Trade Drawer Monday 02/16/09: 3 days left countdown edition! Rec to discuss trades!
by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:21 AM PST
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Portland
In:
Tayshaun Prince
Richard Hamilton
Out:
RLEC
Rudy Fernandez
Sergio Rodriguez
Travis Outlaw
Phoenix:
In:
RLEC
Rudy Fernandez
Sergio Rodriguez
Jason Maxiell
Out:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa
Detroit
In:
Amare Stoudamire
Leandro Barbosa
Travis Outlaw
Out:
Tayshaun Prince
Jason Maxiell
Richard Hamilton
Each team gets something from the trade.
Detroit gets younger and has a core of Stuckey, Amare, Barbosa and Outlaw to build around.
Phoenix gets tons of cap relief a positional replacement and lots of cheap young talent in Rodriguez, Fernandez and Maxiell.
Portland gets the final piece of the puzzle in Prince a replacement for Rudy off the bench in R. Hamilton. The veteran and playoff experience we need and consolidates the Point guard position. Well what do you think? Post your ideas for trades below!
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Stupid Trade...Is the new First!!!
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 16, 2009 12:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol, nice.
Seriously think it’s a bad trade? If so why?
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would do it.
I’m not sure the Suns get enough out of it though.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suns
were reportedly willing to do a trade for basically Tyrus Thomas half as much cap relief and spare parts. This is a HUGE upgrade for Phoenix over previously proposed trades they sounded receptive to. The question is does Dumars do it?
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but you still have the Suns giving up Leandro Barbosa. He’s having a quite year but he still has a PER of 18.4 which is the same as Joe Johnson and better than:
Tracy McGrady
Ray Allen
Mo WIlliams
Richard Hamilton
Allen Iverson
Ben Gordon
Rudy Fernandez
Mike Bibby
Jason Kidd
Derrik Rose
TJ Ford
Josh Howard
Rodney Stuckey
Rudy Gay
Corey Maggette
David West
Josh Smith
Lamar Odom
He is terribly underrated and the Suns have said they won’t give him up.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm ok
I thought they were in cost cutting mode and that might sway them. You can take out the Rip and Barbosa parts of the deal but that makes trading rudy that much more painful. Without Rudy I’m not sure Phoenix does it, and then the whole deal falls apart. Barbosa might be the weak link.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Players completely expendable before Rudy...
I’d rather get rid of all these guys before I got rid of Rudy…
Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, Steve Blake, Channing Frye, Ike Diogu, Petteri Koponen, 3 2nd Round Picks
Feel free to spread the wealth around to give us the 1 or 2 players we target. We don’t have to give up our 9 keepers to get the last piece or two. Its a luxury I would say no other team has ever had.
(The 9 Keepers: Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Rudy, Batum, Bayless, Webster, Przybilla, Freeland)
Positional Needs after the Keeper 9: PG (Defense, 3PT Shot), SF (Defense, 3PT Shot), PF (Rebounding, Energy, Post Skill) – One of these can be had with our first round pick.
by as11osu on Feb 16, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Freeland?
Also do you really think we can just draft the remaining pieces? It seems that all three of those needs you described are somewhat rare and valuable niche roleplayers.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with 8 of your 9
and I’m a maybe about Freeland.
Martell, I firmly believe is a piece of the puzzle long-term and I believe with him and Batum, you have the 3-pt. shooting SF that has the defense (and maybe a lot more in each of their cases).
The SF position on the Blazers is perhaps the position with most uncertainty, but it also might be on the strongest in terms of potential. In my opinion, Webster or Batum could both end up being very, very good NBA SFs with all the necessary tools needed for this particular Blazers team.
Przybilla is definitely one of the 9 now, but once Greg gets consistent and gets it going Joel will be much more expendable.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Feb 16, 2009 2:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could hit "edit" on these posts.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Feb 16, 2009 2:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have yet to see if Webster is or will be progressing
I don’t want to hold up the hopes that Martell is the answer at 3. I want to see him play tough D for at least 2 months before I believe that he is a “keeper” Right now I see his value as high as Outlaws. Better potential D, but Trout HAS improved his 3point shooting this year.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are essentially
trading Barbosa for Rudy and Sergio and to make happen the Maxiell and RLEC part of the trades. I think all three teams are giving up good players but that’s the way a good trade should work. I don’t think this trade hoses phoenix by any means and is significantly better then other trades I saw them offered. I agree that Barbosa could be a sticking point.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry maybe I should have said...Unintelligent, Inane, Half-Witted...
Points To Follow :
1. Why give up on Rudy? – Yes his mid-range jumpers are lower than 3/4th of the leagues and yes he is more flamboyent than Borat at times but….He is on a rookie contract and we have him cheap for 4 years! Rip is past his prime and how many Championships does Rip have : 1. How many does Manu have? 3! Now Im not saying that Rudy is Manu. But his rookie number are better than Manu’s.
2. Yes, we all want Tayshaun! But at the price of Rudy for Rip. No Way! Why you may ask. Ok…Refer to Number 1.
3. Revenue – Rudy gets the ladies and butts in seats. Once the team grows and the an base Nationwide grows. Free Agents will flock to us because their contracts wont matter. Do you really think KG went to Boston for a Championship? Yes but also because he knew that he would also get a fat paycheck and revenue far exceeding that by endorsements from a world reknowned face of the league…I.E. a Name – The Boston Celtics.
4. Without Rudy and Rip involved I do this trade.
5. This trade as is may bring us 1 or 2 Championships…KP is going for a dynasty and this trade isnt that.
6. Be Patient and trust in KP.
7. Brandon Roy! Rip would waste away on the bench and although it might be nice to see him there in a Blazers uni…Caron Butler on the floor would look a lot nicer.
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 16, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
thanks for the positive feedback. I won’t respond in kind but I think you have the homer goggles on pretty tight regarding Rudy. We’re talking about Tayshaun Prince here! Rip is the price we pay along with RLEC and Rudy to net Prince. Rip isn’t a slug by any means and can help us now while our young guys develop.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People love to overvalue Rudy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not overvaluing Rudy....
Im undervaluing Rip on this Team. Tayshaun = Great on Blazers. Rip " The Mask " Hamilton = Great on Cavs
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 16, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
how about this variant that doesn’t bring Senor mask to the team?
Since we aren’t adding Rip we better hope Martell gets healthy and can back up Roy at SG. I suppose you could have Bayless play some SG as well…
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your first one better
we are still losing Outlaw and Rudy, not to mention Sergio and RLEC… offense for defense. I think the idea is right, but trading way too much for one defensive player.
I don’t know much about Acker, is he worth it? As it is, we would have Bayless and Roy running point. Until Blake is back, I don’t really want to go thinner at Point.
I do like the idea of bringing in Prince, I just don’t know if he is worth losing so many chips. We have a strong pool to trade with and if all the articles are even remotely close to accurate, the financial benefit of RLEC for an ailing owner should gives us more leverage.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one would know more about overvaluing certain players more than you
I like that thing you did with Leandro Barbosa… I’ll feel free to use that in the future.
by as11osu on Feb 16, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take it easy man.
I think you might need a break from Blazers Edge. The stress is getting to you.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't make me rec this 50 times..
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're saying people overvalue Rudy
who is easily the 3rd best player on this team in his rookie season. I mean, in general if you say people overvalue Blazer players, that’s fine, but it just makes zero sense the way you point out Rudy here.
by as11osu on Feb 16, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Rudy is the third best player on the team.
If Rudy wasn’t a likable Caucasian he wouldn’t be half as popular. Same goes for Blake, Pryzbilla, and Sergio.
The truth hurts.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
Yeah, I think Hinrich has been overvalued in the past. Just look at his contract. Historically fans have been in love with white point guards and I think Hinrich’s contract reflects that. Luke Ridnour got more all star votes than Derrick Rose, Jameer Nelson, or Brandon Roy. I dare say that had little to do with his basketball playing abilities.
I value Hinrich because of his defensive skills not his skin color. This team is severely lacking in the defense department and I would be willing to overpay for the only PG available who is both an above average defender and shooter. It’s all about supply and demand.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 16, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Race, race, race
Get a new line Nick. Rudy is popular because he plays an extremely fun style of game. Notice how popular Bayless is despite doing nothing to actually prove himself as a consistent player yet? Bayless isn’t white, but he also plays a fun style of game, hence his popularity. Also, Sergio gets more hate on BE than anyone outside of maybe Outlaw. Sergio is white so this clearly shouldn’t be happeneing, should it?
Luke Ridnour got more All-Star votes than those guys because he plays for the Bucks. Bucks/Rockets plays get more ASG votes thanks to Yao and Yi. This has been discussed many times.
You seriously make NO legitimate arguments for your race issues so quit complaining about it. Next time you go to a Blazer game look at the jerseys. Roy/Oden/LA have everyone else completely crushed, and weird… they’re all black.
by Zaig on Feb 16, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if I have offended.
This is obviously a very sensitive issue to you so feel free to ignore it.
Luke Ridnour got a lot of all star votes because he is a likable white guy. Being on Bucks certainly helped. Yi Jianlin gets all star votes because he is a likable Chinese guy. Right or wrong that’s just the way it works.
Race doesn’t trump talent in professional basketball. Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were both going to be popular regardless, but it certainly makes an impact. How else do you explain Brian Scalabrini getting cheered every time he touches the ball? Does that have anything to do with his vast amount of basketball skills?
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just stumbled upon this gem.
I was starting to feel crazy, but now I can rest assured that my opinion is perfectly sane.
Of course race is a part of it
People root for the white players more, often just subconsciously. Maybe it’s an underdog thing, a ‘attach yourself to whoever looks like you’ thing, but I don’t think it’s outright racism. If Sergio was a black PG from Marquette or Syracuse, I doubt he gets this much attention. And he gets a LOT of attention for being a backup PG who isn’t very good in his 3rd year. More than any other 3rd year PG who is a backup and has put up the quality of work he has put up, EVER (I ran the numbers). I think people WANT Sergio to be good for reasons other than his game sometimes, yes. I do. And I link those things to his race, and Spanishness-Mortimer
Rudy is a thousand times more talented than Sergio. That still doesn’t mean he’s not overrated by the Blazer fan base. That’s just my humble opinion.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Nick!
It’s so UN-PC to call out something most of us have known for a long time. That is that white players tend to have more fans then their talent would otherwise allow. This isn’t racism it’s sub-concious.
They have found that actually discrimination (no racisim) that is a differing reaction to people who look different from yourself is something that is hardwired into our brain. That’s why education is so important to make this world more livable. We’re no longer in cave man days where the “Other” was a potential threat to steal our babies, kill our men etc. etc. Now the danger is can we all live peacefully when we are so different looking and acting (culturally).
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by Idog1976 on Feb 17, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't care less about being PC.
I never said anyone was a racist. I was just pointing out that Fernandez is overvalued here at Blazers Edge and part of that has to do with the fact that he is a very likable white guy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya on the white stuff in general
BUT, I think Rudy is just as overvalued as most any other rookie. Not that being white and exotic hurts him, but most of us can see he’s going to be a really good player in not too long, and right now he fills a role we need— 2nd unit shooter, playmaker, showstopper.
I know he was a pro in Europe, but I don’t think that matters as much as some think. He’s still going from being the athletic Kobe of Europe, to a guy who is some nights the least athletic on the court. It’s a big adjustment. PLUS, he still has a long ways to go on developing his body, and he’s only 23.
Ya don’t just trade a guy as effective as he is now, is only 23, is only a rookie, and will get a lot stronger and more savvy.
A guy like Rudy, with his brains and all-round skills, wins playoff series for ya.
Him being good and white might make people go overboard in his trade value, but I personally wouldn’t trade him for anyone who is realistically available, and I hate white people more than anything.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 17, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
White people are the worst.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish they'd quit already
It’s like, ok, we get it. Now c’mon, drop it.
But they just don’t listen. (shrugs).
What can ya do?
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 17, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's stupid, but I really want to hold the trigger on Rudy
I am a fan of Outlaw as well, but we know what he can do…. score a ton of points late in a game. I’m quite alright with that, but if our defense was significantly altered I would be willing to sacrifice that, (although in the playoffs with 7secs to go down by 1, I would love having to clutch shooters on our roster)
With Rudy though, I feel like he came in and has been relegated to spot up shooter. Our offense has not been set up to effectively use him, plus the adjustment to the “marathon” league of the NBA. I can see a high ceiling for his development, especially if he were to train with an assistant that develops his ball-handling. He has great BBIQ, he is young, he is athletic (but more than that, I feel like he knows when to exploit defenses.)
I like Sergio as well and feel as though he has made great strides from last year and I feel that he will continue to improve. He seems to have developed the desire to improve his game.
trading three young players plus RLEC seems a lot for Rip and Tayshaun. I want Prince on the team, could take or leave Hamilton… just feels like a lot of sacrifice on offense for one great defensive player.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing analysis
Maybe stupid stands for something intelligent and it’s not just your standard knee-jerk, mall hang out response. Acronym….yeah…it’s an acronym. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume stupid is an acronym for something insightful. Instead of a middle-school or gasoline-huffers response to a question.
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 16, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As an acronym it could be :
Stop Trades! Useless! Inane! Defense! …. lol
by TheOdenator52 on Feb 16, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
STUID?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pointless?
To complete the block.
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 16, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
RealGm just had a little blurb now saying that two GMs say a deal with Chicago for Amare is unlikely, and Chicago may be looking for Kaman or Camby…
If Chicago backs out, where does Phoenix go?
by TimG on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Right into
Pritchards open arms. There, there Kerr come to papa KP…
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...papa kp
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
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by lanepete on Feb 16, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be great for chi town
aaron grey isn’t cutting it
by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
works for everyone
but i think only PHX is willing to revamp their roster.
how would hamilton fit in with the blazers?
by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 12:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he would fit in very well...
I just dont see him coming off the bench.
by TimG on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at some point
he is going to come off the bench for a team. If he does it in Portland he has a chance at more titles. He could also get some time when Roy is at PG or SF. I think Rip would be fantastic as a bench player if he would accept the role. Talk about a sparkplug off the bench! And veteran leadership for our bench as well.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't have that sort of confidence in Rip.
The year they won the championship, I really liked his style of play. It matched so well with a defensive powerhouse, but since then… he seems very inconsistent in his performance. Also, he was in the spotlight as the star of that team. I don’t believe he’s willing to be relegated to a role player position.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's coming off the bench right now in DET
by Jiggamant on Feb 16, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Duh
I forgot that but you are absolutely right. If he comes off the bench now in DET he would obviously be willing to do it in Ptown where he would have a leadership role as a veteran.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's coming off the bench
but his willingness to do so is up in the air.
then again, i’ve never heard of him being a distraction
by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 1:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the day...
When I was a Blazers courtside server, a few years back in the ZBO era, Portland v. Detroit, I was walking up the sideline when a loose ball popped out and ended up careening towards one of the other servers who had her back to the court while she was serving some beverages… Several players rushed towards the ball and the ball ended up getting spiked off her, onto her drinks, spilling them and her cash all over the floor.
I was about 10-15 feet behind the play walking towards it (I saw the ball was going out of bounds ahead of me and I knew I’d be out of the play), when Rip Hamilton comes walking towards me. He kneels down, picks up a dollar bill and shoves it into his shorts. I’m passing by right next to him at that point, Rip sees me, shoots me a big smile, winks, and then walks back onto the floor. Hilarious.
True story, one of my best memories of working courtside for several seasons.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Feb 16, 2009 3:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait he stole from the girl?
what a jerk! I don’t think thats funny at all.
Being a Blazer fan is fun!
by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 16, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He totally did
Rip stole $1 from a poor teacher/server. It was a funny situation but, yeah, kind of a dick move.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Feb 16, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we can't trade for him then
Imagine how much money PA leaves around everywhere he goes, Rip will make him go bankrupt!
That is a jerk move though. He ripped off some lady for a (to him) next-to-meaningless dollar.
Even Roy wouldn’t do that to Rudy, and they are mortal enemies.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 16, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do you really feel this is the case?
I have been hearing more and more in regards to Roy and Rudy.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then you have been reading morons on here
who are just stirring the pot. Mortimer is blatently kidding
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely do not think Roy and Rudy dislike each other at all
I was just kidding, as the great GreatOden’sRaven says.
Anyone who ACTUALLY believes they don’t like each other, based upon anything we have ever seen, is making it up in their head and they likely have a mental disorder.
Or, they themselves are such petty, jealous people of those around them that they can only imagine someone else has to be the same way— even when Roy/Rudy have no reason to be jealous of each other.
No one REALLY thinks they have a problem with the other. It’s just a running joke, for funsies, to make fun of those who are mentally ill and think it is true.
Because it’s fun to make fun of the mentally ill!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 17, 2009 5:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As per the trade above
I think it’s reasonable, but I think it changes too much on our team. If there were a way to keep Rudy, and not take Hamilton, I would do it. In a milisecond, RLEC and any combination of travis, Blake, Sergio or Frye.
by TimG on Feb 16, 2009 12:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't see
Phoenix doing it unless we throw in Rudy or Bayless and for me Bayless > Rudy for positional/upside reasons.
But here is another version meeting your requirements. Not sure it’s enough for Phoenix…
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and
rudy plays the same position as the roybot
by northwestj on Feb 16, 2009 5:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Could we..
at least unrec the first drawer?
I hate to sound like a curmudgeon, but two trade drawers plus a junk drawer means only two “real” posts get the seat of honor.
In any case, rec.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I asked for the other to get unreced. It’s too cluttered now.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The other one is 3 posts away from going anywhere.
I will save my rec until I see the other one gone. No need to jump the gun and throw yours up, even if you do ask for the other one to be unreced. What you’re really doing is proposing your trade in it’s own post, but being a ‘good guy’ by starting a new junk trade post. throw it in the other one or wait until that one is on it’s last legs before you start a new one please.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
by einman77 on Feb 16, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok fair point
Don’t rec this one til the other one drops.
I also wanted to not have to scroll past 200 posts to get to the new stuff and it was taking awhile to load on my lap top. Even with Z the scrolling was slow. And yes this Trade is the best I’ve come up with all week I think it really works all around so you called me on it and you are right. :)
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 1:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a bad trade
I like your honesty. Obviously if there are 200 posts in the other one, it’s working. I’m glad I have my sidebar set to 50 posts, I just saw the valentines day post that got knocked off by the necessity of these trade posts. But hey, ’tis the season. Anyway, I can understand having something up your sleeve that you want to share, so I hold no judgment. I still save my rec for the appropriate time.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
by einman77 on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Valentines..
was 24 HOURS AGO!!!!! YOU’RE LIVING IN THE PAST, MAN!!!!!!!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I went skiing this weekend
Had to catch up on my BE readings.
I like whatever metric makes a Blazer look better.
by einman77 on Feb 16, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on what offers PHX gets for Amar'e
How do you guys feel about this trade?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ahxnk6
Us and Bullets do it in a second I would guess (All-Star, salary dump) but Suns get jobbed pretty hard. Maybe throw in Rudy instead of Trout?
by AndrewD on Feb 16, 2009 1:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be a positional problem for washington
if you swapped out Butler for Jamison, I think you have a deal (at least for Washington) The Wiz already have a big guy who can score a ton of points and not play D. I don’t like Jamison, but he can score at will and with his deep shot he really opens it up for Caron. I think Washington would need cash considerations and/or an expiring contract to sweeten the deal.
by Oggbog on Feb 16, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best Trade Ever
Now hear me out. Most fans in this fanpost only care about trades and free agency. I don’t think they really care about the team. My trade maximized everything those fans love. Also, it will make Portland so crappy that Portland will definitely be in the lottery which will really maximize those fans enjoyment.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5yczt
If we do my trade, Portland will have nothing but expiring contracts and can get any free agent they want this summer after picking high in the draft.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 2:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's like..
a thousand RLECs, dancing before my eyes a la the sugar plum fairies of my childhood wishes.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't..
rec this any more than once, but the other’s gone off, so get reccin’ while the reccin’s good.
?!!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a tooth made from Nazi gold than rec a trade thread
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that good?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nazi's are bad, and I think their gold is bad.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 2:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that to say..
gold made by Nazis or gold claimed by Nazis? I think there’s a pretty appreciable difference.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 16, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nazis never made gold
Processes of the Earth did.
"Male sperm swim harder than female sperm."
by BlazerD on Feb 16, 2009 3:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically...
Gold is a waste product of fusion from Type I Blue Giant stars, whose cataclysmic death via supernova billions of years ago distributed matter in such a way that solar systems would form around Type II stars. In that sense, Earth’s responsibility is more of a storage and distribution thing than production.
by conspirator5 on Feb 16, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Got a link
for that?
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go
http://outreach.atnf.csiro.au/education/senior/astrophysics/stellarevolution_deathhigh.html
During the final destruction of the star in a supernova explosion, a high flux of neutrons is released as iron nuclei are ripped apart. These neutrons can be captured by many of the heavy nuclei to produce other nuclei in a method known as the r-process (r for rapid). The high number of neutrons available in these few seconds can be captured by unstable nuclei before the nuclei have had a chance to decay. In this way nuclei of elements such as lead, gold and all the way up to uranium can be synthesised. The gold in jewellery here on Earth was in fact formed during the fiery last seconds of a massive star. The destructive event not only creates new elements but provides the mechanism by which they are dispersed into space.
Only on BE
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Feb 16, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
you rock G_Dubs!
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by Idog1976 on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I try. Thanks :-).
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Feb 17, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we continue this conversation, we'll make someone mad
Any gold associated with the Nazis is bad because of the way they went about acquiring it and they are Nazis.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 3:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but wouldnt it be good again
if you stole it FROM the nazis to make your tooth? two wrongs make a right you know
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 16, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would taste all war-crimey
Food would never taste good again with a tooth made of Nazi gold.
Plus, somehow, perhaps subconsciously, Walter Hermann would become your favorite player.
Morty
by Mortimer on Feb 17, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
idog my man
bottom line is the franchise"b.roy"needs some hardcore ballers to help him get to the next level.no offense to the rest of the guys on the team,except ofr rudy*bayless*pryz the rest of the roster is too damn soft.he needs some real ballers,guys he can getto the next level woth and win with.
by fatty on Feb 16, 2009 5:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Buzz
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090216
A lot of Jefferson to Porltand Talk.
Butler not likely to be traded.
Some chance of Vince being traded.
by PoliSam on Feb 16, 2009 7:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Drag speaks truth
Another day, another buzzer-beater. This man is so clutch he sets his body clock to go off one second before his alarm does every morning.
by Illmatic88 on Feb 16, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This made me think of something
It’s like a countdown to sanity, which would be the opposite of the Mayan Calendar countdown.
I think the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 because the hype for the NBA trade deadline that year will overwhelm the internet. This in turn will shut down all commerce on the planet. People will be without food, water, and electricity and we turn on each other. This will be the end of life on our planet as we know it.
Basically what I’m trying to say is David Stern = Apocolypse.
If you let them make you, they'll make you into paper mache.
At a distance you're strong until the wind comes, then you'll crumble and blow away.
- Incubus
by ZooooomByU on Feb 16, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we can get harris with stoudemire
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cyvqmg
You really don’t know how any of the SF’s being discussed will work out. Between Batum, Webster and Outlaw, we will be fine. But if we can get a great PG, then we don’t have to wait to see if Sergio makes a leap or if Bayless will get to where we think he might. We will have a squad 10 deep that should compete for the trophy once they grow and learn a bit over the next few years.
1 – Harris, Blake
2 – Roy, Fernandez
3 – Batum, Webster
4 – Aldridge, Outlaw
5 – Oden, Pryzbilla
by bkoregon on Feb 16, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
damn - and i forgot about hill too...
even if he doesn’t play, we get the wise, experienced vet.
1 – Harris, Blake
2 – Roy, Fernandez
3 – Hill, Batum, Webster
4 – Aldridge, Outlaw
5 – Oden, Pryzbilla
by bkoregon on Feb 16, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this for the Blazers
but it doesn’t seem logical for the Nets. Maybe Kiki Vandeweghe is Kevin McHale to our Danny Ainge (making a trade that is crappy for his current team but great for his old team). – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
by 22baylor on Feb 16, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or anybody like this one
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Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -13.5 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and -4.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Ike Diogu
6-8 PF from Arizona State
1.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.0 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
3.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.6 minutes
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
12.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Andray Blatche
6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS)
10.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.4 minutes
Caron Butler
6-7 SF / SG from Connecticut
20.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.4 apg in 38.9 minutes
Portland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +13.5 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and +4.6 apg.
Incoming Players
Andray Blatche
6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS)
10.1 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 23.4 minutes
Caron Butler
6-7 SF / SG from Connecticut
20.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.4 apg in 38.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ike Diogu
6-8 PF from Arizona State
1.2 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 3.0 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 PF from Arizona
3.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.6 minutes
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
12.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.1 apg in 27.5 minutes
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by billyjoejack on Feb 16, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Wiz love Blatche
Use a different player for filler.
by Samuelson on Feb 16, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep this in mind about the Jefferson Trade!:
John Canzano fabricated this trade rumor last week to prove a point about how ridiculous the media coverage of the Trade Deadline. He explicitly said on his show he was going to post a trade rumor that he created on his blog the next day, and the next day he said that a source told him we were in talks to get jefferson and ridnour. He has made casual references about players the Blazers might be looking at, only to be quoted on RealGM and Hoopshype the next day. This just goes to show you the triteness and frivolity of these rumors. With that said, i think the reason the Jefferson Rumor took off is because it seems likely and logical for both teams, we’ll see.
by Jiggamant on Feb 16, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Jefferson has been rumored to the Blazers for a few weeks now, before Canzano mentioned it.
by Cablinasian on Feb 16, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sssh! Ricky Rubio
Check this three-way out.
Except, substitute Sheldon Brown for Sacramento’s #1 pick. ESPN’s trade machine doesn’t let you include draft picks (lame), so I couldn’t verify that that substitution would work. However, their pick should easily be top 5, possibly top 3, and landing Rubio would be amazing. Not to mention we get a high quality SF in the deal.
by MavetheGreat on Feb 16, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd select James Harden over Ricardo Rubio
Harden is the real deal. He will clearly excell in the NBA. Rubio is a soft Euro who might well be an NBA bust.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
by vavoom on Feb 16, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden is a beast
My brother, ASU alumni, obsesses over how good he is. The guy is a top 3 pick. I haven’t seen much of Rubio, but Harden is so versatile, he can play the point and the off-guard.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A new Three way trade
involving Memphis, Portland and Sacramento.
Portland -
Out:
RLEC
Frye
Diogu
Sergio
Outlaw
In:
J. Salmons
Conley Jr.
B. Miller (2010 expiring contract)
Darrell Arthur
Sacramento -
Out:
B. Miller
J. Salmons
In:
Frye
RLEC
Memphis -
Out:
Mike Conley Jr.
Darrel Arthur
In:
Travis Outlaw
Sergio Rodriguez
Ike Diogu
Memphis reportedly covets Outlaw and we reportedly covets M. Conley Jr. They get more young talent and a run and gun PG in Sergio to run with Mayo and Gay. They give up Arthur as well but get Diogu who is also an expiring contract if they so choose. So they get young talent, a player they covet a better fit at PG and some cap relief.
Sacramento gets massive cap relief this year and a PF who can open up the middle for Kevin Martin by drawing out opposing big men with his range.
Portland solves it’s SF problem and brings aboard another PG who might develop into what they are looking for a speedy player who can also bring the D. We also get a decent back up PF. We get a 2010 golden ticket (B. Miller’s EC) to trade during that feeding frenzy and also consolidate our roster.
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by Idog1976 on Feb 16, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sacramento -
Out:
B. Miller
J. Salmons
In:
Frye
RLEC
I doubt they will give up all that to get Frye. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
by 22baylor on Feb 16, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they were discussing frye for salmons straight up
which is beyond silly on their part, but hey whatever
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 16, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful Amare is going anywhere
I live in Phoenix and they have a pretty good afternoon sports show (Gambo & Ash Show on 620 KTAR Sports) They are usually very credible on Suns info and they said repeatedly this afternoon that there are ZERO deals in the works for Amare. It really makes no sense to trade him now that Porter is gone and Gentry will be taking them back to 7 seconds or less with a little more emphasis on D than D’Antoni had. An interesting statisitic…..Porter was brought to both emphasize and re-design the defense. The Suns gave up more points under Porter than they did under D’Antoni.
by PHXBlazerFan on Feb 16, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty sad.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
by Taskmaster on Feb 16, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are pretty upset at J Richardson down here
Got pulled over and arrested for doing 90….yes 90….in a 35 MPH zone. Turns out he had his 3 year old in the back seat UNRESTRAINED, and this is the day before he appears in court on his DUI arrest in Dec.
Suns are a mess!
by PHXBlazerFan on Feb 16, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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