennie are douchebags, but... ... ...
Call me controversial, but one of my biggest problems with America these days is that everything is so politically correct, and if you say something someone else finds offensive it causes a lot of issues. I don’t feel that what Kenny and Reggie said was blatantly racist, so I’m not going to write in about it. It was definitely ignorant. The whole “amateurness of Spain” comment was just plain IGNORANT with a capital I. They were playing to the cocky lowest common denominator, the same demographic that fell for the fact that it was a “12 foot” rim DW dunked on, loved the Phone Booth BS, and thought it was ok for Nate Robinson to literally cheat (IMO) by jumping off a platform (human body) for one dunk, and launching off another (Howards shoulders) in another dunk.
Honestly, I still think the dunk Rudy did with Gasol was sick, it ranked up there with Vince Carters dunks in 2000. If he would have completed it in the first 2 tries it would have had to be a 50 going by the standards that weak contest was judged on.
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by mark twain on Feb 16, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you...
they sounded like idiots, but that appears to be par for the course.
I think if Charles had said it, it would have been vintage Charles… the sort of comment that everyone loves Sir Charles for. Kinda weird.
(Sidenote: Not too many months ago, it was ironically the Spanish National Team that was the source of controversy over a less than politically correct photo. Karma? I think it’s safe to say that different cultures probably have a different guage of what’s politically correct and what’s not.)
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 16, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
For sure I remember that photo. Who wouldn't?
They took their licks, got caught looking like racists ( whether they were or not, I think they meant no disrespect with the photo, and were trying to be playful, but didn’t think about the possible ramifications ), had to apologize on the public stage, and everyone has moved on. I think Reggie and Kenny should at least have to acknowledge that their comments were disrespectful and insensitive to the story that is Martin.
by dario argento on Feb 16, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I killed Rudy/the Spanish team over that. The same standard applies to Smith and Miller, imo
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
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by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you to a point
I’m just not jamming on NBA coverage sounding like a WWA event. WWA is a total show….some people think the NBA is a total show, and not just the All-Star game weekend. Like it or not the preception is already there.
OK I haven’t sent any letters yet, but I could go for one with the “ignorant” tack over the “racist” tack. Kenny and crew were totally “Ugly American” in motiff. Great.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Being too P.C. here was my concern with this post as well....
There’s far too much outrage over what “other” people say for it all to be real. I think it was clear that the TNT commentators were approaching the dunk competition in a light-hearted manner, and their particular senses of humor are different than those people being offended and tended to disparage Rudy and other foreign players.
People who are offended by these (and other) attempts at humor need to understand the destructive nature of humor. All humor is a negation of something, and if that “something” is an important thing to person X, X is not going to find it funny and may not like it. THEREFORE for any attempt at humor, there’s probably going to be someone who values that target of humor.
If you are someone (like me) who dreads seeing the endless litany of forced apologies the P.C. culture has engendered, please help offended people understand that if they want to shelter everyone from any emotional harm, they will have to boycott EVERY attempt at humor, cultural criticism and the like. NO ONE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY BY EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS. And sometimes that rule is going to apply to everyone many times over the course of a lifetime.
On that note, I concede there are SOME standards for humor and there are definitely lines across which comments are disrespectful. I did not know who Martin was either, and I don’t blame the commentators for their remarks.
In closing, Rudy was ROBBED and those commentators sounded like IGNORAMUSES and I AM NEVER WATCHING ANY BASKETBALL AGAIN AAAARRRGGGGGHHH EVERYONE OUTSIDE PORTLAND IGNORES AND BELITTLES US AND #$$!#$#$&*&%$
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
The "PC culture" is just a way to spread the word
that you should think before you flap your mouth meat. If you can’t be bothered to see the fine line or the gray area if you will then maybe you should avoid making a joke. Some jokes are “edgy” and those are often very funny. They often challenge our presuppositions our social norms or our delicate Victorian sensibilities. Other jokes are over the line, not funny and simply disrespectful. PC culture is not a nazi lock down on all of the class clowns of the world. It’s a plea that you take a moment to empathize before you ridicule. Now if you’re too cool and too hilarious to be restrained by forethought, well maybe you’re not as funny as you think. Personally I think defending ignorance because it’s good for a chuckle is a dead end street, but that’s just me. Also as a side note humor it self is difficult to define in general, especially if you attempt to reduce it to a formula. Suggesting that all humor must negate something is a fallacy. I would offer up some funny thought experiments as example, but I’m just not a clever person.
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by pxilpooshr on Feb 17, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The earliest jokes recorded (Sumarian & Egyptian):
Sumarian: Something about a young wife farting while having sex.
Egyptian: How do you entertain a bored pharoh? Dress a boatload of women in fishnets and invite the pharoh to go fishing.
No “negating” there.
".. is gumby an alien?"
How utterly insensitive you are
Toward the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians among us. For shame!
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
I beg your pardon
I’m not as ancient as I look. – Elgyptian
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
You seem to say
That there was no such thing as discretion before people started calling janitors “sanitation engineers” and the like. Or perhaps you are making a finer point, and I’m not clever (mentally unchallenged) enough to understand.
Regardless, it’s off-topic. Weren’t we supposed to be trading for Channing Frye for LeBron sometime around now?
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A finer point I could not make.
I see a distinction between political correctness and what amounts to double speak. The distinction is well defined in the work of the immortal George Carlin.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
didn't he ruin that immortal thing by dying?
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
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Yet another hero
ruins my image of him by laying down in his grave.
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I sent them an e-mail too
Dont forget how they made comments about his legs being skinny and hands being too small. I was just insulted by all the comments they made while he was dunking. And then to hear it re-played by Canzano a half-dozen times today made it that much worse. He’s as bad as Kenny Smith. Talking about we should all be embarassed for Rudy. His dunks were the most gracefull of any of them.
by SandyTrailBlazer on Feb 16, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions
canzano was bashing on rudy today?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 16, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
knowing The Bald One...
he was probably defending as this thread is.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 16, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I never can tell with Canzano
He talks out of both sides of his mouth and delivers compliments that can be taken as insults so artfully. I can’t stand listening to his show.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Feb 17, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
canzano is a local version of colin cowdung.
Canzano was basically saying...
Rudy did the best that he could so he’s not to blame, it’s the Blazer organization that is to blame for not preparing Rudy. Canzano was calling out Brandon roy for not being there for Rudy, and saying that Rudy looked alone out there like he was on an island.
I partially agree with him that someone from the Blazer organization should have stepped up and helped represent our team with Rudy.
by blazerbeliever on Feb 17, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Fine
If it was important to have a Blazer there, then Sergio should have made the trip. I guarantee he would have nailed the pass off the backboard the first time for Rudy. Let’s not call out Roy, though. The guy is exhausted and has a brand new baby at home.
Heck. KP used to play – he should have been assisting Rudy!
haha
KP throwin’ up the alley oop would have been classic.
by blazerbeliever on Feb 17, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
heh
even more reason for all the other GM’s to hate him. Heck, he should dress up as blaze the cat and ridicule the opposing team during timeouts. Wait, that’s just silly… nevermind.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
If he really wants hate
he should re-enact the Shooter McGavin nightmare scene with Marlene (his ex-Blazer dancer GF) and play it on the jumbotron. Shooter!
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by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
why does everyone think Roy didnt offer
I would make an educated guess that since Rudy was on the whole rep spanish thing, thats why he chose Gasol… i highely doubt brandon didnt offer
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Still coulda watched.
Yes, his schedule was busy, but just about everyone else was there. As someone said before, do you think Roy would have missed it if Bayless were in the contest?
Roy stated that he was there watching it...
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
My mistake
I figured if he was they’d a shown him at least once. Silly me.
Rudy just chose the wrong person then. All-Star teammate > All-Star countryman, although I see why Rudy did it the way he did.
Woulda been REALLY interesting to see what kinda score he gets if he does that on try one. Probably just a 46 or something and then Nate woulda gotten a better score on his second dunk regardless.
yea.. I thought the same thing
Brandon maay have meant that he just watched it.. but like from a closed off inside place (hotel room or locker rooms) where there are not cameras..
I remember Brandon was very iffy about helping Rudy when it was first announced that Sergio didn’t want to go to Phx. and I thought that was weird..
I also thought it was weird that Rudy was not around to stand with Marc and Pau during the halftime Olympic tribute..
"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum
He Had already left PHX when they did the Olympics tribute
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Here is my go sent to the NBA under Broadcast coverage
I have been a basketball fan since I was a little boy largely because of the NBA. I would spend Sunday afternoons after games in my driveway pretending I was one team against another; shooting last second shots or defending against an imaginary superstar. As I grew older I continued to watch NBA basketball and would now practice the moves I saw against my friends. Today I still love to watch the best basketball players in the world play the best game in the world. It is a show that only the NBA delivers. Part of that fun is the All Star weekend.
Unfortunately, this brings me to the reason why I am writing you today. While I realize that there is good and bad in every organization, the broadcast team for the Sprite Slam Dunk Contest on February 16, Saturday night hit was especially bad. The particular incident I am referring to is the second dunk attempt by Rudy Fernandez. Derogatory remarks were made during the first dunk, but they were reasonable in the context of the teasing that goes on during the All-Star weekend (note: it was extremely poor taste to treat Rudy’s tribute to Fernando Martin with such flippancy). The matter got out of hand during the second dunk. After many tries to complete his second dunk the announcers grew more and more adventuresome in their criticism of Fernandez and his All Star countryman Pau Gasol. The nadir was voiced by one of the commentators shortly before Fernandez completed his dunk. "…the amateurism of Spain." While the remark alone might be ignored in a different setting, the environment the announcers had established gave this remark a different meaning. It was, sadly, a meaning charged with racism.
As I said before, there is good and bad in every organization. But an organization can be good or bad too. One way to tell if an organization is good is if it actively and transparently polices the problems that appear within it. There are many ways to do this: public discipline of the offending party, general public apology by the NBA/offending party, or implementing programs to improve NBA culture. Please show me you are still the NBA I grew up loving.
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Thank you dario, for helping to organize us for postive action.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 16, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i am going to cc david stern
with the conspiracy theory that mr stern hand picked rudy because he wanted to get an international player on board, kenny and reggie pretty much shot the nba’s globalization plan in the foot. disrespecting a past spanish basketball hero and a current popular player when the nba needs all the fanbase they can get right now? intelligent move by the announcers.
This is a great idea but..
I think we should all also send emails about how the dunk contest was rigged for Howard and Robinson to be in the finals, cause to me the whole contest ended up being a big joke.
Red Hot and Rolling
we all know it's a joke anyway.
I don’t see how that matters. It’s rigged, period. Just give Rudy a real chance to represent and a little respect while he’s doing it, or just cut straight to forklifting Howard’s infantile ego around the area and be done with it.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
rudys dunk from gasol
was the best dunk of the night. and it got worse scores than JR Smith in-game like dunk. the two bounce one, which was as basic as it gets
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 17, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Calling the NBA.
I am going to try and figure out the phone number to get ahold of someone in the NBA. I did send an email, but i think talking to a real person about it is going to be stronger.
I totally agree with everyone here.
Im totally not the kind of guy to throw out the racism card at all, i think racism is WAY overused and to be honest, its usually overused in the black community. But for those guys to say that Spanish are “amatuerish”, and disgracing all spanish people, its just rediculous.
So if i can get a hold of them(im going to work on it through the blazers office), i will post the phone number so everyone else can call.
I wrote on re Kenny
Miller didn’t strike me as as mean spirited/ignorant as Kenny Smith. I only watched it once (live), so maybe I missed his “A” material, but Kenny Smith became my least favorite TV personality this weekend.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
Edit: "one"
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 17, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
The only thing that I heard at the very beginning was the reference to Ricky Martin. They actually showed some respect when they heard that Fernando Martin tragically died in a car accident…If there was some other things said, I’m implore you to let me know.
by Ireallyliketheblazers on Feb 16, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions
Kenny Smith
Kenny said the Rudy/Pau miscues on the pass were evidence of the “amateurism of Spain”, said he was calling the whole country out. I’m pretty PC when it comes to racial smack (or borderline racial smack) unless it’s with my good friends (the type where you can talk moms/girls/religion/race and nobody thinks anything of it), so it might have bugged me more than most, but I thought it was incredibly inappropriate. The rest of their stuff was just jerkish, but Kenny did the same thing to DeQuan Cook, so it might be more of a cool kids table/superstar thing (ironic since Kenny is neither cool nor a superstar, but it’s good to strive).
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 16, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if it is racist
Very “Ugly "American” though. Is that style neccessary? Really? Play the provencial card to be entertaining?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Daquean Cook
When he won and they were interviewing him, I felt terrible when the interviewer (Cheryl?) told him that Kenny didn’t think he should even be in the contest……..it looked like it hurt his feelings.
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
..etc
I was quite proud of Rudy as a long time blazers fan for wearing Martins jersey . Very classy act . Shows the long standing desire of kids internationally wanting to make it to the NBA .
Even though Rudy is too young to have seen him play and knowing that most people outside of spain wouldn’t remember him he still chose to wear his jesery in rememberance.
He did not choose to wear a jersey of a superstar but of a fellow spaniard who like himself made it to the NBA . It’s actually quite moving.
I remember seeing a short documentary on Martin and his team playing after the accident. Perhaps TNT could find it in their hearts to show that during a halftime of a Blazers game and then add the Rudy tribute to it sans commentary. It would make a great story.
As for Kenny and Reggie I think they just had a sctick going on and realized they had just effed up by doing so during a nice tribute and they could either sit silently and look stupid or continue on as it didn’t happen and they chose the wrong one.
I don’t know what Rudy thinks about it all but if I were him i’d be most insulted by how little credit they gave him as a basketball player. I too thought that he was outmatched but i think he proved us all wrong.
Sure it’s just a dunk contest but it really looked like he took it serious and this was the thanks he got, not only as a professional basketball player but as a spaniard.
Welcome to the NBA.
Sent and Recced
Kind of surprising that they can insult the entire nation of Spain without anyone in the booth saying that it was inappropriate. Completely unprofessional and classless.
Here's what I said:
TNT did a terrible job of handling the Slam Dunk contest. The announcers were very disrespectful toward Portland Trailblazer Rudy Fernandez and his tribute to Fernando Martin. It was ugly and seemed to me a small taste of what was probably much more common in sports commentating during the civil rights movement. Disgusting.
this has been a message from: "The People's Alliance to give Greg Oden at least a couple of seasons."
Thanks for the address
I sent them a whole breakdown of their commentary and how incredibly stupid and insulting it was. I was totally unimpressed with Reggie Miller’s conduct throughout the entire weekend. It takes a lot to be more obnoxious than Craig Sager’s choice of wardrobe, but Miller might have just acheived that standard.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
people
bottom line-america does’nt care about the portland trailblazers,or r.fernadez or f.martin.
they would’nt give a damn about p.gasol except he wears the dreeded purple*gold.let’s be real here,you think n.robinson would be in the dunk contest if he played for the kings,
hell’s no.but because new york is across his jersey he stay’s revelant.
Nate Robinson kills the Blazers
every time they play. The little guy can leap, and he can dunk.
If America doesn’t care about Rudy then there must have been a couple hundred thousand Spaniards that voted him in. Those people are also consumers of the NBA product. And that my friend is a real bottom line.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Yup
Right on the money, Fatty.
We need to remember that to most Americans and a large number of NBA fans, Portland is a small-town market in a backwards corner of the country. The Blazers need to put this behind them and use it as motivation towards a championship. The only reason Seattle is considered ‘big’ is because of coffee and grunge music – other than that, it is more-or-less in the same boat. On the plus side, hopefully this keeps folks from moving up to the NW corner of the country.
yeah
and that’s why you people keep on whining that rudy was robbed and disrespected and the 100,000 or so spainairds still are not fool blooded made in the usa americans dude book that !!!
until they move here...then they are
like it or not….unless you are a closet Navajo i figger your people came here from somewhere else?
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
In Kenny Smith's defense, he has the brain of a five year old and is pretty much a known laughingstock
And Reggie’s trying way too hard constantly in the broadcast booth. Must be those marbles in his mouth.
Blazer Fan
And I would imagine both are even more annoying now that they are trying to ride Barkley's coattails
Luckily I don’t watch TNT
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 17, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions
Reggie had a great game...boy he could throw a ball in a hole...
wow ….good thing some white dude invented basketball
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
great idea, dario
thanks for the legwork. here’s what I sent:
I am writing to express my extreme discontent with the comments made by Kenny Smith and Reggie Miller during Rudy Fernandez’ portion of the Slam Dunk contest on Saturday, Feb 14, 2009. Their comments were extremely disrespectful towards Spain and international players in general. Fernandez’ decision to pay tribute to Martin was a classy homage to a groundbreaking basketball player and assuredly meant a lot to Spaniards and international fans of basketball around the globe. Meanwhile, the TNT announcers mocked and derided his gesture and everything else about his participation in the contest. Their comments were sophomoric at best and xenophobic at worst, and if I were Fernandez, those comments might make me seriously reconsider my decision to forego a huge payday in the European league for the “opportunity” to come play for less money in the NBA. I hope that Spanish viewers turn off their televisions in droves in response to this, until the NBA can find some announcers who respect the game of basketball as an international sport.
I could write another page about how idiotic it was to bother to invite Fernandez and J.R. Smith to the dunk contest in the first place, given how obvious it was that the outcome had been scripted and pre-determined, but I am too disgusted to keep typing.
p.s.
I wish there was some way that we could CC: Rudy on all of our mails to the NBA office so that he knows that not all Americans are ignorant tools like the TNT broadcasters are…
by c'est bon on Feb 17, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
if you post it on his blog
i’m pretty sure he will read it. i mean he went through all the trouble of choosing the winners for the “give Rudy ideas for the slam dunk competition” segment, and he also commented on why he chose them AND used one of them in the contest (Fernando Martin). :)
Saw the video
and it rubbed me the wrong way.
I think they’re babbling idiots and thus you have an idiotic statement. I don’t mean that as insult, but when you pay people to babble, a lot of times that babbling can be idiotic.
If the Spaniards had been black, and the announcers white, the statements would have been met with outrage.
Instead the players were “white” and the announcers black, so it’s “okay” to the general public.
The comments themselves were idiotic, but I believe they were meant to be harmless. Then again, so were the comments of whites against blacks back in the day. It was the racism of the time.
What rubs me MORE the wrong way was the blatant disrespect. Rudy did very well, and the announcers were ripping him apart from the get go and attempting to make him look less than what he was. He was “amateur” and attacked from the get go.
All-star weekend is just dumb. It’s rigged and I really don’t expect more than a WWF type format. It just disgusts me, and really I don’t pay it much attention anymore anyway. What’s sad is that the rigging is so blatant and because of that, for me, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the league in general.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
From the glossary of the MPBA:
Inside the NBA—-Premier program of NBA analysis where Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, and strait man Ernie Johnson good-naturedly trash everyone in sight and sedulously avoid any real technical talk.
Don't Redeactivate Shavlik Randolph
whoa "sedulously"?
Nice vocab TNT lackey. Maybe that person should be given a mic.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Oh excuse me
the acronym went right over my head on the first reading and I assumed you were quoting from a turner affiliated website.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
rudy's blog on the all-star weekend
Apparently he got a lot of encouragement from other players and fans after the dunk contest, so he knows it was rigged and that he got jobbed… and he seems to have no hard feelings:
i sent this
As an American NBA fan I was embarrassed by Kenny and Reggie’s commentary on Rudy Fernandez’s tribute to Martin during the Slam Dunk Contest.
Imagine a foreign broadcaster mocking a tribute to one of our fallen national heroes.
An on-air apology is in order.
ANYONE needs to point this out
Has anyone seen anything from a big name columnist or news person complaining about Smith yet? The blog world is ripping Smith apart, but so far I haven’t seen a big name do it.
Simmons mentioned it on a podcast
but then him and House quickly conceeded that he was trying too hard to be Barkley
Yeah I listened to that
I was really hoping they would go off since Simmons usually speaks his mind. Too bad they didn’t. Oh well, life goes on. In a year Rudy will be a better player than Smith ever was. He’s already a better dunker.
sarcasm ,saterday night live style
i was privy to a audio exchange of the slam dunk contest as it was reported by a spanish commentator crew. The remarks were without a doubt the most racist drivle i have ever heard .below is a transcript;
Kenny andez refering to dwight, “i hope this man has something to show because no one in spain knows who he is” he has a face only a mother could love.
reggie andez refering to dwight howard wearing a martin luther king jersey, who`s King , is that rodney ?
Kennyandez, If we knew who king was, rodney, steven?
i dont know which king is it rodney, wheres the l.a.p.d.?
reggieandez- cant we all just get along. ha ha
Kennyandez boy, i thought i had big lips before i saw dwight howard!!
kennyandez- whats with the lame phone booth sh**, this just shows the unprofession amatuerism of the american black male. ha ha ! i`m calling out the entire country of american blacks!!!
kennyandez- Howard couldnt make that dunk on a nerf hoop!! do you see the size of his hands, these are the direct result of having to grab watermellons from his older brother in order to eat as a kid.
reggie- he cant do this dunk because he jumps too high !!!!
boy ,i`m glad the professional folks at tnt were the ones to cover this event ,can you imagine if this kind of thing was broadcast in todays america?
by 2phattoplay on Feb 17, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Can't tell if you're serious or not so I will explain!
Picture some white Spanish announcers saying the above things about Dwight Howard. How well would that go over and how long would the NAACP wait before attacking Kenny Andez and Reggie Andez?
Love the idea, but would be a lot funnier/easier to read if the layout was better. (Quotes, colon after person’s name, etc.)
and this
is why I suggested we avoid talking about racism at all. It’s wrongheaded. You don’t flip disrespect in a dunk contest to somehow be equivalent to four hundred years of oppression. You see how that doesn’t work. Abandon this avenue of thought as it is only inflammatory. I entreat you.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Racism is racism
Whether it takes a second or a thousand years.
You are correct that the inflammatory reaction some people have towards racism is not what we are going for here.
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 17, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Semantic?
Racism is racism. However the post above is attempting to flip the situation as if it were equivalent. It’s not. Enough said.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Am I reading this right?
Are you saying that black people can say anything they want and white people can’t? Again, this is probably getting way off topic, but that’s completely wrong and it’s probably logic like that that allows Kenny Smith to say the trash he does.
Ok who wants to fight?
Me? I’m bored. I’m saying what Kenny said was juvenile and idiotic not to mention small minded and disrespectful, However I’m not saying It’s racist. I’m not saying that because that leads to a completely irrelevant argument that muddles the discussion and frankly can’t be won. My logic doesn’t enable Kenny smith to do jack. Your deduction from my statement is loaded and like you said, way off topic. If you really want to get into the dynamics of race relations in America thinking it will somehow resolve a secondary behavioral issue you must not have been paying attention for the past 40 years. Kenny shouldn’t have been shooting his mouth about something he didn’t understand and “calling out a whole nation” , likewise 2fat2play should not throw around watermelons and MLK thinking it’s an equivalent slight. It’s not the same and you know it. I understand the point he was trying to make, and that point can and has been made in a far more delicate manner in several posts here. If you’re going to complain about someone being insensitive in their comments you can at least take the time to avoid a similar pitfall. Does that logic fail you?
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Heh
I believe I was the first to say that the MLK comparison wasn’t legit.
And I don’t believe I was insensitive to you in my comments, but oh well, life goes on. (Stream of consciousness ftl.)
Oh no no I'm using "you" loosly to refer to Kenny and Reggie
I don’t think you were being insensitive to me at all. Far from it. I’ve been playing devils advocate all over this thread. I should just let it go. Clearly we both get it. thanks.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
But it is racist.
You don’t mind calling out the post as racist and inflammatory, and it is on a blog, not watched live by millions including kids.
How do you live with that discrepancy?
There is no discrepancy.
I don’t mind calling out a post as racist, because it is racist, with a capital R and brings up a litany of slurs that have a much deeper historical and cultural impact than the deplorable, yet relatively shallow comments made by Reggie and Kenny on air.
It’s a matter of looking at the big picture. Follow the racist argument down to it’s conclusion and witness the mire you will find the discussion in. I’ll say this for the umpteenth time, the two are not equivalent. Here’s an analogy: Say you throw a stone at me and in turn I denounce you as violent by reminding you that you had an atom bomb dropped on you. I’m not suggesting culpability for the bomb necessarily, and were I too we’d be taking the express lane into said mire, just noting that it isn’t advantageous to the discussion to introduce such a loaded argument. Particularly when pointing out that the comments were primarily disrespectful. No more be said or made of it. To escalate the situation by calling them racist is shortsighted and frankly absurd. How many ways can I restate this?
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Both are violent
You seem to be saying that the entire history of collective racism against black American’s of African descent is much greater than the one incident of racism that was shown at the dunk contest.
Well, you’re certainly right, but that means that the dunk night stuff did include racism.
We are not organizing an abolitionist movement here. We are not even trying to get Smith fired. We are just asking TNT to be a bit more civil when it comes to racial comments.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I have a feeling Stuckey means that he doesn't find your humor funny.
Not that he doesn’t understand it.
".. is gumby an alien?"
isnt that the underlying point
sometimes with issues like this you have to turn it around and show the other side what your upset about . if you dont raise a few eyebrows ,what the point.
I tend to agree...
But if you accidently hurt someone while doing it, it might not be worth it.
I thought it was some great irony that drove home the point to those who considered the comments not racist. But I have managed a positive attitude, luckily, when racism has been directed at me. For others, it might bring back bad memories.
The point being, we’re trying to fix something here, not make everyone feel the same pain.
".. is gumby an alien?"
He's simply pointing out the double standard.
Comparing Martin to MLK is quite the stretch, but other than that it works pretty well.
In case you hadn't noticed it.. I got it. One of those rec's is mine.
Thanks for trying to help, though.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I know you got it
But it looks like you feel for some of the people who don’t or find it offensive. Unacceptable! You will laugh or leave! Please.
:-)
go see my above comment.
I will if I need to lay this all out for you. I have the time tonight. I hope we can see eye to eye about it.
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
it wasnt meant to be funny
just thought prevoking
Just filed my complaint with NBA.
Cheers for the link Dario!
by Dr. Strangelove on Feb 17, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions
Could you over-react anymore?
This is out of hand, they didn’t know who martin was and just seemed suprised that Rudy changed his jersey without any real build-up or apperent reason. Sure, it was touching, but maybe he should have let the broadcasters know before hand and this could have been avoided?
Either way, complete over-reaction.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
FYI
The broadcasters appeared to clearly know beforehand, hence their prepared graphic.
How is asking the NBA to treat whole nations with respect overreacting?
".. is gumby an alien?"
This is not-disrespect to an entire nation
Just saying that is even more of an over-reaction. This is just people being overly sensitive to a scenario that was not handled perfectly by a broadcast team. People need to get a grip.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
Someone called out all of Spain.
Yes, it was a joke.
Yes, it was inappropriate.
What is wrong with voicing our opinion that we thought something was done in an offensive manner?
".. is gumby an alien?"
by staylost on Feb 17, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Umm
1. As mentioned they had a graphic ready. The third announcer also knew what was going on, but Reggie and Kenny were too busy talking for him to say anything.
2. Not recognizing the tribute wasn’t the insult to the country. During the Gasol/Rudy issues they insult the country as a whole.
3. In between they throw in a lot more shots at Rudy. Cook also ate a lot of these. Too bad the dunk competition isn’t based solely on merit like the 3pt shootout. Woulda been fun to see Kenny eat his words twice.
What was wrong in the Gasol/Rudy part?
Other than Rudy being entirely ripped off by the judges…I must have missed it.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
I get the idea that you are being purposefully oblique but,
I see that maybe you would be happier in a world where announcers would, outside of parody, say things like “I thought I had squinty eyes until Ming walked out!” or “We are really seeing the amateurism of British here today!” or “I just called out the whole country of India!”
".. is gumby an alien?"
haha
I was actually being serious there, I don’t know what was said at that point in the broadcast. could you fill me in?
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
Switch my examples to represent Rudy and Spain and you've got the low parts.
The remarks wouldn’t have been nearly as inappropriate if they had been made in a less hostile context (a context created by the announcers).
(If you’re really sure you are serious there is a link to the broadcast near the top of this thread.)
".. is gumby an alien?"
Ok, ok, I re-watched it.
There was one comment about the “amateurism of spain” that was a bit out of line, but really? that’s what all the fuss is about? It just seemed like a joke in bad taste to me, if that.
And with the beginning with the Martin jersey, how are people even upset about that? They are messing around a little at first but explain the background of Martin and even say how it was a “great tribute”. I really don’t understand how people can throw their toys about something of this magnitude.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
the toys are most entertaining when thrown.
And what is this blog if not a sandbox. Nobody has delusions about it, do they?
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
Racism is often a joke in bad taste.
I think you overestimate the strength of our reaction to the broadcast. A few people have written short emails. We want the NBA to be aware of the situation and to improve.
You appear to be twisting the situation surrounding the tribute a bit because it was not nearly so neat as what you are presenting. I believe Marv Albert treated the tribute with respect. The other guys were largely rude.
“amateurism of Spain” is a fundementally racist remark even if not meant that way.
".. is gumby an alien?"
They only said it was a "great tribute"
when the graphic showed up and Kevin Harlan explained what was happening.
They got caught in the act of trying to make fun of someone’s tribute and looked foolish on national TV. The only reason they said it was a “great tribute” was because they got caught.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
overreaction?
they showed the graffic of martins right about the same time as they were commenting "who is this guy. If they had the graffic it means the crew was too lazy or didnt care about it . the producers had the graffic so the crew should of been informed and they wern`t because they didnt regard fernandez as someone who mattered or should be shown respect.
there could have been many reasons for the crew not being properly informed
And yeah, it was a slip up and looked a little sloppy. But people taking this as a form of disprespect and getting their panties in a bunch is just crazy. Arn’t there bigger things to worry about? People arn’t perfect.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
Again
Not being informed is the least of the issues. The overall disrespect throughout the competition is. Smith goes out of his way to take shots at Rudy, while going out of his way to have sex with the other 3.
I will agree with part of that
How Dwight got 50’s on both of his first dunks is just beyond me…they deserved a combined score of 50.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
lol
“Arn’t there bigger things to worry about?”
Then why are you doing something even smaller than what we are doing. We are working on something to try to make the NBA a better place. Your “bigger” thing is to try to dissuade us?
".. is gumby an alien?"
No
I’m trying to say people shouldn’t get so worked up about something that really wasn’t done with any malintent.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
"Malintent" isn't the point. It is the standard of treatment.
When certain boundries are passed some sort of clarification or apology is appropriate.
".. is gumby an alien?"
well then it all comes down to a matter of boundaries.
which people need to relax on, if a small slip-up like that is “crossing bundaries” you probably shouldn’t leave your house in the morning.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
You are insinuating I hold every individual outside of my house to the same level as the NBA
I think the NBA would hope that they hold themselves to some modicum of fair treatment and professionalism. It is for this reason that we alert them to their apparent missteps.
I am entirely relaxed. If I weren’t, then I would’ve written an angry letter the night of the contest. Rather, it is reason that has dictated I take action.
".. is gumby an alien?"
Maybe I am just corrupted from watching "Hockey Night in Canada"
After hearing the things Don Cherry says on air, stuff like this won’t make us bat an eye-lash. I understand that everyone is upset about how Rudy was judged, and I fully agree, but no reason to blow everything out of proportion. You guys are treating this like it was a hate-crime.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
I don't
"Bayless is awesome." -Clyde Drexler
by pxilpooshr on Feb 17, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Another case of classless, rigged NBA....
We knew from the get go Rudy was going to get hosed. Stern wants the Allstar game to be a marketing tool to get more people to watch the NBA. I can just picture him now on the phone telling the judges the scores to give out. Come on 50 on a dunk that took Howard multiple tries. Rudy’s dunk was absolutely sick I just wish Gasol didn’t try and make himself look cool with the pass, that was supposed to be your boy, get it right not tight.
The thing I didn’t expect was the cast of TNTrashy to absolutely undermine the importance of what Rudy was trying to get across with his tribute. Even if people didn’t know who Martin was they certainly didn’t care after the broadcast turned into a your mommas joke contest each person trying to one up the next with Martin Lawrence and Ricky Martin jokes. At that moment the dunk had already happened and people were sidetracked with trashy commentary, pretty much alleviating what Rudy was trying to do. It was like the guy never had a chance to go anywhere in the contest, nor did he ever have a chance to put his Country in the spotlight or himself for that matter. If it was going to be up to a couple of American NBA vets they weren’t going to let some white foreigner come in here and steal the show, which I honestly thought he could have. Not after that drubbing though.
Stern needs to be more concerned with corrupted officials rigging games to get a little scratch on the side, and not sweeping such prevalent issues under the rug without actually investigating claims of other officials participating. I can just hear Stern now “corrupted officials? No, not in the NBA, just the one and that is well behind us now. Now look over here and watch the Superman vs Lex Luther soap opera. That should hold em for a while. We have to start working on new material though this wont hold em long.”
by JmarcL4 on Feb 17, 2009 3:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's probably not the tack that will encourage TNT or the NBA to review the slam dunk contest coverage.
Although I’m sure more than a few of us are feeling what you just said.
".. is gumby an alien?"
I didn't send that to TNT....
I was just venting a little to my B edge brothers and sisters. I am working on sending a much more professional and less Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theoryesk based email. Gotta admit it’s pretty funny though.
Question....
If Howard dunked on a hoop set to 12 feet and got a 50. What score do you get if you dunk on a hoop set to 12 feet 1 inch?
BTW, if you look at the rim of the “12 foot” hoop, it looks level with the top of the square of the 10 foot hoop. That square is 18 inches above the rim. Wouldn’t that make it 11 and half feet? Some angles kind of skew the perspective but there are a couple that are spot on. I don’t really care if they want to call it 20 feet. He was getting a 50 anyway.
I missed a home game last year....I'm just now recovering!
I think for Rudy's second dunk he should have gotten out a cardboard cut out of Howard
and placed it under the hoop and dunked on it, just like in the Olympics. That would have gotten him a 50!!!
BTW, emailed TNT, and they all suck!!!!
...things go well I might be showing my O face...O...O...O...you know what I'm talking about.
No Doubt that would have been hilarious!
But then he would have had put on that fugly Spain jersey.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 18, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the link
I finally got around to sending the league my two cents. What a shameful, embarrassing episode that was. I used to like Kenny Smith…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
The difference is that for the Spanish picture to be racist,
You have to assume that epicanthic folds are derogatory.
TNT was obviously derogatory.
".. is gumby an alien?"
So...
something planned and orchestrated that makes fun of a physical trait of the chinese is ok, but an accidental slip-up by a broadcaster that may have offended a few overly sensitive people is not? I don’t really see the logic there. If that were the case you would think this incident over the weekend would be all over the news while the olympic pictures woud have just been chattered about by a few angry bloggers…
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
You have a point, but what I am driving at is stuff like this is a much bigger problem if it is done with a hostile attitude.
For the record, I’ve not heard of any Spanish person feeling disrespected. This isn’t about Spanish feelings. It’s about derogatory comments aimed at race.
I do agree that the picture was a very bad idea because many Chinese appear to be sensitive about part of their genetic heritage. Personally, I think epicanthic folds make for very attractive eyes.
".. is gumby an alien?"
LOL at cultural awareness
Europe isn’t ridiculously PC like America is. Slapstick humor, quasiracist humor, and all that good stuff is commonplace. Granted, on a world stage they should learn to adapt to the culture, but all in all, most of Europe wasn’t offended by this.
America is on the ultra PC end of things. To the point that it is tiresome. We have “Winter Break” and the pledge of alliegence under “_.” Our culture says that we don’t say racist comments unless it’s about our own race. I think this is a stupid rule, but if we have to follow it, then EVERYONE should have to follow it. Kenny Smith included!
Also, this was just the icing on the cake. Smith’s comments for the entire duration were just crap. The spew that comes forth from his mouth makes Barkley look like a genius. The blatant (and repeated) shots at Rudy just put my Smith hate over the top.
I see...
As a non-american, I’m really not used to the “ultra PC” behavior, and I still can’t believe that something that appears so small to me can stir up so much anger.
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
Ahh, gotcha
Not sure where you are from, but I guess I was wrong. It’s not Europe’s culture you’re unfamiliar with, it’s ours!
In America we’re stupidly PC. It’s terrible. Even today the Washington Post is getting in trouble for having a cartoon of a cop shooting a monkey and saying that they need to find someone new to do our stimulus package. People are all over this saying that the monkey portrays Obama. MONKEYS AS AN IDIOT REFERENCE GOES BACK CENTURIES. People just choose to find racism where it doesn’t exist.
Regardless, that’s how America runs these days, BUT we have a wonderful double standard where if you’re not white you can say what you please. I’ll catch grief for this, but in current America it is true.
We need to be either ultra PC all around, or just drop it period. I’m all for dropping it since people need to grow up a little bit, but until we drop it, I will complain when some people get passes and others don’t.
And do you not remember...
the Spanish team beingf castigated for it? And having to issue an apology over it?
Just saying, Kenny and Reggie got a free pass….the Spanish national team…not so much.
by antediluvian on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
My letter to the NBA
"All-Star weekend was really tainted for me. My mother is trapped by emphysema in a nursing home and follows the Blazers and especially Rudy very closely. She loves watching Rudy Fernandez and I can’t tell you how much it hurt her seeing Rudy being laughed out of the slam dunk competition by the announcers and the judges. It is obvious that the outcome was fixed. No respect was paid to the players not destined to win, and no consideration of the dunks themselves in the voting. Why pretend that it is even a competition?
"I am continuing to lose respect for the NBA as a product. I find it more difficult to follow my team when I find myself wondering to what degree calls are being made to benefit the league as entertainment reliant on all-stars versus presentation of great basketball competition on a level playing field.
“Help me, here. What do I tell my mother?”
by LaoTzu on Feb 18, 2009 5:20 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Did anyone really think that the outcome of that dunk "contest" would turn out any other way?
OF COURSE it was staged! Did anyone pay the slightest attention to the endless promos the NBA was running. 97% Dwight and Nate… An accident? An oversight? HA!!!
There is no way to “objectively” score a pseudo-sport like a dunk contest in any event… OF COURSE the finalists were who they were. And the man in the kryptonite suit leaped over “Superman” to sensationally win the contest.
Big time wrestling all the way… If you thought it was gonna be anything else, now you are older and wiser… You want MMA, watch MMA. Just don’t go to a Globetrotters game and expect the Washington Generals to pull it out with a 40 foot buzzer-beater…
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
BTW: Spoiler alert!
Next year LeBron wins…
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
by timbo on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd and sent
Here’s what I sent Reggie:
Reggie,
Good job falling asleep in the pre-show meeting. You must have missed the part where the producer talked about the premade graphic he had for when Rudy Fernandez was paying tribude to Fernando Martin.
Instead, because you didn’t pay attention, you chose to ignorantly make fun of Rudy’s tribute, before Kevin Harlan put you in your place by explaining what was happening.
Hearing the silence after you got shut up was hilarious. You really looked like an ass on national TV. You made fun of someone for paying tribute to someone who died. Good job.
I hope you know that basketball fans are pretty ticked off at the comments made by you and Kenny Smith at the dunk contest regarding Rudy’s tribute and nationality. Would you care to explain what the two of you meant by mocking Rudy’s tribute, or by referring to the “amaturism of spain?”
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 PM PST reply actions
























