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Taking Stock--Part II

Time to continue our look at what we've learned so far about this team by detailing the progress of individual players.  We start today with the Big Three. 

Brandon Roy 

Major Stats:  22.7 ppg, 5.1 ast, 4.7 reb, 47.4% fg, 39.2% 3-pt, 82.9% ft, 6.7 fts/game, 2.59 ast/to ratio

That stat line says it all...almost anyway.  Brandon's rookie year excellence and All-Star sophomore seasons weren't flukes.  This guy is a legitimate star.  He's scoring star-level points, getting star-level free-throw attempts, shooting a star-level percentage, and filling in the rest of the boxscore nicely.  He's also been the linchpin of the team this year.  The Blazers have scored better, rebounded better, and kept better care of the ball when he's been on the court.  All of those areas are keys to Portland's success this year.  Despite the strong second unit this team languishes without him.

That's not to say Roy is the perfect player.  Until a rebound is called for, Portland's defense is better with him off the court.  There could be mitigating circumstances here, for instance his off-court minutes coming when the opposing second unit is playing, usually a weaker scoring bunch.  However Brandon is at least part of the Blazers' overall defensive weakness.  The least you can say is that it would help greatly to surround him with a couple solid defensive players, taking the pressure off of him to carry that end of the game as well.  The Blazers also average fewer assisted shots when Brandon plays than when he sits.  Part of this could be the Sergio effect.  (Assist freak, second unit, unusual statistical situation.)  But your eyes will tell you that Brandon is taking more responsibility for the offense this year and not just by taking more shots than he ever has.  He's handled the ball more.  His 2.59 assist-to-turnover ratio trails only Steve Blake on the team, but Brandon also controls the ball in a way Steve doesn't.  Your eyes should also tell you that the Blazers have needed that, though.  They've certainly prospered offensively and in the win-loss column.

Flaws and foibles aside, there's no doubt Brandon has answered most of the questions put before him.  His rookie season was a revelation.  His sophomore season was a graduation.  This year he goes for his Master's degree.  The challenge:  Is he fit to lead a winning team into the post-season?  So far he's passed with flying colors.  Barring injury (another question he has to answer) or a total collapse, he'll receive that advanced degree this year and be on his way to a Doctorate next season, ranking with the very best players in the league.  Let there be no doubt anymore.  This guy is not overrated.  He's a star, he's a winner, and he's for real.

What We Need to See in the Last 30 Games:  The finishing stretch to the playoffs is going to be difficult, more so since it is uncharted territory for this team.  It's going to be an extra challenge for Brandon because he's not only going to have to maintain his own game against increasing pressure, he's going to have to instill confidence in his teammates and make them better on the court.  This team has a ton of talent outside of Roy but it lacks direction and backbone.  Brandon is the only player who can provide those right now.  This playoff run is on him.  Welcome to the other side of stardom.

Lamarcus Aldridge

Major Stats:  17.6 ppg, 6.8 reb, 2.8 off. reb, 48.9% fg

In many ways the questions surrounding Lamarcus Aldridge this year were the same as those surrounding Roy.  Is he a star?  Will his game continue evolving?  Can he carve out a role on this increasingly crowded roster?  Lamarcus has spent his first two years in the league as an accompaniment piece to Brandon in people's minds if not on the court.  Can he shine in his own right and prove just as invaluable to the team as his draft-mate?

There's little doubt that Lamarcus is positioned as one of the best young small power forwards in the league.  While he's not scoring at Brandon's rate he's not directing the offense either.  His steady scoring and high field goal percentages are more remarkable this year than they were last because the power forward offense has changed with Greg Oden coming onboard and Lamarcus' game has become increasingly perimeter-oriented.  70% of his shots are jumpers.  More than 90% of his shots come with half or more of the shot clock expired.  Without inside or quick-hitting (i.e. open and unguarded) shots it's a miracle he's shooting as well as he is.

Lamarcus is one of two decent, proven big-man defenders the Blazers have.  He's shown himself apt at jumping out and recovering on screens.  As a power forward in the modern era he has to play against potent opponents most nights and he's not an easy night for them.

Lamarcus is also our best big-man finisher on the break, though he doesn't get to show this aspect of his game much.

The basic criticisms of Lamarcus' game are three.  First, he doesn't get the ball inside enough.  He should be able to drive or spin past defenders.  He too often settles for turn-around fade-aways...not what you want to see out of your 6'11" guy even in the new NBA.  Second, he doesn't rebound enough.  Third, his production seems to have flat-lined this year.  He's averaging the same amount of points and fewer of almost everything else though technically he's getting a tiny bit more playing time.  Lamarcus is supposed to be the Blazer with the best combination of ceiling and potential to meet it.  A no-growth season seems to betray that assessment.

The first criticism is well-founded.  Lamarcus scores easily when his feet touch paint instead of varnish.  He doesn't appear to be determined enough to get inside.  His defensive mobility may betray him when it comes to rebounding.  He's one of the best offensive rebounders in the league but he's seldom in position to clean up the defensive boards.  This is as much a feature of the defense as it is a shortcoming in Lamarcus, though again more determination would help.  The level statistical production is not as bad as it looks and certainly not indicative that Lamarcus has reached his peak.  If Lamarcus became the sole focus of the offense he'd easily be able to score 20+ as Roy does.  In a different defensive setup he could grab 3-4 extra rebounds that are now going to the Blazer centers.  Eventually these things may happen.  For now Lamarcus is producing steadily in potentially turbulent times.

The best indicator of Lamarcus' value is not his play considered in isolation, but his effect on the team.  Lamarcus actually brings a greater leap in the team's offensive production than Brandon Roy does.  The Blazers also rebound and defend better when Lamarcus is on the floor.  This exceeds Roy's influence on team numbers both in breadth and intensity.  Though he's nowhere near the statistical marvel that Brandon is, the team actually relies on him just as much, if not more.  Whatever flaws he might have, Lamarcus' threat on offense and range on defense cannot be easily replaced.

What We Need to See in the Last 30 Games:  For the most part, Lamarcus just needs to keep doing what he's doing:  finishing plays on offense and staying in between opponents and the rim on defense.  There will be at least a couple games where we will need him to step up and dominate.  Some 30-point nights from LMA would win us games.  The key there is getting inside and drawing fouls.

Greg Oden

Key Stats:  22.9 mpg, 56.8 fg%, 9.0 ppg, 7.2 reb, 2.9 off. reb, 3.6 fts/game, 3.9 fouls/game

The most obvious bullet point in that stat line is Oden's 4 fouls per 23 minutes rate.  Everything else happening between Oden, his teammates, and the opponents is in some way triggered by his inability to stay on the floor consistently.  We've seen Greg excel against weaker opponents but against quick, athletic centers or guys his size he's had problems getting enough minutes and momentum to make a difference.  This has made it hard for the Blazers to count on him and hard to gauge his progress effectively.

Discounting the fouls, however, things are not going too poorly.  Oden hasn't just been committing fouls, he's been drawing them as well.  Extend 3.6 free throws in 23 minutes to a full game and you're not far from star status in that department, and this 50 games into his first season.  He's simply too much for most opponents to handle.  Oden's rebounding rate is also fantastic.  He's already a premier offensive rebounder and he's on track to become one of the best overall rebounders in the league.  His field goal percentage is stellar, bumped up by a litany of dunks.  His back-to-the-basket game is improving week by week as well.  He is not ready to be a regular option but you're seeing signs of his jump hook and spin moves someday being as devastating as his throwdowns. 

Aside from fouling, Oden's chief weaknesses so far have been mobility, recognition, and intensity.  All three evidence themselves in the same way:  an apparent lack of speed.  When he gets his mojo working it quickly becomes apparent that this is illusionary.  He actually covers ground quite well for a 7-foot, incredibly muscled strongman.  His knee surgery and conditioning hampered his movement early.  He's still learning the game as well.  It doesn't show as starkly on offense as his range is far more limited there than what he's required to display defensively.  By the time he recognizes a play on the defensive end and reacts appropriately he's often two steps behind, of which he can only make up one.  When he is on top of things Oden has shown himself able to shut down the paint all by himself.  It hasn't helped that the camera has caught him trotting downcourt or wandering around the lane during his lesser games.  You can immediately tell what kind of night it's going to be for Greg by how fast his sneakers are moving.  Unlike the other factors slowing his production, this is wholly in his control.  As he's felt more involved his effort has looked better, but he still has to realize that this game needs to be wrested off of its hinges and carried away instead of accepted passively. 

So far the main area of Greg's statistical contribution has been rebounding.  The Blazers score marginally better with him on the court but their defense actually suffers somewhat.  This only factors in measurable quantities, however.  Greg has already had an effect on the Blazer offense by being a legitimate dunking and offensive rebounding threat.  Opponents now have to stay home on our big men instead of sending extra men to roam free.  That contributes to the offensive success the rest of the team is enjoying.  Every three-point shooter on the roster is having a better year because of Greg Oden.  Oden has also shown himself a willing passer.  His effect on the team offense should only rise from here.

Those who say Oden's showing so far has been a disappointment are correct.  Those who are satisfied with what they've seen and anticipate much more in the future are also correct.  This is not the kind of season most folks envisioned when Oden was drafted #1 overall two years ago.  Yet these are the roots of exactly the kind of improvement (rebounding, synergy in the offense, possible intimidating defensive presence in the middle) that will transform the Blazers from a nice team into a serious threat.

What We Need to See in the Last 30 Games:  Rebounding mostly, but also a continued threat in the low block.  More speed, fewer fouls.  It's pretty obvious that our success or failure can't (and won't) ride on Oden's shoulders this year.  He needs to be the backstop on which the rest of the players rely to prevent wild plays from happening.

Next:  The Rotation Players 

See assorted stats at 82Games.com.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I am nervous about these next 30 games. All of them will count and anything can really happen in the West since there are basically 7 teams jockeying for 9 spots. Let’s hope the Big 3 can maintain/step up

I think you said LA was a SF at one point.

"Cathartic? I didn't go to college, I don't know what cathartic means."
Kobe Bryant

by kono on Feb 16, 2009 1:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I never thought BRoy would be as good as he is...

I also expected much more from LMA. He should be averaging 20+ points and 9 boards. LMA still has a huge ceiling but he needs to pick it up next year. I thought Greg would absolutely dominate this year because of the media hype (especially Jason Quick) saying he would be an all star and the hands down R.O.Y.

The future is still amazing and I can’t wait for the playoffs

by EazyRider on Feb 16, 2009 1:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Roy- Roy’s game is simply amazing, but what do you think about his leadership? Do you think Roy is the guy who can get his team motivated? I still question this because of his tiff with LA, the tiff he seems to have with Sergio, and the dunk competition wtf moment. Even if he wasn’t lobbing to Rudy, he should have been there to cheer his teammate on?

First off, I’m in no way comparing Roy’s level of game to MJ or Kobe. The thing is MJ had the leadership that made everyone around him better on the court AND during practice. Kobe doesn’t have this. MJ has 6 finals MVPs and Kobe has 1. Will Roy ever be able to get this, even if not on MJ’s level?

LA- Will LA show more improvement next year? I like that LA has an outside shot, it’s a major weapon for a guy his size and can mess with defenses too. I know he can take it inside when he wants too. Will he combine these next year to become a ridiculous player? Despite his stats not moving up this year, he has clearly expanded his game. Also, we have more offensive weapons than last year, so scoring the same amount is tough to do. (Scoring more like Roy is just silly.) Will LMA be able to combine all the strengths of his games to become the player he can be? Also, will he choose to hit the boards as opposed to the break?

Oden- Media overhyped him, ignoring his age and injury. Once he started slow the media underhyped him as a bust. Screw the media. I have no question for Greg other than how good will he be? We can’t answer this, only the tail end of this year and next year will show what kind of potential he has.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 1:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

age?
Oden- Media overhyped him, ignoring his age and injury.

Hardly—quite the opposite: the media OVEREMPHASIZED Oden’s advanced age. He’s a lot more spry than most baby boomers.

by Marvin100 on Feb 16, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

J Quick claimed Oden would be an all-star.

To me, that’s an “over-hyped” statement.

by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 16, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He said "this year"

Don’t remember the exact quote, but the gist of it was “Who else is there that’s better than Oden? Shaq?” Of course, this before the second coming of the Big Cactus.

by zaruga on Feb 16, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is MJ had the leadership that made everyone around him better on the court AND during practice. Kobe doesn’t have this

Kobe does have it, but he doesn’t have the reputation for it. I don’t have any article to link to or anything, but they talk about Kobe in one of the recent Bill Simmons podcasts. Kobe has got and insane work ethic, and from what i gather (lakers are real good) it works out well for the team.

by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Jordan found ways to win even when the matchups said they shouldn’t win.
Kobe found ways to lose even when the matchups said they should win.

The guy is good, but his ability to lead/win isn’t there like it was for MJ.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gen X fuzzy memories . . .

       Jordan was not the leader or presence in his early
years, nor was Clyde. If you will remember it was
Bill Cartwright & Charles Oakley that were the veteran leaders.
Most 1st thru 3rd year players are players who play and lead
with their play on the court, not in the locker room. Don’t get confused
by your recollections of him in his later years. Leadership used to
be earned in the old school days (Pre-1995 ?), not handed over by a
star worshipping media/talking heads group. Today’s instant gratification
society wants STAR worship and proclamation of the “Next new Thing”,
almost instantaneously. It’s one of many things wrong with our society
today, in my opinion !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Although Roy doesn’t have a “veteran” guy to let lead the team. Blake/Zilla could be the only possible 2.

That’s why this is a ? going on. I can understand Roy not being the true leader for now, but he needs to develop that. We can look at stats and projections all we want, but leadership/will power are just there.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice perspective on the 3

thoughtful and fair. i think young players at this stage of their development need to be understood rather than fantasized about and then critiqued when they don’t fit some video-game inflected ideal. they’re sensitive, and it’s hard work, a very hard job.

brandon, lamarcus and greg have each at times been spectacular, and it’s a matter if them settling down and fully coming to terms with what it will take to impose their will on the league. it’s such a mixture of both mental and physical faculties, habits which become 2nd nature, etc.

this leads to some very exciting basketball for us to watch. we’re fortunate.

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 16, 2009 4:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

With FIVE tries

Gotta make sure to mention that. :-)

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s little doubt that Lamarcus is positioned as one of the best young small forwards in the league.

Downright Freudian. That says it all. One of the best young power small forwards in the league.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Feb 16, 2009 6:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that one had me scatching my head. It might be interesting to see what would happen if he actually played that position but...
There’s little doubt that LaMarcus is positioned as one of the best young small forwards in the league.

NOT!

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by LaMarvelous on Feb 16, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What we want, need, and are begging to see from LMA - PLEASE!
What We Need to See in the Last 30 Games: For the most part, Lamarcus just needs to keep doing what he’s doing: finishing plays on offense and staying in between opponents and the rim on defense. There will be at least a couple games where we will need him to step up and dominate. Some 30-point nights from LMA would win us games. The key there is getting inside and drawing fouls.

Step it up LMA!

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by LaMarvelous on Feb 16, 2009 7:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

about going inside

There has to be some reason LMA doesn’t grind it out inside. Didn’t this come up last year? I thought he got it figured out toward the end of the season.

This has been a problem with blazers’ bigs for a while. Sheed, Zbo, now LMA…

by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know there are a thousand reasons not to do this to a young player...

but still, I’d like to fine (or slap) LMA every time he takes a fadeaway jumper over a smaller opponent. Even when he makes them. Maybe especially when he makes them – almost every game I’ve seen him make one early, it signals a general lack of aggressiveness and willingness to attack the basket for the rest of the game.

The fadeaway jumper is LMA’s unemployment check. If I can get fed this way, why should I actually work?

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

defensive rebounding

LaMarcus is miserable at boxing out his man. Just completely loses focus on this task. And it has cost us.

by Blazin' on Feb 16, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How exactly is Greg Oden one of the "Big Three"??? The problem is that this team doesn't have a "Big Three"...

“Highly touted rookie who platoons at Center.”

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by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 9:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The reason the Portland defense slightly suffers is because Oden is slightly worse on defense than Pryzbilla, and the reason the offense is better with Oden is because Oden is better on offense than Pryzbilla. That is the only reason for either of those two things. I would like to know the average of the center on the other team when Oden is on the floor. That needs to be the next statistical category that is tracked, PPG for the opposing player. That might be interesting. Maybe it is already out there, anyone have that one?

by Brandon684 on Feb 16, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bear in mind also....

……………………. Oden’s supposed offensive prowess (and defensive weakness) generally comes out of undersized Power Forwards faking it at the Center positon — up against “real Centers” in almost invariably gets into foul trouble or is stalemated. Przybilla carries the manly man burden against the “real” centers of the league… If the roles were flipped, Pryz would look better and Oden worse, statistically speaking.

I think we cans safely say this: Pryz rebounds at a somewhat higher rate than Oden; and Oden scores at a somewhat higher rate than Pryz. We can also characterize their role on the team as a “platoon” (both play virtually equal minutes although it might be skewed one way or the other on any given night).

If you are actually speaking of a “big three” on this team this year, that should be: ROY — LMA — OUTLAW.

Amazing, but true.

The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™

by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

God, I wish could spell...

……………………. Oden’s supposed offensive prowess (and defensive weakness) generally comes DURING ACTION AGAINST undersized Power Forwards faking it at the Center positon — up against "real Centers" HE almost invariably gets into foul trouble or is stalemated. Przybilla carries the manly man burden against the "real" centers of the league… If the roles were flipped, Pryz would look better and Oden worse, statistically speaking.

I think we cans safely say this: Pryz rebounds at a somewhat higher rate than Oden; and Oden scores at a somewhat higher rate than Pryz. We can also characterize their role on the team as a "platoon" (both play virtually equal minutes although it might be skewed one way or the other on any given night).

If you are actually speaking of a "big three" on this team this year, that should be: ROY — LMA — OUTLAW.

Amazing, but true.

The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™

by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Outlaw is our third highest scorer..

but I don’t think he is our third best player. I think Oden, Rudy, Przybilla, Blake, and possibly Batum or Bayless are better players than him right now.

by trk on Feb 16, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No to Batum and Bayless

Batum plays solid D, but he’s part of the reason we get off to slow starts I think, he’s just not a real offensive threat. In 3 years I’m wager he’ll be well above Outlaw though.

Bayless… no. Bayless has won us a game or two possibly, but he’s also lost us a few games. Outlaw has won us quite a few games and lost us a few games. Another one that in 3 years should be a lot better than Outlaw though.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You underrate Roy

and way overrate LMA.

Roy’s only problem right now is that he only can play one style of ball, and that means we can only play one style of ball. We’re vulnerable to the open court teams like GSW and the Knicks because of it. We’re even more vulnerable than most to defenses like the Spurs and the Celts because of it.

Start watching our games on tivo and rewind and review every dunk and layup we give up. You’ll see a large number of them result from LMA’s reluctance to play help defense. Yes, his production flatlining, his tendency to play an inefficient jumpshooting game, and his tendency to ignore the defensive boards are all issues, but those pale compared to his crappy interior defensive play; LMA’s a huge contributor to our overall bad defense.

by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that LMA is generally overrated by Blazers fans. Reluctance to include him in a trade for Bosh being exhibit A-prime-prime-prime of that overrating.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 16, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And any mention of ASG

LA is a solid player, but he’s not even in consideration for all star contention yet. Why people discussed him as a possible All-Star this year is beyond me.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy's problem

also means that players who want to go-go-go like Rudy suffer. Roy and Nate seem to be bullheaded about loosening the reins. This team can be so much better playing up-tempo basketball. Roy needs to adapt-let the team run and get into a better flow throughout the game, then choose his spots for his iso game: 1. The team is struggling and needs to be settled down. 2. End of shot clock, end of quarter situations. 3. Fourth quarter money time.

"And look at Robin dancin' around Ha Ha Haaaah!

by The Rubberband Man on Feb 16, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will once AGAIN cite GS quarter 4

Portland went into the hurry up offense and just had their way with Golden State. You can say “well it’s Golden State,” but that doesn’t explain why we only scored 36 in the 4th and didn’t even get close any other quarter.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We are the youngest team in the NBA . . .

      and defense is the hardest part of the game. It’s also
the least focused part of teaching and coaching from Junior
High on up to the NBA. Think about it. The whole AND1 /
Star Worship media/ video game culture preaches score/dunk/
shimmy shake. The only way you can be a star is to make highlight
plays. Even on defense it’s about blocking it into the 3rd row, many
times negating a possible block to a teammate for an easy fast break
bucket. Bill Russell is one of the greatest, if not the GREATEST player
ever because he was about winning. He tap blocked shots to give his team
extra possesions and easy buckets. Watch some tape !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

... and your point is?

I agree that a player needs to be motivated to play defense, since it’s pretty easy for a decent offensive player to coast on that end on a lot of teams. LMA is one of those players who coasts.

by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point . . .

      is that he is midway thru his 3rd year, after one year of college (2nd injured).
He’s long and lanky, which dosen’t give him a lot of core strength
and lower body balance to battle the powerful PF’s of this league.
He’s a slightly above average one on one defender, but much better
off the ball and doubling defender. This puts him out of position to
defensive rebound and leaves him short of our rebounding expectations.
     On offense, some BE commentators get upset that he dosen’t post
every single time. I lose my patience often as well, but some of that is a
desire to bang, improvement in a counter move to the rolling hook / turn &
fade and some deference to GO on the block. In addition, the Blazers run
a semi-horrible offense full of high pick and roll/pop, instead of playing
motion or more inside to outside featuring GO or Smooth.
       The final point; youth needs time to grow. We have 3 rookie’s ( + one psuedo)
playing major roles, Blake injured, 3M out all season and no true cohesion
yet. LaMarcus is not a All-Star/premier PF. His game is more finesse than
power, still growing and still we are ahead of last years pace and in 4th
currently. Not every team or player can dominate personal stats like K-Bone,
and I’ll take .489 FG % out of my soft, jump shooting PF at 23-24 years old.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you seem to have me confused with someone criticizing LMA

about his offense. I’m not crazy about his tendency to shoot jumpers instead of posting up and consider it, if not a weakness, at least not a strength. But whatever, I like KG and Garnett and Rasheed and all sorts of other PFs who like the faceup game.

But my comments are pretty much entirely about his help defense. Not posting up. Not defending postups. Help defense.

by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not confused at all . . .

      just saying that Smooth is a secondary player.
We know our defense is the achilles heel of our team,
but LaMarcus is our 2nd best frontcourt defender after
Joel. * See Joel shutting down D. West in last New Orleans
game.
     You just said “his crappy interior defensive play; LMA’s a huge
contributor to our overall bad defense”. I’m not going to argue that
he’s a great help defender, because we don’t have one (well maybe,
Joel), but he is very mobile, fast up the court and our baisc defensive
schemes and system is to blame just as much. Smooth has shown
good ability to double on the perimeter and still be able to get back
to his man, but he has a long way to go. Even BRoy could become a
better defender in the consistancy of his effort and one on one D.
The Blazers switching on pick and roll too often, not rotating well and
inability to stop the ball irritate me to no end, but LaMarcus is one guy
amongst a team of weak or out of position defenders. We have several
who are much worse (Outlaw & Sergio, etc.). I think Smooth and the team
defense will improve with GO’s ability to play goalie. We need an anchor
in the middle to help the other players get better at their part. BRex improving
enough to D up the PG slashers would help as well, but he still hasn’t
grasped the sets and rotations. Only time will tell (Youngest team in the NBA, again).

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think blaming guys who play 15 minutes a game for our poor defense

is scapegoating.

It’s one thing to be the celtics and cringe when big baby comes on the floor, but our starters are the ones giving up big leads.

by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 16, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen much of anything new from LMA this season

Kinda worrisome. More accurate with his jumper and when he puts his mind to it he can play defense better than last year but LMA hasn’t made huge strides this year like many of us hoped.

Still a good player. Just not a star yet.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Feb 16, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LaMarcus

frustrates me. I see somebody with the physical ability to dominate and (unlike Sheed) the mental desire to do so, but an inability to connect the latter to the former. His TS% sucks because he doesn’t draw fouls or take enough close-range shots.

I wouldn’t feel comfortable calling a timeout and saying, “Hey LMA, go get us a basket” — I don’t think he works hard enough to get good shots. I think he’s an underwhelming defensive rebounder. Like Dave said, his mobility on defense draws him away from the basket, true. But rebounding is about desire, more than anything. All the great rebounders straight-up just want the ball more than the other guy: look at Joel, for example. I seldom see LaMarcus showing that, “I’m GONNA go get this rebound” attitude.

He’s producing the same per-minute numbers that he was as a rookie. His stats took a nice jump from his rookie year to his 2nd year, so superficially he looks improved, but all that’s going on is he’s getting more minutes to put up the same production. His numbers haven’t improved from last season to this season.

I’m not questioning LMA’s work ethic. By all accounts, the guy works his butt off when he’s not on the court. What I AM questioning is his understanding of the on-court work ethic that it takes to be great. You have to be willing to work a little bit harder to get that up-and-under 10-foot banker instead of an 18-foot pick and pop. You have to be willing to push your man out of the post before he ever gets the ball, and make him start his post-up from 15 feet instead of 10. You have to be willing to hedge out hard on defense AND fly back to the basket to grab that defensive board.

The difference between LMA being an All-Star and LMA being a nice complimentary piece is him grasping what it takes to be great. I fervently hope he does so.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a reply to you per se

I wonder why everyone is so quick to critisize LMAs shot selection. Typically he will shoot when he is open or work/pass for a better shot if not. Everyone says he should be getting down on the post (which he does pretty regularly to my eyes) or driving to hoop more but I think if he did that it would be Trout all over again. Travis routinely passes up wide open shots to drive into a waiting triple-team and difficult pull up jumper. Keep up the good work LMA

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

by 92wastheyear on Feb 16, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Travis routinely passes up wide open shots"

If Travis were a movie and they were trying to play up the theme of unselfishness, this is the quote from a critic they would take out of context.

"And look at Robin dancin' around Ha Ha Haaaah!

by The Rubberband Man on Feb 16, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

complete the sentence

“Travis routinely passes up wide open shots…to dribble closer to the basket and attempt more difficult, contested leaners off the wrong foot”

Gawd love him though, a lot of those shots still go in.

Trout reminds me of Drexler, back in the day

by two4larue on Feb 16, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect

your opinion, but I don’t think the stats bear it out. Go to Knickerblogger, sort by TS%, and look for LaMarcus in the top 50. Crap, top 100. Umm…top 150?

He’s 150th in the league for that mark. For a power forward, that is abysmal: such luminaries as Larry Hughes, Jamal Crawford, and Hakim Warrick are more efficient point-generators than LaMarcus is. Our deep bench masks a disturbing lack of efficiency from the #2 option on our team.

I’m not saying LaMarcus sucks — clearly, he is a valuable player to the Blazers. But I feel that there can be little argument that he sucks at efficiently scoring points.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 16, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No offense, but saying Lamarcus has good shot selection because

it’s better than Trout’s is like saying Z-Bo is a great teammate because he isn’t Stephon Marbury.

by Royster on Feb 16, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time LMA took a really ...

….ill advised shot??

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

by 92wastheyear on Feb 16, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

every time

he tries a fadeaway against a smaller defender.

I’ll beat this drum until it breaks.

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So he should never ever take a jump shot unless he's facing a guy 7'0" or taller?

Would you give the same advice to Dirk or Garnett?

No. Because it would be, well, stupid.

by raoulduke on Feb 16, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides.....

…the point was that by doing what has been advocated (driving it more, instead of taking open shots), it could, in effect, turn him into Travis Outlaw (shot selection wise). My point is that, just telling him to drive more is not the answer.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

by 92wastheyear on Feb 16, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LaMarcus

doesn’t force shots, I agree with that. His looks come in the flow of the offense and you never see him jacking up a bad shot against a double-team. In fact, I think he takes good shots.

But again, we’re talking about LMA being great and not good. To be great, he needs to take BETTER shots. An 18-foot jumper for LMA is a good shot. A turnaround 10-footer in the lane is a better one. 48% FG from your starting power forward isn’t good. 150th in TS% from your starting power forward is extremely not good. Instead of popping, he should be thinking about rolling. Instead of fading away, he should be thinking about turning into the defender, bumping him off to create separation, and going up with the ball.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 16, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't need to drive more per se.

he needs to get his feet in the paint, establish position, get the ball, and post it up. That little move he has where he crosses the key and puts up sort of a running hook shot is SO much more efficient and reliable than his fadeaway jumpers.

I, for one, don’t have any problem with him taking open jumpers. It’s the fadeaway ones with a smaller man on him that kill me. I feel the same way about Oden’s weird fadeaway/fallaway shots. Fadeaway are hard to hit, they don’t generate fouls, and in LMA’s case, they almost always mark a lack of aggression and willingness to use his size to his advantage.

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re

“That little move he has where he crosses the key and puts up sort of a running hook shot is SO much more efficient….”

Which he takes and makes several times a game. Part of what makes it effective is that he also takes and makes the jumper, as well as the fade away (I just watched Dirk make about 5 of those is yesterday’s all star game….it can be a nearly unstoppable shot). The mix of those shots is what makes them effective. If he chose one of them exclusively it would be shut down in short order.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

by 92wastheyear on Feb 16, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

of course you're right...

but good defense isn’t about stopping a guy, it’s about forcing a guy to take the shot that you want him to take. And that shot, for LMA, ESPECIALLY against a smaller defender, is that 15 foot fadeaway.

Now, if he were taking that as a third option because he was really getting shut down and they were overplaying the post move or the drive, that would be one thing. But he goes to it has his first option way too much. Way too much.

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PS -

if LMA could shoot like Nowitzki, that’d be a different story. Defenses try to take that shot away from the big German because he’s so good at it – with Dirk, you want him to put the ball on the floor. With LMA, you don’t want him to put the ball on the floor.

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So he has to take a bunch of inefficient shots to get his 3 or 4 efficient shots per game?

That’s a bad sign, any way you slice it. If he has to take the jumper in order to set up his post up, then his post up isn’t as efficient as we like to think it is.

Jumpers are always more inefficient than layups or inside shots, no matter what the guy, but as lickety says with Dirk, they’re less inefficient for some guys, and so it makes more sense for a guy like Dirk to take more of them to set up a more efficient game because he can be relatively efficient while he’s shooting them. Right now, Lamarcus isn’t.

And the fact that Dirk makes them, doesn’t make it a good shot for someone else. After his first comeback MJ was almost automatic with turnaround fadeaways from 18 feet. I don’t think anyone else has ever shot more than 35% on those. MJ doing it doesn’t make it an efficient shot for anyone else.

by Royster on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he takes very low percentage shots

and makes a decent percentage of them. But he is not an efficient offensive player.

by Blazin' on Feb 16, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"rebounding is about desire, more than anything"

LMA is the 12th best offensive rebounder in the league. Offensive boards are about desire. Defensive rebounds are about just sitting in the paint and boxing out. We are the second best rebounding team in the NBA. You cannot say LMA’s lack of defensive rebound statistics are hurting this team.

Karma

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 16, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not certain

by what metric you call LaMarcus the 12th-best offensive rebounder in the league (likely the number of offensive rebounds grabbed? 82games.com has him at 13th, but they could be off by a place). If so, aggregate offensive rebounds is a poor measuring stick, in my opinion — it doesn’t account for differences in playing time. For example, it would be silly to argue that LMA is a better offensive rebounder than Oden just because the former has grabbed more offensive boards this year than the latter.

I much prefer offensive rebound rate because it takes into account the player’s impact during the time he spends on the floor. By that metric, 82games.com has LMA at 31st in the league; Hollinger must calculate his ORR stats a little bit differently, because LMA doesn’t even crack his top 50. I think it’s fair to say that LaMarcus is a good, but not great, offensive rebounder.

We ARE the second-best rebounding team in the NBA, that’s true. But that’s primarily because Greg’s a monster on the offensive glass and Joel is one of the best rebounders in the league, period. Thanks to those two, we crush people on the glass. LMA’s overall rebound rate is pedestrian. Admittedly, playing with two vacuums on the boards impacts his stats, but the numbers are what they are, and they’re augmented by my personal observation.

I LIKE LaMarcus. I think he’s a great fit alongside the beast that Greg will eventually become. The point of my post was not that LaMarcus sucks or that he’s hurting the team — those things are demonstrably not true — but rather that if he wants to be considered great instead of good, he needs to improve various elements of his game. That includes rebounding.

by BlazersOrBust on Feb 16, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure S4E is looking at total offensive boards.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_leaders.html

It’s probably better and more accurate to look at offensive rebound pct instead of total offensive rebounds, since S4E’s main point is about how good a team we are in general, and that relies on a rebound rate/pct rather than total rebs.

But whatever, it’s a pretty minor point. A more major point might be, any offensive rebound you give up because you’re not doing your job on the boards hurts. Any time Nate tells our guards they have to start crashing the boards because we’ve given up a couple of boards means they can’t get out on the break.

LMA does contribute on the boards, but he seems to only contribute in ways that helps him get points and lets him like yell or whatever while he’s dunking. Which is pretty much my basic criticism of LMA – he’s a one way guy who our fanbase mistakenly believes to be a two way player. He’s Antawn Jamison in Rasheed’s body.

by howlingfantods on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree: Defensive rebounding is about technique and desire; offensive rebounds are random events when you speak of the bigs (although the 1-2-3's who gather them have to WANT them...)

Sabas:

LMA is the 12th best offensive rebounder in the league. Offensive boards are about desire. Defensive rebounds are about just sitting in the paint and boxing out. We are the second best rebounding team in the NBA. You cannot say LMA’s lack of defensive rebound statistics are hurting this team.

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by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh but they have

i have seen time and again in critical fourth quarter possessions, LMA spacing out on the defensive boards. Watch: when we are getting hurt on the boards, it is invariably the PF.

by Blazin' on Feb 16, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PF rebounding

When Aldridge is playing PF, the opposing PFs only average 7.7 rebounds per 48 minutes. That is an extremely low rebounding rate for the PF position. Aldridge himself gets 8.9 rebounds per 48, or 1.2 more than his counterpart on the other team.

by trk on Feb 16, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All of the big 3 lack the "Nasty factor".

Now that may bit a bot unfair at this stage of their careers, but to get to the next level they’ll need it, and I’m sure K.P. knows it as well. That nasty could come from a bench player ( Reggie Evans ) for example, or a starter ( Raja Bell ) but the Blazers are seen around the N.B.A. as being a bunch of nice guys who can be pushed around, and they need to shed that label before it’s too late.

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Feb 16, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

when will it be too late?

I agree – I just wonder what the time table is.

And I don’t think it’s fair to ask BRoy to be the guy who leads the Blazers this way. He’s such a nice guy, and that’s so good for our team. He can be the guy to calm guys down, tell them to stop playing the refs, remind them that we can win games in the fourth quarter. Someone else needs to be the “foul him hard! don’t let him get away with that!” guy. Joel seems to be stepping into that role somewhat, and I think in maybe 4-5 years that could be Jerryd, but is that too late?

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

which is why

it would be “nice” to flip Frye/Diogu for a nasty backup 4 this week, someone who can compliment LMA by bringing the beast to the paint when #12 needs a blow

I still like Chris Wilcox for the job, at least through this postseason

by two4larue on Feb 16, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oden - is he being handled correctly?

Nate wants Oden to focus on defense and let the offense develop. Sounds fair, but I think just the opposite would be more effective. If you focus on defense then fouls are sure to happen because the Center position is the most difficult to learn good defense. You are the last line of defense and almost always in the middle of the action.

I would have Oden focus on the offensive end and gradually learn to be an effective defensive player. The goal is to get experience and parking your rear-end on the bench is not helping. If our guards can’t keep their man from getting into the paint, don’t make Greg the fall guy.

Greg has the ability to make the opponent adjust to his game. What the Blazers need to do is take more advantage of that and make sure he gets enough touches.

by ralphzillo on Feb 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Next year

you will probably see more of what you want to see.

When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.

by jscot on Feb 16, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How many have . . . ?

      coached young men of this age ? Not to seem
better than thou, but I have coached HS & college
aged players. BRoy is one of the most mature &
humble guys for a 24 year old you will see. Vocal
leadership is a hard thing for guys like him, as they
prefer to defer; instead choosing to lead on the court
and quietly in the locker room. I’ve always believed the
vocal leader of a “TEAM” is the coach. After all he is the
director. He and his staff set up the sets, allocate the
playing time, educate and teach the game, as well as
motivate or correct with constructive criticism or praise.
     Hang in there Blazer fans, we are still the youngest team
in the NBA. All these issues and we still have the 4th position
in the West. Let’s encourage and root for the constant improvement
of our team and Blake & 3M’s return !
     P.S. – GO to be healthy and continue to improve !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

exactly

Clyde was like that. You never saw him yelling at guys.

But we didn’t get to the next level until we added Jerome and Buck. Jerome was Mr. Hustle, and pulled that out of everybody. Buck was Mr. “Not in my house,” and pulled that out of everybody.

by LicketyBrindle on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clyde would give team mates "that look"

Drexler was an easy-going Texan (like Aldridge?) but he obviously had a very competitive nature

Clyde also scored 2nd best (among athletes tested) in the history of the “Wunderlich” test (1st place went to Roger Staubach, according to Halberstam’s “Breaks of the Game”)

Ainge told the story of Drexler giving him “that look” when danny missed a wide-open 3. When asked about it, Clyde laughed and said “what look?” But that was Clyde, always self-depreciating

No doubt Buck Williams raised the Blazers’ toughness quotient when he was acquired. But Jerome was around from the beginning (mid-80s) almost as long as Drexler. I’d put Terry Porter at the top of the list of “team leaders” from that era. TP was vocal, and he always took the ball hard to the hole when the team needed points

by two4larue on Feb 16, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When "Lunchpail Buck" came . . .

      the whole dynamic of the team changed. He brought a
veteran defensive/rebounding element to the team that
had such a focus, the other guys fed off his example. It was
so great, in that we hadn’t had that kind of player since Calvin
Natt had been traded. It didn’t hurt that Buck could run the floor
and finish either.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Halberstam is wrong.

Can’t remember the guys name, but one football player scored a perfect 50. It wasn’t Staubach, I remember that much.

by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"M"

I can’t believe you would actually do this to the man.

“M”!

Give the man his "M"!!!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 16, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

what is "M"?

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The sig needs to be clearer IMO.

He’s saying that Dave needs to type “LaMarcus” rather than “Lamarcus.”

by poster on Feb 16, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh gotcha

Thanks – Elgin

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 17, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aldridge's improvement

A superficial look at Aldridge’s stats may make it seem like he hasn’t improved this year. His scoring and rebounding are down slightly from last year, and his shooting percentages are about the same. However, the reason why his scoring is down is because of having to share the ball with more scorers this year, and his rebounding is down due to playing with Greg Oden. His shooting percentages have stayed about the same, but that is already a sign of improvement considering that he is being forced to take more difficult shots (less of his shots are assisted and more of them are coming at the end of the shot clock).

One clear area of improvement for LaMarcus this year is ball handling. Even though he has had to create his own shot more often this year, hit ball handling turnovers have decreased significantly. LaMarcus’s passing has also shown improvement, and his A/TO ratio has shown rapid improvement from around .5 as a rookie to just under 1 last year to 1.3 so far this year. LMA has also shown signs of increasing his range to include being able to hit the corner 3. So far this year he has hit 3 times as many 3-pointers as he did all of last year for a grand total of… 3. That might seem insignificant, and at this point the 3-point shot isn’t reliable enough to be considered a real weapon for Aldridge, but I think it is just a matter of time. It is a pretty safe bet that he will be able to make that shot reliably in a few years, and it would be a significant addition to his arsenal even if he doesn’t take a lot of them (because it would allow him to be a better decoy and force his defender away from the basket).

While Aldridge’s shooting percentages have stayed pretty level, he has actually gotten significantly more efficient on offense. Last year Aldridge had an offensive rating(which takes into account assists and turnovers in addition to shooting efficiency) of 108. This year he has an offensive rating of 114. He also already has a higher offensive win score so far this year than he had for his entire sophomore season. While his growth hasn’t been as rapid as many people hoped, there are still clear signs of progress being made.

by trk on Feb 16, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think LMA, in general, has somewhat improved this year...

There have been games when he hasn’t shown up (a la Sheed). And he gets in trouble when he starts hoisting jumpers instead of getting low. But still, in a world where there is only one Chris Bosh and You Can’t Have Him, LMA isn’t a bad second choice. He needs coaching and to have a little bit of Pryzzy’s strength and technique and desire and attitude to rub off on him… But there’s still hope, he’s still a kid…

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by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but . . .

       it would seem that the improvement on defense has slowed.
I thought he would be averaging more blocks and steals, as his
defensive strengths are his mobility on the perimeter and off the
ball. I think it’s the instability of adding so many rookies to an already
young team. When Smooth has to cover for others or not be able to focus on
his man, he drifts mentally. This allows guys to get to the basket and it’s
very frustrating. He needs to get stronger (core,shoulders & hands), ramp
up his desire to bang and study the fundamentals of defensive movement.
Improvement from GO, some different schemes and major uptick in P&R
D would help a lot as well ! I recommend watching Hoosiers one a day for
eternity !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Feb 16, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one ever talks about Roy's game, because Roy is Roy.

Have you noticed that?

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by timbo on Feb 16, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I rec'd ya

Mr Tim

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- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

by 92wastheyear on Feb 16, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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